I knew that there was a port on Pre, the Pre Plus has a much faster processor (can be overclocked to 1GHz) and larger memory, Can anyone make Android run on Pre Plus?
I'm pretty sure that once the touchpad is working fully, the devs will consider the pre series of phones
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I knew that there was a port on Pre, the Pre Plus has a much faster processor (can be overclocked to 1GHz) and larger memory, Can anyone make Android run on Pre Plus?
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It has the same processor. 600mhz. Overclockable to 1.2GHZ ON both. Pre has 256mb of ram and pre + has 512.
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doubt it. the pre and pre plus and even pre 2(afaik) had different hardware than pre3 and touchpad. i believe the old devices used TI omap chips where the new ones use qualcomm snapdragon.
ICS on 256mb ram would not be fun. Gingerbread perhaps
I would prefer to see webOS ported onto one of them fine devices that run Android. Any of them for that matter. The Verizon Droid Pro at least has a physical keyboard and the form factor of the Pixi.
ICS? Never.
Froyo or Gingerbread is more realistic
Pre+ has 512MB RAM and a cortex-A8, plenty of lesser spec devices running ICS fine. Personally, I got it just for webOS but horses for courses and all that.
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Just use this as info, but Optimus 3D is a dual core Cortex. Device shipped with 2.2. Expected update to 2.3.
Multicore support for Android starts from Honeycomb (3.0).
Check where the problem is
It all runs on Linux, which is multicore.
Does it mean that the android OS runs on one core, while apps can use 2 cores on 2.3 and older?
Umm yes and no. Android is a type of Linux but no the phone version 2.x and lower don't have multicore support. As of now only 3.0 does. When it comes out later this year 2.4 might have support as it is suppost to be 2.3 and 3.0 combined for phones since from. GOOGLE 3.0 will never be on phones for tablets only
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Umm yes and no. Android is a type of Linux but no the phone version 2.x and lower don't have multicore support. As of now only 3.0 does. When it comes out later this year 2.4 might have support as it is suppost to be 2.3 and 3.0 combined for phones since from. GOOGLE 3.0 will never be on phones for tablets only
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Pretty much this. 2.4 (the updated version of Honeycomb) is due to have dual core optimisation.
I do hope so, since I don't wanna buy a $600 phone to get lots of power loss
Just like setting up Windows 98 on an Intel Core i7 : funny but a bit idiot
Royal rumor. Multi threaded support already exists in the os.
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Royal rumor. Multi threaded support already exists in the os.
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Not quite sure...
You can run Windows 98 on a dual/quad core, but it's pretty useless. Isn't the same with Froyo/GBread ?
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Not quite sure...
You can run Windows 98 on a dual/quad core, but it's pretty useless. Isn't the same with Froyo/GBread ?
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No, not really the same at all. Android has had SMP support since the first versions I think. Honeycomb is just optimizing the Dalvik VM to better utilize the multi-core CPUs. The support has been there, but until now, there hasn't been reason to optimize it as much since all Android devices had been single core. How much of a boost this gives us will really remain to be seen.
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Just like setting up Windows 98 on an Intel Core i7 : funny but a bit idiot
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Uhh...my PC has that right now....
Does Windows 98 not support that or something?
(...Google Searching...)
Crap.
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Crap.
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http://help.lockergnome.com/windows2/98SE-dual-core--ftopict485285.html :
"98 will run on a dual-core CPU. The 98 kernel was not written with
multi-processor operation in mind so it will not perform the necessary
housekeeping and organization to activate both cores and allocate
processes to them. So 98 running on a dual-core will only use 1 of
the cores."
Of course, Core i7 changed lots of things so it will definitely not work with it
BTW, I also have a Core i7
Pretty sure that the poster a few before me is correct, dual-core is and always has been activated as part of the linux architechture, but Honeycomb (and probably LG's official 2.3 upgrade) will provide further optimisations.
An unexpected type of shootout between completely different products, but fun to read anyways. Not prefect since it is done on paper specs and not actual hardware:
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/38491/lg-optimus-vs-nintendo-3ds
Bad review , author has no idea what he is talking about , this phone does not have 4 gigs of RAM. It has 8 gigs of internal storage SSD and 512 MB of RAM.
Winner: LG Optimus 3D1GHz Dual-Core OMAP4, 4GB RAM, SGX540 GPU (LP DDR2)loser: Nintendo 3DS2x 266MHz ARM11 processors, 64MB RAM, PICA200 GPU
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It also plays host to a whopping 4GB of RAM which should be plenty for coping with all of the phone's basic functions as well as the 3D visuals
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Does this device really have the SGX540? The same GPU as the Galaxy S?
If it does, wouldn't that mean that there really won't be much improvement over the Galaxy S for single-threaded applications(seeing as, besides the 3D-ness and extra core, the specs are quite similar)? Are most Android apps/games/emulators/N64oid single-threaded?
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Does this device really have the SGX540? The same GPU as the Galaxy S?
If it does, wouldn't that mean that there really won't be much improvement over the Galaxy S for single-threaded applications(seeing as, besides the 3D-ness and extra core, the specs are quite similar)? Are most Android apps/games/emulators/N64oid single-threaded?
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The omap 4 is paired with an overclocked version of the sgx. If you check a thread on smartphonebenchmarks.com it will show the comparisons for the 2 different phones. As of now the overclocked version doesn't make a big difference until newer games are released that require more power. It gives the phone more life in terms of hardware . I would link but my g1 doesn't have the ram to save the state my apps are in. The g1 requires a full restart of apps which is inconvenient.
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I was a little iffy with getting a single core phone until I saw this. Kind of cool. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5OGlCDskA0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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I am the first to admit I know very little about this stuff, but IMO this comparison is crap! He's showing the advantage of 4G LTE, not the processor ... downloading apps and loading webpages/videos has more to do with the connectivity then the processor. He should have run quadrant or linpack, then I bet the dual core would have had the advantage.
Again, just my opinion ... and I am not a tech wiz by any means
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I am the first to admit I know very little about this stuff, but IMO this comparison is crap! He's showing the advantage of 4G LTE, not the processor ... downloading apps and loading webpages/videos has more to do with the connectivity then the processor. He should have run quadrant or linpack, then I bet the dual core would have had the advantage.
Again, just my opinion ... and I am not a tech wiz by any means
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A valid argument, but benchmarks are for the most part illegitimate. Having the synergy of components from the same manufacturer are more beneficial in real world usage.
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I would like to see a comparison of the same apps running side by side...
We all know that Wifi vs LTE vs HSPA+ vs EVDO Rev A can/will impact downloads/uploads.
Single Core vs Dual Core is about "local" or "on device" performance. i.e. Once the data or App is ON THE DEVICE...
While talking about Single Core vs Dual Core on Android devices, a question comes to my mind.... (My mind is a little fuzzy, because I thought I saw this talked about before, but I can't find where..)
What version of Android added support for Dual Core chips? This article -> http://www.slashgear.com/gingerbrea...-in-april-for-dual-core-app-support-07131280/ would make me believe that Android 2.2.x doesn't support dual core... (so it would be kind of like Windows initially, where the OS didn't natively support the additional cores, so while having them "helped" a little, you didn't completely see that impact until windows was updated).
Does the same hold true with the Dual Core Android phones that ship with Froyo (like the Droid X2, Atrix, etc.)? i.e. their OS doesn't fully support the dual core, so until they get an OS that does, their not going to see as much of a performance boost?
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He's showing the advantage of 4G LTE, not the processor ... downloading apps and loading webpages/videos has more to do with the connectivity then the processor.
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+1
If both phones were on the same LTE network or wifi, they would perform similarly
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What version of Android added support for Dual Core chips? This article -> http://www.slashgear.com/gingerbrea...-in-april-for-dual-core-app-support-07131280/ would make me believe that Android 2.2.x doesn't support dual core... (so it would be kind of like Windows initially, where the OS didn't natively support the additional cores, so while having them "helped" a little, you didn't completely see that impact until windows was updated).
Does the same hold true with the Dual Core Android phones that ship with Froyo (like the Droid X2, Atrix, etc.)? i.e. their OS doesn't fully support the dual core, so until they get an OS that does, their not going to see as much of a performance boost?
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Good question!
Guys ive been reading on net bout android phone ive been wanting to buy sgs3 but when I saw some forum saying quadcore is useless on sgs3 that its better having dual core and now I saw Xperia tx verion that won benchmark test that saying has better performance that sgs3 so guys what is the phone?
For me im into gaming RPG on android phone and net surfing music etc
I'm pretty sure only the international sgs3 has a quad core... but I may be wrong on that.
As far as cpu performance goes, I prefer the tegra processors over the snapdragons. LG optimus hd has one of these in a quad core version available oversees.
This isnt about opinions though, trust the benchmark results.
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Well it really depends on what you feel. Benchmarks are pointless. only real world use matters. I would give up the quad core for the 2gb of ram the US Moslem comes with but for gaming the spores line is your best bet as those are gaming devices
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Eh same could've been said about dual core when it first popped up for us. Its more about taking advantage of the cores that's the situation. Later versions of android are surely to take full capacity of the cores as more and more phones adopt. As for the phone, the gs3 is perfect for gaming, media, browsing ect. Although its plastic, the way its shipped makes it comfortable to hold in the hand
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The best overall performance for a phone has to be the Galaxy S3. It comes with a Snapdragon S4, which is an entirely NEW architecture. That means snapdragon is half a generation ahead of the tegra 3 and exynos 4 in terms of cpu design. The only drawback of the S4 is its gpu, as it only has an adreno 225, which is a slight upgrade from it's old gpu. Otherwise the Galaxy S3 is still a powerhouse.
As for gaming, the Tegra 3 has a slight edge due to NVIDIA forming partnerships with game developers and they optimize some games to run well on the tegra 3.
http://androidandme.com/2012/05/sma...erformance-gpu-battery-life-and-web-browsing/
Overall, real-performance is the almost the same for both phones, One X and GSIII, but with a slight edge to the GSIII for its superior S4.
i think sgs3 dual core version with 2gb ram wont be released in europe i only saw in italy is quadcore with 1gb ram T_T but ithink 1g ram is still good coz my father has sgs2 ^^
so if we will base on experience sgs3 is still the best ill gonna save a bit more for that phone XD
Anything Krait is good, the S4 is a very capable chip. The quad pro version will be a beast.
Exynos is fast as well, Nvidia is better for gaming. But it also depends on how well the manufacturers optimise their software to run on the hardware.
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Xperia TX. Go for it. No TouchWiz, better camera and design. Jelly Bean almost after launch.
it is very important to know if it is quad or dual cored. If it is quad then it will run faster because there is less stress on the cpu, then if it was dual. but, honestly, i ahve been using my droid incredible for a very long time. This is a 1 GHZ single core cpu and i use it heavily. i play n64 games on it without over clocking (the max cpu is like 1134 mhz, but i set it to about 600mhz and i can play with absolutely no lag.) so, what i am saying is that it doesn't matter if it is dual or quad cored because it is fast enough already. but, i know the international version, or at least the one i saw in india when i went there for vacation is quad. i think the USA version is quad as well. and btw, i have played with it. it's a great phone. the display is beautiful. the battery life is amazing. flash a kernel on it and i think you can run for 2-3 days with light/medium use in a single charge. go get that phone!
International galaxy s3 is quad core with 1gb a ram and is 1.4ghz which can be over clocked to 1.7ghz. I have an international galaxy s3 as I am from UK.
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quad core might not be fully usable at the moment but it will get better.
the main thing is the i9300 (international version) will have far more vast support then any carrier specific models us versions.
Benchamrk results are not that important
Get the S3 because its good for gaming with bigger screen and nice comfy shape :good:
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Guys ive been reading on net bout android phone ive been wanting to buy sgs3 but when I saw some forum saying quadcore is useless on sgs3 that its better having dual core and now I saw Xperia tx verion that won benchmark test that saying has better performance that sgs3 so guys what is the phone?
For me im into gaming RPG on android phone and net surfing music etc
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I am also looking at getting a new phone. I am leaning towards a quadcore because I tend to have phones for a while. (Still rocking my captivate...) I figure that even though applications are not optimized for the quadcore yet, they will be in the future, which means I can make use of the phone for longer without feeling the need that I "have" to upgrade.
I got my hopes up for nothing as the Charge did not make the list
http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/24/samsung-rolling-jelly-bean-toward-most-of-its-smartphone-tablet/
It has already been said that jb and touchwiz would never fit on our system partition.
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I think the bigger issue here besides getting 4.1 is... the mobile market needs to follow the model of the PC for the enduser.
I would be willing to pay some money to upgrade to the next major OS updates for my devices. Whether its my tablets or my phone. I wouldn't mind if I could only get vanilla android either.
It would put the power in the consumers hands. For example, I bought a laptop with windows vista and later upgraded it to windows 7 since my laptop could run it well. I hope someday android is able to do this as well. And sooner rather than later.
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I think the bigger issue here besides getting 4.1 is... the mobile market needs to follow the model of the PC for the enduser.
I would be willing to pay some money to upgrade to the next major OS updates for my devices. Whether its my tablets or my phone. I wouldn't mind if I could only get vanilla android either.
It would put the power in the consumers hands. For example, I bought a laptop with windows vista and later upgraded it to windows 7 since my laptop could run it well. I hope someday android is able to do this as well. And sooner rather than later.
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The problem is that upgrading a phone will never be as straightforward as upgrading a PC. There's no one "Android Operating System" that exists as a general purpose OS. AOSP is the base, but even Google does more work to it before it goes on a Nexus device. Every phone has different hardware, which requires different drivers, and often, different close-source software and libraries, which means that every version of Android is a different embedded OS that is based on core Android. Making it generalized enough to run across the board on all hardware on the market would bloat it. It would make it memory, CPU, and power inefficient. We like to think of our phones as powerful miniature computers, but in reality, they don't even match the processor and memory capabilities of the average netbook. It's only through careful optimizations that it is able to run the way it runs, and you can't just slap a generic version of Android on a device and expect the same results.
Its not impossible...
And isn't every computer different from one another just like a phone or tablets?!
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Its not impossible...
And isn't every computer different from one another just like a phone or tablets?!
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As Shrike said - the phones are too small and don't have the capacity that computers do for memory, disk and processor. Even if they did, the power draw would be excessive. Everything is extremely customized to fit within the phone's tiny footprint.
BTW - every computer has it's own limits with respect to memory and cpu capacity. Yes, you can upgrade, but there is a point of diminishing returns. What's the point of installing the fastest processor if the bus can't handle it? It goes on and on.
Lastly, it will never be in their best interests (profits, new sales) to adopt the computer model. They don't like that you keep a computer for years. They want churn. They want planned obsolescence.
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Its not impossible...
And isn't every computer different from one another just like a phone or tablets?!
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Impossible? No. Highly impractical? Yes
A computer has enough memory, storage, and processor power that the larger footprint of the "everything and the kitchen sink" model doesn't bog it down the way it would a phone. Just look at storage space alone...when you don't know exactly what hardware you're going to encounter, you have to account for all possibilities. Just the extra storage is going to add tangibly to the cost. Then you have the extra power drain required for the more efficient processors that will be needed to run the more generic OS correctly, and the extra RAM needed to load all of it's parts. A smartphone is a modern example of the classic embedded system. When you have limited resources to work with, your OS has to be more focused, customized, and efficient to work in an acceptable way.
So, yes, it's possible in the broadest sense, but do you want to pay $1500+ for the device that can be upgraded at will and be out of date within 2 years? Or would you rather pay $100-$500 every two years for the latest hardware and OS, at the expense of a more limited upgrade path? Personally, I know where I'll put my money.
Haha good point on that last paragraph! I agree.
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Specs
It doesn't take much to look at the default off the shelf Dell box's specs and compare them to that of any phone. The Intel Core i7 or AMD FX-8150 processors would smoke any ARM on the market for mobiles. Memory in the desktop is 4GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1600MHz. Again crushing the Droid Charge and every other phone. 1TB 7200RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive, nuff said man won't be there for mobile for a while now. The power consumption would drain your mobiles battery in the time it takes to boot up. Let us also not forget that GHz and GB and TB don't all perform the same across the board. For instance a 1TB parallel ATA drive, 1TB SATA, and 1TB SSD differ vastly in performance. The NVIDIA Tegra 3 Quad core, 1.2 GHz, ARM Cortex-A9 processor in the Nexus 7 just doesn't hold a candle to the Intel Core i7-640UM Dual Core 1.2 GHz. It's about more than cores and clock speeds.
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It doesn't take much to look at the default off the shelf Dell box's specs and compare them to that of any phone. The Intel Core i7 or AMD FX-8150 processors would smoke any ARM on the market for mobiles. Memory in the desktop is 4GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1600MHz. Again crushing the Droid Charge and every other phone. 1TB 7200RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive, nuff said man won't be there for mobile for a while now. The power consumption would drain your mobiles battery in the time it takes to boot up. Let us also not forget that GHz and GB and TB don't all perform the same across the board. For instance a 1TB parallel ATA drive, 1TB SATA, and 1TB SSD differ vastly in performance. The NVIDIA Tegra 3 Quad core, 1.2 GHz, ARM Cortex-A9 processor in the Nexus 7 just doesn't hold a candle to the Intel Core i7-640UM Dual Core 1.2 GHz. It's about more than cores and clock speeds.
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I could take the time to pick apart your post and make fun of you, but there isn't any point.
Kind of like your post.
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Time to just give up on JB or ICS for charge. I just upgraded to galaxy nexus. I love it and highly recommend it. Cheers!
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