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Samsung undecided about Gingerbread on Galaxy S, Google says hardware needs 'similar'

If the Nexus S is basically a Galaxy S in Gingerbread disguise, you'd think Samsung would be bursting at the seams to offer a software upgrade for all the phones it's already sold from that family. Okay, you really wouldn't, but you'd hope that would be the case, right? Well, Pocket-lint prodded Samsung on just that point and managed to finagle the following response from a local UK contact presumably speaking on behalf of the mothership:
"In case a new version of Android operating system is publicly announced and released, Samsung will review the possibility of implementation of such new version to the existing Samsung products with Android operating system ("Update").
Such a review will be based on various factors including, without limitation, the overall effect of such Update to Samsung products, the system requirements, the structural limitations, and the level of cooperation from the component suppliers and the software licensors".
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More here:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/09/samsung-undecided-about-gingerbread-on-galaxy-s-google-says-har/

Nope, the Galaxy S will be getting gingerbread:
http://twitter.com/Samsung_Mobiles/status/12437775529803776
A reporter already touched bases with Samsung, Samsung has claimed to be working on Gingerbread way before Motorola and HTC supposedly because they were experimenting with it on the tablets.

SlimJ87D said:
Nope, the Galaxy S will be getting gingerbread:
http://twitter.com/Samsung_Mobiles/status/12437775529803776
A reporter already touched bases with Samsung, Samsung has claimed to be working on Gingerbread way before Motorola and HTC supposedly because they were experimenting with it on the tablets.
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Both of these pieces of information have been discussed in the Gingerbread thread.
And saying "Nope" doesn't change the fact that the Engadget article is pointing out the same inconsistencies - Samsung UK says "unknown at this time" and as your tweet shows; Samsung India says "yes" - so I think we can agree that the answer is undecided.
No idea why a new thread was started.

alphadog00 said:
Both of these pieces of information have been discussed in the Gingerbread thread.
And saying "Nope" doesn't change the fact that the Engadget article is pointing out the same inconsistencies - Samsung UK says "unknown at this time" and as your tweet shows; Samsung India says "yes" - so I think we can agree that the answer is undecided.
No idea why a new thread was started.
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"UK contact presumably speaking on behalf of the mothership:"
Who is this contact and presume is better way of saying assume.
I truly hope that India is right.

Considering most employee's Twitter use about work is governed by non-disclosure agreements, for an Indian employee to Tweet something like that he is either corect and doing it with company permission, or soon to be fired, correct or not.

A big question is where do Samsung software engineers work?
Maybe they work in India or Korea, who knows. But I think the UK wouldn't have as much knowledge as either of them.
We'll just have to wait and see.

alphadog00 said:
No idea why a new thread was started.
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You really don't have an idea? It should be quite obvious...I did it to annoy you.

nooomoto said:
You really don't have an idea? It should be quite obvious...I did it to annoy you.
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That and because you probably don't know to search first... standard rookie mistake. But I forgive you.

alphadog00 said:
That and because you probably don't know to search first... standard rookie mistake. But I forgive you.
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Whew! That was a close one, I wasn't sure if you were going to forgive me or not. Now I can rest easy tonight...I'll post a new thread to let you know.
I apologize for not having superior forum searching skills. I'm so glad that you found the time in your busy day to point out that the link to the article had already been posted in the 8 page long Gingerbread thread, while at the same time offering your analysis of the situation and reaching the conclusion that nothing has been decided. You are truly a shining beacon in the pantheon of multi-tasking.
Really dude, stop being so anal. Everyone on this forum is so pissy. I've been on physics forums that are more light-hearted.

Bravo to the UK rep for giving a nice neutral PC response. He should get a job in politics.
Seriously, what is the rep supposed to say?
"Yes, without question."
"NO, never going to happen. Buy new Samsung products."

Do you think samsung wants to make more money or keep current customers happy?
Because I think they are more after money.
So they in my conclusion they would not make gingerbread FW for SGS.
they would make a whole lot to give us froyo and make the "next gen" phone with Gingerbread and have that updated to whatever is going to be next....h...h...
offtopic... what dessert starts with a h?

sixk said:
Do you think samsung wants to make more money or keep current customers happy?
Because I think they are more after money.
So they in my conclusion they would not make gingerbread FW for SGS.
they would make a whole lot to give us froyo and make the "next gen" phone with Gingerbread and have that updated to whatever is going to be next....h...h...
offtopic... what dessert starts with a h?
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Well making money and keeping your customers go hand in hand.

Honeycomb
Sent from my Axura 2.1 phone with Gingerbread keyboard.

ah... is that the announced name honeycomb???
I didnt look it up haha >_<
anyways technology is changing so fast they cant keep one item for more than 2 years now without it being obselete now.
We have a SGS captivate because we wanted the best...
but for how long?
I am pretty sure by next summer its going to be mid range by than.
So like half the people with a captivate will get the "newest bestest" phone by then because thats what we want. the best tech for that time... well those with money atleast haha
so my point is why waste time on a mid range phone when they can concentrate on a better phone by the time they can put gingerbread into SGS variations.
Also with all the carriers being stingy with froyo... =/
I can only see 1 FW update for new phones lately unless its Dev phones.
Reason why iphone are good is because they can update their fw because all their phones are similar and is on one carrier till they go verizon.
This is just my opinion though
only thing we can do is just wait and see. ^^
have a good day and really I do hope for Gingy for our phones.

sixk said:
so my point is why waste time on a mid range phone when they can concentrate on a better phone by the time they can put gingerbread into SGS variations.
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Because if you don't treat current customers well it makes it harder to get new customers.

if most customers are like me i had the i8910 hd and changed to captivate to see if they might have better support which is a whole lot better than the i8910.
but really... with tech moving so fast support will only last 2 years the most imho
look at nokia and sony...
they are like that also ^^ not only with phones but with other things.
but everyone has their opinion and story
I guess this is getting more and more off topic
im sorry haha

File this under, I'll believe it when I see it.
Samjunk still hasnt released Froyo for the Captivate yet and people are worried about Gingerbread?

derek4484 said:
File this under, I'll believe it when I see it.
Samjunk still hasnt released Froyo for the Captivate yet and people are worried about Gingerbread?
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Is it Samsung that hasn't release Froyo or the carriers who haven't released it?

derek4484 said:
File this under, I'll believe it when I see it.
Samjunk still hasnt released Froyo for the Captivate yet and people are worried about Gingerbread?
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Blame att not Samsung.
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Ok.. is SG going to give us Gingerbread.. They say they will, but by then we are going to be PAST Honeycomb, they are slow, lazy and do not care. Honestly, they rather sell a new phone with the new OS then just do a free update.
lets be honest, they will give it to us, but by then it will be too late
NOW, lets think about this tho. the Nexus S is a Galaxy S with a twist right. So lets wait till some of the Chefs in the Rom dept give us a ROM unlike anything in efficency that SG will give us.
I mean, do you think the update to Froyo is going to be as good as the stuff that is out already? heck we even have some stable OV-UV HSPA roms out there, stable and all.
I'v had HTC, Samsung, and millions of other phones, i never rely on the manufacture. Heck even the iPhone had such better stuff when it was jailbroken.
just say'n. the newest from the manufactures, will be nothing but just obsolete crap.

[Q] What's available now?

Am I missing something or is the Chevron unlock a useless item now? If I have a new WP7 fully updated is there any hope of unlocking it at present? I am too used to Android already so it's going to kill me if this thing can't be hacked and I get put back in the corporate cage.
Please advise on any opportunities.

What phone do you have? If it's an LG, you can use the built in secret MFG app to modify the registry, and enable the developer unlock. (Which is all that Chevron does anyway).
If not... you may be able to downgrade. You can certainly downgrad the LG Optimus 7 by downloading the original ROM and installing using some whacky LG-specific 'modem' software.
I'm not sure what other options you have.

mcalhoun said:
Am I missing something or is the Chevron unlock a useless item now? If I have a new WP7 fully updated is there any hope of unlocking it at present? I am too used to Android already so it's going to kill me if this thing can't be hacked and I get put back in the corporate cage.
Please advise on any opportunities.
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Basically, if you have the latest WP7 updates applied, there is no known method to unlock your device.
Someone will surely figure out how to crack it open again, but right now, there is nothing.

Thanks folks, It's hard as hell going from a Moto Droid that's wide open to this wanna be Apple device. Feels like being put in prison. I'll wait patiently for a fix...well maybe not patiently but wait none-the-less. LOL

mcalhoun said:
Thanks folks, It's hard as hell going from a Moto Droid that's wide open to this wanna be Apple device. Feels like being put in prison. I'll wait patiently for a fix...well maybe not patiently but wait none-the-less. LOL
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(DISREGARD THE "THANKS", I MEANT TO HIT QUOTE)
So why don't you take it back or sell it and stop *****ing like a 4 year old?

mcalhoun said:
Thanks folks, It's hard as hell going from a Moto Droid that's wide open to this wanna be Apple device. Feels like being put in prison. I'll wait patiently for a fix...well maybe not patiently but wait none-the-less. LOL
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Didnt you just claim here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=986628that WP7 is a joke? Really, for someone who claims android is so superior how hard can it be to take the WP7 device you dont like back to the store you got it from and get a device you actually like and NOT troll on the WP7 forums?

What a way to sell another OS.
No help, support or anything. WP7 police in full force.

vetvito said:
What a way to sell another OS.
No help, support or anything. WP7 police in full force.
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Someone posting claiming that using WP7 is like being in prison (not to mention creating another thread to bash WP7) doesnt really come across as someone looking for help. Is it really that hard to just move on from an OS you tried and didnt like, is there an unspoken rule that says you have to bash WP7?

Dang, sorry to get you MS fans ruffled. I really didn't mean to honestly. I didn't know that only certain people are entitled to an opinion here.
I got this particular phone because I work in a location where I KNOW for certain gets good reception. I'd have rather had an Android phone but didn't want to chance getting one that didn't have the same reception in that geographical area. Some phones radios are just stronger than others.
It'll do for making calls, texting and checking emails in a pinch. I truly didn't realize that the platform was wrapped up so tightly before I got it. If you've ever had an Android phone you should understand the shock factor after switching.
I still have my Droid and will use it primarily. I'll just keep the WP7 to use like the "may-pop" spare tire on a car until a way to unlock it again comes available.
Edit: And as for my other post that was linked...I am too used to reading in the other forum and not the WP7 section that I kinda forgot where I was. Apologies for that. Some of the issues folks need to know about before purchasing the devices though.

Grow a brain, look into what you are buying next time you purchase anything.
And you didn't get "us MS fanbois ruffled durr", you walked into a forum of people who enjoy a particular device and trash-talked it instead of being mature.

sure haven't said:
Grow a brain, look into what you are buying next time you purchase anything.
And you didn't get "us MS fanbois ruffled durr", you walked into a forum of people who enjoy a particular device and trash-talked it instead of being mature.
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At least I haven't stooped low enough to resort to personal insults. I'm 40 years old, I have kids older than you. Drop it.

mcalhoun said:
At least I haven't stooped low enough to resort to personal insults. I'm 40 years old, I have kids older than you. Drop it.
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You had kids when you were 9?
I'll be honest, I thought you were 15 or so by your posting style.

Took a while but I got this one to side load apps. So it's still able to be unlocked as of now. I did install the Chevron .cert, used LGM to dev unlock, had to change my USB setting to QC Composite I think. Still looking to see what's out and available for it.
Would love a way to bluetooth files over to it. Or Dropbox.

Developer unlock for Mango

If the mango update is being released to developers early, does that mean people who have unlocked their phones will be able to receive this update?
If this is not the case, then if a device is unlocked, can a user pay the $99 unlocking fee in order to have a developer unlocked device?

yes. pay 99$ and u will get it sooner.

Everyone will have it early.........lol......
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i've only heard it for emus in may. the rumor that devs get it first is a bit presumptuous...

domineus said:
i've only heard it for emus in may. the rumor that devs get it first is a bit presumptuous...
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Well, it came from the horses mouth - Brandon Watson. Although, Joe Belfiore said there were no plans to this effect. Question is who we believe, Brandon who is in charge of developers or Joe who is VP for the entire platform.

Brandon also said 4 months ago that ms will make sideloading possible for all. I dont believe him. Probably developer unlocked devices will get mango like 1 day before the official release of mango, which btw will most likely be 100000 weeks before all other will get it through their carriers.

diboze said:
Brandon also said 4 months ago that ms will make sideloading possible for all. I dont believe him. Probably developer unlocked devices will get mango like 1 day before the official release of mango, which btw will most likely be 100000 weeks before all other will get it through their carriers.
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Please show me where exactly he said this. I think you're paraphrasing incorrectly.

emigrating said:
Well, it came from the horses mouth - Brandon Watson. Although, Joe Belfiore said there were no plans to this effect. Question is who we believe, Brandon who is in charge of developers or Joe who is VP for the entire platform.
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Joe...definitely Joe

domineus said:
Joe...definitely Joe
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You mean the guy who, during US launch, said "Copy'n'paste is coming very very soon"? ;D
I dunno. I'm inclined to go with Brandon on this one. There has been whispers for quite some time already and I know other "features" I've discussed with certain team-members are actually on their way now, even though Joe said otherwise.
We will see what happens I guess. I'm not expecting it to be rolled out simultaneously with the tool update though, but definitely before public release.

emigrating said:
You mean the guy who, during US launch, said "Copy'n'paste is coming very very soon"? ;D
I dunno. I'm inclined to go with Brandon on this one. There has been whispers for quite some time already and I know other "features" I've discussed with certain team-members are actually on their way now, even though Joe said otherwise.
We will see what happens I guess. I'm not expecting it to be rolled out simultaneously with the tool update though, but definitely before public release.
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very very soon is relative man relative! darn you einstein
but seriously I'm still waiting for a solution for sideloading that brandon stated in february sometime...that's all I have to say about that =)

who said that when
source please?

gkoonjul said:
source please?
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feb ppcgeeks podcast
its on zune marketplace

Joe has expanded his answer a little. Basically he said they are working on it but hasn't planned (scheduled) it as of yet.
This is much more in-line with Brandon so I reckon we will get a developers image during the summer.

emigrating said:
Please show me where exactly he said this. I think you're paraphrasing incorrectly.
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Earlier today, we were contacted by Brandon Watson, Director of Developer Experience for Windows Phone 7, to discuss the ChevronWP7 unlocking tool.
Through this discussion, we established a mutual understanding of our intent to enable homebrew opportunities and to open the Windows Phone 7 platform for broader access to developers and users.
To pursue these goals with Microsoft’s support, Brandon Watson has agreed to engage in futher discussions with us about officially facilitating homebrew development on WP7.
Dec 1st
http://www.chevronwp7.com/post/2057541126/pursuing-the-future-of-homebrew-on-windows-phone-7
and now tell me what has happend in this "further" discussion. Yes exactly nothing. No access to needed APIs, no officially supported homebrew, no update progress. Its just hot air coming out of his mouth...

diboze said:
Earlier today, we were contacted by Brandon Watson, Director of Developer Experience for Windows Phone 7, to discuss the ChevronWP7 unlocking tool.
Through this discussion, we established a mutual understanding of our intent to enable homebrew opportunities and to open the Windows Phone 7 platform for broader access to developers and users.
To pursue these goals with Microsoft’s support, Brandon Watson has agreed to engage in futher discussions with us about officially facilitating homebrew development on WP7.
Dec 1st
http://www.chevronwp7.com/post/2057541126/pursuing-the-future-of-homebrew-on-windows-phone-7
and now tell me what has happend in this "further" discussion. Yes exactly nothing. No access to needed APIs, no officially supported homebrew, no update progress. Its just hot air coming out of his mouth...
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Like I said, you were paraphrasing it worng. Nowhere did he say that "ms will make sideloading possible for all". He said they agreed to engage in further discussions about facilitating homebrew development on WP7 - something they have done.
No access to needed APIs? You do realize they announced some 1500+ new APIs during MIX11, right? Tools are coming next month. As for homebrew development, well either you pay the $99 (or you get a free code from someone who can provide them - there are plenty around) or you wait until ManGo when there will very likely be some more news to share in regards to this. Did you really expect them to roll out a homebrew solution with NoDo?

they can announce a lot. they also said nodo would come "early 2011", when did it arrive..ah yes, it was the 2Q of 2011.
Moreover I have no problem with not having a free option for unlocking. I can unlock my phone anytime with my dev acc sponsored by dreamspark.
Its just that you cant believe them anymore. We have to wait 1y to get wp7 to where the other mobile OS are.
Like I said, you were paraphrasing it worng. Nowhere did he say that "ms will make sideloading possible for all". He said they agreed to engage in further discussions about facilitating homebrew development on WP7 - something they have done.
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Its easy to say that now, but at that time it had to sound like they are working on something.
Did you really expect them to roll out a homebrew solution with NoDo?
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I expected them to give the user more freedom. Phone and appwise. Then after nodo was not given...I just wanted the update...now I just want them to shut up. My hopes now are with hackers to open up the plattform and deliver some needed features. But even they arent interested in the OS anymore :'(

I wasn't very happy about the NoDo delays either, but it was released Q1. As unfortunate as the delays were I truly do think it was a one time thing. Any future updates should roll out on the date they tell us - bar operator testing of course, but since I'm on a unbranded device this is of no concern to me personally.
Sources tell me Mango will not be a year after launch, but we will see what happens there. In either case I never expected a large update before August 2011 anyways. What I did expect were lots and lots of smaller updates being rolled out with bugfixes - and this is an area they still have to work on, but Mango in the fall is right on schedule if you ask me.
To be honest, I never believed they would come up with an alternative to Chevron when the hole the tool used was closed. You may have thought so, but there was never any indication made that this would be the case.
As for hackers not being interested anymore. Are you living under a rock? DFT is working on a HSPL for the HTC line of devices and we have community sourced APIs opening up pretty much anything you could want the device to do.
Sure, I can understand where you're coming from - but at the same time I do think they are trying very hard to become more transparent. Can't really ask for more than that.

Even if developers do get priority, im sure someone will help the rest of us, so im not worries and dont care!

As for hackers not being interested anymore. Are you living under a rock? DFT is working on a HSPL for the HTC line of devices and we have community sourced APIs opening up pretty much anything you could want the device to do
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They just opened up what should have already been there
It was not ment as an criticism towards the devs. I love what they do here. But they just dont have enough options to make the apps we users want.
To be honest, I never believed they would come up with an alternative to Chevron when the hole the tool used was closed. You may have thought so, but there was never any indication made that this would be the case.
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And now there is no indication that they will give developers priority on mango? So what makes you think, that they will "deliver" this time?

diboze said:
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And now there is no indication that they will give developers priority on mango? So what makes you think, that they will "deliver" this time?
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There is indications. Brandon Watson has said we are working on it. Joe Belfiore said "no plans" which was apparently taken out of context enough for him to expand his answer days after saying basically the same as Brandon.
Sure, it might be more smoke and empty promises, but these people saying this compares very well with what they (and other senior team members) have said in the past - things which were now presented at MIX11.

Mango release Sept 1st ?

Just found this on Pocket-lint.com ..
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Microsoft will roll out its latest phone operating system, currently codenamed Mango, to Windows Phone 7 users starting on 1 September, Pocket-lint has exclusively learnt. Therefore, that will be the date that the company will start its fightback against Android and the iPhone.
Multiple trusted sources have confirmed to us that the start of next month will see the new OS, available to developers over the summer, launching on new handsets, as well as becoming available to current WP7 customers.
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Link
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/41489/windows-phone-7-mango-1-september
So let me guess, Verizon will be March 2012 ?

Well its just a rumor :|

Extreme boy said:
Well its just a rumor :|
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True, but it was also a rumor that the Mango beta was going to be released to developers, and that happened. It was also a rumor that Mango was RTM, and just a couple of days later that was also confirmed.
There are a couple of good reasons to unveil it at that time. Not only would it beat Apple and Google to the punch, giving WP7 (mostly) undivided media attention for a month or so, but it would allow new devices to be announced at IFA. Seems like a good plan to me.

I would be very surprised if it was not available in time for the Build conference, so Sept 1 feels right. I certainly expect every paid Build attendee will be getting a Mango phone of some sort.

mikebaz said:
I would be very surprised if it was not available in time for the Build conference, so Sept 1 feels right. I certainly expect every paid Build attendee will be getting a Mango phone of some sort.
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I don't, would be nice
although september first would be really ideal. TO beat the apple crunch but also for OEMs to churn out new F/W updates too

It should be landing around that time. I mean, it is done and all. So the release is immanent.

Damn if its Sep 1 for first class users like ones with branded contract wp7 users .. Than I think my unbranded, expansys unlocked German Samsung Omnia 7 will get it by Mid November .. :'(
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RoboDad said:
True, but it was also a rumor that the Mango beta was going to be released to developers, and that happened. It was also a rumor that Mango was RTM, and just a couple of days later that was also confirmed.
There are a couple of good reasons to unveil it at that time. Not only would it beat Apple and Google to the punch, giving WP7 (mostly) undivided media attention for a month or so, but it would allow new devices to be announced at IFA. Seems like a good plan to me.
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Yea, but, after NoDO, that was a mess...
Let's hope they release it to Zune to everyone on Sept 1st but, I wonder what the carriers are going to do, if they stop it or not.
At least things look like it's possable to happen but, this did not come directly from Microsoft, so take it with a grain of salt...

It won't be coming to Zune on September 1st. That's already a given. Plus, when it is ready I expect Microsoft to release it to us on a rolling schedule, not all at once. Any release on that date will likely be in the form of new hardware announcements, and possibly the announcement of the initial schedule for delivery to existing phones.
As for Nodo, technically no carriers blocked it. If they had, there would be people out there who were still running 7004 due to carrier block, and that isn't the case. NoDo is available right now for every phone. The whole "carrier blocking" issue was a mole hill made into a mountain.
What some carriers did (which was pathetic and reprehensible) was take far too long during their internal testing and updates to their own apps. What should have been a 4 week process ended up being a 4 month process in some cases.
Whether Microsoft will be able to motivate them to be quicker this time is anyone's guess, but one thing that is different is that we know the exact date that the carriers all received the final build of Mango (and we also know that they received earlier builds as well for development purposes).
Unfortunately, for now all we can do is wait and see what happens.

Ms employees are getting it today
http://www.wpcentral.com/microsoft-employees-getting-mango-7720-starting-today
Someone please leak it so I don't have to wait till next year for Verizon to release it....

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"I hope the news will come out soon."
English please... This is an english thread

Confirmed to be a rumor by Joe Belfiore (via Twitter). Too bad.

[Q] Windows Phone 8 on WP7 devices?

I've looked, but i can't seem to find much on this. Does anyone know if Windows Phone 8 will be able to run on my 1st Gen Samsung Focus when it's released, or will it be too much for the older hardware to handle?

Its still too early to tell but it doesn't appear it will be updated officially
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=22592891
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windows 7..

It is way too early to tell.
Microsoft hasn't even announce Tango yet, let alone Apollo (Windows Phone 8).

I understood what I have is that if Tango will be available for first-generation devices and Apollo will not get to see it because multicore devices will run normal and the technology advances and we will remove our devices and buy a new one, asin is the technology

I remember reading somewhere that 1st Gen won't , but 2nd gen will. can't remember the source though. If I find it, I'll post a link.

drkfngthdragnlrd said:
I remember reading somewhere that 1st Gen won't , but 2nd gen will. can't remember the source though. If I find it, I'll post a link.
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Oh sure, even low-range Tango devices, which is apparently 2nd<->3rd gen devices, will get Apollo, and mid-range 1st gen devices dont? Its been said, all current WP's WILL GET Apollo, only with a few missing features due to hardware limitations. Its like those HTC devices, 1st gens don't have extra features like STK and Camera Mode, whereas 2nd gens have these nifty features.

Let me rub my crystal ball.... No answer
To the OP, you need to wait till there is More info, When they are starting beta testing, then I am sure by then everyone on XDA will know.
I'm starting to hate these posts. Like anyone here can tell the future...
I guess it could be worse, I could have a Android phone waiting for ICS from their carrier...

According to the following article the answer is NO for all (1st/2nd gen)
Sounds like current and upcoming Windows Phone 7.x devices won't receive an upgrade to Windows Phone 8 "Apollo."

All of you guys are just making assumptions and going off of rumors that some blogger has pulled out of their ass, lol. I personally feel it will be upgradable, especially considering Microsoft's history with being able to install an OS on significantly older hardware. Yes, we might be missing features, but, hello, the same thing happened on Mango. Afaik I don't have a gyroscope, so guess what, my phone doesn't utilize it. And that's my assumption on what's going to happen with Apollo. All devices will get it, it'll just have the tango-effect in the marketplace and with features.

I am not sure how many IT techs are aware of the new MS approach, but let me tell you this, as from Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Sinofsky
Sinofsky's philosophy on Windows 7 was to not make any promises about the product or even discuss anything about the product until Microsoft was sure that it felt like a quality product. This was a radical departure from Microsoft's typical way of handling in-development versions of Windows, which was to publicly share all plans and details about it early in development cycle. Sinofsky also refrained from labeling versions of Windows "major" or "minor", and to instead just call them releases.
This is what they do with all MS products right now.

EgoMaximus said:
I am not sure how many IT techs are aware of the new MS approach, but let me tell you this, as from Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Sinofsky
Sinofsky's philosophy on Windows 7 was to not make any promises about the product or even discuss anything about the product until Microsoft was sure that it felt like a quality product. This was a radical departure from Microsoft's typical way of handling in-development versions of Windows, which was to publicly share all plans and details about it early in development cycle. Sinofsky also refrained from labeling versions of Windows "major" or "minor", and to instead just call them releases.
This is what they do with all MS products right now.
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From talks with a few Microsoft employees, I can tell you that are hard feelings in Redmond about Mango.
Apparently, Mango was announced way too early. As a result, competitors were able to copy features and Windows Phone Mango weren't impressive compare to the competitors.
In addition, Microsoft is furious about Pocketnow's Apollo leak. In fact, furious is an understatement.

illegaloperation said:
From talks with a few Microsoft employees, I can tell you that are hard feelings in Redmond about Mango.
Apparently, Mango was announced way too early. As a result, competitors were able to copy features and Windows Phone Mango weren't impressive compare to the competitors.
In addition, Microsoft is furious about Pocketnow's Apollo leak. In fact, furious is an understatement.
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Why was it shown to so many Nokia employees anyway? I understand if it was CEO only and few execs but now?
Are they trying to do something about it?

If not, I hope someone can release a port to single core phones

illegaloperation said:
From talks with a few Microsoft employees, I can tell you that are hard feelings in Redmond about Mango.
Apparently, Mango was announced way too early. As a result, competitors were able to copy features and Windows Phone Mango weren't impressive compare to the competitors.
In addition, Microsoft is furious about Pocketnow's Apollo leak. In fact, furious is an understatement.
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I'm not sure what their competitors apparently copied? Mango brought the wp platform to 2009 standards.

sure haven't said:
I'm not sure what their competitors apparently copied? Mango brought the wp platform to 2009 standards.
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http://www.winrumors.com/microsoft-flattered-with-apples-ios-5-windows-phone-features/

I was originally told that ALL WP devices will get at least 2 major revision updates in their life cycle. Read that carefully. 2 Major revision -- Mango is a major revision. Tango is a minor update. So I'd assume Apollo will be the next major one. So ALL phones currently in the market will get Apollo.
Which is a big issue for OEMs since OEMs would rather sell you a new phone (see Android). WP also does not need multicore devices to function well anyways... so... I think we'll see Apollo on all of our devices.

seraph1024 said:
I was originally told that ALL WP devices will get at least 2 major revision updates in their life cycle. Read that carefully. 2 Major revision -- Mango is a major revision. Tango is a minor update. So I'd assume Apollo will be the next major one. So ALL phones currently in the market will get Apollo.
Which is a big issue for OEMs since OEMs would rather sell you a new phone (see Android). WP also does not need multicore devices to function well anyways... so... I think we'll see Apollo on all of our devices.
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We were also once told that wireless carriers wouldn't be able to permanently hold back multiple updates; yet, AT&T continues to delay (or block, as they won't confirm either) 7740 and 8107 for all of their devices. I wouldn't believe anything you hear today, regardless of the source. When summer or fall comes around and Apollo is in the near future, I'd say that's when we'll begin to find out what their plans are. Though with wireless carriers taking more control of the update ecosystem (through the increasing lack of update transparency this year) I wouldn't be surprised if there is no official announcement from Microsoft at all. If Microsoft makes an Apollo build available for older generation devices I'd expect most carriers to sit on it for months, that is, if they ever release it.

Who knows, MSFT will be surprising us all in a good way. I hope they know what we talk about in forums coz they READ what we write...I bet you there's a MSFT guy here among us and reading our posts....and I'm telling that guy right now that, MSFT will be DAMNED to not upgrade 1st gen phones....NO DOUBT!!!

Kenzibit said:
Who knows, MSFT will be surprising us all in a good way. I hope they know what we talk about in forums coz they READ what we write...I bet you there's a MSFT guy here among us and reading our posts....and I'm telling that guy right now that, MSFT will be DAMNED to not upgrade 1st gen phones....NO DOUBT!!!
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LOL, people already whine about no WP8 update, yet they have no idea what it will bring to the table, all they want is a number. All I care about is bit locker encryption and quad core CPU, there is no way WP8 update will add this on my device.
- I want WP8 update
- Why?
- Cause it says 8
- I want Apple, Apple is the best
- Why?
- Cause it's Apple
Well, hopefully, MS will release a registry patch, which changes version number from 7 to 8, so everyone is happy.