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It seems as if things have died down a lot... Whats the deal?
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Hare4 said:
It seems as if things have died down a lot... Whats the deal?
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Probably have reached or are approaching the limits of what can be done by tweaking existing ROMs.
I'm not sure if we have anyone in the community that has the time and skills for an AOSP bringup and owns an Infuse. Once an AOSP bringup is complete, there are a LOT more options as far as places to take our device.
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Probably have reached or are approaching the limits of what can be done by tweaking existing ROMs.
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Hardly.
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Hardly.
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After coming from the x10 forum....i can wholeheartedly agree. Those crazy bastards did some outrageous stuff with stock. Heck they somehow shoved gingerbread on that thing before it even got 2.1 and thats with a locked bootloader.
Don't hate lol. As people have already said we already have some nice changes to the stock rom and more to come. I came from the Evo and had cm7...oh how that will be amazing.
From what I've read devs are working on cm but I don't know how that is going but at least its going. Devs have phones all they need it time I too hope its sooner rather than later.
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Gingerbread is saposedly to be released soon(looks like canada first) so itll be put out there quicker than well get it so everyones waiting instead of having to Redo it all again
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I'm reading like 4 different expansions, can a dev explain something?
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Entropy512 wrote that at this point, the developers have done as much as they can by tweaking the stock ROM. In other words, not much can be done until another ROM is pushed from Samsung and the carriers. MikeyMike01 countered and said that this is not true at all. holland6045 agreed, and said that his experience with a certain phone is that a *lot* can be done by tweaking the stock ROM of a phone. CHUDLINGS said that developers are working on porting CM7, and that more time is needed. bignate78 mentions that (possibly) a Samsung-delivered Gingerbread ROM is likely to be released in Candada soon, and that this would speed up development.
Not being very familiar with the development status, I would summarize as follows: At this point, we are limited to tweaking the stock ROM. Although developers are working on porting CM7, many are waiting for a Gingerbread ROM to be pushed to the phone (likely in Canada first) so that they do not have to start from scratch.
[@Anyone: If I've misinterpreted anything, do correct me.]
I think the part about waiting for gingerbread to drop on the canadian carrier is the most accurate
who the hell wants to waste so much time getting it over from another gs device when it's nearly ready to drop in some form ?
Yeah. I believe gtg made a comment that there are a number of tweaks to Infused that he's not bothering with because he'd have to redo them when the Canadian Gingerbread release drops.
Alright, thanks for the info men.
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No problem. Also thanks to the guy who pretty much translated that all for him.
Oh and just for the record, as an example of what you can do when you really want to with a stock fw: the devs over on the x10 forum (while not infighting ) effectively gutted the stock to the bare necessities and transplanted gingerbread onto that...because even though Sony got hacked, they do a darn good job at locking down a bootloader. But in the end they bypassed that too.
Also i must say i like the community here much better, a lot more friendly and helpful.
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Hey guys.
I'm trying to gauge interest here as to what roms you're all most interested in so I can start getting in touch with some devs to see if I can talk them into porting.
What would be nice from all of us:
-Make a pledge to throw a few $ down. Doesn't have to be much, but anything you can spare will encourage devs to come on over.
-PATIENCE. Especially if the dev doing the port doesn't actually own an MT4GS, there's going to be a lot of back and forth between them and whoever is playing intermediary (I am more than happy to take this role, and of course any one else who wants to play guinea pig should let the dev know as well). XDA devs have other obligations in their lives and it's important to remember that before getting on their butts for taking a long time on updates, etc.
Let me know if there are any specific ROMs you'd like to see added to the poll. For now, I'm keeping it simple and broad, since a lot of specific roms are just different flavors of a base rom.
Poll is up. If you are someone who would be willing to donate to the effort, please state the amount so we can give devs something to get excited about!
I'm in for $20 to the first person who ports a custom rom to the MT4GS.
$10 for the first person who ports an AOSP rom or Cyanogenmod.
(that's $30 if the first rom ported is AOSP/CM. )
Let's get some excitement brewing!!! XDA has excellent developers, why not entice them to employ their knowledge and skills to make our experience with the MT4GS the best it can be?
Something like virtuous rom
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I would love to see Aamikam do some development. I would be happy with anything that is stable really. Some CM7 would be sweet
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I would love to see MIUI just as much as I'd love to see a CM7 Rom. In Fact, I'd be willing to donate the most to a MIUI Port.
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Hey guys.
I'm trying to gauge interest here as to what roms you're all most interested in so I can start getting in touch with some devs to see if I can talk them into porting.
What would be nice from all of us:
-Make a pledge to throw a few $ down. Doesn't have to be much, but anything you can spare will encourage devs to come on over.
-PATIENCE. Especially if the dev doing the port doesn't actually own an MT4GS, there's going to be a lot of back and forth between them and whoever is playing intermediary (I am more than happy to take this role, and of course any one else who wants to play guinea pig should let the dev know as well). XDA devs have other obligations in their lives and it's important to remember that before getting on their butts for taking a long time on updates, etc.
Let me know if there are any specific ROMs you'd like to see added to the poll. For now, I'm keeping it simple and broad, since a lot of specific roms are just different flavors of a base rom.
Poll is up. If you are someone who would be willing to donate to the effort, please state the amount so we can give devs something to get excited about!
I'm in for $20 to the first person who ports a custom rom to the MT4GS.
$10 for the first person who ports an AOSP rom or Cyanogenmod.
(that's $30 if the first rom ported is AOSP/CM. )
Let's get some excitement brewing!!! XDA has excellent developers, why not entice them to employ their knowledge and skills to make our experience with the MT4GS the best it can be?
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I don't have this device but I think I can port a Desire Z Sense rom. I'll need someone to test it for me.
Virtuous Unity! Only cuz I want a mytouch skinless sense 3.0 experience, I miss the customizable lock screen.
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I'll test any thing my g2 is still my dd I would love to see core droid or cm7 and o can throw a few bucks at any dev willing to put the effort in I tried a core droid port it failed ....thanks
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I would love to see MIUI just as much as I'd love to see a CM7 Rom. In Fact, I'd be willing to donate the most to a MIUI Port.
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Same here! A miui port would be awesome
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Same here! A miui port would be awesome
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MIUI IS TRUTH! It's beast on the myt4g and would be on this phone as well
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i want cyanogen mod 7 WITH the camera
make it happen i'll donate 50$ to the cause
MIUI I never tried it but it would be totally awesome.
Im going to be trying my hand at a port. Idk wat rom to do tho...
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Virtuous Unity!
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I second this one....Put $10 toward it!
Coming from a Tilt 2 I am a noob on Android ROMs, would someone be kind enough to give me a brief explanation of these ROMs while we are waiting for development.
Thanks!
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I second this one....Put $10 toward it!
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I've got another $20 for Virtuous Unity! Everyone who wants AOSP will change their mind when they realize how awesome the Unity ROM is with stock sense 3.0!
PLEASE Virtuous team! Hear our cry!
P.S. Thanks pmcqueen for this thread! Hopefully we can get the ball rolling on something soon! There's a whole thread full of willing testers right here!
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Coming from a Tilt 2 I am a noob on Android ROMs, would someone be kind enough to give me a brief explanation of these ROMs while we are waiting for development.
Thanks!
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Cyanogenmod is a basic, bare-bones version of android with some customizations:
http://cyanogenmod.com/
MIUI is an iphone-ish looking UI that runs really smooth and fast and a lot of people love it:
http://miuiandroid.com/
Virtuous Unity is my personal favorite and is a simplified version of sense 3.0 (what we have on the phone right now) with a customizable lockscreen and some other options that would make this phone WAY better:
http://www.virtuousrom.com/p/unity_23.html
The 2.1/3.0 hybrid is a little older version of sense with some tidbits added in from sense 3.0. Probably wouldn't make much "sense" on this phone (pun intended) since we have dual-core processors and already run sense 3.0 on the stock ROM...
Thanks unclespoon.
Given that summary, it looks like Virtuous is gonna be our best ROM if we wanna hold onto the camera app that came with the phone.
Honestly, I don't know much about it as my experiences in this department are limited to flavors of CM7, coming from the Nook Color as my first and only other android device.
I know when Cyanogenmod eventually gets ported to this device I'll be giving it a go and I registered over at CM forums to keep up with it.
I'm running low on play money with all I've put towards this device so far, but i'd be happy to toss a few bucks towards CM, and if Virtuous is what it seems it'll be like then them as well.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1143177
You're right, it's the best solution for this phone, especially if we want to maintain the camera app. People can run ADW launcher or launcher pro if they want it to look and feel like AOSP, and with overclocking on this device it will run as fast as anyone could ever want it to.
Thanks for that - I was using the XDA premium app to respond while I was out, and somehow lost the last paragraph of what I said asking for the link and stating I was out testing gps stuff on the phone.
It's kinda hard using it sometimes, because it doesn't let me see what i'm responding to like typing on a real computer does while i'm working with a thread, but it's still far and away better then using the browsers on the phone to go through forums.
Hey guys,
My name is Josh. I am currently an active member over in the G2/Desire Z forums, however, I am now moving onto the MyTouch 4G Slide. I was recently offered one as a replacement for my G2 (as it has reached it's EoL.) I have read a lot of people saying not to make the change but I feel that it's time I move onto something with a faster cpu and more ram, plus, it's free. (I really want full sense 3.0 or Sense 3.5 like I am running on my G2) Now, the only thing I am regretting is that I will have to give up my lovely sense 3.5 and beats audio for a dulled down version of Sense 3.0. What I am getting to is... I want to learn as much as I can before my phone arrives on Monday and I would potentially like to move into the development world of the MT4GS. What is the status on current roms? I see that Unity works and that is exciting, however, I know it has many bugs. How can I work with you guys and the current devs to get this show on the road?
Read all the Blue6IX posts and guides.
His rom is outstanding!
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Well.... One of our *arguably* best next to kornyone(I can't say I agree or disagree because blue is doing amazing work) but definitely most active on here was banned for something xda felt worthy of a ban. . .
Anyways if you want to work with ALL the developers you'll want to talk to ZombieDog about working with him on Virtuous Unity fixed up.... He's working on giving all the problems.
He's over on the RootzWiki forums!
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Thanks guys for the responses, I CAN'T WAIT for unity. I already miss it on my G2 and I am still using it! Lol. Personally I would love to port the RCMix3D Sense 3.5 Runnymede rom. (What I have on my G2 now.) It is SO perfect and everything that I want in a rom.
I'll head on over to rootzwiki now. Thanks again for the info.
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Thanks guys for the responses, I CAN'T WAIT for unity. I already miss it on my G2 and I am still using it! Lol. Personally I would love to port the RCMix3D Sense 3.5 Runnymede rom. (What I have on my G2 now.) It is SO perfect and everything that I want in a rom.
I'll head on over to rootzwiki now. Thanks again for the info.
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No worries, you might check out zombie dogs sense roms as well as blue's bulletproof here. There both awesome, I'm debating whether or not to play around with it blue s
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Josh - can't wait until you get your device - you'll love it.
Eagerly looking forward to another developers works in support of this awesome piece of tech!
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Blue6IX said:
Josh - can't wait until you get your device - you'll love it.
Eagerly looking forward to another developers works in support of this awesome piece of tech!
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I feel like its been said so much, and I'm one if the newer users of this device... patients is a virtue I guess.
Btw Josh: THIS GUYS AMAZING ^^^^^
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Another thing, since I am able to grab another few minutes to log in - you mentioned losing beats audio coming to this device.
I don't really know what it is, haven't read up on it or used it, but if you are interested in trying to port it to this device i'd be down for helping you do that.
That you have it, have it working on your current model phone and are familiar with it's use makes a world of difference - I know some people around here would love to see a project like that happen.
Feel free to get ahold of me if something like that interests you.
I'm happy to help with anything I can, so if you have any dev questions or want help getting oriented with the device once it's in your hands don't hesitate to ask - I'm sure you'll get up to speed on the particulars and quirks of the device pretty quickly either way.
Once ICS is ported back to the device, having devs interested in Sense is going to be important in my estimation - so I'm glad to see other people keeping it on their radar.
Check out Droidmoder's sticky at the top of the General section for a good reference to some of the threads you should read through.
Catch ya later
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Daiskei said:
Thanks guys for the responses, I CAN'T WAIT for unity. I already miss it on my G2 and I am still using it! Lol. Personally I would love to port the RCMix3D Sense 3.5 Runnymede rom. (What I have on my G2 now.) It is SO perfect and everything that I want in a rom.
I'll head on over to rootzwiki now. Thanks again for the info.
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Welcome! 3.5 sounds like a great thing to have!
Btw, is htc and tmo planning on releasing 3.5? I guess we would have seen a leaked beta already if so...
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Another thing, since I am able to grab another few minutes to log in - you mentioned losing beats audio coming to this device.
I don't really know what it is, haven't read up on it or used it, but if you are interested in trying to port it to this device i'd be down for helping you do that.
That you have it, have it working on your current model phone and are familiar with it's use makes a world of difference - I know some people around here would love to see a project like that happen.
Feel free to get ahold of me if something like that interests you.
I'm happy to help with anything I can, so if you have any dev questions or want help getting oriented with the device once it's in your hands don't hesitate to ask - I'm sure you'll get up to speed on the particulars and quirks of the device pretty quickly either way.
Once ICS is ported back to the device, having devs interested in Sense is going to be important in my estimation - so I'm glad to see other people keeping it on their radar.
Check out Droidmoder's sticky at the top of the General section for a good reference to some of the threads you should read through.
Catch ya later
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Heya Blue6ix,
Good too hear from ya! It's great that this post has gotten so many awesome responses. Once I get my device, I'll get it rooted right away and start getting familiar with it. As far as beats audio goes, have you ever heard of Beats by Dr. Dre? The Headphones. They're pretty expensive. Lol. Anyway, basically... the Sensation XL came with Sense 3.5 and audio software for enhancing the beats headphones that came with it. Over in the G2 forums, the beats audio has been ported back to Sense 3.0 and is stock in all of the 3.5 roms.
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Heya Blue6ix,
Good too hear from ya! It's great that this post has gotten so many awesome responses. Once I get my device, I'll get it rooted right away and start getting familiar with it. As far as beats audio goes, have you ever heard of Beats by Dr. Dre? The Headphones. They're pretty expensive. Lol. Anyway, basically... the Sensation XL came with Sense 3.5 and audio software for enhancing the beats headphones that came with it. Over in the G2 forums, the beats audio has been ported back to Sense 3.0 and is stock in all of the 3.5 roms.
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I don't know much about Beats - but I do know in the sensation forums they found the program code that tells the system the right headphones are plugged in, and figured out how to make it work for any headphones ... but that's pretty much all I know.
From what you are saying, it sounds like we could make this happen if there is interest in it. Not trying to push you into anything, but you said you were using it so it was something I thought worth mentioning.
I might actually recommend that you play with it for a few days before you root it - it's nice to know what it was like when it came stock, so you have an idea of what you are trying to keep and not.
If you want to dive into AOSP and focus on that, it doesn't matter what it came with - but if you want to develop stuff for Sense... the MySense that's on this device isn't really like other versions of Sense. Might wanna just have an idea of what it was like and what you want to change.
Take care, i'll be diving back into developing stuff tonight and don't forsee any other big breaks like yesterday and today in the near future.
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Thanks guys for the responses, I CAN'T WAIT for unity. I already miss it on my G2 and I am still using it! Lol. Personally I would love to port the RCMix3D Sense 3.5 Runnymede rom. (What I have on my G2 now.) It is SO perfect and everything that I want in a rom.
I'll head on over to rootzwiki now. Thanks again for the info.
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Well we need someone to make a compatible Kernel...i think someone already had the ROM but without a compatible Kernel it won't boot...as much as Blue has been bowed he has done nothing much but change the dulled sense ROM...Undead does have a ICS hybrid and an AOSP....and Kornyone has an Alpha of CM7 but never released any fixes or stable kernel...I personally regret getting the slide...I was hoping I could of gotten the Sensation on my latest warranty exchange...there is just not much happening here...it's sad....it appears the physical keyboard phones are all DOA anymore in the dev world.
*ps* and I am in no way doubting any devs ability....just mostly what we have is either buggy or nothing much more than themed mysense....:
Lol - that is mostly accurate.
Short of tracing back ip addresses and showing up at someone's house to chain them to a computer until they produce something instead of just consuming... I don't know what else I can do to encourage people to dev for the device past documenting what I'm doing and how.
That's why I am excited to see someone else coming in with the intention of making something.
There is a lot more happening in Bulletproof then simple theming, though graphics is something I am spending time on at the moment.
I downloaded the 4.0.3 ICS release yesterday, as I'm sure a lot of others have as well. I don't intend to port it to this device at this time, but I am looking through the source code to familiarize myself with it.
I just am not interested in losing tv-out, the biggest problem with any AOSP build on this device.
I don't quite understand how a community built and maintained by developers has so many people with this device but no one really releasing anything - every time I log in the first thing I do is check the dev section to see if some crazy software package was released that wasn't talked about until release day.
The hardware that this device has is pretty impressive, the capabilities it offers are equally so, and as we keep making it faster and more efficient someone else will throw their hat in the ring... as the OP is intending .o
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Lol - that is mostly accurate.
Short of tracing back ip addresses and showing up at someone's house to chain them to a computer until they produce something instead of just consuming... I don't know what else I can do to encourage people to dev for the device past documenting what I'm doing and how.
That's why I am excited to see someone else coming in with the intention of making something.
There is a lot more happening in Bulletproof then simple theming, though graphics is something I am spending time on at the moment.
I downloaded the 4.0.3 ICS release yesterday, as I'm sure a lot of others have as well. I don't intend to port it to this device at this time, but I am looking through the source code to familiarize myself with it.
I just am not interested in losing tv-out, the biggest problem with any AOSP build on this device.
I don't quite understand how a community built and maintained by developers has so many people with this device but no one really releasing anything - every time I log in the first thing I do is check the dev section to see if some crazy software package was released that wasn't talked about until release day.
The hardware that this device has is pretty impressive, the capabilities it offers are equally so, and as we keep making it faster and more efficient someone else will throw their hat in the ring... as the OP is intending .o
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Honestly Blue my guess is there are very few who can figure out the kernel side of dual core....without new functioning kernels there is not much that can be done here....i know there has been 2 sense 3.5 roms die for the same reason...well if you count Afinity 3....there is no compatible kernel....in fact the ONLY semi close to stable kernel is stock....wow who would of thought in a real of devs that would be the truth of things...if we had some actual coders here that could build a kernel we could see...3.5, real stable cm7 and possibly speed up cm9...MIUI (although why someone wants to turn their Android to an Iphone escapes me....maybe we all need to work on Kernel development....my mind is a little to straight forward to code fault tolerances and such...such...but I really think this is the major hold back here....do you agree Blue?...
I honestly hadn't read that far into it all.
I am taking my time trying to reach a community consensus on Bulletproof being bug free, stable and fast so I can get back into building kernels - I am trying to methodically answer everyone's call for overclock and undervolt before moving on to fix some things I feel are more important with kernel code.
Bulletproof is very specifically being designed as a shell to test kernels in, anything else people find use for it is just a bonus.
Is a lack of stable, working kernels really the issue?
I've already compiled a few kernels over the last 3 weeks and have been doing some general testing on my end privately - do you and others feel my time would be better spent focusing on that more fully, instead of trying to write tutorials on how to dev ROM stuff?
I could have Bulletproof ready for preliminary testing by mid-week and probably start pumping out the series of overclock kernels I described a while ago in Roman's kernel thread by next weekend.
If others are willing to sit down to build and support ROMs, I could drop everything else and focus on supplying kernels ( at the expense of as-yet unwritten tutorials).
I said before, and still am interested in working with other devs to supply them with kernels.
If splitting the load and me doing that while others handled the ROM side of it will speed up or increase development for the device, I'm down.
I never had any real-life computer friends, half the people I call friend off-line don't even own a computer, so my whole life if I wanted something to happen I had to do it myself or it didn't happen. I am equally capable of doing just about any aspect of dev, the pieces I'm missing I pick up quick because of my general range of knowledge.
I thought hammering out a stable ROM was where I should be focusing my attention, so I've been taking my time to do so. You can track my dev work on this phone all the way back, starting with the app reference...into the GPS work...and so on forward as doing what was needed most at the time.
If focusing my time on writing kernels and supplying other devs with working, stable kernels cooked up on a request basis for functionality will allow other devs to produce ROM choices - I'll be happy to do so.
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Don't mean to hijack your thread, Daiskei, but I suppose this does help and tie in to your announcement of coming over here to dev with/for us.
I am not familiar with your work, am new to Android, and the MT4GS is my first smart phone ( second device ). Would me focusing more fully on kernels allow you to spend time developing ROMs?
Help me help you, how can we work best together to accomplish more in less time?
I prefer quality to speed - but efficiency increases speed without a reduction in quality.
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The one problem with kernel development is you can't decompile it and see how it works or what's been done - so you basically have to know what you are doing and start from scratch. That's why we had to wait for source from HTC.
I can handle this side of it if that's what's needed, I can manage the complicated task of dual core, and am willing to work with anyone who wants to build on it.
The idea of working pretty strictly on kernels appeals to me - so let me know and that's what I'll do.
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Blue6IX said:
The one problem with kernel development is you can't decompile it and see how it works or what's been done - so you basically have to know what you are doing and start from scratch. That's why we had to wait for source from HTC.
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Actually, I think the biggest problem with kernel development is you can't really test it unless it's on a device. Or, at least, that's my opinion.
If you're talking about building the stock linux kernel, it's very easy to build one and test it on a PC. If something goes wrong, it's pretty easy to grab the physical hardware and see where the fault lies. It's just not as easy to pull a HD and look at logs on a phone.
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Actually, I think the biggest problem with kernel development is you can't really test it unless it's on a device. Or, at least, that's my opinion.
If you're talking about building the stock linux kernel, it's very easy to build one and test it on a PC. If something goes wrong, it's pretty easy to grab the physical hardware and see where the fault lies. It's just not as easy to pull a HD and look at logs on a phone.
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Touche -
Assuming one has a device, though, they basically have to start with HTC kernel source and work up from there - you would have to edit in your own changes.
The only other option would be to find a repo to sync with where someone has built a kernel for the device and uploaded their changes pre-compile. I don't know anyone who has a public repo with modified kernel sources for this device specifically.
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The idea of working pretty strictly on kernels appeals to me - so let me know and that's what I'll do.
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That's honestly what we need IMHO. You can do whatever possible to a ROM, until out device has a nice kernel for it, the roms will all be virtually the same.
With the right kernel on my mt4g I could pull 30 hours of stock battery use. Still stock clock, it's just coded right. Thanks to TheDerekJay. You should pm him I'm sure he'll be glad to assist any question you might have... He's simply AMAZING
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Thanks, that's helpful.
I know enough where the learning curve isn't too steep, I can compile and have working kernels when i'm done & have previous CPU clock experience and worked with dual-core theory in the past - but i'm picking it all up as I go.
So far people have been happy with what i've been submitting for public consumption, confirming my progress in learning Android, but like I said - picking it all up as I go so any resources or people willing to help or offer advice are always welcome.
I'll track that dev down once I get my focus brought around to kernels and that becomes my life, so I can actually make use of any help he may be willing to give and not waste his time with frivolous or easily answered questions.
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I just doubled the RAM in my laptop a few days ago. It's about two years old, but when I bought it I bought a second stick of RAM I never added to it. I figured i'd use it until it really needed it, but now that i've been compiling things on it the more the merrier - been having some issues with it that have evaporated since I did that a few days ago.
I was gearing up for kernels anyway, but now i'm thinking i'll make that my primary focus and let all else mostly fall to the wayside except supporting any problems that crop up in my ROM.
Looks like tonight is going to be all math review and C coding refreshment.
I really can't wait to see Kernel from you, I know you'll do it right which is the best part
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I've got a question. I posed this question in a different thread, but thought that it'd spark an interesting discussion for T-Mobile customers.
HTC announced that they won't be releasing ICS until late March, but what about T-Mobile?
Do I have to wait until HTC releases ICS to T-Mobile, and then wait until T-Mobile decides to release ICS to the public via OTA?
That would really suck if we have to wait even more time for T-Mobile to bloat the crap out of ICS when HTC releases ICS in late March
EDIT:
Since people have interpreted my post incorrectly, here's a quick statement to address the issue -
You guys misunderstood me. Let me make this clear:
I am not bashing custom ROMs. I am not bashing developers. I know that devs put a lot of time and effort to bring custom ROMs to XDA members, and I greatly appreciate that.
I am not saying that an OTA update will be far superior to a custom ROM.
I choose not to root my phone and install a custom ROM because I have issues following directions. Inevitably, I would screw something up and have a phone with limited capabilities. I can't risk that happening to me, because my job requires me to have a fully functional phone 24/7.
I apologize if you guys took my post the wrong way. In no way did I mean any disrespect to XDA or developers of custom ROMs.
first off why are you waiting ics is out now
second yes tmob sprint att vr will always bloat it up with there stuff like wifi calling and there crap so ota is off by a few eeeks or months UNLESS YOU COME HERE look is dev section for ics cant miss it
craven667 said:
first off why are you waiting ics is out now
second yes tmob sprint att vr will always bloat it up with there stuff like wifi calling and there crap so ota is off by a few eeeks or months UNLESS YOU COME HERE look is dev section for ics cant miss it
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You think I'm stupid or something? I KNOW that ICS custom ROMs are available right now.
I purposely choose not to install a custom ROM due to the countless issues that people report. I need a stable phone and my job requires me to have a functioning phone 24/7. I can't test out custom ROMs for that reason.
I'm waiting for ICS over OTA.
Last time HTC promised an OTA for the Sensation 4G (2.3.4), they were on time. I think they're probably working with T-Mobile to deliver it by March.
Well I think so to man .... All this help help **** I keep seeing after someone flashes a new Rom is getting old that's what u get for ****ing with the OS ... On the phone people should just wait for the real HTC ice cream ....
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For custom ROM's on ICS, they are perfectly stable now, many hundreds of users are happy using them as daily drivers.
For T-Mobile, we alread have WiFi calling perfectly functional (which is lucky because T-Mobile havent updated their app since 2.3.4) so if you want to waste time waiting for OTA, that is up to you but you won't get anything a custom ROM doesn't already give you
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ufokid22 said:
Well I think so to man .... All this help help **** I keep seeing after someone flashes a new Rom is getting old that's what u get for ****ing with the OS ... On the phone people should just wait for the real HTC ice cream ....
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That's a bit harsh and too much of a generalization. I'd be willing to bet money most of the "help help ****" you refer to is mainly because some people don't take the time to read the directions carefully before trying things out. I'm a bit paranoid myself and tend to read things over several times before trying something new. If you want to wait for the OTA that's your choice, just remember you don't get to complain about how long it takes
I am a T-Mobile USA user and I use ARHD http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=14192842&postcount=4 With no issues. My browser works, my GPS works, my email works, my camera /camcorder works, my WIFI calling works... please actually test a rom before you make a statement on how they don't work and you want a "stable" phone. All you have to do is make a backup of your current stock rom and flash a custom rom on your day off...
Most of custom sense roms are more stable than stock. The devs here have eliminated almost all the issues that HTC created. Custom roms are faster, have better battery life and make our phones work as they should. The majority of those people that complain and ask for help about stuff that they broke are lazy and dont take the time to read the instructions or even search for an answer! So you have to try something to judge it. The devs put a lot of time and effort on that builts and they do it for free!
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leftheodo said:
Most of custom sense roms are more stable than stock. The devs here have eliminated almost all the issues that HTC created. Custom roms are faster, have better battery life and make our phones work as they should. The majority of those people that complain and ask for help about stuff that they broke are lazy and dont take the time to read the instructions or even search for an answer! So you have to try something to judge it. The devs put a lot of time and effort on that builts and they do it for free!
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It's really happening that people just ask without even searching. Most of them ask about common issues and it's impossible not to find an answer in a thread like ARHD 6.2.1 which has literally 5000+ pages of posts in it.
ufokid22 said:
Well I think so to man .... All this help help **** I keep seeing after someone flashes a new Rom is getting old that's what u get for ****ing with the OS ... On the phone people should just wait for the real HTC ice cream ....
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I *kinda* see where you're coming from there.
The thing is, people have the right to "**** with the OS" all they want since they paid a premium for the phone but some people flash ROMs without taking risks into account and then ***** about problems without trying to search for solutions in the forums but the way you put it was kind of elitist if you ask me.
dgenx210 said:
It's really happening that people just ask without even searching. Most of them ask about common issues and it's impossible not to find an answer in a thread like ARHD 6.2.1 which has literally 5000+ pages of posts in it.
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Most of the issues in mike's ROM have been fixed by other's but mike doesnt update his ROM often so people are still posting about crap that has been solved.
Solution: dont always assume mike's ROM is the best, hunt around and find a different ROM you like
http://www.tmonews.com/2012/02/htc-talks-ice-cream-sandwich-upgrade-on-facebook/
Take a look there....sensation 4g users should be getting ICS before the end of march
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LPChris47 said:
You think I'm stupid or something? I KNOW that ICS custom ROMs are available right now.
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I don't want to sound crude, but if you know that ICS roms are available now, wouldn't you know that HTCs official RUU will be made into countless roms on this forum as soon as it's available?
I don't understand your question.
In all likely hood once HTC releases it most chefs would work from that. I don't know why they would need to wait for Tmobile just to cook a ROM based off of HTC source. The only useful thing you'd probably get from Tmobile is just radio info and maybe wifi calling if they make any changes.
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Whoa whoa whoa!
You guys misunderstood me. Let me make this clear:
I am not bashing custom ROMs. I am not bashing developers. I know that devs put a lot of time and effort to bring custom ROMs to XDA members, and I greatly appreciate that.
I am not saying that an OTA update will be far superior to a custom ROM.
I choose not to root my phone and install a custom ROM because I have issues following directions. Inevitably, I would screw something up and have a phone with limited capabilities. I can't risk that happening to me, because my job requires me to have a fully functional phone 24/7.
I apologize if you guys took my post the wrong way. In no way did I mean any disrespect to XDA or developers of custom ROMs.
LPChris47 said:
Whoa whoa whoa!
You guys misunderstood me. Let me make this clear:
I am not bashing custom ROMs. I am not bashing developers. I know that devs put a lot of time and effort to bring custom ROMs to XDA members, and I greatly appreciate that.
I am not saying that an OTA update will be far superior to a custom ROM.
I choose not to root my phone and install a custom ROM because I have issues following directions. Inevitably, I would screw something up and have a phone with limited capabilities. I can't risk that happening to me, because my job requires me to have a fully functional phone 24/7.
I apologize if you guys took my post the wrong way. In no way did I mean any disrespect to XDA or developers of custom ROMs.
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so if you don't plan on rooting your device.....WHY DID YOU JOIN XDA? LOL
nccu_eagles said:
so if you don't plan on rooting your device.....WHY DID YOU JOIN XDA? LOL
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I've not rooted my phone and have no intentions to root, does that mean I shouldn't be here either....?
nccu_eagles said:
so if you don't plan on rooting your device.....WHY DID YOU JOIN XDA? LOL
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He could of just joined XDA to gain some of the latest "Sensation 4g" news, maybe he's rooted other phones in the past, maybe he just likes to read upon development and he will eventually root and install a custom rom once he feels comfortable.
There's many reasons to be a member of XDA without a rooted phone. Many websites get their news from XDA first and then post it on their website. Why not just get the news directly from the source (XDA)?
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LPChris47 said:
Whoa whoa whoa!
You guys misunderstood me. Let me make this clear:
I am not bashing custom ROMs. I am not bashing developers. I know that devs put a lot of time and effort to bring custom ROMs to XDA members, and I greatly appreciate that.
I am not saying that an OTA update will be far superior to a custom ROM.
I choose not to root my phone and install a custom ROM because I have issues following directions. Inevitably, I would screw something up and have a phone with limited capabilities. I can't risk that happening to me, because my job requires me to have a fully functional phone 24/7.
I apologize if you guys took my post the wrong way. In no way did I mean any disrespect to XDA or developers of custom ROMs.
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I definitely get where your coming from. It takes time to get a custom ROM, flash it, and set up the home screens, and then realize you doing like htc locations being selected as default over Google maps, and then you have to search and find out how to change that. Once the official is out, you can just root, remove bloat you don't like,and not waste too much time. To each his own, that's the beauty of android, you can prefer to use it the way it comes, or get it cooked
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donwhann said:
I've not rooted my phone and have no intentions to root, does that mean I shouldn't be here either....?
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Again like OP, it's your phone it's your choice on what to do with it. Seeing that you've already made close to a thousand posts, why leave now?
Hi everybody!
Maybe I can seem really annoying but, since we're waiting for kernel 3, cannot devs focus on CM7 or miui in order to let camera record videos?
I think it is a good idea and it won't oblige anybody to upgrade to ics if they simply dont want! (for example I dont like the "speed" of ics and prefer gb actually)
I hope this tread will mean something for someone
Regards.
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Siso93 said:
Hi everybody!
Maybe I can seem really annoying but, since we're waiting for kernel 3, cannot devs focus on CM7 or miui in order to let camera record videos?
I think it is a good idea and it won't oblige anybody to upgrade to ics if they simply dont want! (for example I dont like the "speed" of ics and prefer gb actually)
I hope this tread will mean something for someone
Regards.
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That's a nice thought there. CM9 still has a lot of bugs in it and there is still a lot of work to be done. The ICS roms need kernel 3.x as you know and hillbeast is doing great. It I have been following the kernel 3.x development thread and it seems that hillbeast would have a the device booting soon. For devs like dhiru it would be too tedious to work on CM7 as he is already working on CM9 and the kernel. CM9 is pretty smooth and the camera occasionally force closes.
Yes I do agree with you when you say users should not be pushed to use ICS. Hope cm7 finds devs working on the camera.
CM9 is the future.. It will take the same effort to fix bugs on CM7 as on CM9..
Asking a dev to work on CM7 with CM9 development at its current state is pretty unnecessary, and I don't think any dev would even be interested. Why would anybody work on something that's supposed to be fizzing out..
As dhiru said,working on CM7 is double works for him.He is also busy with his life now.And yes,who don't want a fully complete rom? But developers are human like we too.You cannot say that now they are waiting for kernel 3.0,therefore they have time now. No, they need to spend time to their friends, family, their study etc..Lastly, the most important is they work for the community with no salary. We should appreciate their work rather than keep demand to them.
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As dhiru said,working on CM7 is double works for him.He is also busy with his life now.And yes,who don't want a fully complete rom? But developers are human like we too.You cannot say that now they are waiting for kernel 3.0,therefore they have time now. No, they need to spend time to their friends, family, their study etc..Lastly, the most important is they work for the community with no salary. We should appreciate their work rather than keep demand to them.
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so you think that once kernel 3.0 will be out, they don't have any kind of "life"?
i said that, it's a good choice to complete cm7 and this period of "tranquillity" is the best one, since it's "freer" than once kernel out.
Siso93 said:
Hi everybody!
Maybe I can seem really annoying but, since we're waiting for kernel 3, cannot devs focus on CM7 or miui in order to let camera record videos?
I think it is a good idea and it won't oblige anybody to upgrade to ics if they simply dont want! (for example I dont like the "speed" of ics and prefer gb actually)
I hope this tread will mean something for someone
Regards.
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+1 all the way for u man ! i honestly thought of this before and even asked dhiru and hes completely into ics development, so thats a no . anyways its wonderful having him work on ics i wish sum1 fixes those in cm7
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+1 all the way for u man ! i honestly thought of this before and even asked dhiru and hes completely into ics development, so thats a no . anyways its wonderful having him work on ics i wish sum1 fixes those in cm7
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getting a fully stable aosp rom is like a dream which will never come true for us. I know I am saying in a very negative way but its a fact guys that we have very few developers who also want some help from other top developers of other community who are damn busy with their development & they even dont know that a phone whose name is "galaxy SL" exist in mobile world. My friends also said me many times that they know galaxy s, s2, s3, ace & many more phones but they haven't heared anything about galaxy SL phone.
Its all about plenty of developers needed for good development which we are lacing from 1st day of release of this phone. I am emotinally attached with this phone & our community members, developers & thats why I use my phone with full of interest Otherwise I would have sold it so many days ago.
Regarding cm7, cm9, miui or any aosp rom I will only say this much that if any develoer will make hd video recording working then just within a week we will get official cm7, cm9...etc. But in my opinion it will never happen. We have to always live with a phone having good aosp rom but with lots bugs....ALWAYS...!
Agree with the essence of this topic.
We, i9003 users, don't have a custom ROM, that is bugfree.
I am willing to donate to whoever would spend time and effort to make "video recording" work on a custom ROM. Again, I'm not a developer and am not sure if this is even possible. I used to be a good c and java programmer about 12 years ago, but haven't been coding since then.
On the other hand, I'm also willing to wait for kernel 3 and make sure we have the latest stuff for our phones.
JMHO
I honestly think OP is right. We need to have a Rom that is bugfree. That way, many people won't feel bad going back to those stock ROMs which are nothing but a headache being slow and awful to work with and to look at. Most people just want a bugfree AOSP ROM.
On another note, it will be a pain for the devs (Dhiru), who promised us CM9. Nobody wants to do those things which they weren't supposed to. It will also be a pain for the community to donate a device to another dev. Seeing the chance of the Sense 4.0 donation request from many people, i don't think there are so many people in this community who can make it up for donating 2 phones in really short intervals, or at similar time.
And for the blow, Jellybean 4.1 is gonna be here anytime. SDK (And Sources too, i think) will be released today (Remember, first CM9 started with SDK builds), and update will be pushed to phones such as Nexus and Galaxy S3 in Mid July. So now, should the devs should still concentrate on fixing GB bugs? Or should the fix the CM9 bugs first? Or should they start porting Jellybean?
Just my POV.
I guess pushing for jellybean would be pushing too far(unless a dev dares to differ). I'll be content with a bugfree ICS ROM.
vishal24387 said:
getting a fully stable aosp rom is like a dream which will never come true for us. I know I am saying in a very negative way but its a fact guys that we have very few developers who also want some help from other top developers of other community who are damn busy with their development & they even dont know that a phone whose name is "galaxy SL" exist in mobile world. My friends also said me many times that they know galaxy s, s2, s3, ace & many more phones but they haven't heared anything about galaxy SL phone.
Its all about plenty of developers needed for good development which we are lacing from 1st day of release of this phone. I am emotinally attached with this phone & our community members, developers & thats why I use my phone with full of interest Otherwise I would have sold it so many days ago.
Regarding cm7, cm9, miui or any aosp rom I will only say this much that if any develoer will make hd video recording working then just within a week we will get official cm7, cm9...etc. But in my opinion it will never happen. We have to always live with a phone having good aosp rom but with lots bugs....ALWAYS...!
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That's so negative.
CM9 is nearly bug free, (Except current known bugs), so no it's not a dream..
I kinda agree with OP, but not only hllbeast is working on kernel 3.x, dhiru and crack(-can't remember) are working on it too, so they're not "free".
Skander1998 said:
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That's so negative.
CM9 is nearly bug free, (Except current known bugs), so no it's not a dream..
I kinda agree with OP, but not only hllbeast is working on kernel 3.x, dhiru and crack(-can't remember) are working on it too, so they're not "free".
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Sorry for my negative thinking but I have seen development of this device from very start & I am pretty disappointed with it. Anyway if I become wrong in future & if my dream come true then I'll be the most happiest person on earth
vishal24387 said:
Sorry for my negative thinking but I have seen development of this device from very start & I am pretty disappointed with it. Anyway if I become wrong in future & if my dream come true then I'll be the most happiest person on earth
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I think it will come true, the number of developers increased, that can be only good
Skander1998 said:
I think it will come true, the number of developers increased, that can be only good
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agree with skander here...the number if devs have increased a lot since the cm7 days
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CM7 bugs could be a very little one... But if no developer does anything we cannot do anything.
Gb is very very very good for our phone and without 3.0 ics is pretty unstable...
If developers can do CM7 why spend time with ics that needs 3.0?
First finish CM7 then, once kernel out, ics!
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Siso93 said:
CM7 bugs could be a very little one... But if no developer does anything we cannot do anything.
Gb is very very very good for our phone and without 3.0 ics is pretty unstable...
If developers can do CM7 why spend time with ics that needs 3.0?
First finish CM7 then, once kernel out, ics!
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"Once kernel out"
Lol, who is developing the kernel? developers, and everyone not only hillbeast, so they're busy already.
Just wait don't be a pain in the ars.
Siso93 said:
CM7 bugs could be a very little one... But if no developer does anything we cannot do anything.
Gb is very very very good for our phone and without 3.0 ics is pretty unstable...
If developers can do CM7 why spend time with ics that needs 3.0?
First finish CM7 then, once kernel out, ics!
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Developers here, do this development for the sheer excitement of it, not for money.
I can see people are very excited about CM9 and ICS. Developers are people too, and do what excites them or what feels like a challenge.
It's quite similar to what happens when you get a new phone. I had a nokia E63, which i used to love and did use/try every feature/app for that phone. But, I rarely do anything except make phone calls from that device now. All my excitement is for my first android 9003.
Just an analogy to explain why excitement has died. Hope it makes sense.