So I found this video on youtube, a 4K video, where I can see it is very bad noise in low light, so I made a comparison with the raw footage and one I made after filters.
So What do you think?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nio8mjzjpGo
NoEnd said:
So I found this video on youtube, a 4K video, where I can see it is very bad noise in low light, so I made a comparison with the raw footage and one I made after filters.
So What do you think?
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This is from GSMArena's just-posted "mini review." So I think it's too early to think. If I were to think, I'd think of all the camera/video features whose performance I'd be concerned about 4K video recording/playback would be the least of them. Unless people have 4K monitors or TVs recording in 4K is pretty dumb. It's only going to be downscaled to the resolution of what it's being played back on. For videos to be shown on a 1080P mobile device, monitor, or TV content in their native resolution would look better. And 4K videos are absolutely huge.
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I dont see a lot of chatter about 60fps recording on the latest batch of 720/1080p recording smart phones.. Is it even possible or just a matter of hardware limitations? Im just curious if we could see a future hack enabling 60fps or do we wait for manufacturers to offer it. thanks!
That would be SICK... But I don't think it'd be possible due to the size of the camera sensor in most mobile phones.
i just know that the HTC Bass (Runnymede) will be able to do 720p recording at 60fps.
afaik, there are no known phones that can do [email protected] currently.
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I dont see a lot of chatter about 60fps recording on the latest batch of 720/1080p recording smart phones.. Is it even possible or just a matter of hardware limitations? Im just curious if we could see a future hack enabling 60fps or do we wait for manufacturers to offer it. thanks!
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Sounds like James Cameron's dream phone, to me. Cameron is pushing for the movie industry to adopt a minimum 60fp/s for movies.
is 60fps the limit? cant it go any higher?
Really isn't much benefit in going higher except for Video/Sports analysis, TBH. For just watching stuff, 60 FPS is good enough.
I understand that for general recording/watching 30fps is plenty. 24fps even.. Id just be interested for some cool slo-mo effects. even if it were capped at a short time due to the size of the file. Im just wondering if its hardware limitations (video encoding of the chipset, size of the sensor as previously mentioned) or just a matter of software tweaking; forcing the phone to record/encode @ 60fps.
I had an older LG phone that had a slo-mo effect that looked cool but quality took a big hit.
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I understand that for general recording/watching 30fps is plenty. 24fps even.. Id just be interested for some cool slo-mo effects. even if it were capped at a short time due to the size of the file. Im just wondering if its hardware limitations (video encoding of the chipset, size of the sensor as previously mentioned) or just a matter of software tweaking; forcing the phone to record/encode @ 60fps.
I had an older LG phone that had a slo-mo effect that looked cool but quality took a big hit.
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agree
even if games / videos were made to run 60 fps, it's a waste of power
there's no point pushing more than 30 frames when human eyes can barely keep up with less than that
AllGamer said:
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even if games / videos were made to run 60 fps, it's a waste of power
there's no point pushing more than 30 frames when human eyes can barely keep up with less than that
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Don't agree at all. The difference is big and is easily proven. Seems to be some kind of urban legend that eyes cannot perceive faster movement than around 24-30fps
Check for example these example videos (using a modern browser on a modern PC).
http://www.boallen.com/fps-compare.html
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Don't agree at all. The difference is big and is easily proven. Seems to be some kind of urban legend that eyes cannot perceive faster movement than around 24-30fps
Check for example these example videos (using a modern browser on a modern PC).
http://www.boallen.com/fps-compare.html
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This is an age old debate and is far more complex than that one example can cover. For video playback where you can't resolve individual frames though, 30 fps is more than enough.
Yes, we all like to see those beautiful bullet time type videos shot with fast cameras, but there are limitations other than processing power. In this case it's optical. The faster you shoot, the better lit the scene needs to be and the better the light gathering ability of the optics. Perfectly easy to overcome when you're lighting the scene and using proper hardware. Not so good when you're using a phone to do the shooting though!
I don't see the point of 1080p/60fps until they can do 1080p/30fps properly
Also better optics before moving onto anything else
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This is an age old debate and is far more complex than that one example can cover. For video playback where you can't resolve individual frames though, 30 fps is more than enough.
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Sorry but I don't agree at all, and your post doesn't include one single argument for you statement so it doesn't make any change.
30 fps looks ok, but 60fps video looks more fluid. It is very obvious in fast moving videos, e g sports.
I know that movies are made for 24fps and have "motion blur" to remove the problems with low frame rate, and some people prefere this motion blur (i e movie captured with small aperture) but that is a matter of taste and doesn't change what looks more fluid or not.
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That all depends on the GPU. Maybe the powervr sgx 543 can, seems the most plausible of all the GPUs available.
So those can shoot @60fps:
-LG G2
-Note 3
-HTC One (720p only)
Does anybody know more devices?
Maybe Nexus 5 after some camera hack...? I would buy if it had 1080p60
Samsung Galaxy S4 and S5 can record 60fps video as well
or does it send 480p which our phone then spreads over qHD?
If the latter, than maybe no advantage to qHD over wvga when videos are concerned...
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or does it send 480p which our phone then spreads over qHD?
If the latter, than maybe no advantage to qHD over wvga when videos are concerned...
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I'm not sure but enabling HQ via youtube, still brings back crappy video quality.
I know youtube compresses data, and that's why its kinda blocky, but on my iPod touch 4th gen, the same video will look amazing!! It looks like on iOS they are using the 1080p or 720p videos if available whereas on my sensation it looks like they use 360p videos. I hate that.
It does on netflix. it optimize the stream base on your connection but I don't think it is 720p or 1080p. Probably need better software support not really the hardware fault.
Its all based on the ones providing the video. netflix/youtube have poor quality. but then again youe tube is based on other peoples cameras so if they have a good camera the video will be better. but just because you have a device that supports 1080p doesnt me everything you play will be in that quality. just means if you have a 1080p hd video your device will play it. the video itself may be a little better but not substantially .
It really sucks. Like Hgaara, the same video will look pretty awesome on my iPod touch 4th generation compared to my Sensation. Oh well.
agreed.
But if you got to youtube website you can specify 360p - 1080p when available.
But it's obvious youtube HD pumps out some "optimal" resolution to android phones.
I was just curious if it pumps out qHD ( 540 x 960 ) feed to our phones or 480p
Same for netflix
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I've answered my own question with a bit of experimentation
here is my test video if you'd like to try to duplicate my efforts
the video is 720p
This is all on the Sensation of course:
First I watched it using the youtube ap
Then I watched it on youtube's webpage using Dolphin HD in desktop mode.
the video quality is amazingly better. Pretty crisp and smooth in fact.
So the lesson is: for better video quality on youtube,
don't use the ap.
don't browse YouTube in mobile mode
DO use desktop mode (Easily done in Dolphin HD)
DO remember to select a higher resolution. Use 1080p if available because the Sensation does a much smoother job of displaying 1080p on qhd rather than 720p because of the perfect 4 pixel to 1 ratio between 1080p and qHD
You might get a warning from youtube that the video is not optimized for mobile, but trust me, our beast of a phone can handle it.
I know this phone can take great video. Problem is, I share a lot of them on Facebook. I see people uploading videos with an old iPhone 4s or even some of the cheap Android handsets that looks better than my 1020. Even my old 920 videos looked better on Facebook. Any ideas of how to improve the situation. Even with HD turned on in Facebook, the videos still look grainy and bad.
Try changing your video resolution down to 720p, which will make the video match Facebook's limit of 1280px. Video shot at 1080p will have a width of 1920px and will then be rescaled by Facebook's encoder, which is probably what is making your videos look poor.
https://www.facebook.com/help/124738474272230
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Try changing your video resolution down to 720p, which will make the video match Facebook's limit of 1280px. Video shot at 1080p will have a width of 1920px and will then be rescaled by Facebook's encoder, which is probably what is making your videos look poor.
https://www.facebook.com/help/124738474272230
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Thanks. I'll give that a try. Maybe at least I can take some videos that way just for Facebook.
If anyone knows/hears of an app or other solution as well so I don't have to reduce the quality of my recordings or us a PC for upload it would be appreciated. I love my Lumia 1020 but it's just frustrating to see people post videos straight off an iPhone 4S to Facebook and it looks better than mine. Kinda hard to sell others on how great my phone is if it doesn't look better out of the box to them. Of course that would be more of an MS/Nokia issue.
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Try changing your video resolution down to 720p, which will make the video match Facebook's limit of 1280px. Video shot at 1080p will have a width of 1920px and will then be rescaled by Facebook's encoder, which is probably what is making your videos look poor.
https://www.facebook.com/help/124738474272230
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Ok. So I've had a chance to try every video setting on the phone. All of them looks worse than the video quality of a crappy flip phone. My Lumia 920 wouldn't do this. Facebook videos looked very nice when you switched on HD viewing. I just don't get it. This is supposed to have the better camera and yet every video looks crappy, and that's on a desktop system with the HD option on Facebook enabled.
The only thing I haven't tried at this point is manually downloading the videos to a regular computer and recoding with some third party app but what point is having it if I have to do that.
I noticed in your description you have a 1020. Do your Facebook videos look bad? I have Lumia Black. Only other thing otherwise is maybe I got a bum phone.
Honestly, I haven't posted any videos to Facebook from my 1020. At least not yet.
Must watch.
http://mblog.gsmarena.com/galaxy-note-3-faces-canon-5d-mark-iii-video-comparison/
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Must watch.
http://mblog.gsmarena.com/galaxy-note-3-faces-canon-5d-mark-iii-video-comparison/
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Very interesting indeed. Still haven't bothered capturing at 4k as I don't have a display to do it justice. Might start recording and archive so come the time for a new TV I have some bright sharp memories to view.
I spend a full 20 minutes staring and laughing hysterically at the thread title. :laugh: Thought it was about photo's, as opposed to video. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Wasn't expecting that from the Note 3, actually. Not bad at all, for such a tiny sensor.
Honestly though, comparing 4K against 1080p? Even if you downsize, that's an unfair comparison as 4K records more data than 1080p at the raw source. It's like shooting in Jpeg directly, or converting a RAWfile to Jpeg. (Which only makes sense if you know photography.)
I am, however, in doubt. An old classmate of mine shoots entire films with his 5D MKIII, and the quality is significantly better than what we're seeing in the video.
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I spend a full 20 minutes staring and laughing hysterically at the thread title. :laugh: Thought it was about photo's, as opposed to video. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Wasn't expecting that from the Note 3, actually. Not bad at all, for such a tiny sensor.
Honestly though, comparing 4K against 1080p? Even if you downsize, that's an unfair comparison as 4K records more data than 1080p at the raw source. It's like shooting in Jpeg directly, or converting a RAWfile to Jpeg. (Which only makes sense if you know photography.)
I am, however, in doubt. An old classmate of mine shoots entire films with his 5D MKIII, and the quality is significantly better than what we're seeing in the video.
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I'm sorry but you're wrong, the comparison is as valid as any comparison between 2 devices. It would be like saying you can't compare benchmarks between Note 3 and GS5, because GS 5 has CPU running at higher frequency.
The fact is Note 3 can record 4k video out of the box and can record higher resolution, sharper video, than any DSLR currently on the market, period. Of course those were done in full sun/ good light, in low light Canon would win hands down. You could also see blown highlights in Note 3 video, but never the less our phone has excellent video recording capabilities I bet a lot of people are not even aware off and you have to remember Canon 5D mark III has probably one of the best video recording capabilities among DSLR and was used in quiet few commercial video recordings you see on TV. Even thought some people dismiss this as useless gimmick, it was one of the reasons I got Note 3 and I record all video in 4k, mostly of my kids, for the future memories. Right now none of my computers can play 4k video smoothly and I don't even have 4k display yet, but all this will be rectified before end of this year. Funny thing is, it is Samsung pushing the envelope, where the hell is Sony, commercial and consumer video leader?
arhhh the Pixel Myth.... Just like the Megahertz Myth! Bigger numbers doesn't always mean better. The N3 is a complete waste of time in low light despite being able to record @ 4k. I'd like to have seen the guy walking around (camera movement) with both devices as this would have shown which device was better when watching both playbacks.
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arhhh the Pixel Myth.... Just like the Megahertz Myth! Bigger numbers doesn't always mean better. The N3 is a complete waste of time in low light despite being able to record @ 4k. I'd like to have seen the guy walking around (camera movement) with both devices as this would have shown which device was better when watching both playbacks.
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Apparently you didn't see the video comparison, which clearly shows Note 3 video is much sharper, even on low resolution screen and apparently you never looked at benchmarks, clearly showing that everything else being equal, phone running at higher GHz will run faster most of the time, otherwise you wouldn't call it a myth. As far as low light goes, every camera sucks, it just a matter of how little is not enough. Canon 5d has full size sensor, which is almost as big as half width of the phone and this size sensor could not be fitted in a small phone and forget about optics required, never the less, with huge handicap in sensor size, much, much lower price and basic optics, Note 3 is competitive in good light. In low light it is much worse, but if you ever went to the movie set, just about half of the equipment is lights to improve exposure and they have cameras costing more than most people house, so yeah, good light is required for all cameras if you want good video.
Hi, just want to find out if the ultra users record fhd at 60 frames with video stabilization on? I have done this twice now and the footage really isn't any good. The center is nicely focused, but to the sides it looks very soft/blurry. in 4k it looks great, but I stream the videos via wireless to my tv and with the 4k there is too much buffering...fhd streams fine. converting the videos from 4k to fhd seems a waste of time as it takes really long on my old pc. At this stage I feel it's almost worth the effort to convert the 4k to fhd to stream as there is such a big difference on the phone between the 4k and fhd. I don't understand all the technical jargon regarding 4k/resoltion etc but how much do I loose quality wise converting from 4k to fhd? The videos I take is from my daughter doing fast action sports(netball). The footage is in daylight with a lot of sun. Even the picture I take while recording is okay and some is blurry/double image, exactly like in the video. The attached shows the blurry effect...it's not motion blur, as per attached they were basically standing still. I use the dji mimo app sometimes and currently it only supports fhd 30 frames. The quality is much better via the app then the standard camera app
Anybody that has an opinion?