As we close in on the 15th, I think two things will happen:
A) No Mango. The rumor-mill did it again.
B) Microsoft will STILL not have learned their lesson about replying to rumors.
They have to know what is being said on every single blog on earth. Type Mango into Google and it pulls up 500 news stories that say "durr will Sept 15 be release date??". Yet the closest thing I can find is a reply to a comment on the dev team blog. What happened to that guy who was hired after the NoDo fiasco to liaise with consumers?
Rule 1 in their position should be addressing rumors. No matter how small. Set up a "wp facts" page. Address the 15th rumor or whatever is next. By not, they're shooting themselves in the foot. I'm a cold-hearted cynic, and even I'm half convinced that it may actually begin being launched tomorrow.
A. I think the chance is rather high, but one never knows until that day gets here, right? That's what makes those rumors so power - the suspense of it. If it doesn't come people will just blame the carriers or OEMs. I think Microsoft was smart to say that their job was done, but they threw the OEMs and carriers under the bus in the process. Microsoft still has to approve the OTA even after the OEMs and Carriers do their thing, and there really isn't much to do since you they aren't allowed to bake in a ton of apps like on Android, WinMo/Symbian, and BB.
B. I think Microsoft thinks it helps them because it gets headlines, but when those days come and go the disappointment more than counters whatever was gained leading up to those days.
They did set up a webpage. Mango is not on it yet.
Just to answer your question. The guy they hired to be customer facing said in a blog post about a month and a half ago that he was going to maintain radio silence and "the next blog post will be the announcement that it is being released." A lot of good that's doing him.
While I wish they could have a concrete release date, I do wish they would at least deny dates. Sure it's our own fault for investing to heavily into unsubstantiated rumors, but they really could kill all of the speculation with one quick blog post.
Although the guys who said the release was this week have been spot on with their previous predictions, I may have to bet against this one.
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A: Microsoft only have an estimate date of when Mango will be ready for roll out.
B: Microsoft will only roll out the update after it test the update infrastructure.
Lol @ test the update infrastructure.
No.
Also, "this fall" is not an estimated date. Fall is a season, not a month, not a week, and certainly not a date. It's a 3 month season and if they wish to pass that off as an estimated date, I guess it means they genuinely think their customers are idiots. An estimated date would be something along the lines of "the second week of September." "This fall..." That tells me nothing other than "we're giving ourselves a 3 month span so that if they ahve to wait until the dawn of Winter, we won't look like idiots."
But anyways, we've seen this tactic employed recently. Remember the Samsung US Galaxy S FroYo updates and #NeverAgain? Yea, that's basically what happened. I'm suprised WP7 users aren't furious they had to wait a whole year for an update, but this seems like a special kind of user base. Microsoft must be ecstatic they're given so much rope to play with (then again, they didn't sell 10M phones like Samsung, probably 3-4M in the US alone)...
Main issue is getting the update through the OEMs and carriers. Most OEMs already have the update ready, and they're even making new stock Mango phones.
Carriers are another deal, but I'm suprised it takes carriers so long with WP7 updates when they have a lot less stuff to test due to their inability to bake as much bloatware into the devices' ROMs and stuff like that.
Maybe the carriers are waiting for their partners (TeleNav, MobiTV, Slacker, Netflix, etc.) to get their apps Mango-ready before they approve it? Cause we all know they won't Okay the update if their subscription-based Value-Adds don't work correctly on it...
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B) Microsoft will STILL not have learned their lesson about replying to rumors.
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Microsoft has a policy concerning rumors. That is they do not comment and that is the best policy.
If this rumor is true, MS might make an announcement in the next few days and then the download will be available. If that's the case, then there was no need to comment on the rumor and say "Yes Mango is coming this week, but we want it to be available shortly after we announced it so we're not announcing it today."
If the rumor is false, people might be pissed at MS but they have no reason to be so. We do not know who started the rumor and all we ever heard from MS was "fall".
Now if MS were to dismiss every incorrect rumor as soon as they can (to not get up expectations), a missing comment on a rumor would kind of mark it as true.
They only comment on rumors when the rumor really might leave many people disappointed, like the Xbox + blu ray thing a couple of years ago.
Xbox 360s have sold way better than Windows Phones and this Mango rumor might be a big deal for us enthusiasts, but apart from us that's that.
BTW, I saw someone yesterday or the day before casually toss out the 2 PM PST time for a Mango release. That rumor's now dead.
I have a feeling it will be released on the 20th
9/15 isn't mango day, that was another rumor, folks. We've been saying "fall"... it's not fall yet! http://t.co/ZcvBO5ys
From joebelfiore on twitter.
I5 launching around then. Theyre dumb.
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As we close in on the 15th, I think two things will happen:
A) No Mango. The rumor-mill did it again.
B) Microsoft will STILL not have learned their lesson about replying to rumors.
They have to know what is being said on every single blog on earth. Type Mango into Google and it pulls up 500 news stories that say "durr will Sept 15 be release date??". Yet the closest thing I can find is a reply to a comment on the dev team blog. What happened to that guy who was hired after the NoDo fiasco to liaise with consumers?
Rule 1 in their position should be addressing rumors. No matter how small. Set up a "wp facts" page. Address the 15th rumor or whatever is next. By not, they're shooting themselves in the foot. I'm a cold-hearted cynic, and even I'm half convinced that it may actually begin being launched tomorrow.
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What lesson do they have to learn? They get free publicity, the only ones disappointed are the idiots that power the rumor mill.
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Just to answer your question. The guy they hired to be customer facing said in a blog post about a month and a half ago that he was going to maintain radio silence and "the next blog post will be the announcement that it is being released." A lot of good that's doing him.
While I wish they could have a concrete release date, I do wish they would at least deny dates. Sure it's our own fault for investing to heavily into unsubstantiated rumors, but they really could kill all of the speculation with one quick blog post.
Although the guys who said the release was this week have been spot on with their previous predictions, I may have to bet against this one.
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by the way, that's the same guy that kept radio silence while the blog was exploding with angry people during the nodo update failure.
The best thing for EVERYONE, devs, users, shops, etc would be to a predetermined release date, well in advance too. Failing that, as the date closes in, more and more accurate time windows. Failing that too, bad enough as it is, at least dispel rumors. Because it's not like people are EXCITED about the update. People are IMPATIENT. And rightly so, you're putting out features that have been on every smartphone for a long time !
let face with it or without mango WP7 is never going to win much of the market share, I expect theres a few who will have renewed their contact & jumped OS's before the mango hits the consumer ?
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Hey everyone, happy Monday,
I have a quick question about the amount of time it takes for a phone to be announced to when it goes to retail/pre-order. The reason I ask is because my family (8 people) will be switching to Sprint from Verizon (my dad is sick of their billing and customer service) and we are going to get 4 smartphones. Being the tech geek of the family, I really want to make these smartphones the new phones being announced on the 25th. We are switching over in April, and I'm hoping to be able to smooth talk a manager about getting the new phones when they come out, but I know he will deny any offer if they come out during or after the summer.
Any answer/tips for smooth-talking a Sprint store manager?
What? I dont quite understand what you're asking. If the phone isn't released you can't get it, just because they announce it doesn't mean certain people can just go buy it.
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Yea...after I read it over, I didn't make much sense.
So here's my situation as simply as I can explain it. There are a few new phones coming out at CTIA that I am going to purchase.
My question is, how long does it normally take for a phone to go to a retail store for consumers to buy AFTER they have been announced.
Ex. The kyocera echo (only phone I can think of right now) was announced in Jan/Feb and is going to start being sold in April.
I was hoping if someone could give my a more specific date as to when the new phones at CTIA were going to be sold (Evo 3D, may atrix for Sprint).
I hope that clears things up, and If it doesn't, then I'm going to sleep and rethink how I word things.
@FLAC Vest: it's perfectly clear - the OP is wondering how long it takes for a phone to go from being announced to being able to buy or at the very least pre-order it.
The OP's family are hoping to switch to Sprint and get some of the new handsets they're about to announce in a couple of days time, so the OP is wondering when it's likely they'll be available.
@the OP: it varies device to device.
On one hand you have Apple, who have the iPhone on sale a couple of weeks after announcing it - albeit in limited markets.
They do this by delaying the announcement as long as possible and also because of their relatively slow product refresh cycle.
With other manufacturers it's very hit and miss.
Some like Sony Ericsson have a poor track record, having taken nearly a year in the past to get a handset to the market (though in fairness to the, nearly a year after it was leaked, not announced).
Samsung are improving but have had their share of delays, like the original Galaxy S which took a number of months to be released after it's announcement.
Generally I'd say it's around a month or two from announcement to release but sometimes phones are delayed unexpectedly.
However if a handset is exclusive to a particular network, that can sometimes speed it up a wee bit as the manufacturer is only having to supplier one company, not a miscellany of competing networks.
There's a good chance that when Sprint make their announcement, they'll also announce an expected release date.
That should give you more of an idea.
Thanks Step you
a) made me much more confident that I wasn't going insane and typing in gibber-gabber
b) answered my question completely, even above and beyond A+
Now I can only hope that the Evo 3D or Atrix will come out on sprint before/during May
BTW: Do you think anyone here knows how to sweet talk a manager?
After today's expected launch went without an event, I contacted Verizon.
Here is the link to the about page for VP and Chief Marketing Officer, Marni Walden.
http://bit.ly/iAKpSp
I sent her the following letter (click the link at the bottom of her page)
Ms. Walden,
I am contacting you as a very disgusted customer. Since last fall, I have been waiting for Verizon to release a Windows Phone 7 device. I learned in the fall that this device would not be available on the CDMA networks, and as a software developer, I understand how Microsoft had not yet implemented support for it. However, Verizon has been stringing its customers along for about five months now with the implied promise of a Windows Phone 7 device, yet has not delivered.
In December, VZW advertized to Microsoft employees the Trophy, and it promised an "Early 2011" delivery. That offer had an expiration date of 12/31/2010, although that delivery has been pushed back to March, April, and May, and the delivery time range has been removed from the flier.
On March 23 the CDMA Sprint HTC Arrive was released. CDMA support was finally here. But Verizon dragged its feet. An April launch was expected, because despite the tight lips at Verizon, pictures were leaked of a Verizon branded Trophy, as well as an April expiration date on the Microsoft employee offer. That came and went. Now two Thursdays in May have come and gone without the device that many of us are waiting for.
You are not doing anything but making customers angry by dragging your feet, not releasing the device, and not giving us a release date. You are holding on to a phone that was available in Europe last October, albeit without CDMA support. Which means if you wait much longer you will be releasing a year-old phone. Do you think it is all right to treat your customers like this? Are you that ticked off at Microsoft over the failure of the Kin that you are willing to drag your customers who want the Windows Phone through the mud like this?
It is high time for whomever at Verizon is throwing the temper tantrum about the Kin to get over it, and give us the phone we want. I don't want one of the 47 different Android phones you now carry. I don't want the iPhone. I and many well-informed consumers like me, want a Windows Phone 7 device. Please quit holding us hostage.
Sincerely,
Richard Hopkins
Verizon frustrating
I've talked to many salespeople about what signs there are of the Trophy being released. The general consensus is that the rumor start a month before the device is available and training is done a week before. None of these things have happened for the Windows Phone 7 device. There are two blank spots at Costco for two new devices.........maybe.....?
A dummy device was spotted at Best Buy this week. http://bit.ly/iig3Sr
XBox Live had a Verizon Trophy theme for download yesterday (since pulled) http://bit.ly/mTOJbU
Verizon employee training started two weeks ago. http://bit.ly/itTXms
The phone is currently on Bestbuy.com, and can be placed in shopping cart, but order cannot yet be completed. http://bit.ly/mbk04A
Press shots have been leaked http://bit.ly/m3wCia
Verizon is excited to offer Win Phone 7 http://cnet.co/erI5Wp
I'm not sure how much louder the rumors could get, to be honest.
Encouragement
Just talked to another Verizon guy and he said training was last week. Asked the Costco people and they said they "hoped" that one of the spaces was for the Trophy.
You're going to learn very little if anything at all by canvasing the VZW employees and retailers. They can (and often do) lose their jobs for letting information out. And since they often do leak, they are often kept more in the dark than those of us who know how to use Twitter.
I just had a nice chat with Lachelle at Verizon Wireless. I voiced all of the concerns I've had, blah blah blah.
Among the things she said:
1. We can't give out release dates for our phones because it affects our competitiveness. My response: You announced on Feb 11 that you were going to carry iPhone, release in a month. You gave a month notice, and you launched on time. How competitive are you on this platform if you're the only major carrier in the world (with supported language) that doesn't have a phone on the platform? You have like 47 different Android models, but not everyone wants Android.
2. I will pass your comments on to our marketing department so they can look into whether we should carry this phone. My response: You WILL be carrying this device. You have made a special offer to Microsoft employees, and have modified that offer at least 3 times that I can think of off the top of my head. A dummy device has been spotted in a Best Buy store, and I've seen pictures of it online (I forgot to tell her it is listed on bestbuy.com). Your store employees have been trained on it. Verizon branded devices have been seen in the wild (I forgot to tell her about the one on craigslist). You're on the edge of launching, and granted, all I've got are rumors, but the photographic evidence to back those rumors is overwhelming. You are frustrating your customers by keeping this so tightly under wraps. The whole world, except for Verizon employees it seems, knows that there is a device coming, and the lack of information is frustrating your customers. I stayed with Verizon, and gave you until the 12th, because the most powerful evidence of a launch seemed to point at the 12th, but I NEED the phone now, so today I became an ATT customer, and I'm talking to you on an ATT phone.
Anyway, she gave me the typical "I'm going to pass this up to marketing" blah blah blah and "thank you for your feedback because it helps us to keep our customers happy blah blah blah." She also said that the more they hear from customers, the more attention they can give this issue. WRITE THOSE LETTERS!
We'll see what happens. I'm kind of hoping, since there is a droid phone launching tomorrow, that it may be tomorrow, however that is just speculation on my part and I have no evidence to back it up whatsoever.
So I did a live chat with a t-mo rep earlier and just for kicks I asked when the GB update was rolling out. Haha what a joke her reply was look at the pic!! This just confirms that T-Mo reps know nothing in the light of software releases. Contact Google?! Really!? Ha, this update is between T-Mo and LG. Google has nothing to do with it!! Silly T-Mo reps!! Sorry, vent over.
I just try to ignore the fact 2.3 exist and been out for months.
Haha, you should have said "unless youre rooted and already running 2.3, then google can't even keep up" lol I like to talk smack on the online chats lol its fun to get such a robotic response. And you have so much time to laugh about it while theyre trying to figure out a response lol
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Sure, that was a dumb answer, but what did you expect? Frontline T-Mobile employees aren't given a date for the release...The best I've been able to get from LG was "summer".
There is so much testing and QA that goes into the software updates, that if they gave someone a date, and for some reason it had to be pushed back, all hell would break loose. And if they do release on time, but don't iron out all the bugs, then all hell breaks loose.
If you want GB now, root it and have fun. Otherwise, just wait for it to come. More than likely, no one will know an exact date until the week it starts rolling out.
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Sure, that was a dumb answer, but what did you expect? Frontline T-Mobile employees aren't given a date for the release...The best I've been able to get from LG was "summer".
There is so much testing and QA that goes into the software updates, that if they gave someone a date, and for some reason it had to be pushed back, all hell would break loose. And if they do release on time, but don't iron out all the bugs, then all hell breaks loose.
If you want GB now, root it and have fun. Otherwise, just wait for it to come. More than likely, no one will know an exact date until the week it starts rolling out.
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Everything you said I already know. I just wanted to ask for kicks. This person from T-Mo I spoke with was supposedly in the "Android department"
I spoke with a T-Mobile rep the other day and he told me the rumors are "End of June"...so we'll see...
A lot of times, people will blame the company for not giving their employee's information. Such as employee's not knowing the release date, not knowing the phone was even released, product changes, service changes, etc.
I worked in a call center for 10yrs in management. Be rest assured, the company misses informing the employees a lot less than the employee's not reading their emails. In tech support, I would send out 3 emails within 30min, detailing an outage. But for hours, I would have reps coming up to me: "I'm getting a lot of calls about <x> area, there may be an outage."
Man, I wanted to slap them. lol. This happened more times than I can even recall. The only way around this was to: Pin big notes on cubicle walls, do an email blast, place an outage board in multiple locations in the center, and do screen pops. We had to do ALL of these things.. and we'd still have that 1 guy... "Is there a new product out?" ughh... man.
So I wouldn't be so quick to judge TMO.. The problem is your fellow human beings who are lazy.. not doing their jobs.. just collecting a paycheck. Over 95% of the time, it was the employee not paying attention, reading, etc. Then, I would say to an employee.. "Lemme see your email box." lol. thousands of unread messages. lol. Unfiltered, not filed, etc.
Trust me.. it's not the company as much we think it is.
I know that a Q3 release of Gingerbread for the HTC Thunderbolt is sort of assumed at this point since they missed their Q2 deadline, but we wanted to point out that HTC service reps have been given the “OK” to spread the word. One of our readers reached out to express his concerns over the various problems with his device and received a response back that included word on the update:
…We will certainly pass along your concerns to the developers at HTC. We are working hard to address the issues you have mentioned with future updates for the device. We are excited to announce that the HTC Thunderbolt will receive the Gingerbread (Android 2.3) update in Q3 2011. Stay tuned for details as we get closer to the update availability…
Not surprising of course since we are already in Q3, but that should at least narrow it down to some time within the next 8 weeks. Uggh. And still no word on the original Incredible – we’re thinking Q3 for it as well, though.
Cheers Todd!
yawn...........
I'll wait until I actually see a released gingerbread update.
It cracks me up how the same reps told everyone that the TB is getting GB by the end of the 2Q and that never happened. Now the same people give a new timeline and we are suppose to believe them? Why is this even news?
Same for the Incredible. We were given end of June, then July, now nothing.
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XRSTOY1 said:
I know that a Q3 release of Gingerbread for the HTC Thunderbolt is sort of assumed at this point since they missed their Q2 deadline, but we wanted to point out that HTC service reps have been given the “OK” to spread the word. One of our readers reached out to express his concerns over the various problems with his device and received a response back that included word on the update:
…We will certainly pass along your concerns to the developers at HTC. We are working hard to address the issues you have mentioned with future updates for the device. We are excited to announce that the HTC Thunderbolt will receive the Gingerbread (Android 2.3) update in Q3 2011. Stay tuned for details as we get closer to the update availability…
Not surprising of course since we are already in Q3, but that should at least narrow it down to some time within the next 8 weeks. Uggh. And still no word on the original Incredible – we’re thinking Q3 for it as well, though.
Cheers Todd!
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I gave you a thanks, literally for nothing.
This is why XDA shouldn't let people with 4 posts start new threads. WAKE UP MODERATORS!!!
HERE WE GO AGAIN WITH THE SPECULATIONS ON UPDATE why bother their just cutting the cord on frankinbolt
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I gave you a thanks, literally for nothing.
This is why XDA shouldn't let people with 4 posts start new threads. WAKE UP MODERATORS!!!
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If you don't like it, just report it. They'll take a look at it quickly.
its funny how the most hype 4G device is getting treated like this. Other phones are getting GB before the TB sigh
Gotta wonder why they are treating this phone this way? Strange
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I gave you a thanks, literally for nothing.
This is why XDA shouldn't let people with 4 posts start new threads. WAKE UP MODERATORS!!!
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They're treating it strange? This is the first LTE device. It's clearly not sorted out yet. It's a little more complexe than a dInc2. Other than making your phone slower and eat more power, why is gingerbread this magic unicorn? I heartlessly laughed and made fun of the morons that brought us this quackery the last time, and I'm gonna do it again. Just like I laughed at the hollow heads that believed a real Verizon rep was posting on her.... With all of 8 posts under her belt. STUPID.
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They're treating it strange? This is the first LTE device. It's clearly not sorted out yet. It's a little more complexe than a dInc2. Other than making your phone slower and eat more power, why is gingerbread this magic unicorn? I heartlessly laughed and made fun of the morons that brought us this quackery the last time, and I'm gonna do it again. Just like I laughed at the hollow heads that believed a real Verizon rep was posting on her.... With all of 8 posts under her belt. STUPID.
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Exactly! People complain about the battery but this phone does, for all intents and purposes, the same things as their PC's at home. They're on it constantly and then complain when it dies in six hours. Most standard laptop batteries don't last six hours.
People will never be happy and will continue to blame the networks and the manufacturers for being at fault.
This is why we root and this is why we continue to support our developers.
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They're treating it strange? This is the first LTE device. It's clearly not sorted out yet. It's a little more complexe than a dInc2. Other than making your phone slower and eat more power, why is gingerbread this magic unicorn? I heartlessly laughed and made fun of the morons that brought us this quackery the last time, and I'm gonna do it again. Just like I laughed at the hollow heads that believed a real Verizon rep was posting on her.... With all of 8 posts under her belt. STUPID.
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I believe we do have a confirmed Verizon rep (or two) here on XDA, just like we have SamsungJohn...
Regardless, rumor threads should be locked after the first post, since there are no facts and it seems EVERYONE has an opinion. On that note...
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Just found this on Pocket-lint.com ..
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Microsoft will roll out its latest phone operating system, currently codenamed Mango, to Windows Phone 7 users starting on 1 September, Pocket-lint has exclusively learnt. Therefore, that will be the date that the company will start its fightback against Android and the iPhone.
Multiple trusted sources have confirmed to us that the start of next month will see the new OS, available to developers over the summer, launching on new handsets, as well as becoming available to current WP7 customers.
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http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/41489/windows-phone-7-mango-1-september
So let me guess, Verizon will be March 2012 ?
Well its just a rumor :|
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Well its just a rumor :|
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True, but it was also a rumor that the Mango beta was going to be released to developers, and that happened. It was also a rumor that Mango was RTM, and just a couple of days later that was also confirmed.
There are a couple of good reasons to unveil it at that time. Not only would it beat Apple and Google to the punch, giving WP7 (mostly) undivided media attention for a month or so, but it would allow new devices to be announced at IFA. Seems like a good plan to me.
I would be very surprised if it was not available in time for the Build conference, so Sept 1 feels right. I certainly expect every paid Build attendee will be getting a Mango phone of some sort.
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I would be very surprised if it was not available in time for the Build conference, so Sept 1 feels right. I certainly expect every paid Build attendee will be getting a Mango phone of some sort.
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I don't, would be nice
although september first would be really ideal. TO beat the apple crunch but also for OEMs to churn out new F/W updates too
It should be landing around that time. I mean, it is done and all. So the release is immanent.
Damn if its Sep 1 for first class users like ones with branded contract wp7 users .. Than I think my unbranded, expansys unlocked German Samsung Omnia 7 will get it by Mid November .. :'(
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True, but it was also a rumor that the Mango beta was going to be released to developers, and that happened. It was also a rumor that Mango was RTM, and just a couple of days later that was also confirmed.
There are a couple of good reasons to unveil it at that time. Not only would it beat Apple and Google to the punch, giving WP7 (mostly) undivided media attention for a month or so, but it would allow new devices to be announced at IFA. Seems like a good plan to me.
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Yea, but, after NoDO, that was a mess...
Let's hope they release it to Zune to everyone on Sept 1st but, I wonder what the carriers are going to do, if they stop it or not.
At least things look like it's possable to happen but, this did not come directly from Microsoft, so take it with a grain of salt...
It won't be coming to Zune on September 1st. That's already a given. Plus, when it is ready I expect Microsoft to release it to us on a rolling schedule, not all at once. Any release on that date will likely be in the form of new hardware announcements, and possibly the announcement of the initial schedule for delivery to existing phones.
As for Nodo, technically no carriers blocked it. If they had, there would be people out there who were still running 7004 due to carrier block, and that isn't the case. NoDo is available right now for every phone. The whole "carrier blocking" issue was a mole hill made into a mountain.
What some carriers did (which was pathetic and reprehensible) was take far too long during their internal testing and updates to their own apps. What should have been a 4 week process ended up being a 4 month process in some cases.
Whether Microsoft will be able to motivate them to be quicker this time is anyone's guess, but one thing that is different is that we know the exact date that the carriers all received the final build of Mango (and we also know that they received earlier builds as well for development purposes).
Unfortunately, for now all we can do is wait and see what happens.
Ms employees are getting it today
http://www.wpcentral.com/microsoft-employees-getting-mango-7720-starting-today
Someone please leak it so I don't have to wait till next year for Verizon to release it....
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"I hope the news will come out soon."
English please... This is an english thread
Confirmed to be a rumor by Joe Belfiore (via Twitter). Too bad.