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[Q] TeamGalaxySense progress?

Does anyone know how #TeamGalaxySense's project is going, ever since they stopped the thread no one has really heard anything from them. Just wanna know how it is going

per a post I saw on Androidguys.com they have sense installed and it boots. They expect to release a beta in the next few weeks. I'm quite surprised they have gotten so far so quickly. :up:

It's weird how we desire something just because we don't have it. Example...I was researching ROMs for my girlfriends EVO 4G (ended up with CM 6.1) and I came across a ROM for the EVO that has Touchwiz. I couldn't figure why the hell anyone would want TW on an EVO, and yet here we are wanting Sense for our Captivates, when all the HTC people seem to be interested in getting rid of it.

i want the fancy color wallpaper

gunnyman said:
per a post I saw on Androidguys.com they have sense installed and it boots. They expect to release a beta in the next few weeks. I'm quite surprised they have gotten so far so quickly. :up:
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And was this for the Captivate...?
I know that the team is for all Galaxy S phones but it started with the Epic 4G. So just wondering

sold1erjjt said:
And was this for the Captivate...?
I know that the team is for all Galaxy S phones but it started with the Epic 4G. So just wondering
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yeah Captivate and vibrant will be 1st

[Q] Anyone know if CM7 (or any stock-based mod) is in the works?

I've had the G1, MyTouch 3G, Incredible, Droid X, Nexus S, G2, Thunderbolt, and now the Charge --- and by far, the Charge has the ugliest built-in theme (brown/orange) I have ever seen on any phone and not to mention the tons of Verizon/Samsung bloatware, though the latter can be fixed by rooting it.
Don't get me wrong - I love my DC for a ton of reasons and am holding on to it, but I am desperately hoping there will be some form Gingerbread (preferably CM7) that remains as close as possible to stock anytime soon. Anyone know if something like this is in the works?

kcellb said:
I've had the G1, MyTouch 3G, Incredible, Droid X, Nexus S, G2, Thunderbolt, and now the Charge --- and by far, the Charge has the ugliest built-in theme (brown/orange) I have ever seen on any phone and not to mention the tons of Verizon/Samsung bloatware, though the latter can be fixed by rooting it.
Don't get me wrong - I love my DC for a ton of reasons and am holding on to it, but I am desperately hoping there will be some form Gingerbread (preferably CM7) that remains as close as possible to stock anytime soon. Anyone know if something like this is in the works?
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while anything is possible...and im not saying this to be a jerk, just a realist...its extremely unlikely the charge will ever see an extremely functional cm7 or aosp
its taken months for the fascinate to have anything resembling working aosp and even now there are issues (mms, camcorder) that may never be worked out due to samsungs incomplete/lousy source
through lte/cdma hybrid ril in there, and the lack of devs who worked on aosp for the fasciante...and thats just a death sentence really for aosp
now im pretty certain this phone will get gingerbread from samsung/verizon...i mean 1. its in the droid line which means something and 2. its brand new now and id find it hard to see it not get it
when that is? who knows...but theres that to look forward to at some point

I see your point and you're exactly right, especially when the GS2 may be here in about 2~4 months. Well what ever the dev can work out for us I'll welcome it. All I need is a super clean ROM and voodoo on the Charge lol
Hey I can dream right?

Poloasis said:
I see your point and you're exactly right, especially when the GS2 may be here in about 2~4 months. Well what ever the dev can work out for us I'll welcome it. All I need is a super clean ROM and voodoo on the Charge lol
Hey I can dream right?
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it looks like imnuts is getting closer to his goal to buy a charge....so im sure you ll have ext4 kernels, and clean roms soon enough

Just got a Charge for my daughter. Nice phone. May finally upgrade my CM7 OG Droid, but haven't made up my mind. Still kinda waiting on SGS2. I would love to be able to put a stock ROM on her phone though. The bloat is amazing.

[Q} cyanogenmod?

Does anyone know if cyanogen will ever come to the charge? I've seen rumors and and some threads but nothing concrete

Development is for releases of ROMs/Kernels/Mods/etc not to start threads and ask questions. Also, I'm sure no one would mind if you started working on it yourself...

imnuts said:
Development is for releases of ROMs/Kernels/Mods/etc not to start threads and ask questions. Also, I'm sure no one would mind if you started working on it yourself...
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that was too funny

imnuts said:
Development is for releases of ROMs/Kernels/Mods/etc not to start threads and ask questions. Also, I'm sure no one would mind if you started working on it yourself...
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PWNED
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Since nobody wants to give you a straight up response, having been using a Fascinate from the beginning, based on that cycle, it is probably a year out if I had to guess. That's if people are actively working on it I suppose. We just now got it working well on the Fascinate...look at the Fascinate launch date, make a few assumptions, and do the math. Unless something huge happens I would expect it to be a long time, if ever. The one saving grace for this phone is probably its similarities to many other phones like the GalaxyS line and NexusS. Nobody knows when.

Likes the poster above me said, there's no definitive information. I'd say that's the worst thing about the Charge. Not the low RAM or the lack of official GB it's just not a huge scene. Look @ the Galaxy S2, not even released in the U.S. and it's already got Cyanogen. Kind of sad to see such a beautiful phone not getting the attention it deserves.

I'm not expecting much in the way of Charge development. I kind of knew when i got it as a replacement for the fascinate that it was a holdover till March (my 20 month upgrade eligibility). At least i got a better camera, front camera and LTE for real nice chatting video.

orateam said:
I'm not expecting much in the way of Charge development. I kind of knew when i got it as a replacement for the fascinate that it was a holdover till March (my 20 month upgrade eligibility). At least i got a better camera, front camera and LTE for real nice chatting video.
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We hopefully have omfgb coming soon . I cant wait for AOSP.
Droid Charge/Humble 1.42/PBJ OTB 1.4ghz

bobthesalesclerk said:
We hopefully have omfgb coming soon . I cant wait for AOSP.
Droid Charge/Humble 1.42/PBJ OTB 1.4ghz
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That would be nice for sure.

blarrick said:
Likes the poster above me said, there's no definitive information. I'd say that's the worst thing about the Charge. Not the low RAM or the lack of official GB it's just not a huge scene. Look @ the Galaxy S2, not even released in the U.S. and it's already got Cyanogen. Kind of sad to see such a beautiful phone not getting the attention it deserves.
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Galaxy S2 got Cyanogen first because Samsung sent a phone to one of the devs a few months back.

I love my Charge! Came from the Fascinate and had plenty of time to try out CM7. The GPS on the charge is lightning fast right out of the box, touchwiz camera and video player are by far the best available. CM7 definitely offers more control, but the TW camera alone is enough to make me stay.
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i think i read samsung sent 4 phones to the guys at cyanogen mod.
that's pretty amazing if you ask me, to get support from such a major manufacturer.

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Galaxy S2 got Cyanogen first because Samsung sent a phone to one of the devs a few months back.
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While true, that should make everyone feel even worse about the dev scene for our phone (that the manufacturer cares enough to get dev for one of their phones but not the one we have).
That said, I've never had a phone with CM. I'm completely happy with the stuff put out by Danalo, Nitro, and I'm sure I'll like kejar's stuff whenever I try it out.

BleedsOrangeandBlue said:
While true, that should make everyone feel even worse about the dev scene for our phone (that the manufacturer cares enough to get dev for one of their phones but not the one we have).
That said, I've never had a phone with CM. I'm completely happy with the stuff put out by Danalo, Nitro, and I'm sure I'll like kejar's stuff whenever I try it out.
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I can tell you when CM7 for the Fascinate got stable and MMS finally got fixed, o tried it out, and compared to all the other Touchwiz based roms, its ridiculously fast. The BML/MTD implementation is above and beyond any TW deodexed, debloated, voodoo ext4 type of rom. That's not to discredit those roms, but a stable CM build with a good kernel literally turned my Fascinate into a whole new device more than a year into its life.

It's laughable at this point.

ICS has also now been ported and boots up on the Droid 3 lol. Great work to Hashcode for getting it going!
http://hash-of-codes.blogspot.com/2011/11/you-got-your-ice-cream-on-my-droid-3-no.html

Well, it is a 3G phone, so there shouldn't be issues getting the radios working. I do find it amusing the type of the support these cheesy phones get though.
I don't want to get off topic, but I am curious what sort of CIQ and other potential spyware has been implemented in ICS. It seems a good opportunity for Google to embed CIQ deep within the framework, but alas, who knows.
The main two features of ICS that I think I would like, but don't need, is USB OTG and WiFi Direct.

spc_hicks09 said:
ICS has also now been ported and boots up on the Droid 3 lol. Great work to Hashcode for getting it going!
http://hash-of-codes.blogspot.com/2011/11/you-got-your-ice-cream-on-my-droid-3-no.html
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Smh we will never see it

I keep hearing we won't have ics because we have a 4g phone but the bionic just got ics port... Maybe we still have hope?
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mikehal38 said:
I keep hearing we won't have ics because we have a 4g phone but the bionic just got ics port... Maybe we still have hope?
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Very good point!!!!

I'm one person, would you rather have me work on getting a good ROM out based on stock TW, or go to work on what may never be a fully functional AOSP build? If you want it so bad, no one here is going to stop you from taking up the work on your own...

imnuts said:
I'm one person, would you rather have me work on getting a good ROM out based on stock TW, or go to work on what may never be a fully functional AOSP build? If you want it so bad, no one here is going to stop you from taking up the work on your own...
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Don't do it because of us! Do what you enjoy doing and share with us because your proud of your work.
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imnuts said:
I'm one person, would you rather have me work on getting a good ROM out based on stock TW, or go to work on what may never be a fully functional AOSP build? If you want it so bad, no one here is going to stop you from taking up the work on your own...
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You already know. Yes, we are eager for ICS/CM7.1/CM7.2/CM9...and everything under the sun that a working RIL would enable us. But, having said that, I think the vast majority of us place FUNCTION in front of FEATURES.
We, Android enthusists with the skills to flash but not actually dev, are like children and will never be satisfied. We need a healthy meal, but are going to whine to have candy for dinner every night. As a dev, you're more similar to our parent in this metaphor... Don't take it personally when we metaphorically say we hate you--we don't. We love you. We need your help to eat at all, so make sure it's the best meal you can provide.
Besides, if the RIL never comes, who bought this phone for Ice Cream Sandwich anyway? I bought this phone for 4G.

imnuts said:
I'm one person, would you rather have me work on getting a good ROM out based on stock TW, or go to work on what may never be a fully functional AOSP build? If you want it so bad, no one here is going to stop you from taking up the work on your own...
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imnuts, please don't take my post or the title the wrong way. I am in now way at all saying anything bad about what you do for this phone. Your work is very highly regarded in my book. I was just pointing out how crazy it is with all these ICS ports coming out now. I can promise you that I am grateful for all the work you do for us.

If you want an AOSP ROM, you shouldn't buy a Samsung phone.
Twice bitten for me. Neither of my Samsung phones has had an AOSP ROM.

As a self-proclaimed nube, I am generally curious what advantages we would see on AOSP anyways.
Is there some super-spiffy amazing bad-ass feature that I don't know about?
Humble 5.0 is great for me. I will try Infinity if/when its ready.
ICS in particular has WiFi Direct and USB OTG as I mentioned above, which I assume that CM7 wouldn't enable.

xdadevnube said:
As a self-proclaimed nube, I am generally curious what advantages we would see on AOSP anyways.
Is there some super-spiffy amazing bad-ass feature that I don't know about?
Humble 5.0 is great for me. I will try Infinity if/when its ready.
ICS in particular has WiFi Direct and USB OTG as I mentioned above, which I assume that CM7 wouldn't enable.
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AOSP tends to offer a faster experience, and better battery life. It does this by not having any carrier or OEM bloat anywhere. There is a lot of stuff added on to the stock ROM that cannot be removed. To give you an idea, a heavily debloated TW ROM for the Fascinate is usually ~160MB, give or take, where as a stock AOSP ROM is <100MB for the same Android version, GB in this case. That would mean that even the best debloated/cleaned up TouchWiz ROM is still going to have about 40% more useless junk in it than a stock AOSP ROM, and that junk slows down the system and drains the battery.

mikehal38 said:
I keep hearing we won't have ics because we have a 4g phone but the bionic just got ics port... Maybe we still have hope?
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Bionic got ICS support because Kejar has a Bionic probably. I'm just glad we are on the eve of GB finally and that Imnuts and Imoseyon can get to business with some code.
Over the years around computers I've learned one thing, the next OS is always easier to use, easier to program in and what not, but it is always more complex and requires more hardware, more RAM and shortly after release the end user experience isn't all that much better than it was 6 months earlier. You should see DOS 5 run on a quad core monster processor - wow!

Droidianslip said:
Bionic got ICS support because Kejar has a Bionic probably. I'm just glad we are on the eve of GB finally and that Imnuts and Imoseyon can get to business with some code.
Over the years around computers I've learned one thing, the next OS is always easier to use, easier to program in and what not, but it is always more complex and requires more hardware, more RAM and shortly after release the end user experience isn't all that much better than it was 6 months earlier. You should see DOS 5 run on a quad core monster processor - wow!
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I agree with what you're saying mostly, but your post almost sounds like you expect Imnuts and Imoseyon to develop and post their work when they have zero obligation to develop and/or share any of their work in any way. If I wasn't so hard-pressed for cash, I would donate more to the devs. I will when I am able though.
One should also remember the short life cycle of smartphones. I am already looking forward to the Galaxy S III mostly for the display- SAMOLED III.
Also, I would like to be able to watch 480p Flash content in the browser without having to overclock, hopefully 720p Flash in the browser with the GS3.
Of course I would like my Charge to blaze along at its maximum potential, but there is a thin line between spending and wasting time on dated hardware. If you want the the best experience on a device, then it would be best to buy older hardware that it well-developed, like the Fascinate. I am willing to sacrifice for the perks of the Charge, like the SAMOLED+ display and 4G.

New to the MyTouch 4G Slide.

Hey guys,
My name is Josh. I am currently an active member over in the G2/Desire Z forums, however, I am now moving onto the MyTouch 4G Slide. I was recently offered one as a replacement for my G2 (as it has reached it's EoL.) I have read a lot of people saying not to make the change but I feel that it's time I move onto something with a faster cpu and more ram, plus, it's free. (I really want full sense 3.0 or Sense 3.5 like I am running on my G2) Now, the only thing I am regretting is that I will have to give up my lovely sense 3.5 and beats audio for a dulled down version of Sense 3.0. What I am getting to is... I want to learn as much as I can before my phone arrives on Monday and I would potentially like to move into the development world of the MT4GS. What is the status on current roms? I see that Unity works and that is exciting, however, I know it has many bugs. How can I work with you guys and the current devs to get this show on the road?

Read all the Blue6IX posts and guides.
His rom is outstanding!
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Well.... One of our *arguably* best next to kornyone(I can't say I agree or disagree because blue is doing amazing work) but definitely most active on here was banned for something xda felt worthy of a ban. . .
Anyways if you want to work with ALL the developers you'll want to talk to ZombieDog about working with him on Virtuous Unity fixed up.... He's working on giving all the problems.
He's over on the RootzWiki forums!
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Thanks guys for the responses, I CAN'T WAIT for unity. I already miss it on my G2 and I am still using it! Lol. Personally I would love to port the RCMix3D Sense 3.5 Runnymede rom. (What I have on my G2 now.) It is SO perfect and everything that I want in a rom.
I'll head on over to rootzwiki now. Thanks again for the info.

Daiskei said:
Thanks guys for the responses, I CAN'T WAIT for unity. I already miss it on my G2 and I am still using it! Lol. Personally I would love to port the RCMix3D Sense 3.5 Runnymede rom. (What I have on my G2 now.) It is SO perfect and everything that I want in a rom.
I'll head on over to rootzwiki now. Thanks again for the info.
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No worries, you might check out zombie dogs sense roms as well as blue's bulletproof here. There both awesome, I'm debating whether or not to play around with it blue s
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Josh - can't wait until you get your device - you'll love it.
Eagerly looking forward to another developers works in support of this awesome piece of tech!
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Blue6IX said:
Josh - can't wait until you get your device - you'll love it.
Eagerly looking forward to another developers works in support of this awesome piece of tech!
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I feel like its been said so much, and I'm one if the newer users of this device... patients is a virtue I guess.
Btw Josh: THIS GUYS AMAZING ^^^^^
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Another thing, since I am able to grab another few minutes to log in - you mentioned losing beats audio coming to this device.
I don't really know what it is, haven't read up on it or used it, but if you are interested in trying to port it to this device i'd be down for helping you do that.
That you have it, have it working on your current model phone and are familiar with it's use makes a world of difference - I know some people around here would love to see a project like that happen.
Feel free to get ahold of me if something like that interests you.
I'm happy to help with anything I can, so if you have any dev questions or want help getting oriented with the device once it's in your hands don't hesitate to ask - I'm sure you'll get up to speed on the particulars and quirks of the device pretty quickly either way.
Once ICS is ported back to the device, having devs interested in Sense is going to be important in my estimation - so I'm glad to see other people keeping it on their radar.
Check out Droidmoder's sticky at the top of the General section for a good reference to some of the threads you should read through.
Catch ya later
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Daiskei said:
Thanks guys for the responses, I CAN'T WAIT for unity. I already miss it on my G2 and I am still using it! Lol. Personally I would love to port the RCMix3D Sense 3.5 Runnymede rom. (What I have on my G2 now.) It is SO perfect and everything that I want in a rom.
I'll head on over to rootzwiki now. Thanks again for the info.
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Welcome! 3.5 sounds like a great thing to have!
Btw, is htc and tmo planning on releasing 3.5? I guess we would have seen a leaked beta already if so...
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Blue6IX said:
Another thing, since I am able to grab another few minutes to log in - you mentioned losing beats audio coming to this device.
I don't really know what it is, haven't read up on it or used it, but if you are interested in trying to port it to this device i'd be down for helping you do that.
That you have it, have it working on your current model phone and are familiar with it's use makes a world of difference - I know some people around here would love to see a project like that happen.
Feel free to get ahold of me if something like that interests you.
I'm happy to help with anything I can, so if you have any dev questions or want help getting oriented with the device once it's in your hands don't hesitate to ask - I'm sure you'll get up to speed on the particulars and quirks of the device pretty quickly either way.
Once ICS is ported back to the device, having devs interested in Sense is going to be important in my estimation - so I'm glad to see other people keeping it on their radar.
Check out Droidmoder's sticky at the top of the General section for a good reference to some of the threads you should read through.
Catch ya later
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Heya Blue6ix,
Good too hear from ya! It's great that this post has gotten so many awesome responses. Once I get my device, I'll get it rooted right away and start getting familiar with it. As far as beats audio goes, have you ever heard of Beats by Dr. Dre? The Headphones. They're pretty expensive. Lol. Anyway, basically... the Sensation XL came with Sense 3.5 and audio software for enhancing the beats headphones that came with it. Over in the G2 forums, the beats audio has been ported back to Sense 3.0 and is stock in all of the 3.5 roms.

Daiskei said:
Heya Blue6ix,
Good too hear from ya! It's great that this post has gotten so many awesome responses. Once I get my device, I'll get it rooted right away and start getting familiar with it. As far as beats audio goes, have you ever heard of Beats by Dr. Dre? The Headphones. They're pretty expensive. Lol. Anyway, basically... the Sensation XL came with Sense 3.5 and audio software for enhancing the beats headphones that came with it. Over in the G2 forums, the beats audio has been ported back to Sense 3.0 and is stock in all of the 3.5 roms.
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I don't know much about Beats - but I do know in the sensation forums they found the program code that tells the system the right headphones are plugged in, and figured out how to make it work for any headphones ... but that's pretty much all I know.
From what you are saying, it sounds like we could make this happen if there is interest in it. Not trying to push you into anything, but you said you were using it so it was something I thought worth mentioning.
I might actually recommend that you play with it for a few days before you root it - it's nice to know what it was like when it came stock, so you have an idea of what you are trying to keep and not.
If you want to dive into AOSP and focus on that, it doesn't matter what it came with - but if you want to develop stuff for Sense... the MySense that's on this device isn't really like other versions of Sense. Might wanna just have an idea of what it was like and what you want to change.
Take care, i'll be diving back into developing stuff tonight and don't forsee any other big breaks like yesterday and today in the near future.

Daiskei said:
Thanks guys for the responses, I CAN'T WAIT for unity. I already miss it on my G2 and I am still using it! Lol. Personally I would love to port the RCMix3D Sense 3.5 Runnymede rom. (What I have on my G2 now.) It is SO perfect and everything that I want in a rom.
I'll head on over to rootzwiki now. Thanks again for the info.
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Well we need someone to make a compatible Kernel...i think someone already had the ROM but without a compatible Kernel it won't boot...as much as Blue has been bowed he has done nothing much but change the dulled sense ROM...Undead does have a ICS hybrid and an AOSP....and Kornyone has an Alpha of CM7 but never released any fixes or stable kernel...I personally regret getting the slide...I was hoping I could of gotten the Sensation on my latest warranty exchange...there is just not much happening here...it's sad....it appears the physical keyboard phones are all DOA anymore in the dev world.
*ps* and I am in no way doubting any devs ability....just mostly what we have is either buggy or nothing much more than themed mysense....:

Lol - that is mostly accurate.
Short of tracing back ip addresses and showing up at someone's house to chain them to a computer until they produce something instead of just consuming... I don't know what else I can do to encourage people to dev for the device past documenting what I'm doing and how.
That's why I am excited to see someone else coming in with the intention of making something.
There is a lot more happening in Bulletproof then simple theming, though graphics is something I am spending time on at the moment.
I downloaded the 4.0.3 ICS release yesterday, as I'm sure a lot of others have as well. I don't intend to port it to this device at this time, but I am looking through the source code to familiarize myself with it.
I just am not interested in losing tv-out, the biggest problem with any AOSP build on this device.
I don't quite understand how a community built and maintained by developers has so many people with this device but no one really releasing anything - every time I log in the first thing I do is check the dev section to see if some crazy software package was released that wasn't talked about until release day.
The hardware that this device has is pretty impressive, the capabilities it offers are equally so, and as we keep making it faster and more efficient someone else will throw their hat in the ring... as the OP is intending .o
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Blue6IX said:
Lol - that is mostly accurate.
Short of tracing back ip addresses and showing up at someone's house to chain them to a computer until they produce something instead of just consuming... I don't know what else I can do to encourage people to dev for the device past documenting what I'm doing and how.
That's why I am excited to see someone else coming in with the intention of making something.
There is a lot more happening in Bulletproof then simple theming, though graphics is something I am spending time on at the moment.
I downloaded the 4.0.3 ICS release yesterday, as I'm sure a lot of others have as well. I don't intend to port it to this device at this time, but I am looking through the source code to familiarize myself with it.
I just am not interested in losing tv-out, the biggest problem with any AOSP build on this device.
I don't quite understand how a community built and maintained by developers has so many people with this device but no one really releasing anything - every time I log in the first thing I do is check the dev section to see if some crazy software package was released that wasn't talked about until release day.
The hardware that this device has is pretty impressive, the capabilities it offers are equally so, and as we keep making it faster and more efficient someone else will throw their hat in the ring... as the OP is intending .o
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Honestly Blue my guess is there are very few who can figure out the kernel side of dual core....without new functioning kernels there is not much that can be done here....i know there has been 2 sense 3.5 roms die for the same reason...well if you count Afinity 3....there is no compatible kernel....in fact the ONLY semi close to stable kernel is stock....wow who would of thought in a real of devs that would be the truth of things...if we had some actual coders here that could build a kernel we could see...3.5, real stable cm7 and possibly speed up cm9...MIUI (although why someone wants to turn their Android to an Iphone escapes me....maybe we all need to work on Kernel development....my mind is a little to straight forward to code fault tolerances and such...such...but I really think this is the major hold back here....do you agree Blue?...

I honestly hadn't read that far into it all.
I am taking my time trying to reach a community consensus on Bulletproof being bug free, stable and fast so I can get back into building kernels - I am trying to methodically answer everyone's call for overclock and undervolt before moving on to fix some things I feel are more important with kernel code.
Bulletproof is very specifically being designed as a shell to test kernels in, anything else people find use for it is just a bonus.
Is a lack of stable, working kernels really the issue?
I've already compiled a few kernels over the last 3 weeks and have been doing some general testing on my end privately - do you and others feel my time would be better spent focusing on that more fully, instead of trying to write tutorials on how to dev ROM stuff?
I could have Bulletproof ready for preliminary testing by mid-week and probably start pumping out the series of overclock kernels I described a while ago in Roman's kernel thread by next weekend.
If others are willing to sit down to build and support ROMs, I could drop everything else and focus on supplying kernels ( at the expense of as-yet unwritten tutorials).
I said before, and still am interested in working with other devs to supply them with kernels.
If splitting the load and me doing that while others handled the ROM side of it will speed up or increase development for the device, I'm down.
I never had any real-life computer friends, half the people I call friend off-line don't even own a computer, so my whole life if I wanted something to happen I had to do it myself or it didn't happen. I am equally capable of doing just about any aspect of dev, the pieces I'm missing I pick up quick because of my general range of knowledge.
I thought hammering out a stable ROM was where I should be focusing my attention, so I've been taking my time to do so. You can track my dev work on this phone all the way back, starting with the app reference...into the GPS work...and so on forward as doing what was needed most at the time.
If focusing my time on writing kernels and supplying other devs with working, stable kernels cooked up on a request basis for functionality will allow other devs to produce ROM choices - I'll be happy to do so.
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Don't mean to hijack your thread, Daiskei, but I suppose this does help and tie in to your announcement of coming over here to dev with/for us.
I am not familiar with your work, am new to Android, and the MT4GS is my first smart phone ( second device ). Would me focusing more fully on kernels allow you to spend time developing ROMs?
Help me help you, how can we work best together to accomplish more in less time?
I prefer quality to speed - but efficiency increases speed without a reduction in quality.
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The one problem with kernel development is you can't decompile it and see how it works or what's been done - so you basically have to know what you are doing and start from scratch. That's why we had to wait for source from HTC.
I can handle this side of it if that's what's needed, I can manage the complicated task of dual core, and am willing to work with anyone who wants to build on it.
The idea of working pretty strictly on kernels appeals to me - so let me know and that's what I'll do.
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Blue6IX said:
The one problem with kernel development is you can't decompile it and see how it works or what's been done - so you basically have to know what you are doing and start from scratch. That's why we had to wait for source from HTC.
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Actually, I think the biggest problem with kernel development is you can't really test it unless it's on a device. Or, at least, that's my opinion.
If you're talking about building the stock linux kernel, it's very easy to build one and test it on a PC. If something goes wrong, it's pretty easy to grab the physical hardware and see where the fault lies. It's just not as easy to pull a HD and look at logs on a phone.

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Actually, I think the biggest problem with kernel development is you can't really test it unless it's on a device. Or, at least, that's my opinion.
If you're talking about building the stock linux kernel, it's very easy to build one and test it on a PC. If something goes wrong, it's pretty easy to grab the physical hardware and see where the fault lies. It's just not as easy to pull a HD and look at logs on a phone.
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Touche -
Assuming one has a device, though, they basically have to start with HTC kernel source and work up from there - you would have to edit in your own changes.
The only other option would be to find a repo to sync with where someone has built a kernel for the device and uploaded their changes pre-compile. I don't know anyone who has a public repo with modified kernel sources for this device specifically.

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The idea of working pretty strictly on kernels appeals to me - so let me know and that's what I'll do.
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That's honestly what we need IMHO. You can do whatever possible to a ROM, until out device has a nice kernel for it, the roms will all be virtually the same.
With the right kernel on my mt4g I could pull 30 hours of stock battery use. Still stock clock, it's just coded right. Thanks to TheDerekJay. You should pm him I'm sure he'll be glad to assist any question you might have... He's simply AMAZING
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Thanks, that's helpful.
I know enough where the learning curve isn't too steep, I can compile and have working kernels when i'm done & have previous CPU clock experience and worked with dual-core theory in the past - but i'm picking it all up as I go.
So far people have been happy with what i've been submitting for public consumption, confirming my progress in learning Android, but like I said - picking it all up as I go so any resources or people willing to help or offer advice are always welcome.
I'll track that dev down once I get my focus brought around to kernels and that becomes my life, so I can actually make use of any help he may be willing to give and not waste his time with frivolous or easily answered questions.
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I just doubled the RAM in my laptop a few days ago. It's about two years old, but when I bought it I bought a second stick of RAM I never added to it. I figured i'd use it until it really needed it, but now that i've been compiling things on it the more the merrier - been having some issues with it that have evaporated since I did that a few days ago.
I was gearing up for kernels anyway, but now i'm thinking i'll make that my primary focus and let all else mostly fall to the wayside except supporting any problems that crop up in my ROM.
Looks like tonight is going to be all math review and C coding refreshment.

I really can't wait to see Kernel from you, I know you'll do it right which is the best part
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