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Guess we'll be able to rock Gingerbread :D

Android 3.0 Gingerbread
# Minimum hardware requirements for Android 3.0 devices are: 1GHZ CPU, 512MB or RAM, displays from 3.5” and higher.
# New 1280×760 resolution available for the devices with displays of 4” and higher.
# Completely revamped user interface.
We have all those
1ghz Hummingbird
512mb ram
4" SAMOLED
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Knowing samsung ... my guess is they will never build a release with it. On to the next piece of hardware.
I hope they prove me wrong.

Regardless if Samsung releases a 3.0 ROM for us or not, it will be ported.

I want Froyo when it comes available, because I already know it rocks.
As for Gingerbread, nobody knows if it is a turd or not, so I am not about to get all worked up about am OS that won't be available for my device until late next year, if ever...
However... it would be nice to know there will be long-term support and development for this device. It is quite an expensive piece of equipment to hit end-of-life a year later.

joeybear23 said:
I want Froyo when it comes available, because I already know it rocks.
As for Gingerbread, nobody knows if it is a turd or not, so I am not about to get all worked up about am OS that won't be available for my device until late next year, if ever...
However... it would be nice to know there will be long-term support and development for this device. It is quite an expensive piece of equipment to hit end-of-life a year later.
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I was lucky to snag it for $350 off-contract, new in box
That way I'm saving a virgin family line, to get the next best thing, cheap

Bowsa2511 said:
I was lucky to snag it for $350 off-contract, new in box
That way I'm saving a virgin family line, to get the next best thing, cheap
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I got mine for $150... but with the 2 year contract.
However, since AT&T is the only provider that has good coverage at my house, i am locked into them regardless of whether I have a contract or not.
2 year extension only means I have to wait 18 months to get the latest-greatest phone... I'm not complaining.

I could've gotten the Captivate for free, or the Iphone 4 for $199 still keeping my unlimited plan.
But I just bought the Captivate $350, still have my plan. Just waiting for the latest thing lol

Bowsa2511 said:
I could've gotten the Captivate for free, or the Iphone 4 for $199 still keeping my unlimited plan.
But I just bought the Captivate $350, still have my plan. Just waiting for the latest thing lol
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Did they tell you you could not keep your unlimited plan?
My wife ha sthe iPhone4, and I have my captivate, and we both still have unlimited data...

joeybear23 said:
Did they tell you you could not keep your unlimited plan?
My wife ha sthe iPhone4, and I have my captivate, and we both still have unlimited data...
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I had 3 choices
1) Get captivate for free, keep my plan, put 2 year contract on a family line.
2) Get iphone 4, do "cross-upgrade" (put contract on a family line) register micro-sim/imei to me, and keep my plan.
3) Buy either phone off contract
I went with 3, but not "official", I saw some guy on craigslist selling it new in box $350, so I bought it, took my sim out of old Motorola Backflip (CRAP OUT-DATED DEVICE) and placed it in my Captivate.
So I don't know if the phone is "technically" covered by att, but I registered it with samsung.

You didn't buy it from AT&T so they will not cover anything. Not even support if they didn't want to. The latter is not likely as I have purchased 2nd hand devices and they have not refused to provide technical support.

joey - how did you keep unlimited data with two year upgrade? Thanks, NLS

drnls said:
joey - how did you keep unlimited data with two year upgrade? Thanks, NLS
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Talk to AT&T if you bought the device from them.
I got my Captivate via LetsTalk.com and I was given a checkbox that says "I WANT TO KEEP MY 30$ UNLIMITED PLAN"
If you're still fresh into your new contract you should be able to tell them to switch it to your good ol' unlimited data plan and don't let them tell you the otherwise. Be persistent.

kenjindomini said:
Regardless if Samsung releases a 3.0 ROM for us or not, it will be ported.
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Ports might not be possible since samsung doesn't release driver source code.

drnls said:
joey - how did you keep unlimited data with two year upgrade? Thanks, NLS
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I just told them i wanted to keep it.

joeybear23 said:
I just told them i wanted to keep it.
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same, they asked me if I wanted to make any changes to the account and said, heck no I want my unlimited data since I tether off you guys for free... j/k
But on Gingerbread.. How far along are we actually in development? Are there even any screenshots or videos of it yet? Whats the expected release date?

A.VOID said:
... my guess is they will never build a release with it. On to the next piece of hardware.
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You know, I've been worried that this may be a general problem for all smart phones.
There is little, actually negative, incentive for manufactures to upgrade the OS of any phone. They don't charge for the upgrades and new phones are "relatively" cheap.
Additionally, the players in question tend to be hardware manufactures not software manufactures.
I think the deck is stack against those of us that want to see OS upgrades on smart phones.
Just my 2 cents worth, YMMV.

BobPaul said:
You know, I've been worried that this may be a general problem for all smart phones.
There is little, actually negative, incentive for manufactures to upgrade the OS of any phone. They don't charge for the upgrades and new phones are "relatively" cheap.
Additionally, the players in question tend to be hardware manufactures not software manufactures.
I think the deck is stack against those of us that want to see OS upgrades on smart phones.
Just my 2 cents worth, YMMV.
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Yep, I'm going to agree here. A wireless company would need to invest lots of money for a team to test and prepare a new OS after it's received from the manufacturer to be sent out to a device. Or they could just spend that money on checking a new incoming phone which would already be prepped for the new OS.
In today's world they know a majority of us are going to be drooling over the next big thing in a year. Why give you something for free when they can get you to buy it?
The only phone to really break this mold is the iPhone. Only because it's one piece of hardware controlled by the manufacturer. They only have to worry about the OS working with their own hardware. Where Gingerbread will need to be adapted to every manufacturer that wants to use it.
If it looks amazing I'll be praying for Samsung and AT&T to step up to the plate for their customers; but I won't be checking BGR expecting anything.

joeybear23 said:
As for Gingerbread, nobody knows if it is a turd or not, so I am not about to get all worked up about am OS that won't be available for my device until late next year, if ever...
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If it's late next year, we will all be running 3.2 roms be then. Gingerbread is supposedly only 4-6 months away
smeltn said:
But on Gingerbread.. How far along are we actually in development? Are there even any screenshots or videos of it yet? Whats the expected release date?
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I keep hearing that google said late Q4-early Q1.

The way I see it, samsung, htc, moto, nobody cares if you get a higher os. They will make an update due to calender reasons like the 2.1 to 2.2 to get you to buy a device with an old os.
But if the devs can put 2.2 on a g1, which google said couldn't happen, doesn't really matter what hardware we have. It's up to all of us to support the devs to make anything happen.
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What do you plan on doing?

Samsung is unveiling a new generation of Galaxy S phones. What does this mean for current Galaxy S users? Are we going to be neglected once Samsung unveils this newer and sexier line of galaxy phones? Could there be cross-development between this generation and the next generation of Galaxy phones? Any Captivate owners planning to abandon ship or reluctantly stay with your current phone?
I'm currently debating whether I should sell my Captivate in a few weeks (I'm sure holiday demand will help increase prices a little ) and grab the newer galaxy phones when they come out, or just stick with this already amazing phone. Decisions decisions...

I'm sticking with mine..I do have to ask you something though..Why are you in a quandary over this..if you actually think this...
or just stick with this already amazing phone
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..Why change to something that may not be ? Are the specs that great on this unreleased as yet phone that you feel compelled to change...or [/I]do you just have to have the latest and greatest out all the time.?
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Mac11700 said:
I'm sticking with mine..I do have to ask you something though..Why are you in a quandary over this..if you actually think this.....Why change to something that may not be ? Are the specs that great on this unreleased as yet phone that you feel compelled to change...or [/I]do you just have to have the latest and greatest out all the time.?
Mac
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My quandry is that although this is an amazing phone, the specs on the new phone make it seem amazinger! Also I'm kind of upset that these phones were released around June, I bought mine in August, and Samsung is releasing the next generation of phones in less than a year! At least Apple has the decency to wait a year I know all of this is based on here-say, but who doesn't want the latest and greatest???

wuxingwarrior3 said:
My quandry is that although this is an amazing phone, the specs on the new phone make it seem amazinger! Also I'm kind of upset that these phones were released around June, I bought mine in August, and Samsung is releasing the next generation of phones in less than a year! At least Apple has the decency to wait a year I know all of this is based on here-say, but who doesn't want the latest and greatest???
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It's not like there is really anything on the new phones that the Captivate won't be able to do...

I'm hanging in. With the great developers here I can't see this phone going out of style for awhile yet.
You're the type of user that Samsung drools over.

We first started seeing leaks of the current galaxy S devices in April of 2009... It takes quite a bit of time to go from a few prototypes to actual production.

sticking with my current phone. couldn't afford to upgrade anyway..

There is always going to be something better"just around the corner" ......the wonders of modern technology
Not sure what more I can expect my phone to do at this point though....but I am sure I will upgrade again though not til next summer

cappysw10 said:
I'm hanging in. With the great developers here I can't see this phone going out of style for awhile yet.
You're the type of user that Samsung drools over.
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LOL I'm not usually the type of person to sell my current phone to get the latest and greatest but like I said, this new lineup looks amazing.

wuxingwarrior3 said:
LOL I'm not usually the type of person to sell my current phone to get the latest and greatest but like I said, this new lineup looks amazing.
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By the same token, if you stand back and compare this with phones that were being sold 2 years ago our current lineup is pretty awsome...

veive said:
By the same token, if you stand back and compare this with phones that were being sold 2 years ago our current lineup is pretty awsome...
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+1 to this

veive said:
By the same token, if you stand back and compare this with phones that were being sold 2 years ago our current lineup is pretty awsome...
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That's true, but we're not living in 2008 anymore! I'm want to have a handset that will last me through 2012

For me this will last til 2012. Will it be top of the line, no. with the way the technology curve is going I don't see any phone lasting very long on top at all. Not unless they develope hardware that most likely the common public is not willing to spend.
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Nerz said:
For me this will last til 2012. Will it be top of the line, no. with the way the technology curve is going I don't see any phone lasting very long on top at all. Not unless they develope hardware that most likely the common public is not willing to spend.
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This phone will be plenty to last at least for two years until my contract is up.
Hell, I bought a PS3 in 2006 and Sony is just about to release the console's most anticipated game ever Gran Turismo 5.
And that will easily last a couple more years before a Playstation 4 is revealed.
Although there will be newer phones, I think the Captivate is future proof for a couple of years.
That is what open-source and apps are for.

I love the captivate currently and the prospect of new phones means more software support in the future that is compatible with it.
Gingerbread not being released on the captivate? A long as a similar phone is and it meets the specs looks like our kitchens will be cooking for a long time.
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This...I just hope they keep developing for the Cap. And if "they" dont, I know someone who will /grin
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I bought my Captivate off contract, and if Samsung releases another phone on AT&T that I like, I'll buy that phone off contract as well. I don't mind having a stockpile of working GSM phones

Official Verizon Iphone

well it finally happened. not giving up android for anything though. See for yourself.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/splash/iphone.jsp
im surprised im the only one that really posted about this

Well, gee let's see:
1) last year's hardware with a different antenna
2) stuck on a CDMA network (while 98% of the world use GSM) that doesn't allow simultaneous voice and data
3) its only mentionable software is the app store (grandma loves playing with those games)
I don't blame people here from not talking about it..

lude219 said:
Well, gee let's see:
1) last year's hardware with a different antenna
2) stuck on a CDMA network (while 98% of the world use GSM) that doesn't allow simultaneous voice and data
3) its only mentionable software is the app store (grandma loves playing with those games)
I don't blame people here from not talking about it..
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1) The phone is less than 7 months old
2) Totally agree here, but then again most Verizon phones are CDMA only
3) The app store, agree with me or not, has some awesome apps in it and is still ahead of Android as far as searching/sifting through the crap goes.
Anywho, I will continue using my HD2 with NAND Android

I think it is weird for someone to buy this phone on February 10th when 4 months later Apple is MORE than likely going to release the iPhone5. If Verizon customers have been weighting years for this device to come to their network, what is the harm in waiting 4 more months to get the newest one. I know it isn't a guarantee Verizon will get the iPhone5 in June but its hard to see why they wouldn't.

Akulamenuri said:
I think it is weird for someone to buy this phone on February 10th when 4 months later Apple is MORE than likely going to release the iPhone5. If Verizon customers have been weighting years for this device to come to their network, what is the harm in waiting 4 more months to get the newest one. I know it isn't a guarantee Verizon will get the iPhone5 in June but its hard to see why they wouldn't.
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My guess would be that the iPhone "5" will really be just a "4S", slight speed boost, maybe more storage, nothing to write home about though. Then next year when the 5 comes out Verizon and AT&T will both get handsets at the same time, in June.
Plus, realize that average customers don't know/care about release schedules. If they did, 6 months after the iPhone is released 0 would sell, which obviously isn't the case. Not everyone chases the latest and greatest devices like we do

if a five comes out- it WILL be a 4s like uberamd said. It wont be worth a new device it will just be something a software update would be. honestly, i also believe that some of the verizon smart phones could best the iphone in a comparison so unless the iphone becomes somthin totally different they may lose business. Hopefully the 4g service will come to verizon sooner than later.

uberamd said:
1) The phone is less than 7 months old
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Yes, the phone was released 7mos ago. The available hardware (as in similar phones with similar or better specs), however, is over a year old.

I can just imagine AT&T and Verizon releasing the iPhone 4GS, AT&T's will be the exact same with HSPA+ and Verizon's will have LTE. Other than that.. no differences.

lude219 said:
Yes, the phone was released 7mos ago. The available hardware (as in similar phones with similar or better specs), however, is over a year old.
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Who cares about specs? Go ask anyone outside these forums who isn't a gadget geek (and by that I mean go ask 99.99% of mobile users) how many MHz the processor in their phone is, or how much RAM it has. They will stare blankly at you. Why? They don't care. What they want is a good experience, and while I may be an Android user I am also willing to admit that the iPhone 4 delivers a silky smooth user experience. From the store to the high res responsive screen, its completely smooth.
I have likely gone from iPhone to Android much more than most people in these forums so I have experienced the pros and cons of each OS. In my experiences outside of geekdom, MHz, GHz, MB of RAM, and dual cores don't matter. UX reigns supreme.

uberamd said:
Who cares about specs? Go ask anyone outside these forums who isn't a gadget geek (and by that I mean go ask 99.99% of mobile users) how many MHz the processor in their phone is, or how much RAM it has. They will stare blankly at you. Why? They don't care. What they want is a good experience, and while I may be an Android user I am also willing to admit that the iPhone 4 delivers a silky smooth user experience. From the store to the high res responsive screen, its completely smooth.
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The OP asked why noone on a TECH FORUM has post about it. That's because people on a TECH FORUM SUCH AS XDA already know about the specs front and back. Learn to read.

The iPhone was sick when they first came out. 3 years later it's still the same phone in a different housing. I don't think I will ever get an iPhone again. Sold my 3g for a G1 when they first came out and never looked back.
Buying one right now would be a waste if you always have to have the latest and greatest with the "4S" or whatever it's going to be called a few months away.

lude219 said:
The OP asked why noone on a TECH FORUM has post about it. That's because people on a TECH FORUM SUCH AS XDA already know about the specs front and back. Learn to read.
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And I was responding to you about why the age of the device is irrelevant. There is no need to respond in that way, quit being so sensitive.

uberamd said:
And I was responding to you about why the age of the device is irrelevant. There is no need to respond in that way, quit being so sensitive.
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And I never said anything about release date or the age of the phone, did I? I said the hardware of the phone is a year old. I'm not being sensitive, i'm just teaching you what your english teacher should've taught you in school.

lude219 said:
And I never said anything about release date, did I? I said the hardware of the phone is a year old. I'm not being sensitive, i'm just teaching you what your english teacher should've taught you in school.
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Well, it was about interpretation. And less than 7 months != 12, and last time I checked a year was 12 months. Just trying to teach you something you should have learned in math class (see how funny that is ).
Also, if you notice, a different user mentioned this I think it is weird for someone to buy this phone on February 10th when 4 months later Apple is MORE than likely going to release the iPhone5. If Verizon customers have been weighting years for this device to come to their network... which started the discussion about Verizon customers in general, not just ones on these forums. Your reply, and attitude, is entirely uncalled for.

So not only do you fail to read but you also get side-track from comment to comment? The available HARDWARE was announced back in January 2009 (with the introduction of the toshiba tg01). That was the starting point. Even phones with bigger screen, bigger RAM, and 1ghz CPU were already available in store at the end of 2009. So since this thread was about the Verizon iphone 4, set to be released in 2011, it'll still be using technology/hardware already available back in 2009, and for the most part, early 2010...making the hardware a year old.
So what does saying the phone is 7mos old have to do with anything I replied to the OP?
I'm starting to think that english is not your first or even second language.

I'm done. Dealing with people like you isn't even worth my time.

So, who really cares ? It's a glorified app launcher anyway. Yea, it's pretty but, it's a apple.
This model is yesterday's news, it's 7 months old (longer before it was orgnally announced) Verizon and Apple know this. Every one who is a iPhone fanboy has been *****ing about AT&T's poor network, so verizon was the answer. So every sucker will go get a iPhone 4 from Verizon that is outdated and last years model JUST TO GET a iPhone on Verizon.
So, when the iPhone 5 (or what ever the next model is called) comes out, I am sure Verizon has there hands in the jar on that one, it will come with LTE and the way it should of been. Everyone who had to have one will be on a 2 year contract so they cant' change unless they pay the $350 or full price for the phone, then the people will be locked in for more years.
I think this iPhone was a model that was just designed to get rushed out the door, sure it will work ALMOST like AT&T's device but, it's nothing new(accept on a CDMA network).
I don't have interest in one but, I have a few family members who are and I hate to see them pay full price for a device that is outdated. I would expect for a flagship device on Verizon that they would do it right.
I would of prefered them to release it done right and wile they were at it, release a few Windows phone 7 models, you know, the better phone anyway

lude219 said:
So not only do you fail to read but you also get side-track from comment to comment? The available HARDWARE was announced back in January 2009 (with the introduction of the toshiba tg01). That was the starting point. Even phones with bigger screen, bigger RAM, and 1ghz CPU were already available in store at the end of 2009. So since this thread was about the Verizon iphone 4, set to be released in 2011, it'll still be using technology/hardware already available back in 2009, and for the most part, early 2010...making the hardware a year old.
So what does saying the phone is 7mos old have to do with anything I replied to the OP?
I'm starting to think that english is not your first or even second language.
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Wow do you like to talk back or what cookie?
As for the iPhone. Sorry fellers. It's a sick phone. So what if the 'hardware' is old? It has a higher resolution than almost any other phone right? How is that "old"? Also the Retina is way better than this "SLCD bs". I love the Super Amoled though.
Not only this, it doesn't NEED a dual core! Or anything more than it has even. Why? Because it runs intensive 3d games! Because it is fluid and smooth! What do you expect them to do?
All it's missing is a 4g radio. And it's way too early for that anyways. Why? 10mbps isn't real 4g. 10mbps isn't worth mentioning. I get 7 on T-Mobile THREE g. I'll get a 4g phone when it's 20+. Also then iPhone 4g will be out. For both AT&T and Verizon maybe?! Maybe! Lmao.
Either way. CDMA iPhone = ... Bad ESN + Flash to Cricket. Cheapass phone cheapass plan no contract. That's what I'd do. If I wanted an iPhone. But I have an iPod Touch and I love my T-Mobile service and my Nexus S.
And what's your huge problem with the CDMA iPhone 4? Cause CDMA is "crap" or something? Lolwut? Do you have any idea how big of a company Verizon is? Why is a CDMA company so successful? Why exactly do you think Apple is selling a CDMA iPhone?
Blah whatever. Haters gonna hate. But these haters must be nervous and threatened by an iPhone that isn't on AT&T crap. Honestly, I'm glad I have the choice to have an iPhone with 3G that isn't on AT&T if I want now. Doesn't mean I like the iPhone or am going to get one. But I'm glad I have the option.
Choice is a good thing.

^ CDMA is small as hell when compared to the rest of the world.
Anyway I guarantee this iPhone will sale more than everything on the market.
Oh and every game is not silky smooth on the iPhone. They crash and lag just like on Android. Do your research. Not all of them but there are some.

ugg did i start a fanboy war? dam im sorry.
well anyway i just saw what moto is releasing soon and they will be giving everything a run for their money. they have a tablet, the bionic, cliq2 and atrix. i am def getting the droidbionic.
it. is. sick.

Twice as good(better) than g2x

http://www.tmonews.com/2012/02/t-mo...lg-g2x/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Looks promising
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really not a fan of the g#x name scheme

Sounds good. I sure hope they don't screw up with it as they did with the G2x.
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I have no faith in that future lol.
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I have no faith in that future lol.
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so if lg had not hand in making this device with the above specs it would soundssomewhat promising.

dligon said:
so if lg had not hand in making this device with the above specs it would soundssomewhat promising.
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The 720p & 21mbps thing also lg should be stepping their game up lol... I'll be going for specific processor chips from now on, I'm tired of the run around lol. Don't want to have to rely on awesome devs to support us.
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Not to be overly cynical, but I think this might be the reason LG hasn't outright said they will upgrade our phone to ICS. I fail to see how this new one would be such a cut above ours other than it will be sporting ICS. And yes, I know that LG has stated they will upgrade the O2X and they are basically the same phone so let's stay off of that merry-go-round.
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It will be hilarious if the next phone to that is G8x. G8 in Chinese sounds the same as the male part. Some believe it the reason why Canon skipped PowerShot G8 and directly to G9.

dligon said:
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It'll be called the Optimus 3x, and the T-mobile version will be the G3x, because of the Tegra 3.
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Not to be overly cynical, but I think this might be the reason LG hasn't outright said they will upgrade our phone to ICS. I fail to see how this new one would be such a cut above ours other than it will be sporting ICS. And yes, I know that LG has stated they will upgrade the O2X and they are basically the same phone so let's stay off of that merry-go-round.
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Quad core processing, will have at least a gig of RAM, so twice as much RAM, 100% faster processing times. Not to mention a 4.7 inch screen, real 720p HD screen and 21 mbps radio instead of 14.4.

IRASadPanda said:
It'll be called the Optimus 3x, and the T-mobile version will be the G3x, because of the Tegra 3.
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That makes way more sense than G4x.
However, I am an LG owner scorned. It's either iPhone or Nexus device for me.
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darbear5610 said:
That makes way more sense than G4x.
However, I am an LG owner scorned. It's either iPhone or Nexus device for me.
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Amen
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This is a very tempting phone. But it's just hard to put all your cards in LG and nVidia again.

I will buy g4x, the screen on g2x look way better than Samsung and HTC phones, hopefully g4x will have nice and easy to clean screen.

If only it didn't say lg on it. Smh
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With Samsung dominating the Android phone market, it would be wise for LG to pull a Hyundai. Meaning, institute a 3 year update Guarantee on all phones going forward. Basically, within 3 months of a major release of Android (Think Eclair->Froyo->Gingerbread) you are Guaranteed the update, or you get a full refund on the price of the phone(What you paid for the phone when you bought it, granted you actually have to contact LG before getting the refund) That way you know that when you buy an LG phone you are assured you will have an updated phone. Sounds crazy? People said a 10 year warrantee was crazy, but Hyundai is doing pretty damn awesome right now. And 3 years worth of updates isn't asking for a heck of a lot.
Imagine the impact this would have on the industry? If successful, this would force HTC, Samsung, Motorola and other manufactures to get their stuff together and support phones instead of slight upgrades throughout the year (Think Droid3->Droid4 and Atrix->Atrix2, as well as the Myriad of phones related to the original EVO 4G).
It'll take a true leader to show this industry changing innovation, and someone who isn't a foolish corporate pig to pull it off. I just don't know if any corporation that makes our beloved phones have the courage or the scruples to actually try this.
Imagine, even as a sheeple consumer, seeing on a phone 3 year update guarantee on a big sticker on the box. Most would wonder what makes that special, and on the back can be a section explaining how most phones are forgotten a couple months after release, but if you get an LG phone, you are guarenteed your money back, if your phone isn't updated to the newest OS within three months of release. Then it could go on about how the updates help security and stability with the phone, as well as better support for future apps.
Could turn LG's business around. But what do I know? I just put out good ideas while the execs at LG release a highly anticipated phone only to have it fall on its face and walk away from it pretending it never happened, leaving it's customers high and dry...they clearly know what they are doing. Put me in charge of LG and I promise that they will be the smartphone leader in 2 years (any LG people listening ;P )

That's not wise at all…. LG will never ever guarantee that, considering android is developed by a different company. Who knows if future iterations of android will require significantly more power. Google's own Nexus One isn't even being updated to ICS, and that was only 2 years ago. Also LG will never be able to sell any low or mid range phones, considering they don't have top of the line hardware to begin with.
Then if LG fail to deliver their promise based on the first point, they have to essentially buy back 2-3 year old hardware they had already sold at their original price.
That idea is ludicrous and there is a reason it hasn't been implemented.
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With Samsung dominating the Android phone market, it would be wise for LG to pull a Hyundai. Meaning, institute a 3 year update Guarantee on all phones going forward. Basically, within 3 months of a major release of Android (Think Eclair->Froyo->Gingerbread) you are Guaranteed the update, or you get a full refund on the price of the phone(What you paid for the phone when you bought it, granted you actually have to contact LG before getting the refund) That way you know that when you buy an LG phone you are assured you will have an updated phone. Sounds crazy? People said a 10 year warrantee was crazy, but Hyundai is doing pretty damn awesome right now. And 3 years worth of updates isn't asking for a heck of a lot.
Imagine the impact this would have on the industry? If successful, this would force HTC, Samsung, Motorola and other manufactures to get their stuff together and support phones instead of slight upgrades throughout the year (Think Droid3->Droid4 and Atrix->Atrix2, as well as the Myriad of phones related to the original EVO 4G).
It'll take a true leader to show this industry changing innovation, and someone who isn't a foolish corporate pig to pull it off. I just don't know if any corporation that makes our beloved phones have the courage or the scruples to actually try this.
Imagine, even as a sheeple consumer, seeing on a phone 3 year update guarantee on a big sticker on the box. Most would wonder what makes that special, and on the back can be a section explaining how most phones are forgotten a couple months after release, but if you get an LG phone, you are guarenteed your money back, if your phone isn't updated to the newest OS within three months of release. Then it could go on about how the updates help security and stability with the phone, as well as better support for future apps.
Could turn LG's business around. But what do I know? I just put out good ideas while the execs at LG release a highly anticipated phone only to have it fall on its face and walk away from it pretending it never happened, leaving it's customers high and dry...they clearly know what they are doing. Put me in charge of LG and I promise that they will be the smartphone leader in 2 years (any LG people listening ;P )
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rauelius said:
With Samsung dominating the Android phone market, it would be wise for LG to pull a Hyundai. Meaning, institute a 3 year update Guarantee on all phones going forward. Basically, within 3 months of a major release of Android (Think Eclair->Froyo->Gingerbread) you are Guaranteed the update, or you get a full refund on the price of the phone(What you paid for the phone when you bought it, granted you actually have to contact LG before getting the refund) That way you know that when you buy an LG phone you are assured you will have an updated phone. Sounds crazy? People said a 10 year warrantee was crazy, but Hyundai is doing pretty damn awesome right now. And 3 years worth of updates isn't asking for a heck of a lot.
Imagine the impact this would have on the industry? If successful, this would force HTC, Samsung, Motorola and other manufactures to get their stuff together and support phones instead of slight upgrades throughout the year (Think Droid3->Droid4 and Atrix->Atrix2, as well as the Myriad of phones related to the original EVO 4G).
It'll take a true leader to show this industry changing innovation, and someone who isn't a foolish corporate pig to pull it off. I just don't know if any corporation that makes our beloved phones have the courage or the scruples to actually try this.
Imagine, even as a sheeple consumer, seeing on a phone 3 year update guarantee on a big sticker on the box. Most would wonder what makes that special, and on the back can be a section explaining how most phones are forgotten a couple months after release, but if you get an LG phone, you are guarenteed your money back, if your phone isn't updated to the newest OS within three months of release. Then it could go on about how the updates help security and stability with the phone, as well as better support for future apps.
Could turn LG's business around. But what do I know? I just put out good ideas while the execs at LG release a highly anticipated phone only to have it fall on its face and walk away from it pretending it never happened, leaving it's customers high and dry...they clearly know what they are doing. Put me in charge of LG and I promise that they will be the smartphone leader in 2 years (any LG people listening ;P )
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You, sir, are a genius.
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Yeah, basically same thing that was said about Hyundai, thanks for proving my point! "How can you support a car for 10 Years?!?!" And honestly, ICS really should've been release for the Nexus One. Low end phones going forward will be at about the level of the G2x and the original Transformer (Look up ZTE Tegra2 phone, it's considered a mid-level 2012 phone). Besides, this could be offered only to premium handsets.
Also, you assume that 100% of the people will actually take advantage of the warranty. Reality is about 12.5% actually use the warranty on products. I actually learned 30% in marketing, and in my 10 years in corporate business, it's actually more like 12.5%. Better marketing, vs at most 30% of people taking advantage of it (unrealistic)
The idea isn't ludicrous, it just saddens me that their are such self-limited minds out there.
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That's not wise at all…. LG will never ever guarantee that, considering android is developed by a different company. Who knows if future iterations of android will require significantly more power. Google's own Nexus One isn't even being updated to ICS, and that was only 2 years ago. Also LG will never be able to sell any low or mid range phones, considering they don't have top of the line hardware to begin with.
Then if LG fail to deliver their promise based on the first point, they have to essentially buy back 2-3 year old hardware they had already sold at their original price.
That idea is ludicrous and there is a reason it hasn't been implemented.
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Phone companies shouldn't release so many phones

Phone companies should only be allowed to make 2 phones a year.
HTC- 2 one series
Samsung- 2 Galaxy series
Motorola- 2 Razr series
LG- 2 of whatever crap they are making
Nexus- 1 of the best pure phones a year.
This would fix so many problems with Android. Phones would actually be updated, less fragmentaion.
Thoughts...

Agreed, So that our phones wont be obsolete three months later.....

Even thats still alot of phones thats 9 phones a year from the bigger companies. But it would help. I mean how many Galaxy phones does samsung need to release?

Yeah one phone per year like Apple.

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Phone companies should only be allowed to make 2 phones a year.
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Is that like saying grocery stores should only be allowed to carry 2 kinds of cereal per year?
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Nate2 said:
Is that like saying grocery stores should only be allowed to carry 2 kinds of cereal per year?
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Agreed. If this were the case, companies would most likely make an expensive high-end phone, and then a crappy low-end phone. Thats not to good for business.
Fragmentation, in my opinion, is because of companies promising updates for a device and it never happens. They're lazy and want to make money off the latest devices. Its all smart business strategy.
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This would fix so many problems with Android. Phones would actually be updated, less fragmentaion.
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And it would also completely destroy one of the reasons I and many others like Android so much, which is that you have so much choice over your phone. There's pretty much an Android phone for everyone now, from budget ones for those who want to use it pretty much purely for communication purposes to the high end phones for power users. If companies were to release just one or two phones a year, it would have to be a flagship device and a budget one. There wouldn't be an option for people like me who want a mid-range phone.
Your argument is also slightly flawed in that of course there would be more official updates, but who needs official updates when you have XDA?

No.
The point of android is choice. From budget phones for the people that need a cheep smartphone, mid-range ones for most users, "flagship" phones for those that want the latest and greatest. Big screens, small screens, physical keyboards, SD slots, you name it...
I do, however, agree that some companies *khm* samsung *khm* release so many models that neither users or the company itself know what's out there.
The biggest issue is the fact that relatively few companies release even the new phones with the latest version. HTC for example has almost all 2012 phone running ICS with upgrades coming out for most 2011 phones. Samsung on the other hand has the S2 upgraded, and the S3 as the ICS flagship. Almost everything else is coming out with GB with upgrade possibilities being very slim...

Surely the simplest solution would be for a phone maker to guarantee updates for two years on some phones and this would also encourage people who want an up to date phone to also purchase one of those with guaranteed updates.
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Turb0wned said:
Phone companies should only be allowed to make 2 phones a year.
HTC- 2 one series
Samsung- 2 Galaxy series
Motorola- 2 Razr series
LG- 2 of whatever crap they are making
Nexus- 1 of the best pure phones a year.
This would fix so many problems with Android. Phones would actually be updated, less fragmentaion.
Thoughts...
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You've forgotten the HTC One V
The thing you have to realise is there are tiers when it comes to mobile phone markets.
Putting it simply there's the entry, mid, and high.
Someone who wants a powerful phone isn't going to be happy with an entry or mid level handset.
Someone who can only afford an entry level handset isn't going to be able to buy a high end phone.
Simples.

I hate samsung for lack of updates to such a great phones as e.g. sgs+
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