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Choppy playback wmv

Is it just me or does the wmv playback suck on the touch pro? rly bad fps at a fairly low reso

Hmm.. what resolution?
Can you test this video and post back the results? It's a WMV at 320 x 240.
Thanks

640x480 with sound at 1000kbps
My old universal would have lagged doing this but only to about the same extent the apparently more powerful touch pro seems to be, and the universal didn't even have any acceleration.
I will test the other video shortly, do you know a good player that will feed back fps? (running the .405 firmware btw)

You can try also CorePlayer. It's not free though
.. But I'm not really sure that will play on full FPS.
divx/xvid video is played better.

DSF said:
You can try also CorePlayer. It's not free though
.. But I'm not really sure that will play on full FPS.
divx/xvid video is played better.
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I tried core, it is worse than media player by a long shot with the wmv I know my n95 should be able to play something of this bitrate even though it took some addons to get wmv and the screen was lower reso.
It's a real shame seeing as the touch pro is over a year and a half newer. Qtv says it only decodes 30fps upto 384kbps which isn't very good Surely a 528mhz ARM11 with no radio overheads should be able to handle it on its own though :S
Maybe it's wmv that's particualy bad as it strikes me as poorly optimised for the hardware

For sure wmv needs more power .. too bad that the qualcomm cpu's are not soo good at video decoding/encoding (at least from what I've read) .
BTW, can you post the result for the video posted by me?

Seems like we are getting into a very old and long worn argument here.
WinMo apps such as Media player SUCK and we all know it and it is even worse on this devices screen res.
The latest version of Coreplayer I have plays most files very well but is still not optimised for the Touch Pro screen res yet.
Give it time chaps, like a Million years for Microsoft to catch up with the Hardware...

[Q] HD Playback issues - H/W or S/W related

Guys,
Can someone enlighten me on whether playing HD 720p hi profile H.264 files are a h/w issue (Tegra 2 limitation) or a s/w issue (Honeycomb drivers/video player app limitation)?
I keep hearing it's honeycomb (and hence s/w issue which should be fixable by s/w udpate) and then I hear it's Tegra 2 issue (and hence h/w issue which can only be fixed with Tegra 3 device).
If it is Tegra 2 issue, I am leaning towards canceling my order and waiting for Tegra3. I have a lot of videos which are H264 720p Hi profile that I was hoping to watch on the TF.
I currently have a SGT which will tide me over....
What I would like is some confirmation that is indeed h/w issue....
Here is a response from another thread from a member that thinks it is a h/w issue:
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Its not a honeycomb issue. Its a tegra 2 issue and it is not a software issue its hardware. H.264 does not work good or at all. You have to use MPEG4. I used a 720p video that plays great on my ipad 2 and had to convert to mpeg4. I tried to get good quality from MPEG4 and it increased the file size from 5.6 to 9 gigs. I swore to never buy a tegra 2 device again after testing other tegra 2 tablet & phone but I keep getting sucked back in by the hype. I hate apple but I have nothing but good things to say about the ipad 2. Everything just works and its way way faster.
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But this says it is supposed to support hi profile 720p and base profile 1080p:
http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/item/21330-tegra-2-can-play-all-the-hd-you-can-imagine
Some think it is a s/w issue:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-968308.html
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=977100&page=2
Any definitive answer?
KG

As far as my understanding goes, there are 2 HD playback issues here.
1) Issue with choppy playback of HD video files 720p or 1080p, its a Tegra 2 hardware issue, not a Honeycomb issue.
2) Issue with choppy playback of Youtube HD 720p videos using Flash, its a Honeycomb issue, which is expected to be fixed soon via an update.

Srikar_NBK said:
1) Issue with choppy playback of HD video files 720p or 1080p, its a Tegra 2 hardware issue, not a Honeycomb issue.
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And how do you know this? nVidia itself has stated that Tegra 2 is able to play up to 1080p main profile, let alone 720p main. If it can't, then the most logical reason is software not taking advantage of this. I highly doubt nVidia is shipping the Tegra2 with chip features turned off.

Correct me if I'm wrong here but isn't it a codec issue? I know moboplayer has codecs for the T2 but I'm not sure which codec to use since they have a bunch.

Srikar_NBK said:
As far as my understanding goes, there are 2 HD playback issues here.
1) Issue with choppy playback of HD video files 720p or 1080p, its a Tegra 2 hardware issue, not a Honeycomb issue.
2) Issue with choppy playback of Youtube HD 720p videos using Flash, its a Honeycomb issue, which is expected to be fixed soon via an update.
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Srikar,
I am only talking about 720p Hi profile movie files that I will want to copy to the transformer for playback while traveling etc.. I am NOT talking about playing youtube HD playback in browser or via youtube app.
I know this is HC issue and will be fixed with the new Adobe bundled into next version of HC.
So we are only talking about issue 1 here...

It reference to the Ipad, its easy for Apple to optimized the OS to be very efficient because they control the hardware, they dont need to make the OS compaitible with different hardware, they can tailor the OS specifically for a processor to get the best performance
While on the other hand their is android, and Honeycomb was also rushed out, it may not have the best optimization for Tegra
I'm just speculating,
I am going to see what is announced at google IO in the couple weeks
Nvidia said the first Tegra 3 tablet is going to be coming out this August, and i have not heard anything yet, so my guess is we might see a Tegra 3 device towards 2012
Also note that performance can vary depending on software
On the MoDaCo ROM you can get over 3000 in quadrant, while stock Transformer from Asus can get around 1900
http://android.modaco.com/content/a...-custom-rom-for-the-asus-eee-pad-transformer/
Overall, i think the Tegra 2 is capable of playing HD video quite well, it is just the lack of optimization in the OS

edge929 said:
And how do you know this? nVidia itself has stated that Tegra 2 is able to play up to 1080p main profile, let alone 720p main. If it can't, then the most logical reason is software not taking advantage of this. I highly doubt nVidia is shipping the Tegra2 with chip features turned off.
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That is exactly what I have been thinking, according to the fudzilla article I linked earlier, it clearly is supposed to be able to play 720p Hi profile..
Nvidia's own specs page doesn't give details on profile:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/tegra-2.html
but the wiki says 1080p main is supported, which I take to mean anything UPTO 1080p Main. (which includes all 720p), maybe that's where I am wrong?:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_Tegra

Tegra2 can't decode main profile 1080p. It can decode files encoded with SOME of the main profile options though. What that means? That you can encode a video using specific options from main profile that are compatible with Tegra2 and it will play. The problem is - most of the videos available are not even main profile - the are all high profile. And on high profile Tegra2 just chokes.
Motorola had a fine specification what Tegra2 allows and how to encode videos for it. It's probably it: https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/63258/kw/video/p/7901,7906

Magnesus said:
Tegra2 can't decode main profile 1080p. It can decode files encoded with SOME of the main profile options though. What that means? That you can encode a video using specific options from main profile that are compatible with Tegra2 and it will play. The problem is - most of the videos available are not even main profile - the are all high profile. And on high profile Tegra2 just chokes.
Motorola had a fine specification what Tegra2 allows and how to encode videos for it.
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Magnesus, understood on 1080p, but I am mainly concerned with 720p hi profile. i can live without 1080p until Tegra3. As you said, most available videos are hi profile.....

I'd love to see what the CPU and GPU usage levels are when playing back 720p main/high profile. Is there a widget that shows this?
I will experiment with the existing Handbrake profile to get the best performance/quality/file-size tonight based on that Xoom article. 4GB for a 1.5 hour 720p baseline is horrible. I have many 720p high profile 2 hour movies under 1GB, MP4, H.264, 2chan AAC, subs.

I'm pretty sure it is a hardware related issue. It's has been how many months now that Tegra 2 devices have come out? Nvidia would have release an update by now if it was software related. Also, look at the tegra wiki page, isn't it pretty obvious the tegra 2 has no high profile and neon support. If it did it would have been listed like in the Tegra 3 section.
From what I gather around the net, the problem seems to point at the weak GPU found in Tegra 2.

[Q] Any chance of running 720p or higher .mkv format videos smoothly in the future?

So I had the G2X and returned it within my 2 week period because of software glitches and such. I was contemplating getting it again today because Costco has it for $100 for upgrades, but the coupon expires today.
Anyway, one feature affecting my decision is the G2X not natively playing .mkv formats, and market software isn't good enough to play HD videos in .mkv format smoothly. Is there a possibility that this might be changed in the future (for example, is current software not utilizing GPU or something of the sorts)? Or is it hardware limitation?

From what I've heard, it's a hardware limitation--the Tegra2 is not capable of decoding HD h.264 HP4.1 and beyond (most HD MKVs fall into this category, unless you're encoding them yourself.) The Samsung Galaxy S II is capable of doing 1080p HP4.1 with GPU acceleration, I believe.
The Tegra2 supposedly has hardware support for decoding HD 1080p VC1, though there aren't any applications taking advantage of this as far as I'm aware.

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From what I've heard, it's a hardware limitation--the Tegra2 is not capable of decoding HD h.264 HP4.1 and beyond (most HD MKVs fall into this category, unless you're encoding them yourself.) The Samsung Galaxy S II is capable of doing 1080p HP4.1 with GPU acceleration, I believe.
The Tegra2 supposedly has hardware support for decoding HD 1080p VC1, though there aren't any applications taking advantage of this as far as I'm aware.
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If you check Optimus 2X forums they seem to have gotten an update that supports both mkv and 720p HP4.1. I would assume we would get a similar update eventually.

i could have sworn i was able to play my mkv files using rock player and one other video player couple weeks ago using both hardware/software option.

Maximum Video Encoded level for stutter free playback?

I'm looking to a upgrade from my current handset, an old school Nokia 6120c.
What is most important to me is that the new phone (HTC Desire S) be able to play videos encoded at a "High:L5.1" level within a mkv container, or at least High:L4.1 as most 720p tv shows i got downloaded are at that encoding level.
Thee videos will not be played from local storage (Phone/SD Card) rather they wil be streamed from my NAS which is running TwonkeyServer.
The toss up over what phone to get came down to which had the better chipset, more specifically the better gpu in terms of hardware acceleration to play these 720p videos without a single stutter.
Not wanting to blow too muh dosh, im keeping it to a simple single core cpu, so I found myself stuck in deciding between the "MSM8255 Snapdragon" and the "Humming Bird" chipset.
The 2nd generation snapdragon has a snappier cpu however the humming birds gpu seems much better still.
So, heres hoping some of you guys have already given this a thought.
1. At what most encoding level does the HTC Desire S play videos stutter free?
2. Does Diceplayer offer hardware virtuasisation for mkv files (xvid/x264) on the Desire S?
3. Since Videos are being streamed by TwonkeyServer from my NAS, is their "less effort" for the Desire S to play these videos? As apposed to playing them from local storage?

I don't have an answer for your question but I do have a question for you.
Why do you need to watch 720p video on a screen that is less than 4"?
I have never understood this need for devices with such small screens to playback such high rez video other than that which has been filmed on it.
Surely a standard xvid would look just as good on the small screen.

^ not to mention that both the Desire S nor the Galaxy S have a horizontal video resolution of 480, so watching a 720p video would be scaled down significantly anyway.

stonedandhappy said:
I don't have an answer for your question but I do have a question for you.
Why do you need to watch 720p video on a screen that is less than 4"?
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Surely a standard xvid would look just as good on the small screen.
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Yeh it sure would, however i dont have the time or effort to be re-encoding videos all the time. I have "Sickbeard" download all the TV shows i have subscribed to my NAS box daily, so i would just like to stream the videos directly to my phone without messing around all the time with encodes and re-sizing videos everyday..

bseos said:
I'm looking to a upgrade from my current handset, an old school Nokia 6120c.
1. At what most encoding level does the HTC Desire S play videos stutter free?
2. Does Diceplayer offer hardware virtuasisation for mkv files (xvid/x264) on the Desire S?
3. Since Videos are being streamed by TwonkeyServer from my NAS, is their "less effort" for the Desire S to play these videos? As apposed to playing them from local storage?
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If you want playing 720p H.264 [email protected],5.1 video, buy Smasung(Hummingbird,Exynos) , Dual core snapdragon.
QSD8255 is not good at playing 720p H.264 [email protected]/5.x video.
1. 3.1 is Shutter free level.
2. YES
3. Subs have some problems. UPNP(DLNA) is not good for subs.
I recommand CIFS export + cifs mount using cifs.ko

juami said:
If you want playing 720p H.264 [email protected],5.1 video, buy Smasung(Hummingbird,Exynos) , Dual core snapdragon.
QSD8255 is not good at playing 720p H.264 [email protected]/5.x video.
1. 3.1 is Shutter free level.
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Isnt that for the 1st generation snapdragon "QSD8250" (The 1st Desire with hard buttons)?
diceplayer.inisoft.co.kr said:
Supported devices
* Samsung Galaxy S2 : 1080p H.264 [email protected]/MPEG-4,1080i AVCHD MTS
* Samsung Galaxy S and variants : 720p H.264 [email protected]
* HTC Nexus-1,Desire and QSD8250 baesd devices : 720p H.264 [email protected]
=> May need libOmxVdec.so patch.
* HTC Sensation,Evo 4G+.Evo 3D : 720p [email protected]/1080p [email protected](some 1080p files have shuttering)
* HTC Desire HD,ThunderBolt : 720p [email protected]/4.0(some Level 4.0 file have shutter problem)
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2nd generation snapdragon "MSM8255" with Adreno 205 GPU as opposed to Adreno 200 should be ~4 times quicker. So in theory shouldn't it be able to play videos of higher level encoding?
EDIT: Oh my bad, seems you were right about High:L3.1 being the highest shutter free level
As i turns out The HTC Desire S has the same chipset as the HTC Desire HD, which is actually included in the above supported list of devices. Well im **** outta luck then
Still dont understand how even with the 205 Adreno GPU it failed to play anything higher :S
I really liked the look of the HTC Desire S, and its dimensions closely resembled the iphone4 which i believe is just the perfect size for a phone.

playback 1080i mpeg2 choppy?

I had previously bought and returned tf700 because playback was choppy when playing my mpeg2 1080i video's. This is the format my videos are in and i dont want to re encode. I was also only getting 2 hr's. Battery life while watching my mpeg2's. Does that sound right? Ipickf i was to root and overclock would it make video playback much smoother? If so and im on ebay looking for tf700, do i need to ask anything to know its android compatible?

That doesn't sound right to me at least. Tegra 3 should support MPEG2 just fine (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=28677759), but I can't say for sure because most of my movies are encoded in H.264. If you have a sample video, I would gladly give it a double check. Btw, just to be thorough, what player did you use? Did you play your videos with hardware acceleration? You will definitely drain your battery faster if you use software decoders to play videos (using the CPU) instead of hardware decoder (offloading the task to GPU).

As far as i know mpeg2 does not support hw acceleration. i use mx player. Basically im looking for a 10 inch display for the cheapest i can find that can handle my 1080i mpeg's, taken from TiVo. I thought tf700 might fit the bill?

leif2 said:
As far as i know mpeg2 does not support hw acceleration. i use mx player. Basically im looking for a 10 inch display for the cheapest i can find that can handle my 1080i mpeg's, taken from TiVo. I thought tf700 might fit the bill?
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If you look at Tegra 3's spec sheet on Nvidia website, it is stated that Tegra 3 fully support MPEG-2 decoding, so I don't think what you say is true. Regardless, why don't you provide a sample video or at least other information regarding your videos like bit rates, formats, profiles, etc...? And btw, MX Player has its own decoder called "H/W+", have you tried it? You should also give Dice Player and BS Player a try if you haven't.
If all else fails, just get a Nexus 10, people have played really high bit-rate videos on the Nexus 10 that far exceed any videos you encounter normally.