I heard that moto would unlock the bootloader at the end of the year.
really？ is there anyone know about it？
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you can already load a.....quasi-like recovery, just a boot strap though.
the bootloader will eventually be unlocked, give them time
HTC finally did it, but, the thing is, when HTC did it, they were setting up a user-agreement trap.
basically, if you did it via their method (through the site) you are more or less screwing yourself because HTC can outright void the warentee.
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I think so, moto and htc will listen to the customers
Kiboe said:
you can already load a.....quasi-like recovery, just a boot strap though.
the bootloader will eventually be unlocked, give them time
HTC finally did it, but, the thing is, when HTC did it, they were setting up a user-agreement trap.
basically, if you did it via their method (through the site) you are more or less screwing yourself because HTC can outright void the warentee.
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Actually no they are not screwing anyone over. If you ever read the agreement, it voids certain parts of the warranty. If it's their fault they'll fix or replace it, but if it's YOUR fault it's up to you to fix it or pay to fix it. That's HOW it should be.
Here's a snippet from it.
Please understand that you will not be able to return your device to the original state and going forward your device may not be held covered under the warranty for all claims resulting from the unlocking of the bootloader.
If you were not covered by a full warranty it would flat out tell you. They specifically state may not be covered vs. It will not be covered.
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I'm aware that rooting my Xoom voids the manufacturers warranty, but does anyone know how it effects the insurance from Verizon? No point in paying $12 a month if they aren't going to replace it anyway.
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crauzz said:
I'm aware that rooting my Xoom voids the manufacturers warranty, but does anyone know how it effects the insurance from Verizon? No point in paying $12 a month if they aren't going to replace it anyway.
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Rooting does not effect insurance at all. Also if you can unroot before sending it back in, it won't effect your warranty either .
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Rooting does not effect insurance at all. Also if you can unroot before sending it back in, it won't effect your warranty either .
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Insurance I can agree with, you pay for it, you should be able to use it. Think of your car & how it works.
However, the Warranty is still void by rooting it, end of story. Getting a replacement on warranty is dishonest and only contributes to the problem of them locking the boot loaders down even more.
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Insurance I can agree with, you pay for it, you should be able to use it. Think of your car & how it works.
However, the Warranty is still void by rooting it, end of story. Getting a replacement on warranty is dishonest and only contributes to the problem of them locking the boot loaders down even more.
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Not going to debate you, but let me ask you one question. If i root my phone, then my usb plug brakes you are saying i should not be able to claim it under warranty?
I think he means if you mess up your phone by flashing firmware. I don't agree with all those people who root when they have no business doing so, without the required knoledge, then when something goes wrong they freak out and lie their way into a new device
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If you root it, shouldn't effect warranty of hardware - honestly just restore it and send it in. Hardware is unrelated to software bricks
I guess really you can just use the one click root method to unroot and re lock the boot loader and no one would really know is that true?
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I guess really you can just use the one click root method to unroot and re lock the boot loader and no one would really know is that true?
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you can't relock the wifi only. still has issues.
oh ok did not know that thank you!
Hi just bought a 2nd hand Nexus S, was wondering if there is a way to check whether the bootloader has been unlocked before (meaning warranty is void anyways). If it has, I'm happy to unlock it again, but if it hasn't I probably wouldn't. Thanks!
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Hi just bought a 2nd hand Nexus S, was wondering if there is a way to check whether the bootloader has been unlocked before (meaning warranty is void anyways). If it has, I'm happy to unlock it again, but if it hasn't I probably wouldn't. Thanks!
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Your manufacturer warranty is good regardless if the boot loader is locked or not. However the warranty is non-transferable, meaning if you bought it 2nd hand you have no warranty.
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RLP06 said:
Hi just bought a 2nd hand Nexus S, was wondering if there is a way to check whether the bootloader has been unlocked before (meaning warranty is void anyways). If it has, I'm happy to unlock it again, but if it hasn't I probably wouldn't. Thanks!
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when booting up the phone, on the bottom of the google screen, right before the boot animation, theres a little unlocked padlock. if its there the bootloader is unlocked.
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when booting up the phone, on the bottom of the google screen, right before the boot animation, theres a little unlocked padlock. if its there the bootloader is unlocked.
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Yeah but if someone locked it back there is no way to tell. I think that's what he's asking about. So no, there is no way to tell unless the previous owner left files on the SD storage such as the superuser or other apks which would indicate the device was rooted before.
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Yeah but if someone locked it back there is no way to tell. I think that's what he's asking about. So no, there is no way to tell unless the previous owner left files on the SD storage such as the superuser or other apks which would indicate the device was rooted before.
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Yep, great, thanks for the answer.
Do you happen to have a link saying that unlocking the bootloader doesn't affect warranty? I can't seem to find it,, and in the cyanogenmod guide, it warns you that unlocking will void the warranty.
The phone was bought on pay as you go, so the receipt doesn't have a name on it, so assume I'd be ok on that front
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Yep, great, thanks for the answer.
Do you happen to have a link saying that unlocking the bootloader doesn't affect warranty? I can't seem to find it,, and in the cyanogenmod guide, it warns you that unlocking will void the warranty.
The phone was bought on pay as you go, so the receipt doesn't have a name on it, so assume I'd be ok on that front
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No, in fact unlocking does void your warranty and it will clearly state that when you do it. But its still a fair play on your part since there is no way to prove it after you lock it.
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No, in fact unlocking does void your warranty and it will clearly state that when you do it. But its still a fair play on your part since there is no way to prove it after you lock it.
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Ahh, sorry, you had the same avatar as the guy who first replied and said it was valid regardless of whether it was locked or not.
I assume that Samsung can tell whether you've unlocked it or not if you relock it? or do they just penalise people who's phone breaks while it's in the unlocked status...
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Ahh, sorry, you had the same avatar as the guy who first replied and said it was valid regardless of whether it was locked or not.
I assume that Samsung can tell whether you've unlocked it or not if you relock it? or do they just penalise people who's phone breaks while it's in the unlocked status...
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No Samsung can't do that lol
If they receive a phone with unlocked bootloader and a software problem they will just send it back still broken, not sure about hardware problems.
But if its 2nd hand you have NO warranty
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I think there is no way to check was bootloader unlocked before or not.
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No, in fact unlocking does void your warranty and it will clearly state that when you do it. But its still a fair play on your part since there is no way to prove it after you lock it.
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Actually on the Nexus S it says "may void your warranty". When you unlock you void carrier warranty not manufacturer.
Samsung is the only one that plays fairly in the Magnuson-Moss act.
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LancerEVA06 said:
Actually on the Nexus S it says "may void your warranty". When you unlock you void carrier warranty not manufacturer.
Samsung is the only one that plays fairly in the Magnuson-Moss act.
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and best buy...when I bought mine the mobile manager laughed when I asked if an unlocked btldr would void their warranty...he said "if you are unlocking the bootloader, you probably know how to fix any software issue....if you can brick it to the point you can't fix it yourself, we'll honor the warranty". Hell, best buy will take back any phone for any reason under the warranty....unless you can't produce it. If it's lost/stolen you're SOL But if you run it over with your car, on the other hand, you're all set
Yea, "may" void warranty is always the phrasing. In the US in order for modifications you make to void your warranty they must prove that the defect you experienced was a direct result of your modification, I.e., unlocking the bootloader. Of course its easier to just return it locked and stock to avoid arguing with dolts.
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No Samsung can't do that lol
If they receive a phone with unlocked bootloader and a software problem they will just send it back still broken, not sure about hardware problems.
But if its 2nd hand you have NO warranty
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Warranty is transferable in the UK so 2nd hand phones can have warranty:
http://www.samsung.com/uk/support/warranty/warrantyInformation.do
Not sure about other countries though.
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rob61280 said:
Warranty is transferable in the UK so 2nd hand phones can have warranty:
http://www.samsung.com/uk/support/warranty/warrantyInformation.do
Not sure about other countries though.
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0.0 never knew that
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jesusice said:
Yea, "may" void warranty is always the phrasing. In the US in order for modifications you make to void your warranty they must prove that the defect you experienced was a direct result of your modification, I.e., unlocking the bootloader. Of course its easier to just return it locked and stock to avoid arguing with dolts.
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I've never had a problem with Samsung's warranty. I don't remember which phone it was, but the screen was completely shattered, but still worked. It would randomly reboot after it got so hot. Would reboot at the same temp, everytime. I sent it to Samsung, they replaced the mainboard and reflashed it to my IMEI. I got the phone back still with a broken screen, but it worked with no problems.
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I've never had a problem with Samsung's warranty. I don't remember which phone it was, but the screen was completely shattered, but still worked. It would randomly reboot after it got so hot. Would reboot at the same temp, everytime. I sent it to Samsung, they replaced the mainboard and reflashed it to my IMEI. I got the phone back still with a broken screen, but it worked with no problems.
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Likewise Samsung UK where very easy to deal with regarding my recent warranty claim, I filled out the forms on the site and they phoned me to arrange collection. I was surprised that they covered second hand devices to
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If we had s-off but a locked bootloader, would there be a way to unlock the bootloader without notifiying HTC through HTCdev? Or does an unlocked bootloader essentially come with s-off?
I am wondering because I would prefer not to notify HTC of the unlock unless I absolutely have to. Obviously...
I don't know the answer to you first question but, I do know that unlocked bootloader does not give you s=off.
Yes but I'm asking if s-off gives up an unlocked bootloader. Or if the only way to unlock it is to use HTCdev
Confirmed. I'll wait a while before using htcdev.
I don't think we'll know for sure, until the S-Off method is found (which may be soon?). And there are plenty here that know more than I. But S-Off should be security off for everything, and let you do whatever you want, so I don't think you need bootloader unlock on top of that.
I could be wrong but unless HTC has some sort of counter in the phone how would they know you unlocked? If we ever got s-off you would just push the stock hboot etc and no flags would be thrown. Just because you generate a token, doesn't mean you went through with unlocking the device. Again, I didn't read HTC's fine print when unlocking though.
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I could be wrong but unless HTC has some sort of counter in the phone how would they know you unlocked? If we ever got s-off you would just push the stock hboot etc and no flags would be thrown. Just because you generate a token, doesn't mean you went through with unlocking the device. Again, I didn't read HTC's fine print when unlocking though.
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Wow that's absolutely hilarious LOL I never once stopped to think with my puny brain that we could indeed generate tokens without unlocking. Haha so funny. And yes if we could hide it, it would be great, but I read that no matter what you do the boot loader will always say RELOCKED and not LOCKED. Or tampered, something of that sort.
I think we can fix that with s off. I could be completely wrong though.
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From what I've been reading, any and everything can be accomplished with s-off. We can make the phone microwave food with s-off. PS they are trying some s-off methods with a members phone today. We shall see
Yep, S-Off means all partitions are writeable, and nothing is locked (except possibly SIM lock). I'm not personally clear what exploit is being used to get S-Off, but if it doesn't involve HTCDev (which my guess is that it wouldn't) than I don't see any way for HTC to track you. But all of this will hopefully be definitively answered very soon once a method is deployed . . .
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If we had s-off but a locked bootloader, would there be a way to unlock the bootloader without notifiying HTC through HTCdev? Or does an unlocked bootloader essentially come with s-off?
I am wondering because I would prefer not to notify HTC of the unlock unless I absolutely have to. Obviously...
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If you go through HTC are you supposedly giving up your warranty?
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If you go through HTC are you supposedly giving up your warranty?
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Yup. They tell you explicitly when you unlock the bootloader that you are voiding your warranty.
I think reports vary a bit on what HTC will actually do if you send a phone in with a hardware defect and its BL unlocked. I was reading a while ago on the International One X forum that they will still honor your warranty if you are BL unlocked and there is a hardware defect, as long as a custom ROM was not installed. But if you flashed a custom ROM they can somehow tell (even if you returned to stock) and deny your warranty. At least that was one guys experience over in the International forum.
S-OFF > Unlocked Bootloader, especially when HTCDev is involved. I've been holding off on the HTCDev unlock to see if we can get S-OFF, but now that some awesome ROMs are becoming available... I may just crack!
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Stop worrying so much. Unlock it and enjoy it. No need to stress, it's not a car, it's a phone. Itll be fine. did u get the aftermarket or accidental warranty? If so, and you need it replaced, use that warranty if htc doesn't fix it. That's if they deny it and if they do they'll give you a repair cost, hopefully affordable. I would think though they would only deny it if unlocking caused the failure. If the flash goes out or dust under screen or volume rocker fails or USB port dies... They would probably fix it. No way unlocking it could cos those things to fail.
Well I'm banking on the fact that we will get s-off anyway and be able to remove the evidence of it ever being unlocked. I can just argue that I didn't actually unlock the bootloader and only generated the code. Either I honestly don't care anymore because I just got a great insurance plan that was only 58 for a year and covers EVERYTHING with only $75 deductible.
Also its funny that you say they would cover dust under the screen. I had an Inspire a while back and tried to get it repaired under warranty for dust under the screen (the battery door let a ton of dust in) and they would not cover it. I was so pissed about it and the way they handled it I swore to never buy another HTC product.
And then they released the most beautiful phone in the world.
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Well I'm banking on the fact that we will get s-off anyway and be able to remove the evidence of it ever being unlocked. I can just argue that I didn't actually unlock the bootloader and only generated the code. Either I honestly don't care anymore because I just got a great insurance plan that was only 58 for a year and covers EVERYTHING with only $75 deductible.
Also its funny that you say they would cover dust under the screen. I had an Inspire a while back and tried to get it repaired under warranty for dust under the screen (the battery door let a ton of dust in) and they would not cover it. I was so pissed about it and the way they handled it I swore to never buy another HTC product.
And then they released the most beautiful phone in the world.
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details on that insurance please? that's fantastic
gunnyman said:
details on that insurance please? that's fantastic
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Ensquared.
Thanks signed up and canceled the overpriced att insurance.
gunnyman said:
Thanks signed up and canceled the overpriced att insurance.
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It's the least I could do for you essentially being responsible for the 1.85 root.
I unlocked bootloader with HTC dev. So I assume my warranty is voided. I bought it from the source (Canadian store) I have a 3 year warranty. So if my screen gets cracked or water damaged will they replace or fix it. Eg: I have water damage covered. Will they be able to see if I unlocked bootloader and would they replace it????
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Unfortunately they can tell
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I unlocked bootloader with HTC dev. So I assume my warranty is voided. I bought it from the source (Canadian store) I have a 3 year warranty. So if my screen gets cracked or water damaged will they replace or fix it. Eg: I have water damage covered. Will they be able to see if I unlocked bootloader and would they replace it????
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Yes they can see.I'm pretty sure
i dont think so.
but if your screen is the problem.
i think they will focus on that thing.
just try it.
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your best bet is, if any damage occurs, would probably be to reflash everything to stock, even the bootloader, then return it. If it is waterdamaged and you cannot turn it on, odds are they will not be able to check.
I returned a fully rooted/flashed Droid Eris once (water damage and shattered screen) and they accepted it without an issue
AFAIK, there is no simple way for a service center to check as long as you restore the phone to it's original condition (i.e., re-lock it). It's very easy to tell if a phone is currently unlocked or not.
If it's clearly a hardware issue (e.g., cracks, water damage, etc.), then they almost certainly won't waste their time checking. HTCdev is an HTC Corporation project. From their website:
It is our responsibility to caution you that not all claims resulting or caused by or from the unlocking of the bootloader may be covered under warranty.
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Unless unlocking your phone somehow caused you to drop it in the water or break its screen, you're in the clear. Your warranty is still good.
So. I bricked my phone when I ruu'd back to the 2.20 update and took the 3.18 OTA update. It bricked my phone because I was rooted with s-on. I called AT&T's warranty center and told my phone stopped working after I performed an update and they sent me a new one. What are the chances that they'll actually know that my phone was rooted? Has anyone else gone through this?
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So. I bricked my phone when I ruu'd back to the 2.20 update and took the 3.18 OTA update. It bricked my phone because I was rooted with s-on. I called AT&T's warranty center and told my phone stopped working after I performed an update and they sent me a new one. What are the chances that they'll actually know that my phone was rooted? Has anyone else gone through this?
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If it doesn't turn on at all they won't be able to tell because, well, they can't turn it on.
I'm just guessing but you might be committing some kind of fraud in doing that?
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I bricked my old one x by flashing ice cold jelly RIM meant for the international one x. And I called Rogers and they sent me a new one as my old one x won't turn on. Its been a year now and no calls, no fees, nothing.
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While AT&T technically reserves the right to refuse warranty service due to modification of the phone; in actual practice I have yet to see a report of them actually doing that. Many folks here have returned rooted and bootloader unlocked phones (even running custom ROMs) for various hardware defects (with the screen still able to turn on, and therefore not difficult to tell it was rooted), with no issue.
That said, I'm usually not a fan of making a warranty claim for a brick resulting from your own lack of research. But the case of SuperCID and OTA/RUU shouldn't be bricking people's phones (its not clear why it does), so its a bit of a gray area, and I'd personally on the fence about calling it fraud (leaning to the side of "not fraud").
I will say this about AT&T warranty. They really don't deal with software. In fact they recieve 5,000 phones that are not really broken. They have a simple check system and if everything passes, then they give you a new phone. Even though I was not in the warranty department, I transferred a lot people there.
Back to the subject, if you tell them you tried to update it and it did not work, most likely they will replace it. As long as it is not water damaged and was not physically tampered with.
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I will say this about AT&T warranty. They really don't deal with software. In fact they recieve 5,000 phones that are not really broken. They have a simple check system and if everything passes, then they give you a new phone. Even though I was not in the warranty department, I transferred a lot people there.
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5000 phones in a month? In a week?
Very informative, nonetheless. Thanks for the post.
No worries. Since I didn't sign a contract I can talk about it as much as I want . The reason for this is because reps do not fully troubleshoot. As a tech support rep, I made sure to rarely transfer, because it coudld be something as small as a setting
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I wouldn't say this is fraud at all. The rep on the phone asked me if the phone had any physical or water damage. He said nothing about software modification and if he did, I would have been honest with him. The bricked phone itself was in excellent condition even after 8 months of use. I've always been good at maintaining my phones in the past. If anything, they could use the phone for parts or something.
I did receive my replacement phone yesterday in the mail. I sent out my bricked phone today.
Technically with Google and HTC both having tracking software buried in stock os a real phone software egineer can prolly tell just by punching up your imei what's going on. I did tech support for blackberry business (worst phn in my opinion) and it was possible to pull up there home screen and guide them through setting up stuff. I know some people that do att warranty and they tell me they have never in there location made phone out of warranty from software only physical damage and water strip detector.
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