All the bloatware removal tools freeze apps, rather than uninstalling. Is there a reason why?
Paul22000 said:
All the bloatware removal tools freeze apps, rather than uninstalling. Is there a reason why?
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They were really for temp root when we couldn't remove the apps.
digiholic said:
They were really for temp root when we couldn't remove the apps.
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Why do people still suggest freezing now that there is permanent root?
Because it's a failsafe if the frozen bloat item causes an issue, then just unfreeze it. But, if you know the bloat item will not cause an issue then just uninstall it. Some of the old temp root threads recommended what was safe to remove...
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Even though the phone cones standard with almost every Google application it you can uninstall most of these application. With no root needed to free up space on the internal memory. You can not delete the games that come preliaded though.
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Can you clarify your what you're saying? It doesn't make much sense.
Are you claiming you can remove all apps that ship pre-installed except the games?
And please be specific to which applications you can permanently delete and what apps you cannot. It would be much appreciated.
I'm sure he's talking about gapps. Since google put there apps on the market for easy updating. no way tmo gone make it easy to remove there bloat ware
TitaniumBackup freeze
You can use TitaniumBackup donate version's freeze function for those apps you want to disable and unlist such as amazonmp3.
ovm said:
You can use TitaniumBackup donate version's freeze function for those apps you want to disable and unlist such as amazonmp3.
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How's that going to work if/when you reboot?
floepie said:
How's that going to work if/when you reboot?
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You need to have the root access to completely remove them else you will not be able to remove them completely.
vikramdhani said:
You need to have the root access to completely remove them else you will not be able to remove them completely.
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Say that again?
The way I understand it is that with no real root access and therefore no real write access (and therefore delete access) to /system, you cannot delete apps off of the system partition, as they will reappear after reboot. Freezing apps by Titanium simply removes them from some sort of app database so they don't appear in the app drawer and cannot start at any time, although they do remain linked to the market and remain in the data partition so as to be unfrozen at any time.
Correct if wrong. I don't see a way to delete apps at this time, and I'm wondering how the freeze will work after a reboot.
floepie said:
Say that again?
The way I understand it is that with no real root access and therefore no real write access (and therefore delete access) to /system, you cannot delete apps off of the system partition, as they will reappear after reboot. Freezing apps by Titanium simply removes them from some sort of app database so they don't appear in the app drawer and cannot start at any time, although they do remain linked to the market and remain in the data partition so as to be unfrozen at any time.
Correct if wrong. I don't see a way to delete apps at this time, and I'm wondering how the freeze will work after a reboot.
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You are correct till we don't have the root access all the methods will be temp and you will see the apps coming back after a reboot. i know it sucks but this is how it is with the phones these days.
the only good thing is that these apps don't bother me because they are not bogging the phone down
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=809231
borodin1 said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=809231
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That's exactly what TB does when it freezes an app. So, I suppose it works and survives a reboot?
floepie said:
That's exactly what TB does when it freezes an app. So, I suppose it works and survives a reboot?
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Yes, it does. I'm a bit old school so I like to do stuff manually (unless it's super complicated of course). The best thing about this method is that you can just disable/enable packages as you please.
One thing to consider is those that did completely remove Google Goggles from their G2 had problems with OTA. Disabling/freezing apps is a way to avoid that.
borodin1 said:
Yes, it does. I'm a bit old school so I like to do stuff manually (unless it's super complicated of course). The best thing about this method is that you can just disable/enable packages as you please.
One thing to consider is those that did completely remove Google Goggles from their G2 had problems with OTA. Disabling/freezing apps is a way to avoid that.
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I suppose this works because the writes go to the data partition?
floepie said:
I suppose this works because the writes go to the data partition?
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100% correct. Eventhough .apk file is stored in /system/app, all the settings and data for the said app are in /data/app and data/dalvik-cache which is in fact rw.
borodin1 said:
100% correct. Eventhough .apk file is stored in /system/app, all the settings and data for the said app are in /data/app and data/dalvik-cache which is in fact rw.
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I can confirm that removing games or whatever is permanent. Removed demo version of asphalt and peep and some tmobile stuff, it is gone and hasn't come back even after factory reset. Hope this doesn't interfere with update.
Did you do this in Settings? If so, T-Mo decided that they would allow that, so I'm sure that it wouldn't prevent from an OTA upgrade.
The free version of Titanium Back now has the option to delete apps permanently.
pdxmatts said:
The free version of Titanium Back now has the option to delete apps permanently.
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does it allow preinstalled apps to be deleted as well ?
kamasi36 said:
I can confirm that removing games or whatever is permanent. Removed demo version of asphalt and peep and some tmobile stuff, it is gone and hasn't come back even after factory reset. Hope this doesn't interfere with update.
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Is there a way to reinstall the full versions without it asking to replace a system app?
If I deleted amazon, and the demos that came with the phone with a temp root using titanium backup will I be able to receive OTA's on the future? Or on order to receive OTA's u need to be completely stock?
just curious as I hear you cant move apps to the SD card. which wont be such a big deal if I can remove some of the existing junk put on there by samsung and increase the space available.
or have I missed something obvious.
If rooted, you should be able to use Titanium Pro to remove anything you don't want.
Place all questions in the Q&A section, thanks
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ok cool, thats what i was hoping, thanks
I would freeze the app instead of uninstalling unless you are 100% sure what the app is
anybody got a list of bloatware thats safe to remove
anybody got a list of bloatware thats safe to remove?
themango said:
anybody got a list of bloatware thats safe to remove?
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this is actually the question that should be asked...if I remove the wrong software, what's the worst thing could happen to my tab?
i had removed all the samsung 'hub' apps couple of weeks ago and havent had any problems...
This is the link for you to help to decide uninstalling system apps:
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1487073
Does anyone know what happens when you uninstall titanium backup and you have apps frozen?
They should remain frozen. Frozen is really just a name given to what TB and other similar apps do, in order to remove their visibility. Otherwise, you'd have to have a TB service continually running in the background to keep them hidden which is obviously terrible.
You'll obviously have no way to "unfreeze" them as well. Additionally then, there is no guarantee that you can unfreeze them if you re install. Depends on how TB stores the references and if you don't clear data when you uninstall.
I definitely wouldn't suggest uninstalling TB if you used it to freeze apps.
Maverick0984 said:
They should remain frozen. Frozen is really just a name given to what TB and other similar apps do, in order to remove their visibility. Otherwise, you'd have to have a TB service continually running in the background to keep them hidden which is obviously terrible.
You'll obviously have no way to "unfreeze" them as well. Additionally then, there is no guarantee that you can unfreeze them if you re install. Depends on how TB stores the references and if you don't clear data when you uninstall.
I definitely wouldn't suggest uninstalling TB if you used it to freeze apps.
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As long as you used the post ICS freeze in TiBu... You can unfreeze it in Settings > Apps...
There is a disable button that becomes enable once its been frozen
emerica243 said:
Does anyone know what happens when you uninstall titanium backup and you have apps frozen?
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Hi all. Quick question; searched and didn't find a response. So...
There are a few Google apps I'd really like to lose. Namely Play Books, Play Movies/TV, Play Newstand, and Play Games. I'm never going to use them, so I'd just as soon uninstall them. My question is can I uninstall these through Titanium Backup or are they crucial system apps that I should just leave alone and learn to live with?
Thanks!
You can deactivate them in settings -> apps. You will not gain more storage, but the apps will disappear. They can be enabled again of course
experience7 said:
You can deactivate them in settings -> apps. You will not gain more storage, but the apps will disappear. They can be enabled again of course
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I freeze every one of those apps with Titanium backup every time I install gaaps or return to stock. No issues with them frozen on N5 at all.
experience7 said:
You can deactivate them in settings -> apps. You will not gain more storage, but the apps will disappear. They can be enabled again of course
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I never thought about that. Thanks! :highfive: I feel so dumb...
Well, I don't see any advantage in freezing them with TiBa. Of course it works flawlessly, but my method also does plus you don't need a third-party app
Actually, all deactivating them in Apps does is uninstall the updates. They're still there.
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Well, I don't see any advantage in freezing them with TiBa. Of course it works flawlessly, but my method also does plus you don't need a third-party app
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The advantage in freezing them is you retain the ability to take OTA updates without reflashing system.
Jason_MCG said:
Actually, all deactivating them in Apps does is uninstall the updates. They're still there.
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Titanium Backup is worth the price. The UI is terrible. Still can't find a replacement I'm happy with.
experience7 said:
Well, I don't see any advantage in freezing them with TiBa. Of course it works flawlessly, but my method also does plus you don't need a third-party app
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I would think most people who are active on these threads chose a nexus for ease of changing ROMS. I would lose my mind doing that without the pro version of TiBu. Have it anyway so used it. Also, freeze is nice because I can quickly thaw out a memory hog program, use it as I need to and then quickly refreeze it with all data in tact.
Aerowinder said:
The advantage in freezing them is you retain the ability to take OTA updates without reflashing system.
Titanium Backup is worth the price. The UI is terrible. Still can't find a replacement I'm happy with.
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Of course it is - bought it years ago.
You can delete any app with the full version of Titanium Backup.
But I'm pretty sure that you can disable them like I mentioned above and still receive OTA's Am I wrong?
I have a phone which has been rooted due to a problem I encountered where I had to flash and re-install my Android thl5000 device. I have the ultimate v3 on it. It was fine until I again installed a dodgy application where I had to try to remove it via an anti-malware app. Out of my curiosity one of those applications was the cheetah and Go Security anti-malware app.
I searched the forum and could not find a similar issue.
Now all the anti-malware and anti-virus applications I have installed do not detect any malware on my phone. I have the stubborn trojan removal software which I also have used and still it has not detected anything. I have a web anti-virus security which has not detected any problem with my phone.
My problem is I have 3 applications that as a result of my lack of wisdom keep re-installing themselves upon bootup.
'Android is optimizing 1 of 3 apps'
When my phone loads up I have 3 applications (which can be uninstalled without a problem apparently).
they are
"Go Security"
"Superb Cleaner"
"Ace Cleaner"
I have messaged the developers in their apps and they have not responded, once or twice the Go Dev for 'Go Security ' team got back to me about trying to help me permanently remove it but after several attempts of clearing the cache, the removing from google play and doing the same removal from safe mode and even trying from the root to find similar looking files, there seems to be no way to remove whatever is causing their re-installation.
The only application I have found that identifies the applications as low reputation apps is Sophos.
I will try the hummingbird application that someone suggested in another thread in the XDA assist ... hummingbad-malware-android-t3484704 .
It could be there is malware hidden behind these applications and I want to find the source of this and remove it. I am not sure how. I have a USB cable, I have mtk droid tools I think on my laptop, I have my phone on developer options.
When I uninstall the applications there seems to be no installation, either this is fake or it uninstalls part of the program and upon reboot calls the apk file responsible which is hidden deep in the phone.
In safe mode and all the other techniques I have not found a solution yet. On google there is a bit but nothing about this specific case and its source.
Any thoughts for those with a bit of experience would be grateful, I will also post this same post in the Sophos Security forum to see if their experts can offer any thoughts, in case anyone else has the same problem as me.
Harry
Harry Georgiou said:
I have a phone which has been rooted due to a problem I encountered where I had to flash and re-install my Android thl5000 device. I have the ultimate v3 on it. It was fine until I again installed a dodgy application where I had to try to remove it via an anti-malware app. Out of my curiosity one of those applications was the cheetah and Go Security anti-malware app.
I searched the forum and could not find a similar issue.
Now all the anti-malware and anti-virus applications I have installed do not detect any malware on my phone. I have the stubborn trojan removal software which I also have used and still it has not detected anything. I have a web anti-virus security which has not detected any problem with my phone.
My problem is I have 3 applications that as a result of my lack of wisdom keep re-installing themselves upon bootup.
'Android is optimizing 1 of 3 apps'
When my phone loads up I have 3 applications (which can be uninstalled without a problem apparently).
they are
"Go Security"
"Superb Cleaner"
"Ace Cleaner"
I have messaged the developers in their apps and they have not responded, once or twice the Go Dev for 'Go Security ' team got back to me about trying to help me permanently remove it but after several attempts of clearing the cache, the removing from google play and doing the same removal from safe mode and even trying from the root to find similar looking files, there seems to be no way to remove whatever is causing their re-installation.
The only application I have found that identifies the applications as low reputation apps is Sophos.
I will try the hummingbird application that someone suggested in another thread in the XDA assist ... hummingbad-malware-android-t3484704 .
It could be there is malware hidden behind these applications and I want to find the source of this and remove it. I am not sure how. I have a USB cable, I have mtk droid tools I think on my laptop, I have my phone on developer options.
When I uninstall the applications there seems to be no installation, either this is fake or it uninstalls part of the program and upon reboot calls the apk file responsible which is hidden deep in the phone.
In safe mode and all the other techniques I have not found a solution yet. On google there is a bit but nothing about this specific case and its source.
Any thoughts for those with a bit of experience would be grateful, I will also post this same post in the Sophos Security forum to see if their experts can offer any thoughts, in case anyone else has the same problem as me.
Harry
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Greetings and welcome to assist. If you just want to remove those apps then there are a couple of very simple ways while you have root. You could just delete the apps with a root browser but the easiest would be to use titanium backup or anything similar to remove the apps
Good Luck
Sawdoctor
sawdoctor said:
Greetings and welcome to assist. If you just want to remove those apps then there are a couple of very simple ways while you have root. You could just delete the apps with a root browser but the easiest would be to use titanium backup or anything similar to remove the apps
Good Luck
Sawdoctor
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Titanium backup was able to uninstall the applications just like the other methods of uninstallation but after rebooting my phone the 3 applications re-install themselves.
Any other thoughts?
Harry Georgiou said:
Titanium backup was able to uninstall the applications just like the other methods of uninstallation but after rebooting my phone the 3 applications re-install themselves.
Any other thoughts?
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Have you tried to freeze them instead? If you actually know the package names it's easy to delete them with root browser
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sawdoctor said:
Have you tried to freeze them instead? If you actually know the package names it's easy to delete them with root browser
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How do you mean freeze them?
What do you recommend? They cannot be force stopped, only uninstalled.
Harry Georgiou said:
How do you mean freeze them?
What do you recommend? They cannot be force stopped, only uninstalled.
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I just checked Titanium Backup to see if that is what you mean and realised you meant that.
I just checked and it said they can only be frozen in the version you pay/donate money for.
Any other way?
How to I isolate what causes them to be started up in the first place, like using MTK droid tools or something? What command is set by what program to call them to be installed so as to track down the culprit and file causing this problem.
It would help me and others who know not how to deal with it.
Harry
Harry Georgiou said:
How do you mean freeze them?
What do you recommend? They cannot be force stopped, only uninstalled.
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If you have root then their is an option in titanium backup to freeze the apps rather than uninstall them. This will prevent the app from starting
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If you have root then their is an option in titanium backup to freeze the apps rather than uninstall them. This will prevent the app from starting
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This is only available for the paid version. I tried it and I have root access since I allowed Titanium backup to have root facilities with SU User
Any thoughts?
Also how do I find out the reason they are starting up in the first place?
I can simply ignore them after uninstalling hoping my phone does not restart but this does not solve the issue at its core.
Any thoughts?
Harry Georgiou said:
This is only available for the paid version. I tried it and I have root access since I allowed Titanium backup to have root facilities with SU User
Any thoughts?
Also how do I find out the reason they are starting up in the first place?
I can simply ignore them after uninstalling hoping my phone does not restart but this does not solve the issue at its core.
Any thoughts?
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The android is upgrading message is probably because the apps have not been removed properly thats all so no do not worry its normal. Using titanium backup you should be able to find the actual name of the app and then actually delete them with a root browser. You can try similar apps to titanium back up like rom toolbox, package disabler or 3c toolbox to see if they can uninstall them or freeze them. It is a very easy thing to fix when you have the phone in front of you but harder to talk you through it unfortunately
sawdoctor said:
The android is upgrading message is probably because the apps have not been removed properly thats all so no do not worry its normal. Using titanium backup you should be able to find the actual name of the app and then actually delete them with a root browser. You can try similar apps to titanium back up like rom toolbox, package disabler or 3c toolbox to see if they can uninstall them or freeze them. It is a very easy thing to fix when you have the phone in front of you but harder to talk you through it unfortunately
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Thanks,
I will try the applications you have suggested.
So far Root explorer does not really identify them apart from various folders, Titanium backup does not freeze them unless I donate money.... I would like to but kind of thinking having a limited budget long term to try to scrimp and save here and there.
Will try
Rom toolbox
Package Disabler
3c toolbox
I will let you know how it goes and other options, on top of that what else could I do?
Is there a way to dig deep down in the system and identify the different commands that the system calls up to bring them into installation?
Harry