or does it send 480p which our phone then spreads over qHD?
If the latter, than maybe no advantage to qHD over wvga when videos are concerned...
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or does it send 480p which our phone then spreads over qHD?
If the latter, than maybe no advantage to qHD over wvga when videos are concerned...
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I'm not sure but enabling HQ via youtube, still brings back crappy video quality.
I know youtube compresses data, and that's why its kinda blocky, but on my iPod touch 4th gen, the same video will look amazing!! It looks like on iOS they are using the 1080p or 720p videos if available whereas on my sensation it looks like they use 360p videos. I hate that.
It does on netflix. it optimize the stream base on your connection but I don't think it is 720p or 1080p. Probably need better software support not really the hardware fault.
Its all based on the ones providing the video. netflix/youtube have poor quality. but then again youe tube is based on other peoples cameras so if they have a good camera the video will be better. but just because you have a device that supports 1080p doesnt me everything you play will be in that quality. just means if you have a 1080p hd video your device will play it. the video itself may be a little better but not substantially .
It really sucks. Like Hgaara, the same video will look pretty awesome on my iPod touch 4th generation compared to my Sensation. Oh well.
agreed.
But if you got to youtube website you can specify 360p - 1080p when available.
But it's obvious youtube HD pumps out some "optimal" resolution to android phones.
I was just curious if it pumps out qHD ( 540 x 960 ) feed to our phones or 480p
Same for netflix
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I've answered my own question with a bit of experimentation
here is my test video if you'd like to try to duplicate my efforts
the video is 720p
This is all on the Sensation of course:
First I watched it using the youtube ap
Then I watched it on youtube's webpage using Dolphin HD in desktop mode.
the video quality is amazingly better. Pretty crisp and smooth in fact.
So the lesson is: for better video quality on youtube,
don't use the ap.
don't browse YouTube in mobile mode
DO use desktop mode (Easily done in Dolphin HD)
DO remember to select a higher resolution. Use 1080p if available because the Sensation does a much smoother job of displaying 1080p on qhd rather than 720p because of the perfect 4 pixel to 1 ratio between 1080p and qHD
You might get a warning from youtube that the video is not optimized for mobile, but trust me, our beast of a phone can handle it.
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When using the MHL cable to output the phone's screen to the TV, The video is not nearly as crisp as it is when I play it back later on the computer. I assume this is because the device is showing the compressed video form on the device which is what is being output?
Is there any way to output a better quality version to the TV? (App, etc) Has anyone else felt the same way?
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When using the MHL cable to output the phone's screen to the TV, The video is not nearly as crisp as it is when I play it back later on the computer. I assume this is because the device is showing the compressed video form on the device which is what is being output?
Is there any way to output a better quality version to the TV? (App, etc) Has anyone else felt the same way?
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I just picked up the MHL dongle last week. Works great! Love it!
I think VIDEOS I've shot on the Sensation look like 1080p/720p on my Plasma HDTV... to my eye at least. I assume that's what you're talking about....videos you've recorded or HD You Tube vids etc?
Are you for sure recording in HD? 1080p/720p?? I think by default, the Sensation is set to qHD res in the camcorder settings.
You may already know this, but for those who don't.....
The UI on the phone isn't going to be true HD on your HDTV, as the Sensations display is only qHD 960x540. 720p is 1280X720 and 1080p is of course 1920x1080....officially. There is NO compromise on the official HD resolution standard. It either is or isn't HD....qHD is a marketing term...it looks like true HD on mobile devices, but it's not truly HD.
As far as I can tell though.... it does indeed output true HD resolutions from media etc....but not the UI itself. Videos I've recorded look stunning on my plasma....the UI of course looks grainy.
Hope that helps somebody. If I misstated anything...please correct me
That's correct you have to manually change camcorder to 1080P mode.
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Hoggles said:
I just picked up the MHL dongle last week. Works great! Love it!
I think VIDEOS I've shot on the Sensation look like 1080p/720p on my Plasma HDTV... to my eye at least. I assume that's what you're talking about....videos you've recorded or HD You Tube vids etc?
Are you for sure recording in HD? 1080p/720p?? I think by default, the Sensation is set to qHD res in the camcorder settings.
You may already know this, but for those who don't.....
The UI on the phone isn't going to be true HD on your HDTV, as the Sensations display is only qHD 960x540. 720p is 1280X720 and 1080p is of course 1920x1080....officially. There is NO compromise on the official HD resolution standard. It either is or isn't HD....qHD is a marketing term...it looks like true HD on mobile devices, but it's not truly HD.
As far as I can tell though.... it does indeed output true HD resolutions from media etc....but not the UI itself. Videos I've recorded look stunning on my plasma....the UI of course looks grainy.
Hope that helps somebody. If I misstated anything...please correct me
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Thanks! Yeah I am up to date on my resolution knowledge , and Yeah I guess it outputting it in HD, it just is a little jittery, and for fast moving objects (I was recording ping pong XD ) it looked much smoother when I pulled the file off and played it on the computer.
Where are you guys getting your MHL cables? Are they the official HTC ones?
Hoggles said:
I just picked up the MHL dongle last week. Works great! Love it!
I think VIDEOS I've shot on the Sensation look like 1080p/720p on my Plasma HDTV... to my eye at least. I assume that's what you're talking about....videos you've recorded or HD You Tube vids etc?
Are you for sure recording in HD? 1080p/720p?? I think by default, the Sensation is set to qHD res in the camcorder settings.
You may already know this, but for those who don't.....
The UI on the phone isn't going to be true HD on your HDTV, as the Sensations display is only qHD 960x540. 720p is 1280X720 and 1080p is of course 1920x1080....officially. There is NO compromise on the official HD resolution standard. It either is or isn't HD....qHD is a marketing term...it looks like true HD on mobile devices, but it's not truly HD.
As far as I can tell though.... it does indeed output true HD resolutions from media etc....but not the UI itself. Videos I've recorded look stunning on my plasma....the UI of course looks grainy.
Hope that helps somebody. If I misstated anything...please correct me
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qHD isn't actually marketed as HD... it's qHD because it's (q)uarter HD, as in 1/4 of the HD resolution. 1920 / 2 = 960, and 1080 / 2 = 540. Divide length and width each by 2, and the overall number of pixels gets divided by 4.
It's not just a marketing term.
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qHD isn't actually marketed as HD... it's qHD because it's (q)uarter HD, as in 1/4 of the HD resolution. 1920 / 2 = 960, and 1080 / 2 = 540. Divide length and width each by 2, and the overall number of pixels gets divided by 4.
It's not just a marketing term.
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Correct...it is actually quarter HD, of course....hence the "q". What I meant by marketing term is that a vast majority of people out there see the "HD" and may think it's actually HD...when of course it's not.
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Where are you guys getting your MHL cables? Are they the official HTC ones?
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from the tmobileUS website under accessories
I'm looking to a upgrade from my current handset, an old school Nokia 6120c.
What is most important to me is that the new phone (HTC Desire S) be able to play videos encoded at a "High:L5.1" level within a mkv container, or at least High:L4.1 as most 720p tv shows i got downloaded are at that encoding level.
Thee videos will not be played from local storage (Phone/SD Card) rather they wil be streamed from my NAS which is running TwonkeyServer.
The toss up over what phone to get came down to which had the better chipset, more specifically the better gpu in terms of hardware acceleration to play these 720p videos without a single stutter.
Not wanting to blow too muh dosh, im keeping it to a simple single core cpu, so I found myself stuck in deciding between the "MSM8255 Snapdragon" and the "Humming Bird" chipset.
The 2nd generation snapdragon has a snappier cpu however the humming birds gpu seems much better still.
So, heres hoping some of you guys have already given this a thought.
1. At what most encoding level does the HTC Desire S play videos stutter free?
2. Does Diceplayer offer hardware virtuasisation for mkv files (xvid/x264) on the Desire S?
3. Since Videos are being streamed by TwonkeyServer from my NAS, is their "less effort" for the Desire S to play these videos? As apposed to playing them from local storage?
I don't have an answer for your question but I do have a question for you.
Why do you need to watch 720p video on a screen that is less than 4"?
I have never understood this need for devices with such small screens to playback such high rez video other than that which has been filmed on it.
Surely a standard xvid would look just as good on the small screen.
^ not to mention that both the Desire S nor the Galaxy S have a horizontal video resolution of 480, so watching a 720p video would be scaled down significantly anyway.
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I don't have an answer for your question but I do have a question for you.
Why do you need to watch 720p video on a screen that is less than 4"?
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Surely a standard xvid would look just as good on the small screen.
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Yeh it sure would, however i dont have the time or effort to be re-encoding videos all the time. I have "Sickbeard" download all the TV shows i have subscribed to my NAS box daily, so i would just like to stream the videos directly to my phone without messing around all the time with encodes and re-sizing videos everyday..
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I'm looking to a upgrade from my current handset, an old school Nokia 6120c.
1. At what most encoding level does the HTC Desire S play videos stutter free?
2. Does Diceplayer offer hardware virtuasisation for mkv files (xvid/x264) on the Desire S?
3. Since Videos are being streamed by TwonkeyServer from my NAS, is their "less effort" for the Desire S to play these videos? As apposed to playing them from local storage?
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If you want playing 720p H.264 [email protected],5.1 video, buy Smasung(Hummingbird,Exynos) , Dual core snapdragon.
QSD8255 is not good at playing 720p H.264 [email protected]/5.x video.
1. 3.1 is Shutter free level.
2. YES
3. Subs have some problems. UPNP(DLNA) is not good for subs.
I recommand CIFS export + cifs mount using cifs.ko
juami said:
If you want playing 720p H.264 [email protected],5.1 video, buy Smasung(Hummingbird,Exynos) , Dual core snapdragon.
QSD8255 is not good at playing 720p H.264 [email protected]/5.x video.
1. 3.1 is Shutter free level.
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Isnt that for the 1st generation snapdragon "QSD8250" (The 1st Desire with hard buttons)?
diceplayer.inisoft.co.kr said:
Supported devices
* Samsung Galaxy S2 : 1080p H.264 [email protected]/MPEG-4,1080i AVCHD MTS
* Samsung Galaxy S and variants : 720p H.264 [email protected]
* HTC Nexus-1,Desire and QSD8250 baesd devices : 720p H.264 [email protected]
=> May need libOmxVdec.so patch.
* HTC Sensation,Evo 4G+.Evo 3D : 720p [email protected]/1080p [email protected](some 1080p files have shuttering)
* HTC Desire HD,ThunderBolt : 720p [email protected]/4.0(some Level 4.0 file have shutter problem)
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2nd generation snapdragon "MSM8255" with Adreno 205 GPU as opposed to Adreno 200 should be ~4 times quicker. So in theory shouldn't it be able to play videos of higher level encoding?
EDIT: Oh my bad, seems you were right about High:L3.1 being the highest shutter free level
As i turns out The HTC Desire S has the same chipset as the HTC Desire HD, which is actually included in the above supported list of devices. Well im **** outta luck then
Still dont understand how even with the 205 Adreno GPU it failed to play anything higher :S
I really liked the look of the HTC Desire S, and its dimensions closely resembled the iphone4 which i believe is just the perfect size for a phone.
Suppose i turn on the HD feature to watch videos on YouTube. Does my phone use more bandwidth streaming if it has a higher resolution screen? Or is the same video being downloaded and made to fit my lower resolution screen resulting in identical data consumption?
Another example would be YouTube.com offers resolutions of 380p/480p/720p/1080p. Does the EVO(800x480) stream at 480p on HD whereas the EVO 3D(960x540) streams at 720p and crops the picture? Or do both Stream at 720p and crop the picture?
If it is the former it seems the WVGA (800x480) on the GSII might be a better idea than the 720p display on the Nexus Prime. You can hardly stream HD videos over 3g/4g as it is and a lot of people don't have unlimited data plans.
Maybe someone could post results comparing streaming data consumption of the same video on an EVO vs EVO 3D to get an idea...
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The bigger the resolution of the youtube video the more bandwidth it needs. The same video (let's say 720p) needs the same amout of data on 2 different phones. Higher resolutions also have higher quality audio and cropping is a local procedure, after the date has been transferred. So the amount of data watching a 720p video on EVO and EVO 3D should be the same.
So I found this video on youtube, a 4K video, where I can see it is very bad noise in low light, so I made a comparison with the raw footage and one I made after filters.
So What do you think?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nio8mjzjpGo
NoEnd said:
So I found this video on youtube, a 4K video, where I can see it is very bad noise in low light, so I made a comparison with the raw footage and one I made after filters.
So What do you think?
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This is from GSMArena's just-posted "mini review." So I think it's too early to think. If I were to think, I'd think of all the camera/video features whose performance I'd be concerned about 4K video recording/playback would be the least of them. Unless people have 4K monitors or TVs recording in 4K is pretty dumb. It's only going to be downscaled to the resolution of what it's being played back on. For videos to be shown on a 1080P mobile device, monitor, or TV content in their native resolution would look better. And 4K videos are absolutely huge.
Disclaimer: The following preview is based on a pre-production Galaxy Note 3 and by explicit request by Samsung we won't be posting any benchmark scores and evaluation of the Snapdragon 800's scores. We won't be conducting our usual suite of tests either. We'll leave those for a later occasion when we get a retail review sample.
Thanks for the info
I know this phone can take great video. Problem is, I share a lot of them on Facebook. I see people uploading videos with an old iPhone 4s or even some of the cheap Android handsets that looks better than my 1020. Even my old 920 videos looked better on Facebook. Any ideas of how to improve the situation. Even with HD turned on in Facebook, the videos still look grainy and bad.
Try changing your video resolution down to 720p, which will make the video match Facebook's limit of 1280px. Video shot at 1080p will have a width of 1920px and will then be rescaled by Facebook's encoder, which is probably what is making your videos look poor.
https://www.facebook.com/help/124738474272230
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Try changing your video resolution down to 720p, which will make the video match Facebook's limit of 1280px. Video shot at 1080p will have a width of 1920px and will then be rescaled by Facebook's encoder, which is probably what is making your videos look poor.
https://www.facebook.com/help/124738474272230
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Thanks. I'll give that a try. Maybe at least I can take some videos that way just for Facebook.
If anyone knows/hears of an app or other solution as well so I don't have to reduce the quality of my recordings or us a PC for upload it would be appreciated. I love my Lumia 1020 but it's just frustrating to see people post videos straight off an iPhone 4S to Facebook and it looks better than mine. Kinda hard to sell others on how great my phone is if it doesn't look better out of the box to them. Of course that would be more of an MS/Nokia issue.
SinisterJunkie said:
Try changing your video resolution down to 720p, which will make the video match Facebook's limit of 1280px. Video shot at 1080p will have a width of 1920px and will then be rescaled by Facebook's encoder, which is probably what is making your videos look poor.
https://www.facebook.com/help/124738474272230
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Ok. So I've had a chance to try every video setting on the phone. All of them looks worse than the video quality of a crappy flip phone. My Lumia 920 wouldn't do this. Facebook videos looked very nice when you switched on HD viewing. I just don't get it. This is supposed to have the better camera and yet every video looks crappy, and that's on a desktop system with the HD option on Facebook enabled.
The only thing I haven't tried at this point is manually downloading the videos to a regular computer and recoding with some third party app but what point is having it if I have to do that.
I noticed in your description you have a 1020. Do your Facebook videos look bad? I have Lumia Black. Only other thing otherwise is maybe I got a bum phone.
Honestly, I haven't posted any videos to Facebook from my 1020. At least not yet.