whats the difference between unlocking bootloader and rooting? i just unlocked the bootloader but have not rooted my device will i be able to flash roms on to it or it must be rooted?
Unlocked bootloader will allow you to have custom rooted roms and radio software on your phone. You can also stick with the factory rom if you wish and still root it via superuser.
All unlocking the bootloader does is allow you to have s-off (or, turn off the security write flag). This means you can write to the /system partition using many different methods.
Rooting allows you to use apps that require elevated privileges such as writing to the /system partition.
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so I can just go right ahead and flash a rom then right?
As long as you flashed cwm recovery first. (Something the s-off/rooting guide has in the howto).
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Hi,
Just a quick question will I lose Root when flashing to ICS RUU (when available) or will it change my boot loader.
Im already rooted/ Debranded with S-OFF
My config below
You'll most likely lose root and I think it may change your bootloader. Not 100% sure though.
You'll lose root and change bootloader as said but still s-off.
You can root again flashing this zip by Mike1986 from custom recovery (CWM/4EXT).
dnt use the ruu , the stock rooted rom is already posted somewhere in develpment chk tht out
You will not lose root but will lock bootloader.
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Hello.
Surfed the forum for an entire week regarding rooting and unlocking the bootloader.
Its HTC One X, 4.0.3 ICS, on AT&T
Managed to root it using OneXRootOneClick method (onexroot.com)
Tried to backup through the fastboot method before flashing the ROM... and when I went to the fastboot screen, and clicked on Recovery, instead of giving options of recovering Vs backing up etc., the phone immediately just wiped everything and started clean slate.
Read in detail more, and realized there is no unlockable bootloader from htcdev.com (thanks effing AT&T!!). The only current method is the one posted recently on xda (by using the Hex editor and changing your ROMs code to think it's Rogers').
So now when i restart into fastboot, I see at the top the phone is 1-tampered 2-locked 3- S-ON .. (i restored all software and data and settings, and backed up everything on titanium afterward).
So... Questions
1. Beside achieving root access and SuperSU, what else can i do with a rooted android if I cant unlock it in order to flash it?
2. How do i get ClockWorkMod on so i can backup my ROM onto my SD? And is it doable if I cant unlock my bootloader?
3. What options are there from here? (a rooted but unlocked device without CWM) And do i need superCID , busybox etc?
There are one clicks for root, supervis/unlock, and cwm recovery, I just did it today easy. Linked the tools, was very easy.
Bootloader/supercid tool.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1672284
One click cwm recovery.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1671873
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but..
thx for the reply
will it matter with this unlock method what software i got? i noticed people on the replies of the first link that they're 1.85 , im 1.73
secondly... any mac version of the one click unlock ?
I was 1.73 it makes it easy since you need to be rooted.
I don't think there is a Mac version, you could also follow the non one clicks, or just use the commands from the one clicks, just rename the .bat file to .txt open it and copy and paste each command in adb.
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baddoor said:
will it matter with this unlock method what software i got? i noticed people on the replies of the first link that they're 1.85 , im 1.73
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The unlock method (either one click, or the hex edit) can only be performed on 1.73 and 1.82, since it requires root. If you RUU to 1.85, you will lose root, and no root method exists on 1.85 unless your bootloader is unlocked, so you are stuck without root. After you get SuperCID, you can update to 1.85, if you like, then install root using CWM.
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How do i get ClockWorkMod on so i can backup my ROM onto my SD? And is it doable if I cant unlock my bootloader?
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CWM can only be installed with an unlocked bootloader. If your intent is just to backup the ROM itself, there is no need to. You can always flash the RUU to return to that version (but data wiped). And SuperCID should allow you to revert to older RUU versions, if you want to go back to 1.73. If you want to keep your data and settings, you can use this method: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1671746
Just got my Sensation back from repair, so now it's already on 4.03 ICS. I remember from before there was some discussion of the new HBOOT version not being about to S-off. However, HTC offers the unlock tool. Just wondering if it's a bad thing to do using their unlock tool or does it matter?
Look at the S-OFF guides for 1.2x.xxxx HBOOTs.
The wire trick is a pain but does work.
EDIT: meant to say that I believe you don't need the HTC unlock thing now. I used it but......
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Just got my Sensation back from repair, so now it's already on 4.03 ICS. I remember from before there was some discussion of the new HBOOT version not being about to S-off. However, HTC offers the unlock tool. Just wondering if it's a bad thing to do using their unlock tool or does it matter?
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S-OFF and htcdev tool are two different things
htcdev tool only disables write protection on recovery partition - allowing you to flash custom recovery.
S-OFF unlocks all partitions including boot partition which means you can flash ROMs without flashing boot.img manually or needing to have 4EXT SmartSync on.
In short the htcdev tool is misnamed because it does not unlock the bootloader - only unlocks recovery
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In short the htcdev tool is misnamed because it does not unlock the bootloader - only unlocks recovery
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only recovery ? isn't it recovery,system,boot and data partitions ?
ganeshp said:
only recovery ? isn't it recovery,system,boot and data partitions ?
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Boot partition? no because you have to manually flash a boot.img with htcdev
system partition write protection is controlled by the OS and disabled by rooting - rooting allows the end user to give certain programs write permission. As to whether the recovery can access system and data partitions without unlocking the bootloader, I believe it can because stock recovery can overwrite system and data using OTA files controlled by a similar updater-script that we use in custom ROMs
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Boot partition? no because you have to manually flash a boot.img with htcdev
system partition write protection is controlled by the OS and disabled by rooting - rooting allows the end user to give certain programs write permission. As to whether the recovery can access system and data partitions without unlocking the bootloader, I believe it can because stock recovery can overwrite system and data using OTA files controlled by a similar updater-script that we use in custom ROMs
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If boot partition is locked then you can't even flash boot.img via bootloader using fastboot flash command.. I think it has some issue getting flashed from recovery.. That's all
First to get root itself you require write permission on system partition.. That means at the end you require system partition unlocked.
The stock recovery can only flash signed stuff.. Thus a signature check is made.. (at the end unlocking of partitions is nothing but removing sign checking of whatever we flash)
Iirc the FAQ of htc-dev mentioned about what partitions are unlocked.... And those are what I mentioned
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My friend have a HTC SENSATION ICS, S-ON, UNROOTED.
He installed custom work mod recovery and then root via CWM with S-ON (if you can believe that)
Now, when i`m trying to use juoponut bear S-OFF , controlbear.exe tell me that Second Backup failed ...... press any key to exit.
What i have to do?
You friend used HTCDev.com to unlock his bootloader and this is how he was able to install Clockwork Mod Recovery. But when you use HTC Dev it only unlocks the bootloader and gives you write permissions to the system partition, recovery partition, and the boot partition. It does not give you full S-OFF. Now if you want to S-OFF his device you will first have to undo the HTC Dev unlock. Now you can find instructions on how to do this at HTCDev.com. Once you have done this you can then use JuopunutBear to S-OFF hiIs device.
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You friend used HTCDev.com to unlock his bootloader and this is how he was able to install Clockwork Mod Recovery. But when you use HTC Dev it only unlocks the bootloader and gives you write permissions to the system partition, recovery partition, and the boot partition. It does not give you full S-OFF. Now if you want to S-OFF his device you will first have to undo the HTC Dev unlock. Now you can find instructions on how to do this at HTCDev.com. Once you have done this you can then use JuopunutBear to S-OFF hiIs device.
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I'm pretty sure the first version of jupuntobear needed htcdev unlock, so he may not need to relock
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Can I install a custom ROM without FULL S-OFF ? onyl htc dev unlocked
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Can I install a custom ROM without FULL S-OFF ? onyl htc dev unlocked
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Yes. Follow this guide.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1631861
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I'm pretty sure the first version of jupuntobear needed htcdev unlock, so he may not need to relock
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You are very correct, the first version of JuopunutBear required you to be HTC Dev unlocked. But the currentveraion does not require it. Now to the best of my knowledge you have to have a locked bootloader to use Juopunutbear to S-OFF.
At the OP, yes you can flash ROMs while still S-ON, but you can not flash radios, rule, splash screens, orfirmwares while you are only HTC Dev unlocked. The guide that was linked will walk you through how to flash while S-ON but just remember to use fasboot to flash theboot.img or use 4EXT Recovery and enable Smart Flash.
Hi there,
just got a One X and wanted to install a custom Rom. Did bootloader unlock and installed TWRP with Toolkit. As I'm on Windows 8 I couldn't do the root part, if I'm not mistaken this is not needed and the custom ROM will be rooted anyway..? So TWRP installed successfully and I cleaned Cache but it doesn't start when i select recovery in HBOOT it stucks at the green HTC logo.. Is there any advice? Thanks in advance..
Edit: also just noticed that you did not root. You really need to do that before trying to install a ROM. I know you unlocked the boot loader but rooting is still needed to access system files. With out that, it is pointless. Find a Linux or windows 7 mention.
Better yet just run a live USB within Linux. That should work. Ooh, I wonder can you boot using your phone since it can be considered a mass storage device....probably not. Sorry off topic.
My guess is that windows 8 probably isn't reading your phone correctly. But you said you unlocked the boot loader. Try to manually install twrp
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Hi there,
just got a One X and wanted to install a custom Rom. Did bootloader unlock and installed TWRP with Toolkit. As I'm on Windows 8 I couldn't do the root part, if I'm not mistaken this is not needed and the custom ROM will be rooted anyway..? So TWRP installed successfully and I cleaned Cache but it doesn't start when i select recovery in HBOOT it stucks at the green HTC logo.. Is there any advice? Thanks in advance..
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Just download the latest HTC sync from HTC website and it Will install drivers you need, you can then leave sync or uninstall it and drivers will remain.
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How are you going to access twrp if you do not have root and super user?
Good luck with that.
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If the bootloader is unlocked, there's no need to root. They are independent of each other.
Check md5 on your recovery file and reflash. Then do fastboot erase cache and try going to recovery.
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I thought unlocking the BL and root was co-dependant. You can root but can't install ROMs until the BL is unlocked. Or you could unlock boot loader but can't touch system files until you gain root access.
Or did I miss understand? Which is why rooting alone nor unlocking the BL alone is not the only step in installing a ROM.
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I thought unlocking the BL and root was co-dependant. You can root but can't install ROMs until the BL is unlocked. Or you could unlock boot loader but can't touch system files until you gain root access.
Or did I miss understand? Which is why rooting alone nor unlocking the BL alone is not the only step in installing a ROM.
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I will explain further.
For ATT One XL root was needed prior to unlocking the bootloader to allow you to write to system files(which is no longer possible as of 3.18), and be able to change the CID in order to allow HTCDEV to provide the Unlock_code.bin to unlock your bootloader. This is probably where your confusion stems.
IF, like every other carrier, ATT allowed you to unlock the bootloader, you would not need to have rooted to be able to unlock your bootloader, you could have just unlocked it and then flashed TWRP. At that point you could flash a rooted rom or allow TWRP to root your rom for you. (For some rom versions, I believe anything under 3.18)
Hope this cleared some stuff up for you! :good:
Ah makes perfect since now. Darn AT&T and their lock downs.
So basically Rogers and Telstra can root just by unlocking and that's it. No exploit needed. And of course flashing twrp and a rom
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Ah makes perfect since now. Darn AT&T and their lock downs.
So basically Rogers and Telstra can root just by unlocking and that's it. No exploit needed.
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Correct!