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[Q] transformer and high profile HD video

Hello
I want to buy the transformer but one thing is bothering me,will this device be able to run my High profile videos, flawlessly like blu ray rip for example ?
a BluRay Rip which seems like 480-720p (according to mediainfo)
video: 761 Kbps
codec : XviD
resolution : 640x272
frame rate : 23.976 fps
audio: 2.0 MP3 128kbps
another blu ray RIP 1080p :
Format: MKV
Overall bit rate: 5 759 Kbps
Video Bit rate: 5 000 Kbps
Display aspect ratio : 1920 x 1080 (16:9)
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Writing library: x264 core 88
it's a very decisive aspect, maybe I will wait for exynos tablet (mali400), because we told me that tegra2 was limited regarding 1080p high profile...
thanks

Not got my transformer yet so not had a chance to play around with video yet but there is a post on the handbrake forums that explains a little.
Not able to post links yet but its in the devices page of the handbrake forums and the post is titled Motorola XOOM.
Basically says tegra can do sd in high profile, 720p in main (normal in handbrake) and 1080p needs to be baseline (not sure what you set to get this).

gbroon said:
Not got my transformer yet so not had a chance to play around with video yet but there is a post on the handbrake forums that explains a little.
Not able to post links yet but its in the devices page of the handbrake forums and the post is titled Motorola XOOM.
Basically says tegra can do sd in high profile, 720p in main (normal in handbrake) and 1080p needs to be baseline (not sure what you set to get this).
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Thanks, that was what I feared 1080p baseline... all my movie rips are high profile, I guess I will have to wait for the next generation tablet: june-september...

wicktus said:
Thanks, that was what I feared 1080p baseline... all my movie rips are high profile, I guess I will have to wait for the next generation tablet: june-september...
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Going by what NVidia have said regarding their next-gen processor (Kal-el), it should be ~5 times more powerful than the current Tegra 2's. They even demo'd a Kal-el tablet playing 1080p content to a HDTV in 1080p. Hopefully that would meet your needs.

I'm looking to load some of the kids DVD ,s on for trips away to keep them occupied ,is it going to be lengthy process to get them to play ok
LEEDROID DESIRE HD using XDA PREMIUM

for the kids heck 320 x ?? should be good enough since I doubt they'll be complaining about quality. you'll get tons of movies loaded and at that res and a lower bitrate they'll convert very fast.

KAL-EL Saw the shogun 2 demo, My god I think I'll wait august to buy a tegra3 tablet, would be stupid not too, i just hope it will be an asus or msi one...

[Q] HD Playback issues - H/W or S/W related

Guys,
Can someone enlighten me on whether playing HD 720p hi profile H.264 files are a h/w issue (Tegra 2 limitation) or a s/w issue (Honeycomb drivers/video player app limitation)?
I keep hearing it's honeycomb (and hence s/w issue which should be fixable by s/w udpate) and then I hear it's Tegra 2 issue (and hence h/w issue which can only be fixed with Tegra 3 device).
If it is Tegra 2 issue, I am leaning towards canceling my order and waiting for Tegra3. I have a lot of videos which are H264 720p Hi profile that I was hoping to watch on the TF.
I currently have a SGT which will tide me over....
What I would like is some confirmation that is indeed h/w issue....
Here is a response from another thread from a member that thinks it is a h/w issue:
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Its not a honeycomb issue. Its a tegra 2 issue and it is not a software issue its hardware. H.264 does not work good or at all. You have to use MPEG4. I used a 720p video that plays great on my ipad 2 and had to convert to mpeg4. I tried to get good quality from MPEG4 and it increased the file size from 5.6 to 9 gigs. I swore to never buy a tegra 2 device again after testing other tegra 2 tablet & phone but I keep getting sucked back in by the hype. I hate apple but I have nothing but good things to say about the ipad 2. Everything just works and its way way faster.
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But this says it is supposed to support hi profile 720p and base profile 1080p:
http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/item/21330-tegra-2-can-play-all-the-hd-you-can-imagine
Some think it is a s/w issue:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-968308.html
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=977100&page=2
Any definitive answer?
KG

As far as my understanding goes, there are 2 HD playback issues here.
1) Issue with choppy playback of HD video files 720p or 1080p, its a Tegra 2 hardware issue, not a Honeycomb issue.
2) Issue with choppy playback of Youtube HD 720p videos using Flash, its a Honeycomb issue, which is expected to be fixed soon via an update.

Srikar_NBK said:
1) Issue with choppy playback of HD video files 720p or 1080p, its a Tegra 2 hardware issue, not a Honeycomb issue.
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And how do you know this? nVidia itself has stated that Tegra 2 is able to play up to 1080p main profile, let alone 720p main. If it can't, then the most logical reason is software not taking advantage of this. I highly doubt nVidia is shipping the Tegra2 with chip features turned off.

Correct me if I'm wrong here but isn't it a codec issue? I know moboplayer has codecs for the T2 but I'm not sure which codec to use since they have a bunch.

Srikar_NBK said:
As far as my understanding goes, there are 2 HD playback issues here.
1) Issue with choppy playback of HD video files 720p or 1080p, its a Tegra 2 hardware issue, not a Honeycomb issue.
2) Issue with choppy playback of Youtube HD 720p videos using Flash, its a Honeycomb issue, which is expected to be fixed soon via an update.
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Srikar,
I am only talking about 720p Hi profile movie files that I will want to copy to the transformer for playback while traveling etc.. I am NOT talking about playing youtube HD playback in browser or via youtube app.
I know this is HC issue and will be fixed with the new Adobe bundled into next version of HC.
So we are only talking about issue 1 here...

It reference to the Ipad, its easy for Apple to optimized the OS to be very efficient because they control the hardware, they dont need to make the OS compaitible with different hardware, they can tailor the OS specifically for a processor to get the best performance
While on the other hand their is android, and Honeycomb was also rushed out, it may not have the best optimization for Tegra
I'm just speculating,
I am going to see what is announced at google IO in the couple weeks
Nvidia said the first Tegra 3 tablet is going to be coming out this August, and i have not heard anything yet, so my guess is we might see a Tegra 3 device towards 2012
Also note that performance can vary depending on software
On the MoDaCo ROM you can get over 3000 in quadrant, while stock Transformer from Asus can get around 1900
http://android.modaco.com/content/a...-custom-rom-for-the-asus-eee-pad-transformer/
Overall, i think the Tegra 2 is capable of playing HD video quite well, it is just the lack of optimization in the OS

edge929 said:
And how do you know this? nVidia itself has stated that Tegra 2 is able to play up to 1080p main profile, let alone 720p main. If it can't, then the most logical reason is software not taking advantage of this. I highly doubt nVidia is shipping the Tegra2 with chip features turned off.
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That is exactly what I have been thinking, according to the fudzilla article I linked earlier, it clearly is supposed to be able to play 720p Hi profile..
Nvidia's own specs page doesn't give details on profile:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/tegra-2.html
but the wiki says 1080p main is supported, which I take to mean anything UPTO 1080p Main. (which includes all 720p), maybe that's where I am wrong?:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_Tegra

Tegra2 can't decode main profile 1080p. It can decode files encoded with SOME of the main profile options though. What that means? That you can encode a video using specific options from main profile that are compatible with Tegra2 and it will play. The problem is - most of the videos available are not even main profile - the are all high profile. And on high profile Tegra2 just chokes.
Motorola had a fine specification what Tegra2 allows and how to encode videos for it. It's probably it: https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/63258/kw/video/p/7901,7906

Magnesus said:
Tegra2 can't decode main profile 1080p. It can decode files encoded with SOME of the main profile options though. What that means? That you can encode a video using specific options from main profile that are compatible with Tegra2 and it will play. The problem is - most of the videos available are not even main profile - the are all high profile. And on high profile Tegra2 just chokes.
Motorola had a fine specification what Tegra2 allows and how to encode videos for it.
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Magnesus, understood on 1080p, but I am mainly concerned with 720p hi profile. i can live without 1080p until Tegra3. As you said, most available videos are hi profile.....

I'd love to see what the CPU and GPU usage levels are when playing back 720p main/high profile. Is there a widget that shows this?
I will experiment with the existing Handbrake profile to get the best performance/quality/file-size tonight based on that Xoom article. 4GB for a 1.5 hour 720p baseline is horrible. I have many 720p high profile 2 hour movies under 1GB, MP4, H.264, 2chan AAC, subs.

I'm pretty sure it is a hardware related issue. It's has been how many months now that Tegra 2 devices have come out? Nvidia would have release an update by now if it was software related. Also, look at the tegra wiki page, isn't it pretty obvious the tegra 2 has no high profile and neon support. If it did it would have been listed like in the Tegra 3 section.
From what I gather around the net, the problem seems to point at the weak GPU found in Tegra 2.

High profile HD videos yet?

Has there been any progress with the tegra2 limitations on high profile HD videos, especially with 3.2 or will this never be fixed?
there are way too many high profile hd videos out there for this to not work on any name brand tablets (except Archos ironically and jailbroken ipad1/2).

For 720p try diceplayer. Works for most MKVs and is the best we'll get probably...

akaria said:
For 720p try diceplayer. Works for most MKVs and is the best we'll get probably...
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is it hardware acceleration for high profile 720p videos?

superflysocal said:
is it hardware acceleration for high profile 720p videos?
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Yes. It is. There's a thread in the app section somewhere where the dev is actively talking to people on xda. It's worth the $4. I play 720P high profile videos often, but it takes either a really good SDcard, or use the internal memory. A slow (aka <10 mbps I think...my 6mbps usd card doesn't play well) card will make it not work. For obvious bandwidth issues.

superflysocal said:
is it hardware acceleration for high profile 720p videos?
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Hi I just installed it and it works!
My high profile 720p mkv files are playing very smooth.
But I cannot understand WHY this the DicePlayer is the only player
that can play such files smoothly. Maybe it uses hardware decoding for video and software decoding for audio?

chaykee said:
Hi I just installed it and it works!
My high profile 720p mkv files are playing very smooth.
But I cannot understand WHY this the DicePlayer is the only player
that can play such files smoothly. Maybe it uses hardware decoding for video and software decoding for audio?
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thats exactly what it does.

darkhawkff said:
Yes. It is. There's a thread in the app section somewhere where the dev is actively talking to people on xda. It's worth the $4. I play 720P high profile videos often, but it takes either a really good SDcard, or use the internal memory. A slow (aka <10 mbps I think...my 6mbps usd card doesn't play well) card will make it not work. For obvious bandwidth issues.
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class 10 is 10 megabytes per second... in order for video content to exceed that bandwidth, it'd be 600 megabytes per minute of video, or 36gb per hour of video. Bandwidth is not an issue.
also keep in mind classes are WRITE speeds, not read, read is almost always faster than write.

I can't get the demo to play without sticking after a few seconds. Tried various 720p MKV's. Running off a class 6 MicroSD.

I tried this and now about 1/2 to 3/4 of my 720p files can be played smoothly.
Wondering though, the ones that do play, have a slight pixelated appearance to them, I was dissapointed in its visual appearance. I don't think its related to this player but the Tf in general? Perhaps bitrate is not high enough and that's why it was able to play?
The thing is if I play this on my archos 70 or ipad1 with XBMC, the picture quality is perfect, HD looking.
Anyone noticing this?

I find that curious as well. Noticed the same thing which wonders me since 720p should be mapped 1:1 on the transformer screen. But you can really notice the difference to a (baseline) encoded 1080p Video!

Can Dice Player play movies from NAS drive? And if you need thread about dice I think it is this one: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=16273817#post16273817

superflysocal said:
I tried this and now about 1/2 to 3/4 of my 720p files can be played smoothly.
Wondering though, the ones that do play, have a slight pixelated appearance to them, I was dissapointed in its visual appearance. I don't think its related to this player but the Tf in general? Perhaps bitrate is not high enough and that's why it was able to play?
The thing is if I play this on my archos 70 or ipad1 with XBMC, the picture quality is perfect, HD looking.
Anyone noticing this?
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I played Rango in a 720P DiVXHD the other day (in MoboPlayer I believe), and I was really impressed with the quality (playing over the network nonetheless)... I'l have to go back and try it again and really pay attention to the visual quality of it. Overall though, I thought it looked great, and noticeably better than any of the 480p videos I play on it.

When I was saying that video playback gets stuck I meant I was using the Diceplayer 3 day trial version. Everything I played that contained a AC3 or DTS track caused the video to freeze after a few seconds of playback. FF a bit and it plays then freezes again.

deadman3000 said:
When I was saying that video playback gets stuck I meant I was using the Diceplayer 3 day trial version. Everything I played that contained a AC3 or DTS track caused the video to freeze after a few seconds of playback. FF a bit and it plays then freezes again.
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Because the player is only using the cpu to decode the ac3 audiostream. Combine this with the load from the video-decoding and there is not enough cpu power. Even at 1500Mhz i have not enough power for all my mkvs.

I tend to forget that when I ran a 2.4Ghz AMD CPU on my desktop the highest res I could play were 720p MKV's most of the time. I am guessing some sorta hardware acceleration needs to be achieved in the codecs for it to play them smoothly?

I recorded a Full HD MP4 video with my Samsung Galaxy S2, where I can play back it absolutely smoothly. Then I copied it to my TF's internal SD card and it stutters like hell with the same player.
I would never have expected this, because both devices should have pretty similar performance hardwarewise.

Aymara said:
I recorded a Full HD MP4 video with my Samsung Galaxy S2, where I can play back it absolutely smoothly. Then I copied it to my TF's internal SD card and it stutters like hell with the same player.
I would never have expected this, because both devices should have pretty similar performance hardwarewise.
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Full HD is not good.
Tegra 2 only supports Baseline for Full HD. You should check the video and which profile it has.

sontin said:
Full HD is not good.
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But it should be. If you search Google for "Tegra 2 Full HD Video" you'll find several hints, that it should work like a charm, like in THIS product presentation video. I wonder, which player they are using in this demo.

Aymara said:
But it should be. If you search Google for "Tegra 2 Full HD Video" you'll find several hints, that it should work like a charm, like in THIS product presentation video. I wonder, which player they are using in this demo.
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Tegra 2 is able to play Full HD but (and this is a big but) only Baseline Profile.
And that's the problem: Baseline is dying which makes Full HD on Tegra 2 a useless feature.

I think it's this device/Honeycomb. I had no issues playing main profile with B-frames (no CABAC/Weighted-P or B-frames) on my Elocity A7 (Froyo). Same files do not play on Transformer.
I could never get CABAC to work, but even 2.35 cropped 1080p files played.
I'm really impressed that Dice can do mkv. It's very computationally intensive as far as containers go. Might have to give it a try.
Something's jacked up and one day it will magicly fix itself.
The main info thread said that 3.2 was supposed to have better media support. What works better?

720p mkvs and ICS

so i was hoping that ICS would fix all the mkv issues since on my galaxy nexus every mkv i have plays perfectly.
but sadly that is not the case. MX and BS players are the best and only lag when theres a lot of things going on, like the final battle in thor.
anyway, my mkvs are all that high baseband or whatever, and i haven't bothered redoing them, or trying to convert them because i was hoping that ICS would actually allow them to play.
now that it hasn't, i guess it's finally time to convert them all so i can play them.
so i'm asking for help for a program that will allow me to convert all of these so that they can actually play on the transformer, but without any loss of quality, or any increase in file size. currently they're all around 7GB.

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This is probably not the exact answer you're looking for but you can read this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1060825
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Use DicePlayer, supports hardware decode
Sent from Galaxy Nexus (GSM)

@curti: not sure if that will do what i want, but i'll give it a shot. i'll try anything at this point.
@nxt: DicePlayer is unable to play high profile 720p mkvs on the transformer without lag. This is true in all versions of honeycomb and in ICS. and ICS makes it even worse. Only players that are even somewhat watchable are MX and BS, and both still lag.

quick smart arse answer- stop whining, recode your goddam videos and accept the fact that the Tegra 2 chip is and always will be underpowered to play mkv's.
question: who the hell wants to play mkv's on a 10inch tab anyway, get a TV.

bob dylan said:
quick smart arse answer- stop whining, recode your goddam videos and accept the fact that the Tegra 2 chip is and always will be underpowered to play mkv's.
question: who the hell wants to play mkv's on a 10inch tab anyway, get a TV.
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if you bothered to even read my original post, i asked how to recode them.
And i want to play mkvs on a 10 inch tab because i can't carry around a tv to school or on an airplane, and my tab has an HDMI out that i can plug it into a TV to play said videos.

also make sure you have the tegra 2 plugin for dice player, works fine for avi and mkv on ICS.

I use xenonmkv to transcode. It leaves the video alone but repacks the video and audio in a mp4 format. More tegra2 friendly.

720p mkv should play natively on ics as of now.I got them playing though I encountered an issue with audio not working with the stock app.

@bob dylan: i have the tegra2 plugin installed. dice lags so bad everything is unwatchable.
@pongo: sounds like an idea. any changes in file size? my mkvs are around 7gb, i don't want them to get any bigger.
@DarkLG: not sure how your able to play them, myself and many others are unable to get them to work properly on any player.

Use handbrake to recode ur vids , soo many options so i betting ull find 1 that works for you
ive been using the high profile option in handbrake and i havnt had a issuse yet..

Ligerblue said:
Use handbrake to recode ur vids , soo many options so i betting ull find 1 that works for you
ive been using the high profile option in handbrake and i havnt had a issuse yet..
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that defeats the purpose of this thread.... even a Galaxy S1 can decode high profile 720p MKV with dice player and stock, there should absolutely be NO reason why a asus transformer on a duo-core can't process 720p mkvs when a single core can.
encoding a video takes too much time and it shouldn't be necessary.

zephiK said:
that defeats the purpose of this thread.... even a Galaxy S1 can decode high profile 720p MKV with dice player and stock, there should absolutely be NO reason why a asus transformer on a duo-core can't process 720p mkvs when a single core can.
encoding a video takes too much time and it shouldn't be necessary.
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actually zephik, my original post was asking how to reencode them to get them to work. so he was right in what he said.
I do agree with you though, there is no reason why the transformer can't do it other than issues in honeycomb and ICS. my galaxy nexus can play even do 1080p videos without any issues, but i'd much rather watch things on a 10" screen instead of a 4.6"

zephiK said:
there should absolutely be NO reason why a asus transformer on a duo-core can't process 720p mkvs when a single core can.
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neok44 said:
I do agree with you though, there is no reason why the transformer can't do it other than issues in honeycomb and ICS. my galaxy nexus can play even do 1080p videos without any issues, but i'd much rather watch things on a 10" screen instead of a 4.6"
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Why the hell you keep comparing Tegra 2 with Nexus's TI OMAP cpu assisted with PowerVR GPU? Despite same Cortex-A9 "base" architecture those are totally different CPU/GPU systems. All you see is that marketing bull**** with "CORES! Ghz!"?!
Tegra 2 is missing SIMD-instructions block needed to succesfully decode high profile/high bitrate h264 video in hardware accelerated mode. And you have nothing to do with it. Point.
And talking about high bitrate - 7GB sized videos looks like 9-10Mbps video stream for regular 1h40m movies. Thats way too high for Tegra2. Its upper limit is somewhere near 5Mbps. And preferable Main Profile encoded.
But if you want - you can continue complaining and comparing your TF with nexus or whatever you want. Thats pointless.
So the bottom line is - reencode.
You can find Handbrake profile on this forum, for example. Or try to find best acceptable settings yourself.

justmara said:
Why the hell you keep comparing Tegra 2 with Nexus's TI OMAP cpu assisted with PowerVR GPU? Despite same Cortex-A9 "base" architecture those are totally different CPU/GPU systems. All you see is that marketing bull**** with "CORES! Ghz!"?!
Tegra 2 is missing SIMD-instructions block needed to succesfully decode high profile/high bitrate h264 video in hardware accelerated mode. And you have nothing to do with it. Point.
And talking about high bitrate - 7GB sized videos looks like 9-10Mbps video stream for regular 1h40m movies. Thats way too high for Tegra2. Its upper limit is somewhere near 5Mbps. And preferable Main Profile encoded.
But if you want - you can continue complaining and comparing your TF with nexus or whatever you want. Thats pointless.
So the bottom line is - reencode.
You can find Handbrake profile on this forum, for example. Or try to find best acceptable settings yourself.
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i think the reason why people, myself included, assumed that is because the tegra2 was being shown off as being capable of playing HD video, which, it is, but just not all hd video, and not the most common form of it, in the high profile.
i do thank you for giving a technical reason though. i had always been under the impression that the tegra is simply the most powerful out there, when i got my Gnex, that was proven very wrong.
i've been looking into the reencoding, as well as reripping. and thanks to a few good posters i have some good setups. Now just to setup my laptop and hopefully that will be powerful enough so it doesn't take 20 hours to do one movie.

[Q] Processor required for HIGH BITRATE video playback?

How powerful of a processor do you need to play high bitrate (let's say over 5mbps) videos? Does GPU matter for this or is it purely CPU based? Are there any devices today that can handle this task?
I have a Note N7000 (1.4ghz dual-core Cortex-A9) which struggles with anything that isn't a low bitrate 480p (Cyanogenmod helped but it still can't handle HD). Would like my next phone or tablet to be able to play full-hd quality videos.

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If its using CPU, its doing it wrong. Video uses the GPU along with its hardware accelerated codecs (decoders).
You have a MALI-400MP GPU, no slouch for 3d gaming, so im leaning towards lack of good hardware decoder / very poor drivers.
(Edit: I just tried 4.5GB 720p 'the social network' mpeg4 4500kbit quality... no problems using quickpic player off internal storage)
[edit2: I just checked my self-shot videos, and they are 16Mbit 1080p x264, what video codec are you tried to decode? ]