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Windows Mobile 7 could be delayed until year 2011

According to it seems, certain to char them with some sponsors of Microsoft like HTC or NVIDIA are developing that is not expected any greater update of the Windows Mobile system until the Movable World-wide Congress of next year...
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http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translat...hasta-el-ano-2011&lp=es_en&btnTrUrl=Translate
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Well it's been delayed so many times...who knows
I've read today that it would be available for hd2 in November 2010

Yeah, I read that and as you say who knows
Anyway, here´s the info I got today, let´s see what really happens...
Cheers galaxys

My thoughts to this are that Microsoft knows that this is there last chance so if everything isn't up to speed, they will keep delaying. However this strategy will eventually back fire as avid WM fans are becoming impatience.

Absolutely disgraceful if true. There's no reason why a massive company like Microsoft should not be able to put out a high quality mobile OS platform by 2010 considering all the time they have had and the reported size of the development team.

Yeah this is getting crazy. Hurry up MWC...

band27 said:
However this strategy will eventually back fire as avid WM fans are becoming impatience.
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I'm beyond impatience went to the Nexus Android last week man is that thing fast

i expect to see it next month at mwc, but if for some reason it doesn't show up this year..i'd say goodbye to windows mobile as a viable mobile os

yea its time to switch to android . win mobile is taking WAYYYY to long.
been running android on my vogue since june i find it blows win mo away! @galaxies: i will be getting mine when it comes to verizon this spring!

jamezelle said:
yea its time to switch to android . win mobile is taking WAYYYY to long.
been running android on my vogue since june i find it blows win mo away! @galaxies: i will be getting mine when it comes to verizon this spring!
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Yeah, I feel you. I've been running Android on my Rhodium for a few weeks, and although it's a pretty early port and many features don't work properly yet, I still prefer it to Windows Mobile's slow release schedule and sub-par performance. I used to be a die-hard WM fan, but M$ has really let their users down, and let their phone empire collapse around them. I'll highly consider buying an Android handset when my contract expires ~2 years

interesting article about WM 7....
http://www.cio.com/article/516563/W...ent_the_Mobile_Market_?page=1&taxonomyId=3061

do you want mango before or after ios?

hehe!! if they release AFTER, most people would stay wit iPhone OS and marketing would be 0. if they release before... maybe the product is unfinished heheh but WP7 is unfinished product, a work in progress...
maybe in a year or two, but not know...
do you want BEFORE or AFTER?

I would like some updates that fix up all the F***ing bugs and design inconsistencies,but I'm sure that update is not mango,maybe appollo...sigh...

sylau90 said:
I would like some updates that fix up all the F***ing bugs and design inconsistencies,but I'm sure that update is not mango,maybe appollo...sigh...
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Appollo? Where did you hear that? (read, whatever)
And.. well, I want Mango as soon as possible. Today!
The only shame is that MS is going to sell another handset instead updating just the OS.

Before or after iOS who cares really? Before November is what matters.

sammy_user said:
hehe!! if they release AFTER, most people would stay wit iPhone OS and marketing would be 0. if they release before... maybe the product is unfinished heheh but WP7 is unfinished product, a work in progress...
maybe in a year or two, but not know...
do you want BEFORE or AFTER?
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after using ios5 on the ipad and iphone, I'm just...not impressed...there are some aspects that are good, but I'm not a twit person and I don't use the IM platform either...so to me icloud would be my interest. But even that is somewhat limited at the current beta.
So I can't wait to grab something...else

mikeeam said:
The only shame is that MS is going to sell another handset instead updating just the OS.
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.....MS selling handsets????

FTC said:
.....MS selling handsets????
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Well, not MS itself. Just like when they launched WP7, developers could buy it first. Now is going to be the same. Mango will come before to developers, but not as an update. But as a handset.
At least, that's what I've heard.
Hope this rumor is wrong. MS doesn't need to play hard right now. They need to be different.
Apple managed a way to deliver the beta version of their OS through updates to developers. Why not MS?

I want it as soon as possible

sammy_user said:
hehe!! if they release AFTER, most people would stay wit iPhone OS and marketing would be 0. if they release before... maybe the product is unfinished heheh but WP7 is unfinished product, a work in progress...
maybe in a year or two, but not know...
do you want BEFORE or AFTER?
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i want it now

mikeeam said:
Well, not MS itself. Just like when they launched WP7, developers could buy it first. Now is going to be the same. Mango will come before to developers, but not as an update. But as a handset.
At least, that's what I've heard.
Hope this rumor is wrong. MS doesn't need to play hard right now. They need to be different.
Apple managed a way to deliver the beta version of their OS through updates to developers. Why not MS?
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I don't see why this is a problem. Developers get a new phone and users get a free update. I can guess why they do that, there are people (specially here) who are not developers and registered as such hoping they would get Mango early.

sylau90 said:
I would like some updates that fix up all the F***ing bugs and design inconsistencies,but I'm sure that update is not mango,maybe appollo...sigh...
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?? I have no bugs nor design inconsistencies. You seem to have a lot of problems with the phone, may I ask why you don't return it for an exchange?
To the OP:
I don't care whether its before or after personally because I am not about to go back to the iPhone. I just want it as soon as possible. For MS it would be better to release (AND HAVE DEPLOYED) before the iOS 5 release as it will give people incentive to get a wp7 device instead of staying with, or buying a new iPhone.

dtboos said:
?? I have no bugs nor design inconsistencies.
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To be fair many people are having issues with tiles and notifications not working until a hard reset so that's extremely frustrating. Other than that the annoyances are minimal.

sigh,I bought it in my home country and now studying abroad,so can't do an exchange,furthermore,I bought it outright with no contract...there is no contract available.

Peew971 said:
To be fair many people are having issues with tiles and notifications not working until a hard reset so that's extremely frustrating. Other than that the annoyances are minimal.
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Is there a consistent phone model this happens to by chance? I wonder if its an HTC or LG issue ect.

dtboos said:
Is there a consistent phone model this happens to by chance? I wonder if its an HTC or LG issue ect.
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I had a thread on this a few weeks back and there was nothing really consistent, seemed to be very random and not make related. Some people suggested it might be due to some carriers being unable to connect to MS servers. In the UK I've yet to meet someone without this issue and admittedly most people who did not have issues were in the US.

I have no idea what this thread is supposed to be about. I'm looking forward to the mango update and simply don't care for anything related to iOS.

Of course I want it ASAP. Learn to write English OP.
And it's going to be way better than iOS5.

Can I have it tomorrow ?
I'd do almost anything (within reason of course) to get on that beta program...

There is no point to this thread, clearly the OP is a iOS fan.

phoneguy 4567 said:
There is no point to this thread, clearly the OP is a iOS fan.
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no, im not fan, i use android my point is.. ios release in fall, mango release in fall.... or winter... that is strategic for microsoft if they decide to release before or after ios, it is going to affect the future of mango. they need to release in the best moment wit the best features

How long untill mango?

Simple question I hope
How far is mango off coming to factory unlocked handsets. I am assuming these don't have to wait for the usual carrier messing around and was the reason I went for on of these. I am also in the UK if this makes a difference because of region.
Thanks
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Nothing official yet, although there was one MS exec that stated October. I would say thats a pretty good bet. Although MS may try to push it out in Sept. due to a new iPhone coming out and iOS 5 being released. In fact, I not only hope they are doing so, I would almost bet on it. Here's to hoping they can push it out a bit quicker.

waiting desperately for it!! it would be fun!!!

It will go out to networks late summer, and be distributed to the end user in the fall - unless there is some delay.

It will probably be released on nokia handsets in early September, then released to the rest in October.

A beta version of Mango will become available to registered AppHub developers sometime next week. The finished version is expected to arrive around the first anniversary of the original WP7 launch.

Greg2k said:
A beta version of Mango will become available to registered AppHub developers sometime next week. The finished version is expected to arrive around the first anniversary of the original WP7 launch.
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Where'd you get that information?
There was a rumor early this week about the Mango Beta dropping on Wednesday or Thursday but it was dissmissed by Brandon Watson and it turned out to be false.

I think people are just inferring the "next week" time frame based on the wording of Brandon's tweet, when he said that nothing would be happening "this week".

slimshady322 said:
Where'd you get that information?
There was a rumor early this week about the Mango Beta dropping on Wednesday or Thursday but it was dissmissed by Brandon Watson and it turned out to be false.
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From here:
Neowin said:
This week has been a rollercoaster ride for Microsoft with Windows Phone 7. Firstly, the company distributed limited devices to the press for review, then Neowin uncovered news that the Mango beta was due this week. Today, we have uncovered news on why the delay happened, how the update process will work and new features that are likely to be included in the beta.
There's an eery silence coming from Microsoft this week, with normally noisy internal messaging boards and distribution lists going quiet about Mango and staff being unwilling to comment on the beta or Mango itself since the reviews went live. Neowin was contacted by a source inside Microsoft (who obviously did not want to be named) that told us that there was an issue with the build that was to be released this week. Apparently, the build that was to be released had a faulty upgrade script that pointed to a Microsoft Corporate file share, which would not work outside the company, which inevitably caused the delay. Our source says that after the delay, we should expect to see the "AppHub release within a week."
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Would the beta be available for everyone or just devs. We simple users can comment too ... about things that devs do not notice due to their orientation

drelisimo said:
Would the beta be available for everyone or just devs. We simple users can comment too ... about things that devs do not notice due to their orientation
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It is only for people who develop apps for WP7.
This release is not a beta version in the case of a beta test. Microsoft is not testing Mango.
Instead, they give developers early access to new features so that developers can start developing mango apps now.
That way when Mango is launched this fall, there will already be apps that take advantage of the new features.

So... what do you think the chances are...

As we close in on the 15th, I think two things will happen:
A) No Mango. The rumor-mill did it again.
B) Microsoft will STILL not have learned their lesson about replying to rumors.
They have to know what is being said on every single blog on earth. Type Mango into Google and it pulls up 500 news stories that say "durr will Sept 15 be release date??". Yet the closest thing I can find is a reply to a comment on the dev team blog. What happened to that guy who was hired after the NoDo fiasco to liaise with consumers?
Rule 1 in their position should be addressing rumors. No matter how small. Set up a "wp facts" page. Address the 15th rumor or whatever is next. By not, they're shooting themselves in the foot. I'm a cold-hearted cynic, and even I'm half convinced that it may actually begin being launched tomorrow.

A. I think the chance is rather high, but one never knows until that day gets here, right? That's what makes those rumors so power - the suspense of it. If it doesn't come people will just blame the carriers or OEMs. I think Microsoft was smart to say that their job was done, but they threw the OEMs and carriers under the bus in the process. Microsoft still has to approve the OTA even after the OEMs and Carriers do their thing, and there really isn't much to do since you they aren't allowed to bake in a ton of apps like on Android, WinMo/Symbian, and BB.
B. I think Microsoft thinks it helps them because it gets headlines, but when those days come and go the disappointment more than counters whatever was gained leading up to those days.

They did set up a webpage. Mango is not on it yet.

Just to answer your question. The guy they hired to be customer facing said in a blog post about a month and a half ago that he was going to maintain radio silence and "the next blog post will be the announcement that it is being released." A lot of good that's doing him.
While I wish they could have a concrete release date, I do wish they would at least deny dates. Sure it's our own fault for investing to heavily into unsubstantiated rumors, but they really could kill all of the speculation with one quick blog post.
Although the guys who said the release was this week have been spot on with their previous predictions, I may have to bet against this one.
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A: Microsoft only have an estimate date of when Mango will be ready for roll out.
B: Microsoft will only roll out the update after it test the update infrastructure.

Lol @ test the update infrastructure.
No.
Also, "this fall" is not an estimated date. Fall is a season, not a month, not a week, and certainly not a date. It's a 3 month season and if they wish to pass that off as an estimated date, I guess it means they genuinely think their customers are idiots. An estimated date would be something along the lines of "the second week of September." "This fall..." That tells me nothing other than "we're giving ourselves a 3 month span so that if they ahve to wait until the dawn of Winter, we won't look like idiots."
But anyways, we've seen this tactic employed recently. Remember the Samsung US Galaxy S FroYo updates and #NeverAgain? Yea, that's basically what happened. I'm suprised WP7 users aren't furious they had to wait a whole year for an update, but this seems like a special kind of user base. Microsoft must be ecstatic they're given so much rope to play with (then again, they didn't sell 10M phones like Samsung, probably 3-4M in the US alone)...
Main issue is getting the update through the OEMs and carriers. Most OEMs already have the update ready, and they're even making new stock Mango phones.
Carriers are another deal, but I'm suprised it takes carriers so long with WP7 updates when they have a lot less stuff to test due to their inability to bake as much bloatware into the devices' ROMs and stuff like that.
Maybe the carriers are waiting for their partners (TeleNav, MobiTV, Slacker, Netflix, etc.) to get their apps Mango-ready before they approve it? Cause we all know they won't Okay the update if their subscription-based Value-Adds don't work correctly on it...

sure haven't said:
B) Microsoft will STILL not have learned their lesson about replying to rumors.
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Microsoft has a policy concerning rumors. That is they do not comment and that is the best policy.
If this rumor is true, MS might make an announcement in the next few days and then the download will be available. If that's the case, then there was no need to comment on the rumor and say "Yes Mango is coming this week, but we want it to be available shortly after we announced it so we're not announcing it today."
If the rumor is false, people might be pissed at MS but they have no reason to be so. We do not know who started the rumor and all we ever heard from MS was "fall".
Now if MS were to dismiss every incorrect rumor as soon as they can (to not get up expectations), a missing comment on a rumor would kind of mark it as true.
They only comment on rumors when the rumor really might leave many people disappointed, like the Xbox + blu ray thing a couple of years ago.
Xbox 360s have sold way better than Windows Phones and this Mango rumor might be a big deal for us enthusiasts, but apart from us that's that.

BTW, I saw someone yesterday or the day before casually toss out the 2 PM PST time for a Mango release. That rumor's now dead.

I have a feeling it will be released on the 20th

9/15 isn't mango day, that was another rumor, folks. We've been saying "fall"... it's not fall yet! http://t.co/ZcvBO5ys
From joebelfiore on twitter.
I5 launching around then. Theyre dumb.
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sure haven't said:
As we close in on the 15th, I think two things will happen:
A) No Mango. The rumor-mill did it again.
B) Microsoft will STILL not have learned their lesson about replying to rumors.
They have to know what is being said on every single blog on earth. Type Mango into Google and it pulls up 500 news stories that say "durr will Sept 15 be release date??". Yet the closest thing I can find is a reply to a comment on the dev team blog. What happened to that guy who was hired after the NoDo fiasco to liaise with consumers?
Rule 1 in their position should be addressing rumors. No matter how small. Set up a "wp facts" page. Address the 15th rumor or whatever is next. By not, they're shooting themselves in the foot. I'm a cold-hearted cynic, and even I'm half convinced that it may actually begin being launched tomorrow.
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What lesson do they have to learn? They get free publicity, the only ones disappointed are the idiots that power the rumor mill.

fb401 said:
Just to answer your question. The guy they hired to be customer facing said in a blog post about a month and a half ago that he was going to maintain radio silence and "the next blog post will be the announcement that it is being released." A lot of good that's doing him.
While I wish they could have a concrete release date, I do wish they would at least deny dates. Sure it's our own fault for investing to heavily into unsubstantiated rumors, but they really could kill all of the speculation with one quick blog post.
Although the guys who said the release was this week have been spot on with their previous predictions, I may have to bet against this one.
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by the way, that's the same guy that kept radio silence while the blog was exploding with angry people during the nodo update failure.
The best thing for EVERYONE, devs, users, shops, etc would be to a predetermined release date, well in advance too. Failing that, as the date closes in, more and more accurate time windows. Failing that too, bad enough as it is, at least dispel rumors. Because it's not like people are EXCITED about the update. People are IMPATIENT. And rightly so, you're putting out features that have been on every smartphone for a long time !

let face with it or without mango WP7 is never going to win much of the market share, I expect theres a few who will have renewed their contact & jumped OS's before the mango hits the consumer ?

[Q] Windows Phone 8 on WP7 devices?

I've looked, but i can't seem to find much on this. Does anyone know if Windows Phone 8 will be able to run on my 1st Gen Samsung Focus when it's released, or will it be too much for the older hardware to handle?

Its still too early to tell but it doesn't appear it will be updated officially
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=22592891
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windows 7..

It is way too early to tell.
Microsoft hasn't even announce Tango yet, let alone Apollo (Windows Phone 8).

I understood what I have is that if Tango will be available for first-generation devices and Apollo will not get to see it because multicore devices will run normal and the technology advances and we will remove our devices and buy a new one, asin is the technology

I remember reading somewhere that 1st Gen won't , but 2nd gen will. can't remember the source though. If I find it, I'll post a link.

drkfngthdragnlrd said:
I remember reading somewhere that 1st Gen won't , but 2nd gen will. can't remember the source though. If I find it, I'll post a link.
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Oh sure, even low-range Tango devices, which is apparently 2nd<->3rd gen devices, will get Apollo, and mid-range 1st gen devices dont? Its been said, all current WP's WILL GET Apollo, only with a few missing features due to hardware limitations. Its like those HTC devices, 1st gens don't have extra features like STK and Camera Mode, whereas 2nd gens have these nifty features.

Let me rub my crystal ball.... No answer
To the OP, you need to wait till there is More info, When they are starting beta testing, then I am sure by then everyone on XDA will know.
I'm starting to hate these posts. Like anyone here can tell the future...
I guess it could be worse, I could have a Android phone waiting for ICS from their carrier...

According to the following article the answer is NO for all (1st/2nd gen)
Sounds like current and upcoming Windows Phone 7.x devices won't receive an upgrade to Windows Phone 8 "Apollo."

All of you guys are just making assumptions and going off of rumors that some blogger has pulled out of their ass, lol. I personally feel it will be upgradable, especially considering Microsoft's history with being able to install an OS on significantly older hardware. Yes, we might be missing features, but, hello, the same thing happened on Mango. Afaik I don't have a gyroscope, so guess what, my phone doesn't utilize it. And that's my assumption on what's going to happen with Apollo. All devices will get it, it'll just have the tango-effect in the marketplace and with features.

I am not sure how many IT techs are aware of the new MS approach, but let me tell you this, as from Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Sinofsky
Sinofsky's philosophy on Windows 7 was to not make any promises about the product or even discuss anything about the product until Microsoft was sure that it felt like a quality product. This was a radical departure from Microsoft's typical way of handling in-development versions of Windows, which was to publicly share all plans and details about it early in development cycle. Sinofsky also refrained from labeling versions of Windows "major" or "minor", and to instead just call them releases.
This is what they do with all MS products right now.

EgoMaximus said:
I am not sure how many IT techs are aware of the new MS approach, but let me tell you this, as from Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Sinofsky
Sinofsky's philosophy on Windows 7 was to not make any promises about the product or even discuss anything about the product until Microsoft was sure that it felt like a quality product. This was a radical departure from Microsoft's typical way of handling in-development versions of Windows, which was to publicly share all plans and details about it early in development cycle. Sinofsky also refrained from labeling versions of Windows "major" or "minor", and to instead just call them releases.
This is what they do with all MS products right now.
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From talks with a few Microsoft employees, I can tell you that are hard feelings in Redmond about Mango.
Apparently, Mango was announced way too early. As a result, competitors were able to copy features and Windows Phone Mango weren't impressive compare to the competitors.
In addition, Microsoft is furious about Pocketnow's Apollo leak. In fact, furious is an understatement.

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From talks with a few Microsoft employees, I can tell you that are hard feelings in Redmond about Mango.
Apparently, Mango was announced way too early. As a result, competitors were able to copy features and Windows Phone Mango weren't impressive compare to the competitors.
In addition, Microsoft is furious about Pocketnow's Apollo leak. In fact, furious is an understatement.
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Why was it shown to so many Nokia employees anyway? I understand if it was CEO only and few execs but now?
Are they trying to do something about it?

If not, I hope someone can release a port to single core phones

illegaloperation said:
From talks with a few Microsoft employees, I can tell you that are hard feelings in Redmond about Mango.
Apparently, Mango was announced way too early. As a result, competitors were able to copy features and Windows Phone Mango weren't impressive compare to the competitors.
In addition, Microsoft is furious about Pocketnow's Apollo leak. In fact, furious is an understatement.
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I'm not sure what their competitors apparently copied? Mango brought the wp platform to 2009 standards.

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I'm not sure what their competitors apparently copied? Mango brought the wp platform to 2009 standards.
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http://www.winrumors.com/microsoft-flattered-with-apples-ios-5-windows-phone-features/

I was originally told that ALL WP devices will get at least 2 major revision updates in their life cycle. Read that carefully. 2 Major revision -- Mango is a major revision. Tango is a minor update. So I'd assume Apollo will be the next major one. So ALL phones currently in the market will get Apollo.
Which is a big issue for OEMs since OEMs would rather sell you a new phone (see Android). WP also does not need multicore devices to function well anyways... so... I think we'll see Apollo on all of our devices.

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I was originally told that ALL WP devices will get at least 2 major revision updates in their life cycle. Read that carefully. 2 Major revision -- Mango is a major revision. Tango is a minor update. So I'd assume Apollo will be the next major one. So ALL phones currently in the market will get Apollo.
Which is a big issue for OEMs since OEMs would rather sell you a new phone (see Android). WP also does not need multicore devices to function well anyways... so... I think we'll see Apollo on all of our devices.
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We were also once told that wireless carriers wouldn't be able to permanently hold back multiple updates; yet, AT&T continues to delay (or block, as they won't confirm either) 7740 and 8107 for all of their devices. I wouldn't believe anything you hear today, regardless of the source. When summer or fall comes around and Apollo is in the near future, I'd say that's when we'll begin to find out what their plans are. Though with wireless carriers taking more control of the update ecosystem (through the increasing lack of update transparency this year) I wouldn't be surprised if there is no official announcement from Microsoft at all. If Microsoft makes an Apollo build available for older generation devices I'd expect most carriers to sit on it for months, that is, if they ever release it.

Who knows, MSFT will be surprising us all in a good way. I hope they know what we talk about in forums coz they READ what we write...I bet you there's a MSFT guy here among us and reading our posts....and I'm telling that guy right now that, MSFT will be DAMNED to not upgrade 1st gen phones....NO DOUBT!!!

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Who knows, MSFT will be surprising us all in a good way. I hope they know what we talk about in forums coz they READ what we write...I bet you there's a MSFT guy here among us and reading our posts....and I'm telling that guy right now that, MSFT will be DAMNED to not upgrade 1st gen phones....NO DOUBT!!!
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LOL, people already whine about no WP8 update, yet they have no idea what it will bring to the table, all they want is a number. All I care about is bit locker encryption and quad core CPU, there is no way WP8 update will add this on my device.
- I want WP8 update
- Why?
- Cause it says 8
- I want Apple, Apple is the best
- Why?
- Cause it's Apple
Well, hopefully, MS will release a registry patch, which changes version number from 7 to 8, so everyone is happy.