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Galaxy S just a label?

i was wondering. what exactly makes a Galaxy S device a Galaxy s device? i hope i made sense there...
because on twitter GalaxySsupport replied to a question i had originally asked to Samsungsupport about the infuse.

more or less. there are many phones named galaxy from samsung. then the galaxy s line came out, then the galaxy s conntinuum. then the galaxy indulge on metro pcs. then the i9003. galaxy s had a narrow line of hardware at first then they played with screens now the whole hardware profile can vary. the infuse is more galaxy s than the galaxy indulge, or the i9003. now they have the galaxy s 2 and will soon have the galaxy s 2 mini and galaxy s+ which will supposedly be based on a quallcom cpu.. so although the infuse has different gps hardware and mhl the radio is likely the same as the t959v sgs4g and is otherwise a galaxy s. samsung said it doesnt have the hardware requirements to be called a galaxy s when asked but it only seems to have hardware improvements. the audio chip is the same, the processor is the same, other phones called galaxy dont meet those requirements, and the phone is also capable of running gps and the camera while making phone calls, the sgs cant do either. im not really sure what game samsung is playing here but it seems galaxy s has been demoted to a label and att maybe didnt want that label because of the bugs and lack of support people think it had.

It seems to be a just a label. I mean this is way batter than any galaxy device out there. Poeple all up on dual core (I was one of them), what exactly do you need so much power for? How fast are you typing that you need a phone to keep up with you. The only phone that does require it would he the atrix because of its lapdock. But even then dual core seems to be a way to drain your battery if you don't know how to set up the phone correctly. And Samsung directed my question to the Galaxy S twitter account. I still think this phone meets and exceeds the requirements for a Galaxy S device.
Sent from my Infuse 4G.

I was checking the Samsung Galaxy S website
i have these comparisons
Samsung Galaxy S 4G:
Android Platform: 2.2
Display: 4.00" Super AMOLED
Camera: 5.0 MP rear VGA front
Processor: 1.0 Mhz
Samsung Infuse 4G:
Android Platform: 2.2
Display: 4.50" Super AMOLED Plus
Camera: 8.0 MP rear 1.2MP front
Processor: 1.2Ghz
and this device is not capable of being a Galaxy S device?
i think this phone has been ripped from it title.

multi core is hard to utilize fully(has to do with the way things are processed and applications are written) but the step from one to two can feel like a big difference in some situations. any lag caused by background services can disappear because there is a non busy processor core ready to go. the lag difference can give the perception of performance even if the actual speed something is processed at is not much faster. if a dual core comes out that has great battery life and no heat issues im sure it will be great. dual core doesnt throw me off that much, what gets me however is they are already talking about 4 core chips for phones! please figure out a way to make the architecture smaller or make 3d architecture like they have been talking about for years so we can get more hz and less power usage. it cant be easy to parallelize applications with simple functions that are written in java.
multi core is great for benchmarking but beyond 2 cores i dont see the point on a small screen and one is perfectly acceptable.

Atrix dual core. Lag and heat central on that phone.
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My atrix got very hot as well. I haven't noticed any speed difference between my atrix and the infuse. I think overall the infuse is a far superior device.

i was speaking in theory about the lag. blur is a piece of crap. that and locked bootloaders are why i wont buy it. i dont mind limited development as long as i can get things the way i want them, lack of ability to flash roms seems like too much of a hinderance in getting the phone setup the way i want it. i will look at the attain, but with the audio issues im may wait for a while before i buy another phone.

I think I'm pretty much set with the Infuse.
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Even then with Dual core, blur should be able to run really snappy.
but it doesn't. only real thing that i see dual core has to provide are better graphics in games.

Transformer27 said:
Even then with Dual core, blur should be able to run really snappy.
but it doesn't. only real thing that i see dual core has to provide are better graphics in games.
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The best part is that kholk found while working on the bootloader that the Atrix kernel only loads one core on boot....lol....
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h8rift said:
The best part is that kholk found while working on the bootloader that the Atrix kernel only loads one core on boot....lol....
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OMG LOL. Epic fail. I knew something was up with that phone. LOL
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Transformer27 said:
Even then with Dual core, blur should be able to run really snappy.
but it doesn't. only real thing that i see dual core has to provide are better graphics in games.
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the infuse gpu can keep up with some kernel tweaks and api support for tegra based games. the sgs renders some things better(not sure if that's true in a technical sense but certain benchmarks look more natueral) and in most cases can run similar frame rates, some overclocking and the sgx power vr540 gpu is a beast. dual core helps in games that are written for dual core especially if it uses tegra2 specific APIs, chainfire's chainfire 3d may help with that situation.
and well dual core would only help with lag caused by multi tasking. a laggy launcher on a single core may be just as laggy on a dual core(unless it is multi threaded), but a snappy launcher may lag if there is a background service running on a single core but is not likely lag to on a dual core even with background services. i guess i wasnt specific enough.
i guess im only reinforcing the idea that dual core is marketing nonsense because unless you are a multi tasking junkie you wont notice a bit of difference 90% of the time.

h8rift said:
The best part is that kholk found while working on the bootloader that the Atrix kernel only loads one core on boot....lol....
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a large portion of the boot process is probably in one large thread making dual core useless untill the ui starts. though having the core ready would mean you could start playing with things while the ui is still loading making the wait for everything to load less annoying.

Dani897 said:
i was speaking in theory about the lag. blur is a piece of crap. that and locked bootloaders are why i wont buy it. i dont mind limited development as long as i can get things the way i want them, lack of ability to flash roms seems like too much of a hinderance in getting the phone setup the way i want it. i will look at the attain, but with the audio issues im may wait for a while before i buy another phone.
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What are the audio issues on the attain?

nstong said:
What are the audio issues on the attain?
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well the attain isnt tested yet, maybe i should have said sgs2. if the attain is the same as the sgs2 international supercurio wasnt very happy with the audio, and audio is important to me. it has a yamaha chip not a wolfson. not that yamaha is bad but it appears that the chip may be faulty or something. also wolfson was very cooperative in providing drivers and sources for supercurio's voodoo project. im sure it actually sounds good with the exception of the noise level. there are some clicking or popping issues from what i understand. i use in ear headphones and im sure id be able t to hear it.

Transformer27 said:
I was checking the Samsung Galaxy S website
i have these comparisons
Samsung Galaxy S 4G:
Android Platform: 2.2
Display: 4.00" Super AMOLED
Camera: 5.0 MP rear VGA front
Processor: 1.0 Mhz
Samsung Infuse 4G:
Android Platform: 2.2
Display: 4.50" Super AMOLED Plus
Camera: 8.0 MP rear 1.2MP front
Processor: 1.2Ghz
and this device is not capable of being a Galaxy S device?
i think this phone has been ripped from it title.
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Just making sure about this, but you do mean a 1.0 Ghz processor on Galaxy S right? lol

my bad yeah. furious typing at the moment of doing the list. lol

[Q] Does dual cores matter?

Having a bad experience with SGS i9000 til now: (using cfw 2.3.4 with custom kernel - oced to 1200hz - ext4)
- Random lags
- Random crash/restart/freeze
- Slow task-switch
Does dual cores mobilephone like SGS 2, Optimus 3D, HTC sensation or Atrix actually will perform better (i bet so) than my current SGS?
Does Android OS and apps already optimized to use both cores?

i don't know if the apps or optimized yet, but i have noticed a little more "pep" in my daily use from my photon 4g compared to my Evo, even when i had it overclocked things weren't this smooth, so from a performance stand point, it's way better then most single cores, but then it's a whole new ball game when your dealing with dual core (tegra 2 vs snapdragon/qualcomm)

I can't say I really noticed much difference going from a SGS to Atrix, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if motoblur was playing apart in that.

Hmm... I tested SGS II the other day... it somehow much smoother than my current SGS with SGS II mod in it.
Strange, both phones clocked in 1.2ghz but SGS II is dual cores.
Didn't know that would affect the performance that much.
Switching transition from browser to games (restarted though...) to other apps seems flawless.

Anyone tried to compare a Desire with Sense 3.0 ROM with the Sensation? with 3D rosie - with weather live wallpaper and all other fancy stuffs turned on?
I am thinking of getting a dual core device but I am also not sure of the difference with the single core in real world, so I hope my question can help clarify me that.

shintorrent said:
Having a bad experience with SGS i9000 til now: (using cfw 2.3.4 with custom kernel - oced to 1200hz - ext4)
- Random lags
- Random crash/restart/freeze
- Slow task-switch
Does dual cores mobilephone like SGS 2, Optimus 3D, HTC sensation or Atrix actually will perform better (i bet so) than my current SGS?
Does Android OS and apps already optimized to use both cores?
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Yes,dual core processors are better than single core processors.
They provide better threading (which guarantees no lags and better process switching as each core can handle a certain process) and less power consumption (believe it or not,but they do).
The random restarts could be due to the kernel,the ROM or the fact that u are overclocking.
And it's got nothing to do with the apps,it's the kernel.
U see,the kernel is the link between the hardware and the firmware,so apps don't need to be optimized.
The manufacturers adjust the kernel and add some scripts to help handle the processes.
Clue,same apks that run on single core phones run on dual core phones.

Dual cores are significantly better. Yes, they do offer better threading, and less power consumption, but the thing you are missing is having a dual core processor running at 1.2 ghz is the equivalent of a single core processor running at 2.4 ghz, plus better task handling.All tasks will be smoother, and more multitasking features will be allowed.
This does not necessarily mean you will have no lags, sorry, but the experience will be better.

Based on everyone opinions... I can conclude Dual Processors are better for multi-tasking and better threading.

shintorrent said:
Based on everyone opinions... I can conclude Dual Processors are better for multi-tasking and better threading.
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Agree

By the way,it isn't correct that a dual core 1.2 is better than a single 2.4
You don't just put on 2x speed!!!
A single 1.5 is faster when it comes to operation response time than a dual 1.2, but a dual 1.2 is better to handle several linked or independent tasks running at the same time.
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The answer is pretty obvious, but to be honest high clock single core processors are more than enough for daily tasks.
I have been using my OCed G2, with no problems. It does everything I can throw at it, no problem. IMO, they have created too good of a product.
Same goes for computers. Hardware is becoming increasingly powerful, while still doing the same tasks.

gtmaster303 said:
The answer is pretty obvious, but to be honest high clock single core processors are more than enough for daily tasks.
I have been using my OCed G2, with no problems. It does everything I can throw at it, no problem. IMO, they have created too good of a product.
Same goes for computers. Hardware is becoming increasingly powerful, while still doing the same tasks.
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Of course you can do everything with a single core processor,but these are the actual differences between single and dual:
1-better threading which provides better multitasking operations.
2-less power consumption which means more time on the battery.
3-ability to overclock each core at a time provides you with both outrageous speed and better multitasking.
4-overclocking dual core processors is better than single cuz of the buffer space being bigger.
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[Q] Dual-core necessary?

Are there really that many things out there that can take advantage of a dual-core cpu? It seems to me that a decent cpu/gpu can go really far, but idk.

I'd imagine it'd be similar to a desktop. It will initially help with general smoothness of the user experience. Eventually apps will catch up with the hardware and be multithreaded.
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i can see the use for dual core phones
but quad core or penta core phones is simply too much

AllGamer said:
i can see the use for dual core phones
but quad core or penta core phones is simply too much
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More cores = better efficiency = longer battery life. It's not all about performance.

On any os aside from android, no.

Currently no. Seeing as software has yet to catch up to hardware, and really never has in this technological era. >.>
So with such info, one can make the statement to say the latest hardware is never needed, atleast in its time. Sooo... lets all throw away our core i7's, 1080p displays, Radeon HD 6990, and go back to the good ol' pentium 4 with integrated Intel graphics.

the new android os (ice cream sandwich) is supposed to support dual-core processors. If this does end up happening, it won't be long till there are apps such that do make use of the dual-core as well.

smooth azz budda
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Yea! Try web browsing on a dual core. You'll never go back.
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All depends on the software taking advantage of dual-core or not.
Similar scenario happened on desktop PC few years ago, and dual core cpu performed worse than similar clocked single core cpus when running non-optimized software. Took a period of time for the software to take up.

No Dual Core Cpu support yet ?

Still can't find any indication that IceCreamSandwich (Android 4.0) supports dual core cpu
http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-4.0-highlights.html
We all know that any kernel already supports smp so it should't take so long for Google to make android OS support it too...
If you find anywhere a clue for that please reply

it should support.
but, this is the wrong section to post this question. The Nexus S isn't dual core. You may get better answers in Android General Questions

You won't find anything about it because dual core support has sort of been there since before 1.0, and really since before android. Linux has been multithreaded pretty much from the beginning, it isn't' something google needs to add to android, its all there. The huge performance boost we'll see with ICS will be from hardware acceleration in the UI, not some magical unicorn dual core support.
The reason all these dual core phones aren't living up to the hype is because the software the OEMs made for them really sucks, its not google or android's fault.

As far as I know IceCream Sandwich DOES support Dual Core CPU's.

imneo1 said:
Still can't find any indication that IceCreamSandwich (Android 4.0) supports dual core cpu
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Maybe the fact that EVERY SINGLE Honeycomb tablet uses a dual core processor is proof enough...

063_XOBX said:
Maybe the fact that EVERY SINGLE Honeycomb tablet uses a dual core processor is proof enough...
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Just because Android runs on such device does not automatically means that is uses both cpus(cores) for each process. for that to apply we should see threads of an app processes.
so my question remains...

Orangestrat said:
You won't find anything about it because dual core support has sort of been there since before 1.0, and really since before android. Linux has been multithreaded pretty much from the beginning, it isn't' something google needs to add to android, its all there. The huge performance boost we'll see with ICS will be from hardware acceleration in the UI, not some magical unicorn dual core support.
The reason all these dual core phones aren't living up to the hype is because the software the OEMs made for them really sucks, its not google or android's fault.
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you said the same thing i said ... well, almost ...
I said that Linux support dual core (smp) but there is much more to that.
we should see that the VM actually uses the Linux(Kernel) support managing to provide a correct data to the kernel, so that the process will be threaded (run on both cores)
Can you (or anyone owning a dual core device) provide a proof for that ?
Can we see a process of an app runs on both cores ? (a screenshot from shell showing that it uses both cpus/cores)
also, you should read about SGS2 for example.
even though it has a dual core CPU Android only uses on core to run itself (VM) and apps
so the answer is not that simple as you pointed
and my question remains...

ICS actually supports multi-core cpu's, not just dual. Meaning it supports up to either 4 or 8 cores (I can't remember which)
Add edit: When there are more cores in phones, multiple cores will be used to run (like you said) the apps AND the system. Quad-core phones are supposed to be coming out this summer.

063_XOBX said:
Maybe the fact that EVERY SINGLE Honeycomb tablet uses a dual core processor is proof enough...
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That's funny, considering we're running Android 4.0.3 on our SINGLE-CORE phones. And add the fact that there's a small mod that will change it to the tablet interface, and you've got proof that you dont need 2 cores.
Just because multi-core devices are now standard doesn't mean that ICS 4.0 requires 2 cores. Our phone alone is proof. It's not a different version of Android. ICS on a tablet is the same ICS as on a phone, in a nutshell. That was the whole point of ICS in the first place -- to unify phones and tablets into 1 OS.

can I have some advice?

Guys ive been reading on net bout android phone ive been wanting to buy sgs3 but when I saw some forum saying quadcore is useless on sgs3 that its better having dual core and now I saw Xperia tx verion that won benchmark test that saying has better performance that sgs3 so guys what is the phone?
For me im into gaming RPG on android phone and net surfing music etc

I'm pretty sure only the international sgs3 has a quad core... but I may be wrong on that.
As far as cpu performance goes, I prefer the tegra processors over the snapdragons. LG optimus hd has one of these in a quad core version available oversees.
This isnt about opinions though, trust the benchmark results.
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Well it really depends on what you feel. Benchmarks are pointless. only real world use matters. I would give up the quad core for the 2gb of ram the US Moslem comes with but for gaming the spores line is your best bet as those are gaming devices
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Eh same could've been said about dual core when it first popped up for us. Its more about taking advantage of the cores that's the situation. Later versions of android are surely to take full capacity of the cores as more and more phones adopt. As for the phone, the gs3 is perfect for gaming, media, browsing ect. Although its plastic, the way its shipped makes it comfortable to hold in the hand
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The best overall performance for a phone has to be the Galaxy S3. It comes with a Snapdragon S4, which is an entirely NEW architecture. That means snapdragon is half a generation ahead of the tegra 3 and exynos 4 in terms of cpu design. The only drawback of the S4 is its gpu, as it only has an adreno 225, which is a slight upgrade from it's old gpu. Otherwise the Galaxy S3 is still a powerhouse.
As for gaming, the Tegra 3 has a slight edge due to NVIDIA forming partnerships with game developers and they optimize some games to run well on the tegra 3.
http://androidandme.com/2012/05/sma...erformance-gpu-battery-life-and-web-browsing/
Overall, real-performance is the almost the same for both phones, One X and GSIII, but with a slight edge to the GSIII for its superior S4.

i think sgs3 dual core version with 2gb ram wont be released in europe i only saw in italy is quadcore with 1gb ram T_T but ithink 1g ram is still good coz my father has sgs2 ^^
so if we will base on experience sgs3 is still the best ill gonna save a bit more for that phone XD

Anything Krait is good, the S4 is a very capable chip. The quad pro version will be a beast.
Exynos is fast as well, Nvidia is better for gaming. But it also depends on how well the manufacturers optimise their software to run on the hardware.
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Xperia TX. Go for it. No TouchWiz, better camera and design. Jelly Bean almost after launch.

it is very important to know if it is quad or dual cored. If it is quad then it will run faster because there is less stress on the cpu, then if it was dual. but, honestly, i ahve been using my droid incredible for a very long time. This is a 1 GHZ single core cpu and i use it heavily. i play n64 games on it without over clocking (the max cpu is like 1134 mhz, but i set it to about 600mhz and i can play with absolutely no lag.) so, what i am saying is that it doesn't matter if it is dual or quad cored because it is fast enough already. but, i know the international version, or at least the one i saw in india when i went there for vacation is quad. i think the USA version is quad as well. and btw, i have played with it. it's a great phone. the display is beautiful. the battery life is amazing. flash a kernel on it and i think you can run for 2-3 days with light/medium use in a single charge. go get that phone!

International galaxy s3 is quad core with 1gb a ram and is 1.4ghz which can be over clocked to 1.7ghz. I have an international galaxy s3 as I am from UK.
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quad core might not be fully usable at the moment but it will get better.
the main thing is the i9300 (international version) will have far more vast support then any carrier specific models us versions.

Benchamrk results are not that important
Get the S3 because its good for gaming with bigger screen and nice comfy shape :good:

carlo242 said:
Guys ive been reading on net bout android phone ive been wanting to buy sgs3 but when I saw some forum saying quadcore is useless on sgs3 that its better having dual core and now I saw Xperia tx verion that won benchmark test that saying has better performance that sgs3 so guys what is the phone?
For me im into gaming RPG on android phone and net surfing music etc
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I am also looking at getting a new phone. I am leaning towards a quadcore because I tend to have phones for a while. (Still rocking my captivate...) I figure that even though applications are not optimized for the quadcore yet, they will be in the future, which means I can make use of the phone for longer without feeling the need that I "have" to upgrade.