not entirely sure whats the difference between the two?
kyhassen said:
not entirely sure whats the difference between the two?
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I'm a sense guy,so not much exp. with cm. My foggy memory believes that cm7(rc for release canidate) is ready for everyday use public consumption. Nightlies are built by(here's where my memory goes! Gimme a break I'm old!) a bot which fixes and changes things,which may or may not break other things. That about the extent of my knowledge on this. The experts on this should be on they're way. lol
I'm no expert but the cm7 stable is android 2.3.3 the cm7 rc-1 is 2.3.4 the latest nightlies are 2.3.5.. I recommend the nightlies, they are more stable in many ways than the stable version of.. The latest is #179
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This is standard software development stuff.
"Nightlies" are like alpha level software containing the absolute latest bug fixes and new features for an existing program with little or no testing outside of the developers. Whether the various features and fixes are compiled by a daemon or not is irrelevant. Some nightlies are very stable with few bugs, some are bug riddled garbage. I'm currently using the CM7 nightly from 9-1, and I've found it to be very stable and only had one or two small issues.
The experimental releases are release candidates, which is just a friendly term for a late stage beta. Generally, they may contain more bugs than what should be released, but the developers released them into the wild because they believed the to be close to ready for release and needed more people would test them.
A Stable version is just that, stable. It has been extensively tested and either has no bugs, or has only minor bugs that have all been well documented.
Which should you use?
You've got a few sensible options.
a. Stick to stable releases. You'll miss out on the latest and greatest developments, but your shift will be as stable and reliable as possible.
b. Install every nightly as they come out. (they don't actually come out every night, we haven't had a new one since 9-1) If you get a bad one, which happens, just roll back to the last one that worked for you. You will spend a lot of time messing with your phone and will have to deal with bugs, but you'll always get to try out the latest and greatest. Just be sure that when you have bugs, you share useful bug reports with the developers.
c. Start with the stable. If you find there are things broken that you don't want to miss, go through the changelogs and forums to find a more or less stable nightly that has what you're missing and move to it. Stay there until there's another stable release.
wow thank you guys for the usefull information. I'm normally a sense rom guy so this is kinda a new ball game for me. I decided to go with this due to I hear its way faster and has more space .
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What is the purpose of a nightly (high frequency of updates) build?
I'm currently using AmeriCanAndroid AOSP HD2 GB233 CM7, but used to use HD2ONE v3.6.
Apart from rapid updates, why not just release something monthly that might not have as many bugs as the nightly release? HD2ONE seemed stable enough, less the bluetooth, but a good deal of updates form AmiCanAndroid seem to need special tweaking.
I'm not entirely new here. I've been using android on my HD2 for a while and pretty much understand how to get myself up and running. So I'm trying to post for access to the developers forum, but with some legitimate questions here in the Q&A...
Nightly builds are just a progression of the development process from one Release Candidate to the next. It's a way of incorporating and then testing new fixes and features as they become available.
I realise that the alpha/beta of ICS has been released but why is it there is no development on 2.3 roms at the moment. Sure people want to have the best ICS rom but seriously I am sick of the constant crashes and "this application isnt supported by your device" on the Android market.
Hopefully the developers focus on the actual stable roms and not silly pre-releases.
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I realise that the alpha/beta of ICS has been released but why is it there is no development on 2.3 roms at the moment. Sure people want to have the best ICS rom but seriously I am sick of the constant crashes and "this application isnt supported by your device" on the Android market.
Hopefully the developers focus on the actual stable roms and not silly pre-releases.
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To each his own! I completely disagree, I don't understand what you're asking for, 2.3 roms seem good to go and stable as it is. What else do you want done? Also, I for one don't consider it "silly" pre-releases. Even though ICS has yet to be complete it's far better than what GB has been for me. ICS is also the one that needs some work on, hence the crashes and stuff (I don't experience any at all). If GB is working without crashes and is STABLE, what updates are you looking for? If it's working great, then you don't need to update! Although there are some apps which are yet compatible, it doesn't affect users such as myself.
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I realise that the alpha/beta of ICS has been released but why is it there is no development on 2.3 roms at the moment. Sure people want to have the best ICS rom but seriously I am sick of the constant crashes and "this application isnt supported by your device" on the Android market.
Hopefully the developers focus on the actual stable roms and not silly pre-releases.
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Considering I haven't experienced a single crash on Baad's InsertCoin ICS ROM, I have no idea what you are talking about. I suppose one could also question why the Windows Mobile and Palm ROM development forums haven't seen much action...what more is there to do to working stable ROMs? Or better yet, why bother
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To each his own! I completely disagree, I don't understand what you're asking for, 2.3 roms seem good to go and stable as it is. What else do you want done?
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Speaking for myself, I'd like a stable (i.e. not alpha) release of CM7 for my new Sensation. I agree with the OP, if the CM devs are blocked waiting for HTC to release ICS, why not polish off a stable CM7 release? I'm in the process of pulling down source to see if I can help. I'm an embedded Linux developer during the day, but being new to android development and only having one phone (and a wife and kids), I'm not expecting anything but getting my feet wet by the time ICS comes out on this phone. I'm grateful that CM exists, just wish there was a non-alpha mod for my new phone.
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Speaking for myself, I'd like a stable (i.e. not alpha) release of CM7 for my new Sensation. I agree with the OP, if the CM devs are blocked waiting for HTC to release ICS, why not polish off a stable CM7 release?
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Well I guess they did not want to waste time polishing CM7, where in 1-2 months time, everyone will be expecting them to release CM9 for sensation. Let's say they release a super stable CM7 by the end of Feb, people will be using it for only a month before switching to CM9. Might as well wait for ICS.
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Well I guess they did not want to waste time polishing CM7, where in 1-2 months time, everyone will be expecting them to release CM9 for sensation. Let's say they release a super stable CM7 by the end of Feb, people will be using it for only a month before switching to CM9. Might as well wait for ICS.
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Speaking for myself again, I'd prefer to use a solid CM7 until CM9 is just as stable. It was more than 1-2 months before CM7 stable enough to put on my MT4G. But I understand it is the culture here to regularly flash new stuff, even if there's no good reason to, and I'm not knocking that, I've done it too. Which is why I'm either returning this phone for a SGS2, or getting to work on my own (wow, 4.5 hours to sync the CM GB repo!).
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Which is why I'm either returning this phone for a SGS2, or getting to work on my own (wow, 4.5 hours to sync the CM GB repo!).
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While waiting for the CM code to sync, I went over to htcdev.com and clicked their comments link to "Tell HTCdev what YOU want". I explained that I would like full source code for my HTC phone like LG and Samsung provide for their phones (at least the diffs from the open source code). I didn't really expect to get it, and was not surprised when the reply was no - they only release the Linux kernel source because they're bound to by license. But it made me realize that I had purchased the wrong phone. So I returned it. I was pleasantly surprised to find that the SGS2 is quite functional and performant out of the box, and the source easily available from Samsung. So long HTC...
Just a quick question. The stable CM10 for our vzd2w devices is dated for 11-13-2012. I feel I should know this, but I am wondering, are the nightlies, say, for today, 12-08 more stable than the stable candidate released almost a month ago?
Is that the point of nightlies? To fix bugs and improve anything on previous candidates?
Do nightlies sometimes present with new issues/bugs?
Again, I know I should know this, but I NEED clarification as a search of any kind leads me to the nightly download site or ROMs based on the nightly releases. These questions are not addressed.
Thanks for your replies!!
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Just a quick question. The stable CM10 for our vzd2w devices is dated for 11-13-2012. I feel I should know this, but I am wondering, are the nightlies, say, for today, 12-08 more stable than the stable candidate released almost a month ago?
Is that the point of nightlies? To fix bugs and improve anything on previous candidates?
Do nightlies sometimes present with new issues/bugs?
Again, I know I should know this, but I NEED clarification as a search of any kind leads me to the nightly download site or ROMs based on the nightly releases. These questions are not addressed.
Thanks for your replies!!
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In general the nightlies are completely usable. They are used as a means for the cm10 team to test new features, and attempt to squash bugs. With software development when changes are made it is not uncommon for new and unforseen bugs to arise, its sort of a game of cat and mouse. Because of this, every so often things that had worked fine previously become broken in one nightly and are then promptly fixed in the next. For the last month or more the cm10 nightly builds have suffered from a host of bluetooth, microphone, nfc, and screen wake issues that seem to vary in severity from one nightly to the next. Some of these problems have been found to have flashable fixes, others do not. For many, myself included, this is the simply the price of being on the cutting edge of Android development. If this doesn't sound appealing then perhaps the stable builds are the way to go. Keep in mind that although the stable builds tend to be more reliable, they do have their fair share of bugs and glitches, some of which have since been sorted out on the nightlies. Either way cm10 is a far slicker experience than touchwiz, and in my opinion, the way to go. Just an fyi, I have dirty flashed one nightly to the next without incident, and if thats the route you decide to go it could save you some time.
i think stable is better... nightlies can work or not, so hit and miss....
I have personally never had a problem with the CM10 nightlies, and I have been using them for a couple of weeks now. But your experience may vary depending on your setup.
Good rule of thumb is if you're not prepared to deal with any issues that could arise then stick with stable. I always seem to have a few builds on my SD card and a titanium backup in case things really go sideways on me.
It depends on what your priorities are with this phone. For example the same 11/10 nightly was the last one without the bluetooth low bass bug, but but the 12/06 and newer nightlies have improved data drops for a bunch of people. If you rely on mobile data a lot the 12/08 nightly might be the one for you to try, but if you do a lot of bluetooth streaming then maybe the 11/10 nightly would work best for you.
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I switch from ICS to CM10 nightlies, which was for the most part a great daily driver. Then I flashed the new Jellybean leak and battery life was great (50% more than CM10) but I lost bluetooth. Last CM10 I used was in mid October. Has the battery life improved in the last 2 months?
So.. Yesterday rc1 was posted and today there is a new nightly... So.. Is rc1 now out of date or does it contain all the goodness of 05_09? And what about future nightlies and rc1? Will there be rc2, rc3 etc as more nightlies are released?
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RC1 is the first release candidate. The nightlies are still experimental and could be unstable. There might be an RC2, but it could also end up that there won't be another RC and that it will be released as the Stable version. I don't think anyone has a real answer to that.
Stay with the stable release
Nightlies are everyday or every compilation progress reports. If something goes wrong it is easily traceable by the nightlies released almost daily to pinpoint the source of the change that caused the issue and go back and take a look at it. That is how various developers from all across the world are able to contribute to the same code, and stay on track.
They also have a changelog associated with them which tells you exactly what changed between the newly released one and the older one.
Release candidate is a milestone. They might have 2 or 3 planned before the actual “stable release” but it all depends on the allocation of their time and resources. They might not get to perfecting everything the way certain developers want it and when the time comes for the final release it might just jump from RC1 to a stable release with nothing in between but nightlies. And you will still see a couple of nightlies after a stable release too.
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OK so my last thread got closed because the mods didn't want it turning into a 'this is the best' fight. So I'm not asking that, I simply want to know what KitKat Roms are available that are stable builds, looking in the development forum all I see are nightly Roms and I don't want to be installing updates every day.
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OK so my last thread got closed because the mods didn't want it turning into a 'this is the best' fight. So I'm not asking that, I simply want to know what KitKat Roms are available that are stable builds, looking in the development forum all I see are nightly Roms and I don't want to be installing updates every day.
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From my understanding they all on nightly. At least i haven't seen one thread posted as STABLE. And ive tried different Kk roms. And for some ppl wasn't stable and for others was a DD worthy. I suggest reading them post to see wat catches ur eye. I know thats not the answer u want. But front me thats the best i can give. Try LS Beanstalk SOKP SlimKat Gummi.
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You do not have to install nightly roms everyday. If one nightly is running "smoothly," leave it alone for a short bit until there some major bug fix, new features added, etc., or when rom starting to act up.
The only one I've seen so far that's claimed to be "Stable" is SlimKat: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2400577. Actually it looks like they just released a new stable version yesterday for our phone, Build 5.
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The only one I've seen so far that's claimed to be "Stable" is SlimKat: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2400577. Actually it looks like they just released a new stable version yesterday for our phone, Build 5.
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I agree with this about slim. It's a very stable ROM. There are however, alternatives. I'd suggest you try a few and see which ROM's have the best combination of features and stability for you. I've been a huge fan of slim for quite some time now, but recently, I've been running Nameless ROM. I've ran a nightly from the first of the month, and since then have had only one instance where the phone randomly rebooted. In fact, that's the only time I've rebooted it. LOL. For me it has the features I'm looking for without having to resort to using the Xposed framework. I have nothing against Xposed, it's always worked great for me, but I just prefer to have features baked in if at all possible.
I'm sure there's a ton of other good roms too, many people like Gummy, Beanstalk, Paranoid, PACMAN (can't think of the exact name), and GideonX's builds of various roms (check them out at droidhype.net), liquid, Carbon, and other's are nice too. Many have too many featues for me, and some have not enough or lack what I'm looking for.
So again, Try a few and see what YOU like. That's the best answer I can give. I doubt that many are "stable", but they've been stable enough for me. As I mentioned with Nameless, they're not labeled as stable, and nightlies are just that, nightlies, but you'll find that most nightlies are "stable"
Also, what others consider stable may not be what you consider stable as that standard can be very subjective.
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I've been using Mastamoon's 4.4 for a few weeks now and it's been pretty damn stable for me. I'm a few days behind on updating nightly so that I don't run into any bugs, but I was happy with his 4.3 ROM back in the day and his 4.4 is turning out just as good.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2569769