Just a quick question. The stable CM10 for our vzd2w devices is dated for 11-13-2012. I feel I should know this, but I am wondering, are the nightlies, say, for today, 12-08 more stable than the stable candidate released almost a month ago?
Is that the point of nightlies? To fix bugs and improve anything on previous candidates?
Do nightlies sometimes present with new issues/bugs?
Again, I know I should know this, but I NEED clarification as a search of any kind leads me to the nightly download site or ROMs based on the nightly releases. These questions are not addressed.
Thanks for your replies!!
tcsheen said:
Just a quick question. The stable CM10 for our vzd2w devices is dated for 11-13-2012. I feel I should know this, but I am wondering, are the nightlies, say, for today, 12-08 more stable than the stable candidate released almost a month ago?
Is that the point of nightlies? To fix bugs and improve anything on previous candidates?
Do nightlies sometimes present with new issues/bugs?
Again, I know I should know this, but I NEED clarification as a search of any kind leads me to the nightly download site or ROMs based on the nightly releases. These questions are not addressed.
Thanks for your replies!!
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In general the nightlies are completely usable. They are used as a means for the cm10 team to test new features, and attempt to squash bugs. With software development when changes are made it is not uncommon for new and unforseen bugs to arise, its sort of a game of cat and mouse. Because of this, every so often things that had worked fine previously become broken in one nightly and are then promptly fixed in the next. For the last month or more the cm10 nightly builds have suffered from a host of bluetooth, microphone, nfc, and screen wake issues that seem to vary in severity from one nightly to the next. Some of these problems have been found to have flashable fixes, others do not. For many, myself included, this is the simply the price of being on the cutting edge of Android development. If this doesn't sound appealing then perhaps the stable builds are the way to go. Keep in mind that although the stable builds tend to be more reliable, they do have their fair share of bugs and glitches, some of which have since been sorted out on the nightlies. Either way cm10 is a far slicker experience than touchwiz, and in my opinion, the way to go. Just an fyi, I have dirty flashed one nightly to the next without incident, and if thats the route you decide to go it could save you some time.
i think stable is better... nightlies can work or not, so hit and miss....
I have personally never had a problem with the CM10 nightlies, and I have been using them for a couple of weeks now. But your experience may vary depending on your setup.
Good rule of thumb is if you're not prepared to deal with any issues that could arise then stick with stable. I always seem to have a few builds on my SD card and a titanium backup in case things really go sideways on me.
It depends on what your priorities are with this phone. For example the same 11/10 nightly was the last one without the bluetooth low bass bug, but but the 12/06 and newer nightlies have improved data drops for a bunch of people. If you rely on mobile data a lot the 12/08 nightly might be the one for you to try, but if you do a lot of bluetooth streaming then maybe the 11/10 nightly would work best for you.
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I switch from ICS to CM10 nightlies, which was for the most part a great daily driver. Then I flashed the new Jellybean leak and battery life was great (50% more than CM10) but I lost bluetooth. Last CM10 I used was in mid October. Has the battery life improved in the last 2 months?
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What is the purpose of a nightly (high frequency of updates) build?
I'm currently using AmeriCanAndroid AOSP HD2 GB233 CM7, but used to use HD2ONE v3.6.
Apart from rapid updates, why not just release something monthly that might not have as many bugs as the nightly release? HD2ONE seemed stable enough, less the bluetooth, but a good deal of updates form AmiCanAndroid seem to need special tweaking.
I'm not entirely new here. I've been using android on my HD2 for a while and pretty much understand how to get myself up and running. So I'm trying to post for access to the developers forum, but with some legitimate questions here in the Q&A...
Nightly builds are just a progression of the development process from one Release Candidate to the next. It's a way of incorporating and then testing new fixes and features as they become available.
not entirely sure whats the difference between the two?
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not entirely sure whats the difference between the two?
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I'm a sense guy,so not much exp. with cm. My foggy memory believes that cm7(rc for release canidate) is ready for everyday use public consumption. Nightlies are built by(here's where my memory goes! Gimme a break I'm old!) a bot which fixes and changes things,which may or may not break other things. That about the extent of my knowledge on this. The experts on this should be on they're way. lol
I'm no expert but the cm7 stable is android 2.3.3 the cm7 rc-1 is 2.3.4 the latest nightlies are 2.3.5.. I recommend the nightlies, they are more stable in many ways than the stable version of.. The latest is #179
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This is standard software development stuff.
"Nightlies" are like alpha level software containing the absolute latest bug fixes and new features for an existing program with little or no testing outside of the developers. Whether the various features and fixes are compiled by a daemon or not is irrelevant. Some nightlies are very stable with few bugs, some are bug riddled garbage. I'm currently using the CM7 nightly from 9-1, and I've found it to be very stable and only had one or two small issues.
The experimental releases are release candidates, which is just a friendly term for a late stage beta. Generally, they may contain more bugs than what should be released, but the developers released them into the wild because they believed the to be close to ready for release and needed more people would test them.
A Stable version is just that, stable. It has been extensively tested and either has no bugs, or has only minor bugs that have all been well documented.
Which should you use?
You've got a few sensible options.
a. Stick to stable releases. You'll miss out on the latest and greatest developments, but your shift will be as stable and reliable as possible.
b. Install every nightly as they come out. (they don't actually come out every night, we haven't had a new one since 9-1) If you get a bad one, which happens, just roll back to the last one that worked for you. You will spend a lot of time messing with your phone and will have to deal with bugs, but you'll always get to try out the latest and greatest. Just be sure that when you have bugs, you share useful bug reports with the developers.
c. Start with the stable. If you find there are things broken that you don't want to miss, go through the changelogs and forums to find a more or less stable nightly that has what you're missing and move to it. Stay there until there's another stable release.
wow thank you guys for the usefull information. I'm normally a sense rom guy so this is kinda a new ball game for me. I decided to go with this due to I hear its way faster and has more space .
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I've been wanting to give an aosp based Rom a try onthis phone. My main concern is stability and battery life. I know battery life is more of a kernel issue so I will address that later on. I've noticed some roms in original developement don't even specify which android version there based on, but which is currently most stable and 4.2? I need lte calls/sms/mms and camera to be working.
I'm basically looking for what has the LEAST issues. Has any developers gotten past the screen tearing yet?
And I know there are probably 100 of these threads, but none are current
the official cm10.1 by h8rift will usually be the most stable, as a lot of the other ones are based on that (i think). you should basically look for the most recently updated one. that'll have the newest features and latest bugfixes.
you can't go wrong with a bpear ROM, that guy is awesome and has released some of my favorite ROMs for this phone. link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2212825
he always updates them quickly and squashes all major bugs. that one is new so it may have some bugs, but i'm sure they won't be there for long. then once he fixes them, you won't have to delete everything and clean wipe and all that, you'll just have to flash over it with the new one.
bugs vary from phone to phone, so the only real way to figure out what you like is to flash them and check
they are all pretty stable other then known issues. screen tearing is a general issue with 4.2.x roms that use cm10.1 as a base. i would say try liquidsmooth, aokp, or carbon bpear96 aosp build.
Running liquidsmooth Stable and its great. Using it as a daily driver.
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they are all pretty stable other then known issues. screen tearing is a general issue with 4.2.x roms that use cm10.1 as a base. i would say try liquidsmooth, aokp, or carbon bpear96 aosp build.
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Running official 10.1 nightly with vz oc linaro kernel and disable HW overlays on I get ZERO tearing. I put it at standard clock speeds to and its great and very stable. Only time it freezes is every once in a great while after a phone call. Other than that I'm extremely happy.
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I'm running the Bpear CarbonRom 1.6 source build, underclocked to 1134mhz and still running smooth and stable.
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my personal experience
the most stable tend to be the ones that are more popular/bigger like CM 10.1, AOKP, etc.. at least in my experience. Though I personally love jellybam. I highly recommend it especially if you're a person who loves great audio. Though the only kernel that would work it is Rohan's beta as far as I know
There is no "most stable" ROM. Everyone uses their phone differently, and your mileage can and will vary. Same thing with battery life (and probably has as much, if not more to do with other factors, such as your geographic location and radio).
Its easy to look through the ROM threads to see what specific issues people have, known bugs, etc. Aside from that, just pick some that look like they fill your needs/preferences and try them out.
Since every device handles software a little differently, you need to try it out for yourself and see if you like it. Thats the beauty of XDA, you get to try it out yourself and see if YOU like it.
So since everyone has different options, Im going to close this before it becomes a BEST ROM THREAD... and we dont allow those.
Hi all,
I first installed cm-10.1.3-xt897 since it is the latest stable release on CyanogenMod official xt897 downloads page. My main reasons for using CM are stockness and customization, and stability is a must so I generally stick to the stable releases.
However, cm-10.1.3-xt897 seems to suffer from frequent freezes lasting 5-10 seconds in landscape mode (unless HW overlays were disabled). So I decided to try cm-10.2-20131102-SNAPSHOT-M1 instead, and it seems to have resolved that specific issue, and I haven't encountered any other serious issues affecting my usage patterns with it.
Now, I had expected that my next upgrade would be to cm-10.2 stable, but I've noticed that no RCs or stables have been released for xt897, and the nightlies have jumped to CM11. Is a cm-10.2 stable release still a possibility?
If not, what is the reasoning for that? For me cm-10.2(M1) seems to work much better than the current stable release (CM 10.1.3), so it doesn't seem to make sense to not release a stable CM 10.2. Unless of course there are notable regressions from CM 10.1.3 that I'm just not seeing in my use? (I haven't seen anything in the CM10.2 dev thread, though, but I admit I may have missed it.) Thankfully it is not a huge loss for me, though, as M1 works fine, so I can just continue using it for now.
And if cm-10.2 xt897 stable is still planned, I apologise for my hastiness. (I would have expected nightlies to remain on 10.2 until such a release.)
In any case thanks to all the devs working on this, good to have a qwerty android phone running a decent firmware
As far as I have seen, CM has stated they are done developing 10.2 as of 12/5. I don't remember exactly what the difference is between a monthly snapshot and stable, but for my experience with CM since version 7, they don't mean a lot. I've seen issues with "stable" releases and and rock solid nightlies. I'm currently running the skrilax 11/29 nightly and its great. There are apparently still some issues with CM11 so i'm holding off on that for a while.
OK so my last thread got closed because the mods didn't want it turning into a 'this is the best' fight. So I'm not asking that, I simply want to know what KitKat Roms are available that are stable builds, looking in the development forum all I see are nightly Roms and I don't want to be installing updates every day.
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OK so my last thread got closed because the mods didn't want it turning into a 'this is the best' fight. So I'm not asking that, I simply want to know what KitKat Roms are available that are stable builds, looking in the development forum all I see are nightly Roms and I don't want to be installing updates every day.
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From my understanding they all on nightly. At least i haven't seen one thread posted as STABLE. And ive tried different Kk roms. And for some ppl wasn't stable and for others was a DD worthy. I suggest reading them post to see wat catches ur eye. I know thats not the answer u want. But front me thats the best i can give. Try LS Beanstalk SOKP SlimKat Gummi.
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You do not have to install nightly roms everyday. If one nightly is running "smoothly," leave it alone for a short bit until there some major bug fix, new features added, etc., or when rom starting to act up.
The only one I've seen so far that's claimed to be "Stable" is SlimKat: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2400577. Actually it looks like they just released a new stable version yesterday for our phone, Build 5.
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The only one I've seen so far that's claimed to be "Stable" is SlimKat: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2400577. Actually it looks like they just released a new stable version yesterday for our phone, Build 5.
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I agree with this about slim. It's a very stable ROM. There are however, alternatives. I'd suggest you try a few and see which ROM's have the best combination of features and stability for you. I've been a huge fan of slim for quite some time now, but recently, I've been running Nameless ROM. I've ran a nightly from the first of the month, and since then have had only one instance where the phone randomly rebooted. In fact, that's the only time I've rebooted it. LOL. For me it has the features I'm looking for without having to resort to using the Xposed framework. I have nothing against Xposed, it's always worked great for me, but I just prefer to have features baked in if at all possible.
I'm sure there's a ton of other good roms too, many people like Gummy, Beanstalk, Paranoid, PACMAN (can't think of the exact name), and GideonX's builds of various roms (check them out at droidhype.net), liquid, Carbon, and other's are nice too. Many have too many featues for me, and some have not enough or lack what I'm looking for.
So again, Try a few and see what YOU like. That's the best answer I can give. I doubt that many are "stable", but they've been stable enough for me. As I mentioned with Nameless, they're not labeled as stable, and nightlies are just that, nightlies, but you'll find that most nightlies are "stable"
Also, what others consider stable may not be what you consider stable as that standard can be very subjective.
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I've been using Mastamoon's 4.4 for a few weeks now and it's been pretty damn stable for me. I'm a few days behind on updating nightly so that I don't run into any bugs, but I was happy with his 4.3 ROM back in the day and his 4.4 is turning out just as good.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2569769