Hi all. My first post. I decided a couple weeks ago I wanted to root my G2x and started lurking here and reading up on the process. I Had Gingerbread installed so used One-Click NvFlasher to flash CWM 4.0.1.5 to my phone and then rooted the phone using a zip found in another thread. It was my first time rooting and I'm happy to say everything went fine.
I was playing around with ROM Manager and also installed CWM using it but decided until I have more time to spend checking out/installing ROMs I'm gonna stick with stock so I uninstalled it.
My questions are: do I now have two versions of CWM on my phone? Which version did ROM Manager install? If I boot into recover which one is loading, the one I installed with NvFlasher or the ROM Manager-installed one? And how do remove the one ROM Manager put there? I'd rather stick with just the one I installed using NvFlasher.
From what I understand, the ROM manager app doesn't really flash CWM on our phones, it fakes it. So, you've only got installed what you did through NVFlash.
dustinscottmiller said:
From what I understand, the ROM manager app doesn't really flash CWM on our phones, it fakes it. So, you've only got installed what you did through NVFlash.
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Yeah, I read about the fake flashing in the NvFlasher thread but didn't know what it meant fully. Seems like it means that you can only boot into the fake flashed one using ROM Manager. Other than that I wasn't sure what the implications of the fake flash were.
There's a clockwork mod folder on my phone's sdcard (internal - I don't use an external one). Is that the fake flash or the NvFlash one? I'd love to delete that folder if it's the ROM Manager one.
The "Clockworkmod" folder on your SD card is where the ROMs are backed up regardless of which version of Clockworkmod you used so don't delete that folder. The difference is when you boot into recovery using power + volume down you use the Clockworkmod Recovery on the phone's recovery partition you flashed with NVFlash. When you "reboot into recovery" using ROM Manager you boot into the so-called "fake flashed" version of Clockwordmod and it is not loaded from the physicial recovery partition on the phone; but from an image kept elsewhere in your phone's NAND memory. Don't worry about those images as leaving them won't harm anything and won't interfer with any OTA udpates if you are on a rooted stock rom. To get rid of it you simply want to uninstall ROM Manager from your device and then delete the "udpate.zip" file you will find in the root of the internal sd card. It is that update.zip that ROM Manager uses to trick recovery into loading the recovery images it stored elsewhere on your device. Now when you want to go into Clockworkmod Recovery just boot into recovery using power + volume down or the Reboot 2X app in the Market (link below). When the app says your device is not supported ignore it and press the back key (do not press the exit button) and then you can use that app to reboot into the real Clockworkmod Recovery without having to hold the buttons on the phone.
https://market.android.com/details?...wsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5tYXhpc21hLmxnbzJ4cmVib290Il0.
Thanks, jboxer. I'd already uninstalled ROM Manager and just now deleted the update.zip. It seems like with CWM already flashed via NvFlasher I can backup my stock ROM and install any other ROM I can download so I don't really need ROM Manager unless I'm looking for something with an interface.
dmj2012 said:
Thanks, jboxer. I'd already uninstalled ROM Manager and just now deleted the update.zip. It seems like with CWM already flashed via NvFlasher I can backup my stock ROM and install any other ROM I can download so I don't really need ROM Manager unless I'm looking for something with an interface.
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You don't want ROM Manager, period, on our phone. It doesn't run recovery from the actual recovery partition and if you are borked you don't have a usable recovery to fix your phone unless you flashed with NV Flash anyway. I also don't like the way ROM Manger "boots" into recovery. It is actually invoking the stock recovery (or whatever recovery you may have flashed with NV Flash) and that then runs the update.zip file on the root of your internal sd. Since stock recovery is set to factory reset your phone when you invoke recovery, I worry that if the upate.zip got messed up you might wind up factory resetting your phone. I tried ROM Manager (which doesn't work until you use NV Flash at least once anyway) and booted from it into recovery once. It was scary enough for me I immediately uninstalled it and got rid of its bogus update.zip.
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You don't want ROM Manager, period, on our phone. It doesn't run recovery from the actual recovery partition and if you are borked you don't have a usable recovery to fix your phone unless you flashed with NV Flash anyway. I also don't like the way ROM Manger "boots" into recovery. It is actually invoking the stock recovery (or whatever recovery you may have flashed with NV Flash) and that then runs the update.zip file on the root of your internal sd. Since stock recovery is set to factory reset your phone when you invoke recovery, I worry that if the upate.zip got messed up you might wind up factory resetting your phone. I tried ROM Manager (which doesn't work until you use NV Flash at least once anyway) and booted from it into recovery once. It was scary enough for me I immediately uninstalled it and got rid of its bogus update.zip.
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Yeah, when I played with ROM Manager I really didn't like it, which is why I uninstalled it after playing around with it for five or ten minutes.
At this point I'm running stock GB on my phone, and I used Titanium Backup to remove the bloat (NOVA demo, T-mobile Mall and TV,) and the phone is running nice and smoothly. I'm a little confused about one thing though: Titanium backup is to backup apps/settings for this ROM, right? Whereas if I want to backup the ROM itself before putting CM7 on my phone I do that by booting into CWM and choosing the backup/restore option. Is my thinking here correct?
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Yeah, when I played with ROM Manager I really didn't like it, which is why I uninstalled it after playing around with it for five or ten minutes.
At this point I'm running stock GB on my phone, and I used Titanium Backup to remove the bloat (NOVA demo, T-mobile Mall and TV,) and the phone is running nice and smoothly. I'm a little confused about one thing though: Titanium backup is to backup apps/settings for this ROM, right? Whereas if I want to backup the ROM itself before putting CM7 on my phone I do that by booting into CWM and choosing the backup/restore option. Is my thinking here correct?
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Yes, but you should not have used Titanium Backup to remove bloat. That defeats one of the purposes of keeping the rom stock. Once the bloat is removed you can not get future OTA updates, if any. They will download but the install will fail as it checks for all original files have remained untouched. There are apps that can freeze bloat and when you get an OTA you unfreeze them so you can apply the OTA update. To backup the ROM you must go into Clockworkmod Recovery. Also I recomment other apps such as Astro for backing up apk files. In my experience, Titanium Backup just makes a mess of everything and usually the restores fail.
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Yes, but you should not have used Titanium Backup to remove bloat. That defeats one of the purposes of keeping the rom stock. Once the bloat is removed you can not get future OTA updates, if any. They will download but the install will fail as it checks for all original files have remained untouched. There are apps that can freeze bloat and when you get an OTA you unfreeze them so you can apply the OTA update. To backup the ROM you must go into Clockworkmod Recovery. Also I recomment other apps such as Astro for backing up apk files. In my experience, Titanium Backup just makes a mess of everything and usually the restores fail.
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My phone's never been able to connect to the servers for an ota update anyway. I'm not sure but maybe this is because I installed Gingerbread using LG's desktop app rather than waiting for t-mobile to push the update to me. In any cas, I am planning to flash a custom rom soon. Been thinking CM7 but that's just because it's the only once I know much about. I'm gonna start researching how to install it.
If I ever want to go back to stock after flashing a custom rom there are stock roms available for download, right?
Also what exactly does freezing an app do? I noticed Titanium can do it but is there another app I should look at for freezing an app?
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Also what exactly does freezing an app do? I noticed Titanium can do it but is there another app I should look at for freezing an app?
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Freezing an app makes it invisible to the system without deleting it. OTA updates requires that no system files have been deleted or changed. You can defrost them at any time and the system can see them again. It is a much preferred method over deleting for many reasons. Titanium Backup uses a different freeze method than other apps, and some other apps can freeze some programs that Titanium Backup cannot freeze, such as Amazon MP3. I use Bloat Freezer and some people I know use App Quarantine. They are free versions of both on the Android Market.
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Also what exactly does freezing an app do? I noticed Titanium can do it but is there another app I should look at for freezing an app?
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Anttek App Manager (free) from the market can freeze anything. Also has a couple of other nice features.
Hey I backed up my original gb before I did anything to the phone so as long as I restore that nandroid I will be fine to get updates right?
ROM Manager works fine even if you NVFlash a recovery.
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Anttek App Manager (free) from the market can freeze anything. Also has a couple of other nice features.
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Thanks man. I love this app. Very useful and a nice, clean layout. Sticking with this for my freezing needs.
dmj2012 said:
Also what exactly does freezing an app do? I noticed Titanium can do it but is there another app I should look at for freezing an app?
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When you freeze an app it acts for all intensive purpose just like it was removed (ROM will not see it, market won't see it, and any apps that rely on it won't see it either) but its still there.
Advantage to removing an app: frees up space
Disadvantage: harder it get it back, can cause problems, fc's
I have found that freezing is the way ta go..
I use mybackup pro from market works great and very easy to navigate
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Can someone direct me to a "how to" install nandroid for the captivate... I downloaded it, but it was on a thread for the G1, so I'm not sure if the procedure is the same for the captivate.
Thanks!
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You need to get clockworkmanager, nandroid is the name for backing up your phone and being able to install that backup. Make sure you check the dev section and read up on the thread for clockworkmanager. You will need to be rooted with busybox and superuser access.
Easyist way is find the one click root on here then root your phone. Then get rom manager off the market and then install it and that will allow you to install clockwork then use rom manager to reboot into recovery then select backup and off you go.
I can tell you its a blessing to have that. Was messing around with trying to get froyo rom on and I had major issues so I just said screw it and restored to jh2 then rooted rom manager then clockwork then nandroid backup was back to my stuff in 10 mins.
Oh and its way worth buying rom manager for the little they charge. Its a great program
Cool, thanks for spelling this out for me... From what I have read before I try anything I need to do a nandroid back up incase something goes wrong so this helps a lot.
Thanks again!
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Glad to finally understand what a freakin nandroid is lol...I have been doing it without knowing that was it!
I'm confused...
My captivate is rooted, and I installed ROM manager, but when I get into recovery, there is no option for backup. Any ideas?
tdheff said:
My captivate is rooted, and I installed ROM manager, but when I get into recovery, there is no option for backup. Any ideas?
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reboot into recovery and select reinstall packages
if it reboots back to the recovery screen again, select reinstall packages again. this time you should be in the green clockwork mod screen. select nandroid from the menu and then select backup
done
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reboot into recovery and select reinstall packages
if it reboots back to the recovery screen again, select reinstall packages again. this time you should be in the green clockwork mod screen. select nandroid from the menu and then select backup
done
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Any way to do a nandroid backup from the clockwork mod on JI6 (froyo) since the recovery screen won't install the unsigned update.zip that ROM manager uses to enable clockwork mod recovery?
m7ia said:
Any way to do a nandroid backup from the clockwork mod on JI6 (froyo) since the recovery screen won't install the unsigned update.zip that ROM manager uses to enable clockwork mod recovery?
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You need to do this. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=804226 just use the version of Odin that you used to install Froyo. This will enable 2e Recovery needed to run ClockworkMod Recovery.
Thanks for that thread, are there any cons to using that kernel? (reading the thread now)
m7ia said:
Thanks for that thread, are there any cons to using that kernel? (reading the thread now)
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None for me so far. I've been running it about 2 weeks now and I have no problems.
Thanks, I'm in the process of flashing it now
The kernel flash is easy, it takes 30 seconds. Enjoy.
Rhiannon224 said:
The kernel flash is easy, it takes 30 seconds. Enjoy.
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Yup, it was just as simple as you said, thanks! Just made a nandroid backup. And clockwork mod's recovery is great
Im sorry if this is a dumb question...Im brand new to Android. What is Nandroid Backup?
I rooted and did the clockwork/rom manager download and then did this:
How to Install ClockWork Recovery:
1. On the menu there should be an option labeled “FLASH CLOCKWORK RECOVERY.”
Press it.
2. Once a popup says that it has been succesful press “BACKUP CURRENT ROM”
3. Your phone will now restart and backup your ROM
4. If your phone does not start backing up and instead boots into a blue menu use the volume
keys to select reboot now and then press the power button. Try to do all the steps again.
5. Wait for it to finish and then it should restart.
Is this different from a Nandroid backup?
Clockwork, nandroid, both refer to rom manager utilities. Clockwork is the recovery function and nandroid the backup utility.
But you need to select reinstall packages at screen with blue text. Clockwork/nandroid will have green text menu.
Swyped.....you may have to interpret
But im doing both the Clockwork/Nandroid with the Rom manager app correct? I did the reinstall packages and then it showed code scrolling and a status bar that took a minute or two... Is that what you mean? Did I do it right?
Yep....that is a nandroid backup
Swyped.....you may have to interpret
a issue no one else seems to have
Hey,
I just rooted my phone a few days ago so i could install the lag fix on my captivate. Got it done and it runs great now. I started looking around at these custom ROMs and i'm interested in trying one out, but not with out backing up my stock/rooted rom first in case i screw something up. Here is the prob that i'm having.
I installed Clockwork Rom manager NP. Got Busy box installed already too. I opened up rom manager and hit back/recover and it asked me my phone type. I told it the captivate. It downloaded recovery-clockwork-2.5.1.2-captivate.zip into a recoveries directory. Next i clicked on the fix permissions and let it do its thing. Now i clicked on backup current ROM clicked ok for the default name. Phone reboots into recover mode and pops up with.
update media, finished
--install from package....
Finding update package...
opening update package...
E:can't open /cache/update.zip
(bad)
Installation aborted.
I hit reinstall packages and it gives me the same error.
The only thing that i have try was renaming the recovery-clockwork-2.5.1.2-captivate.zip to update.zip and dropping it in the main directory but it had the same effect.
Thanks in advance for the help.
Get and update.
I re-dropped the recovery-clockwork-2.5.1.2-captivate.zip as update.zip in the main dir. and hit backup current mod.
I clicked reinstall packages and it went into the manual mode, hit reinstall pages again and it has seemed to work.
I will give and update if it does not. Thanks again.
Guys,
One thing I am not sure of. I got a brand new Captivate with Stock JF6. I have another one running Froyo.
If I take backup of current new phone via CWM (nandroid) and restore it on the other one.
Is there any trouble expected ???
One I know that files in /efs may get screwed up as it has IMEI related entries too ... but I am not sure.
I am listening.
hey guys a have problems with rom manager.
i was trying to do a backup rom. but rom manager gives me 2 different errors 2 different times.
first it tells me the i need to have cmw v4 and up and the other is it cant mount system so it only backup the bootlogo!!!
how can i fix this
gypsy214 said:
hey guys a have problems with rom manager.
i was trying to do a backup rom. but rom manager gives me 2 different errors 2 different times.
first it tells me the i need to have cmw v4 and up and the other is it cant mount system so it only backup the bootlogo!!!
how can i fix this
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Backup from recovery
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Backup from recovery
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i did that and got the same issues.
gypsy214 said:
i did that and got the same issues.
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Did you boot into recovery from rom manager? Or by holding power + volume down to boot into the nvflashed version? Make sure you're making backups by booting into the nvflashed recovery.
I've noticed that stock GB and ROM Manager do not get along. I'm forced to boot into recovery to do anything.
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Personally, I find Rom Manager to be completly useless and doesn't allow you to do anything right. Your best bet is to boot into recovery by holding power and vol down if you want something done right.
Tattooed5150 said:
Personally, I find Rom Manager to be completly useless and doesn't allow you to do anything right. Your best bet is to boot into recovery by holding power and vol down if you want something done right.
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Agreed I find rom manager totally useless too, I haven't even used it since my mytouch 4g days, no need to with the nvflash recovery, once flashed it is just about fool proof. I never. Ever had a problem. Using it, and to rename my backups I use andro zip from the market and its free, also nvflash gets updated in a timely manner.......great great tool and like I said no problems using it
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Agreed I find rom manager totally useless too, I haven't even used it since my mytouch 4g days, no need to with the nvflash recovery, once flashed it is just about fool proof. I never. Ever had a problem. Using it, and to rename my backups I use andro zip from the market and its free, also nvflash gets updated in a timely manner.......great great tool and like I said no problems using it
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ROM Manager works fine on phones where the recovery partition is accessible when the phone is booted into the Android OS. On my Nexus One it works great and flashes recovery to the recovery partition where it is supposed to go.
On the G2X, LG made the recovery partition non-accessible when the phone is booted into the Android OS. So ROM Manager cannot flash recovery directly to the recovery partition. It flashes it to regular phone memory and then tricks the phone into running it when you say reboot to recovery in ROM Manager. Because of this people call this a "fake flash" and is not as reliable as recovery flashed to the recovery partition where it should be. Therefore, it is not advisable to use ROM Manager with the G2X and just use NVFlash to flash Clockworkmod Recovery to the recovery partition where it should be.
Got the new i727 from Rogers. First time Android user, come from the BB world.
Want to back up my stock ROM. Installed paid version of Rom Toolbox. Went to the Manage ROM section, and it told me I had to have ROM Manager.
Downloaded the free version of ROM manager, and it told me I had to have ClockworkMod installed, and asked if I wanted to install it.
Said YES, and it took me to a group of phones, not the SGS2 LTE. So I cancelled.
So three questions:
1. When I buy Rom Toolbox, why do I have to then get ROM Manager?
2. What is ClockworkMod?
3. Which phone do I select that will work on my Rogers Samsung Galaxy S2, and will that finally allow me to back up my stock ROM.
Thanks
Harry Fine
I'm not familiar with ROM Toolbox, nor do I know why you would use it. I'm not much of a fan of ROM Manager, either, but it does work. Install it, and select the T-Mobile SGS2 to get CWM installed. You can then take a Nandroid backup.
That said, backups of untouched stock ROMs are much less needed when there's already an Odin TAR out.
What does it mean to "take a nandroid" backup?
Got it. Installed CWM and did the ROM backup, now have a Nandroid backup, also copied to PC. I'm assuming if I've done this correctly, I can now re-install the stock ROM if I had to.
Once I have a nandroid backup that is known to be good, is there any situation (other than hardware) that would prevent me from un-bricking my phone by simply installing a known good ROM?
As long as you have a backup and are able to access CWM...flash away
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And where is CWM? Is it on the ROM itself, or on the boot sector? If the ROM is bad, or boot sector becomes corrupted, how do you access CWM?
And even if you can't access CWM - in other words, if you can't get past the Samsung logo - you can always return to stock with Odin.
basically as long as you can boot to either download mode or recovery you're safe.
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ROM Manager has an option to "Backup Current ROM" and "Manage and Restore Backups". Can all that be used on stock (odexed), rooted ROM?
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I noticed this feature as well. I personally never tried but i am not sure how it would work. It might create a file in the the clockwork mod folder. But i doubt it works. You could always try it out. the worst it could do it bootloop your phone and you can just fxz? haha.
I don't have a method yet for flashing a fxz file. I'm on linux. Ive never been forced to learn how to do it. You try. ;-)
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Haha. That is a great challenge. My phone is charging right now. We need to find another "victim" to do it. I don't think ROM toolbox is very reliable though. Or at least not as reliable as CWM
I use this app to backup and restore apps.
Don't know for sure to backup and restore rom.
Need someone who has warranty to try this though LOL
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Haha. That is a great challenge. My phone is charging right now. We need to find another "victim" to do it. I don't think ROM toolbox is very reliable though. Or at least not as reliable as CWM
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We're talking about ROM Manager by Koushik Dutta. Not "ROM Toolbox". Right?
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As far as backing up and restoring a stock rom, I fairly certain that it will. However, it depends on a CWM mod recovery and at the moment all we have is a frankinmod recovery and Rom Manager doesn't even acknowledge it.
So, if we had CWM in better shape, or a way for Rom Manager to see it, then everything else would fall into place.
On a random note, Rom Manager will boot into recovery with our frankinmod, but that's about it.
@41rw4lk
These are exactly the concerns i have.
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I was referring to ROM Toolbox but i personally never trusted ROM Toolbox or ROM manager. But that is just me personally.
ROM Manager makes things a whole lot easier for flashing ROMs and backing up/restoring. It's developed by koushikdutta, the same person that develops CWM, so everything should be seamlessly integrated. But as 41rw4lk stated, ROM Manager only partially detects our modified, bootstrapped recovery (it can boot into it but no automation). However, you can get it to work on the A2 . Apply the A2 bootstrap, then flash the Bionic recovery from ROM Manager, then re-apply the A2 bootstrap.
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I was referring to ROM Toolbox but i personally never trusted ROM Toolbox or ROM manager. But that is just me personally.
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Using ROM Toolbox for flashing/restoring/backing up/etc only works if you have the premium ROM Manager. It uses methods from the premium ROM Manager to do just what ROM Manager does. So ROM Toolbox works although there isn't really a reason to use it.
I did away with the bootstrapper and use the cwm on every boot method, which is built into the Sonya rom now I believe. Can I flash the Bionic recovery still without messing everything up?
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I did away with the bootstrapper and use the cwm on every boot method, which is built into the Sonya rom now I believe. Can I flash the Bionic recovery still without messing everything up?
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yes it will work finr as i have done so. Also, the options in rom manager that alow you to backup or restore a rom do work as i have used both mutiple times with out a problem. I just flashed the new lithium rom today right after i backed up my atrix sonya rom using the backup option.
@cogeary
Is there a method to remove the Bionic Recovery? When the Atrix 2 Recovery becomes available would we install that over the Bionic?
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rob219 said:
yes it will work finr as i have done so. Also, the options in rom manager that alow you to backup or restore a rom do work as i have used both mutiple times with out a problem. I just flashed the new lithium rom today right after i backed up my atrix sonya rom using the backup option.
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I just flashed the Bionic recovery and it works perfectly with Rom Manager. One click backup. Thanks for the tip.
KEB64 said:
@cogeary
Is there a method to remove the Bionic Recovery? When the Atrix 2 Recovery becomes available would we install that over the Bionic?
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im not sure about removing it from out phone, but i do know if we ever get an officail or unofficial recovery made just for the atrix 2 you would just either flash it using rom manager (if its in the list of devices) or flash the zip in recovery and reboot into your rom or reboot recovery to check it out.
Technically, the recoveries we're flashing now aren't replacing the system recovery, they're just put in the system and loaded like any other script. If you try to get to recovery manually with buttons, you hit the default system recovery. If we ever get an unlocked bootloader and an official CWM then we're golden and can overwrite the system recovery. So uninstalling everything else should be a matter of deleting scripts, or just not build them into roms anymore since we won't need to.
It's late, so if I'm talking out my ass I apologize. I will say, I appreciate all the work and help from everyone here.
Just got my first device rooted.
Now i have installed a ROM.
I feel awesome.
But then i read this
"With ROM Manager you can back up your existing ROM, flash new ROMs, and install custom themes or kernels. It features a long list of ROMs which is frequently updated and you can install ROMs to the SD card or OTA (over the air). If you want to unlock features like premium ROMs, update notifications, and automatic backups, then you’ll need to spring for the premium version."
So now i am trying to figure out what custome themes are and what custom kernels are compared to the Avatar ROM i installed.
behedwin said:
Just got my first device rooted.
Now i have installed a ROM.
I feel awesome.
But then i read this
"With ROM Manager you can back up your existing ROM, flash new ROMs, and install custom themes or kernels. It features a long list of ROMs which is frequently updated and you can install ROMs to the SD card or OTA (over the air). If you want to unlock features like premium ROMs, update notifications, and automatic backups, then you’ll need to spring for the premium version."
So now i am trying to figure out what custome themes are and what custom kernels are compared to the Avatar ROM i installed.
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Now let me put this simple. The ROM is the operating system of your device (OS). You know what a theme is. Its just changing the way things look can be your icons, interface shade/colour,etc. Its just visuals. And the next is kernel. Kernels are the thing which links your OS and hardware. Literally they are responsible for the way your phone behaves. Custom kernels has tweaks whicj can improve your device's performance, the battery drain, way your processor's I/O works.. It helps you to do things like over clock and under clock,etc. But it is risky as your manufacturer has made a stable kernel for your device and these custom kernels may be unstable. Sure thing you dont want to mess with em unless you know what you are doing. Now as you have choice to do things like changing ROMs and Kernels using Rom manager, i would recommend you to use CWM and flash zip files which has ROMs and Kernels made specifically for your device as this is more safe. But be sure to have a backup as installing something not meant for your device will brick it. Dont worry. Have a backup and also Odin with stock rom incase its really hard bricked. If it helped hit thanks button plz..
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Now let me put this simple. The ROM is the operating system of your device (OS). You know what a theme is. Its just changing the way things look can be your icons, interface shade/colour,etc. Its just visuals. And the next is kernel. Kernels are the thing which links your OS and hardware. Literally they are responsible for the way your phone behaves. Custom kernels has tweaks whicj can improve your device's performance, the battery drain, way your processor's I/O works.. It helps you to do things like over clock and under clock,etc. But it is risky as your manufacturer has made a stable kernel for your device and these custom kernels may be unstable. Sure thing you dont want to mess with em unless you know what you are doing. Now as you have choice to do things like changing ROMs and Kernels using Rom manager, i would recommend you to use CWM and flash zip files which has ROMs and Kernels made specifically for your device as this is more safe. But be sure to have a backup as installing something not meant for your device will brick it. Dont worry. Have a backup and also Odin with stock rom incase its really hard bricked. If it helped hit thanks button plz..
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Awesome now i have a good hint of what each thing are.
Now this lead me to some more questions.
Since i have already rooted my device. I have installed Avatar ROM and tested some others...
But i never made any backups... Is it to late for that?
Is my best choice to download Titanium Backup and backup everything with that application?
You said something else about Odin, how to backup aswell with that?
What is CWM and how does it differ from Rom Manager?
When i install a ROM i download a zip file, put it on my device SD card
Boot the phone in and wipe data, wipe cache, wipe delvik (or whatever it is called) and last install the new .zp file.
behedwin said:
Awesome now i have a good hint of what each thing are.
Now this lead me to some more questions.
Since i have already rooted my device. I have installed Avatar ROM and tested some others...
But i never made any backups... Is it to late for that?
Is my best choice to download Titanium Backup and backup everything with that application?
You said something else about Odin, how to backup aswell with that?
What is CWM and how does it differ from Rom Manager?
When i install a ROM i download a zip file, put it on my device SD card
Boot the phone in and wipe data, wipe cache, wipe delvik (or whatever it is called) and last install the new .zp file.
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CWM is clockword mod recovery. An advanced recovery which has more options than stock recovery. I guess you already has cwm. Probably it must be what you used to flash the Rom and clear cache. Now to Titanium backup, it backs up the whole phone, so do cwm. As we use CWM for our flashing and other things, cwm backups should be enough unless you got space on your sd to have many backup files. And if your phone is working perfectly right now then its never late to take a cwm backup as if you ever encounter a bootloop while tweaking, you can restore your phone. Sometimes even cwm fails to fix your phone. This is where Odin comes in handy. Odin is a pc software which can be used to flash the stock Rom of your device. You can search and find the Stock Rom for your device and region if you google. You can find how to flash using odin guides out there. Flashing stock rom via odin will remove every traces of ever tweaking your phone which includes rooting, flashing of custom roms and kernels,etc. Your device will be just like when you bought it. This is helpful when you want to take your phone to service centres as rooting and doing other stuffs will void your warranty. Hopes this helps...
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CWM is clockword mod recovery. An advanced recovery which has more options than stock recovery. I guess you already has cwm. Probably it must be what you used to flash the Rom and clear cache. Now to Titanium backup, it backs up the whole phone, so do cwm. As we use CWM for our flashing and other things, cwm backups should be enough unless you got space on your sd to have many backup files. And if your phone is working perfectly right now then its never late to take a cwm backup as if you ever encounter a bootloop while tweaking, you can restore your phone. Sometimes even cwm fails to fix your phone. This is where Odin comes in handy. Odin is a pc software which can be used to flash the stock Rom of your device. You can search and find the Stock Rom for your device and region if you google. You can find how to flash using odin guides out there. Flashing stock rom via odin will remove every traces of ever tweaking your phone which includes rooting, flashing of custom roms and kernels,etc. Your device will be just like when you bought it. This is helpful when you want to take your phone to service centres as rooting and doing other stuffs will void your warranty. Hopes this helps...
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Thank you.
I can tho not figure out how to know for sure if i have CWM or not. I have no apps called that.
And how do i do a CWM backup if i can start CWM some other way than using an app icon ?
behedwin said:
Thank you.
I can tho not figure out how to know for sure if i have CWM or not. I have no apps called that.
And how do i do a CWM backup if i can start CWM some other way than using an app icon ?
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CWM is a shell and not an app and it cannot be installed on android os so you cant access it through your Rom but you can run it whenever you need it but through stock recovery. CWM comes as a .zip file which should be selected from stock recovery or in other words flash it. It will open cwm recovery. And you can access advanced recovery options which stock recovery doesn support. Well search and download cwm for your device, place it sd card root(not inside any folder), run it using install update option on your stock recovery, it will open cwm which will be in yellow colour themed. Select backup and restore opt in it and select backup. That will take care of taking full backup of your device.
haridevil99 said:
CWM is a shell and not an app and it cannot be installed on android os so you cant access it through your Rom but you can run it whenever you need it but through stock recovery. CWM comes as a .zip file which should be selected from stock recovery or in other words flash it. It will open cwm recovery. And you can access advanced recovery options which stock recovery doesn support. Well search and download cwm for your device, place it sd card root(not inside any folder), run it using install update option on your stock recovery, it will open cwm which will be in yellow colour themed. Select backup and restore opt in it and select backup. That will take care of taking full backup of your device.
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Awesome, this thread have cleared many small things that come as so obvious for those that have done this for some time.
Perfect for me to quick understand what I am reading in threads and other sources.
I have now a CWM backup, Titan Backup and installed Odin and found my stock ROM to use if things goes to ****.
behedwin said:
Awesome, this thread have cleared many small things that come as so obvious for those that have done this for some time.
Perfect for me to quick understand what I am reading in threads and other sources.
I have now a CWM backup, Titan Backup and installed Odin and found my stock ROM to use if things goes to ****.
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Well.. Thats good to hear. And there was none other than me. And anyway a small precaution, never interrupt while you are flashing through Odin coz it will hard brick your device which is literally R.I.P to your device.