[Q] how can i overclock a windows phone 7 device - Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Can someone tell me if i can overclock my windows phone device ?

nooooooooooooooooooooooooot yet

What is the use of overclocking Windows phones? Wp OS is damn fast.

Extreme boy said:
What is the use of overclocking Windows phones? Wp OS is damn fast.
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i agree but there will always people like this... first they ask how to overclock, then they'll get the answer which is obviously no for the time being and they get all pissy and ***** about how android is better... bla bla bla.....

Extreme boy said:
What is the use of overclocking Windows phones? Wp OS is damn fast.
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To make playing games a more fluid experience, for one.

Underclocking is what i need
.. yeah, i need underclocking, not overclocking. Because when NAVIGON is running on my Omnia 7, it gets damned hot and sucks out the battery, even when connected to external power.

Extreme boy said:
What is the use of overclocking Windows phones? Wp OS is damn fast.
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i agree but i think wp7 has more potential than oder os out there

underclocking
the OS is very fast, i've the problem that the phone is too hot and it shutdown byself.
i see ther's some rom with hack speed cpu. Ther's no app to underclock?

u dont have to overclock if u are using a a phone using nand storage ( eg. LG samsung). It is already fast enough
overclocking will only drain the battery...
But hoever no one has managed to do it yet although it has been achieved in win mobile but i am sure its very possible because win mobile can overclock & underclock just by installing a couple of apps
setcpu, leocpu apps ect
if someone can port them over to winphone , that will be great
well u can do a few changes to the registry to speed up the OS if u are using a phone like Hd7 which uses sdcard for storage. these tweaks will give u a speed and response like 1.5Ghz wp 7 phones
3 of them
Disable d2d hardware acceleration for Internet explorer
This wll disable certain features of hardware acceleration in IE9 and swith to CPU rendering saving some battery life in web surfing and also faster more fluid graphics
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\software\Microsoft\windows\INTE RNET explorer\main\feature control/Feature Render with 2D/ (set Dword to 0)
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curre ntVersion\Internet Settings
Value name: MaxConnectionsPer1_0Server
Value data: 32
Value Name: MaxConnectionsPerServer
Value data: 16
this will speed up overall loading of graphics in the OS
\HKLM\System\GDI\GLYPHCACHE\limit=1048576
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speedyburnzales said:
.. yeah, i need underclocking, not overclocking. Because when NAVIGON is running on my Omnia 7, it gets damned hot and sucks out the battery, even when connected to external power.
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Underclock from 1 GHZ to 800 mhz will be fine .. 20% gain in battery life

Potential potential, i keep hearing about it......forget it, i have a 3 year old desire, released with 2.1, got 2.2, 2.3, 4.0 and now work being alpha release of 4.1 jelly been.
A Samsung focus 1st gen, with 4 incremental updates which basically give you nothing new, just what Microsoft forgot to add.....
And no development.....
What's the use of potential if i can't get any features of normal smartphones......never gonna buy a wp phone EVER
regards
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Yasir Javed Ansari said:
Potential potential, i keep hearing about it......forget it, i have a 3 year old desire, released with 2.1, got 2.2, 2.3, 4.0 and now work being alpha release of 4.1 jelly been.
A Samsung focus 1st gen, with 4 incremental updates which basically give you nothing new, just what Microsoft forgot to add.....
And no development.....
What's the use of potential if i can't get any features of normal smartphones......never gonna buy a wp phone EVER
regards
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So you came here just to tell us that? Cool, thank you for your input. Please come again.

Yasir Javed Ansari said:
Potential potential, i keep hearing about it......forget it, i have a 3 year old desire, released with 2.1, got 2.2, 2.3, 4.0 and now work being alpha release of 4.1 jelly been.
A Samsung focus 1st gen, with 4 incremental updates which basically give you nothing new, just what Microsoft forgot to add.....
And no development.....
What's the use of potential if i can't get any features of normal smartphones......never gonna buy a wp phone EVER
regards
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Bye bye, you wont be missed haha :silly:

Keefo said:
Bye bye, you wont be missed haha :silly:
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Vented my frustration actually, but still, i did expect more development for this OS then what's been actually done....
Maybe you guys don't agree and are satisfied with it....
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Yasir Javed Ansari said:
Vented my frustration actually, but still, i did expect more development for this OS then what's been actually done....
Maybe you guys don't agree and are satisfied with it....
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You see, the situation is this, you choose an OS that by its very nature is buggy, slow and in need of constant tweaking and modding, and that's fine, I used to be the same, id mod the significantly more moddable WM every other week.
But many of us have moved on, we want a phone that is just that, a phone, you pick it up and it works. I think its a perfectly valid statement to say that out of the box, WP IS a much better PHONE and contact (social/work) centre then iOS or Android, you will note the "out of the box" by that I mean, you don't need to install anything extra
Now its all down to personal preference, what's odd about your comment is that, very rarely do you see us going over to another forum that your not actively participating in and then drop comments like that which by its own nature will wind people up, its a little bit disrespectful to be honest.
Ive had WM WP and various Androids on mu HD2 and suffice to say, android will never grace its NAND again, not because its not any good, but because for my needs, WP is significantly better than anything else, I don't need to mod it, I don't want to mod it, I just want it to work

dazza9075 said:
You see, the situation is this, you choose an OS that by its very nature is buggy, slow and in need of constant tweaking and modding, and that's fine, I used to be the same, id mod the significantly more moddable WM every other week.
But many of us have moved on, we want a phone that is just that, a phone, you pick it up and it works. I think its a perfectly valid statement to say that out of the box, WP IS a much better PHONE and contact (social/work) centre then iOS or Android, you will note the "out of the box" by that I mean, you don't need to install anything extra
Now its all down to personal preference, what's odd about your comment is that, very rarely do you see us going over to another forum that your not actively participating in and then drop comments like that which by its own nature will wind people up, its a little bit disrespectful to be honest.
Ive had WM WP and various Androids on mu HD2 and suffice to say, android will never grace its NAND again, not because its not any good, but because for my needs, WP is significantly better than anything else, I don't need to mod it, I don't want to mod it, I just want it to work
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Reply appreciated , I'm just trying to work out both of my phones.....maybe I'll understand the wp7 mentality with time.... It really is down to simple preferences......wp7 has much better integration then others out of box, but marketplace is very poor, dont you agree ? I mean the YouTube app is just a link to mobile website......maybe it needs more time....
Anyways....I'm off .
Regards
Yasir
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I like android and I like IOS and windows phone. I like apples and oranges and banana's. I treat each fruit as what they are a different fruit. You wont see me running around a hate apples they don't taste like oranges. lol

Yasir Javed Ansari said:
Reply appreciated , I'm just trying to work out both of my phones.....maybe I'll understand the wp7 mentality with time.... It really is down to simple preferences......wp7 has much better integration then others out of box, but marketplace is very poor, dont you agree ? I mean the YouTube app is just a link to mobile website......maybe it needs more time....
Anyways....I'm off .
Regards
Yasir
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The marketplace is very poor?
Again that depends on your needs, at this moment in time I have about half a dozen apps installed, I cant think of anything else I want on it, so from my perspective the market place is actually perfect.
I don't have a need to install dozens upon dozens of apps, I don't need 1000 different torch apps. There are two reasons for this, firstly I simply have no need for anything else at the moment, secondly I refuse to get tied in to a marketplace, buys stacks of apps, then forever feel I am chained to that OS forever because moving would essentially mean throwing away all the apps I've already purchased and potentially buying them again.
Tell me, lets say over the course of you OS choice, you spend £50 on apps, then all of a sudden your world is rocked to its bones when the "Enemy" releases an OS version that actually suites your needs better than your Current OS, would you take the phone that is better for you and throw away £50 or would at the very least feel compelled to stay with your current OS choice and make do.
Don't be so quick to answer that, I can promise you at the very least the argument will crop up in your mind, when in fact there should be no argument at all, the phone that does what you need it to do the best IS the best choice...

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tired of this

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Can I have it?
First off you are in the wrong section
Second, I personally love my android phones. I don't exactly know why you are having speed issues... have you tried cursorsence? I installed it yesterday and I love it. There should be an overclock app in the market that could increase performance. Past that I'm not too sure of the problem.
If you're using MyHero you might as well sell your phone to someone smarter.
Im tired of thinking there are people like you in the world that think everything they want is the way it is. Spoiled little brats like yourself who know nothing of anything outside your little world where your handed everything in life or you cry and make everyone aware of it so you get the attention.
So.. your tired of not knowing what your doing when everyone else seems tobe fine? Well, were tired of people like you coming into our forums to whine about things that make no sense and to demand things completely outlandish.
Noone here is here for YOU. So please.. I beg you, find a new hobby, because this one seems a bit to high out of your reach. Maybe try coloring books?
Oh.. and you say the touch keyboards are so slow... You do understand that "predictive text" doesnt mean it knows what you are going to type before you do right? lol
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I do wish my magic was as fast as an iphone, but I think it is a little slower is because of multitasking and the keyboard is slow at times
ichijin said:
I do wish my magic was as fast as an iphone, but I think it is a little slower is because of multitasking and the keyboard is slow at times
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Try SuperD 1.6 or 1.4
aotiko said:
@crypysmoker
How exactly is the world tired of people who don't like overrated products? Maybe the world is tired of people like you who love mediocrity. It is literally impossible for you people to not have speed issues. Every single person here has complained about it so dont make it seem like you "figured it all out". Even brand new android phones are reviewed as slow. And having the solution to root your phone to make it at a tolerable speed isnt acceptable for buying a phone for $500.
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What he means is no body force you to get this device.
If there is something else you like better go get it and leave this place.
I don't even want to begin guessing what "Even brand new android phones are reviewed as slow" means. Because if you're reffering to the Droid and Nexus One you could not be ANY FARTHER from the truth.
You have no facts, you say rooting is the only way to speed up a phone which is clearly wrong.
Why would people want to rip you a new one. You're a troll.
I agree in some way with you aotiko, fortunately my magic only cost's me 170€ without any contract otherwise for 500$ i had gone for an iphone.
typing some times is reallt slow, i'm on the snd word and the android is still writing the first (i'm now using the 2.1 and it is much better).
multi touch sucks, multi tasking is horrible because everything gets slower! (this was on my original 1.5, 2.1 i'm using since today so I still don't have an opinion)
keyboard is not as precise as iphone is (better on 2.0 too, the vibrate on is working much better).
battery life isn't worst but it is not good.
And what bugs me is that apple with a cpu with same velocity as magic done a f*cking fast phone with the 3gs! even with multi tasks on after jailbreak is is much faster, and as I've said CPU have the same speed as magic!
What hct and all other brands do is just increasing cpu speed, don't worry about sW optimisation and that is not good.
It looks like what intel and AMD done in the past in the pentium generation, more cpu clock, better. And it finally come to an end when problems with heat and stuff like that appear.
In the overall I still like my magic, but I won't if i had paid 500$!
just my 2 cents
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I have an HTC Magic 32A and i'm sick of it. It's so slow I don't even like using it anymore. I try all the roms that people claim are "EXTREMELY FAST!!!" and they are STILL slow. The scrolling on text messages, in a browser, or even in menus is very jittery. Android users are always ripping on iphones how they can't multitask until you jailbreak them but people root android phones to make them usably fast which isn't even that helpful. I don't see how I can possibly be doing anything wrong. Does everyone here secretly not enjoy their phones and that's why they are always here to find a ROM that they can actually use? I tell everyone I love it but I really don't. The keyboard is always behind in typing, even in a store on a brand new phone. It really seems like Google released android in a very very very early beta stage just so they won't fall behind in market share.
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Blow it out your ass!
Seriously, this forum is literally full of satisfied Android phone owners! If you are not satisfied with your phone, talk the store that sold it to you. Stop whining here.
My two cents...
cursordroid said:
Blow it out your ass!
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I think it would be better if I sacrifice myself and take his phone, since he doesn't like it !!!
is this a 10 year old boys conversation?
it looks like one.
com one guys! people have the right to their opinion, respect that and just don't act like an asshole(s)
MMartins said:
is this a 10 year old boys conversation?
it looks like one.
com one guys! people have the right to their opinion, respect that and just don't act like an asshole(s)
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Yes people are entitled to their opinion. But when someone comes here criticizing the work of these wonderful devs and making baseless arguments. They should leave.
Get an iPhone, and don't come back here. Simple as that.
I hope you are not talking about me!
I've not critized any one's work! we have were underfull devs no doubts about that!
but people can say what do work good and don't.
Most speed problems are not related to the devs but actually to the SO.
so please read carfully before start complaining.
Is iphone perfect? NO
is android perfect? NO
as i've said I love my android but for me iphone 3gs is faster with no doubts (NOT said better)
i will try my hero rom, as my girlfriend's hero with original rom, rotates faster, zoom faster than my 2.1 eclair rom.
MMartins said:
I hope you are not talking about me!
I've not critized any one's work! we have were underfull devs no doubts about that!
but people can say what do work good and don't.
Most speed problems are not related to the devs but actually to the SO.
so please read carfully before start complaining.
Is iphone perfect? NO
is android perfect? NO
as i've said I love my android but for me iphone 3gs is faster with no doubts (NOT said better)
i will try my hero rom, as my girlfriend's hero with original rom, rotates faster, zoom faster than my 2.1 eclair rom.
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I'm not talking about you. Read the OP. Ungrateful for the for of these devs that do their work for simply donations.
i paid 200$ + 35$ activation fee and regret it everyday.
yes i have a stable and "fast" rom and i know how to use my root/sd card and all the settings, but id rather not have to go thru all the non sense.
if i could do it all over again i would have either waited for the android development to get to where we need it or just went with an iphone.
ALL this arguments just because JAVA.
BTW, iPhone processor's frequency is a bit higher.
HTC Magic is a kickass phone and I love it. It's smooth enough for me and I'm sure 2.1 will be faster.
darvo said:
BTW, iPhone processor's frequency is a bit higher.
HTC Magic is a kickass phone and I love it. It's smooth enough for me and I'm sure 2.1 will be faster.
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Yea im sure too. Cant wait for the Nexus1 to be released in Denmark though

Android on the Arrive/7 Pro

Searched, and haven't found a thread on this.
I'm due for an upgrade in July on my Sprint line, and I was almost certain I was going to go with the EVO 3D (when it comes out), but then I saw the HTC Arrive and kinda liked it. The thing is, though, that I really like Android as well. I know dual-booting Android was possible on the Touch Pro 2, so I was wondering if it's possible to do the same thing with the Arrive/7 Pro, or if having Windows Phone 7 prevents it from being able to do this. Thanks!
It cannot be done as of now.
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The HTC 7 Pro has the same SoC as HD7 and HD2, and both of them already have Android.
Why Android still can't be ported for 7 Pro?
I'm pretty sure that hardspl must be available before we can flash custom roms on our pros. More imporantly some sort of application like haret for WM6 but for WP7 would probably also need to be developed first. Hopefully some fine day it will all be possible like on the HD2.
i was looking at how they dual boot with hd2, and it looks like they boot from sdcard, and flash wp7. we shouldn't need to flash wp7, but booting android is sdcard boot. so i see no reason why we can't boot from sdcard, unless we need a special boot loader, and the boot loader they need doesn't have the access to wp7 to get the boot loader working properly and that goes beyond me please correct me if I'm wrong.
why would anyone want to put an unsecure, laggy,fragmented,built from stolen code OS like Android on a fine device such as the arrive? wp7 is leaps and bounds superior to Android and once mango arrives it will be even better. thus the need to do this isn't necessary.
eric12341 said:
why would anyone want to put an unsecure, laggy,fragmented,built from stolen code OS like Android on a fine device such as the arrive? wp7 is leaps and bounds superior to Android and once mango arrives it will be even better. thus the need to do this isn't necessary.
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Just got my Arrive from Evo. LOVE IT. My Fiance loves it aswell surprisingly and she is getting one soon :]. Atleast untill Evo 3D..
eric12341 said:
why would anyone want to put an unsecure, laggy,fragmented,built from stolen code OS like Android on a fine device such as the arrive? wp7 is leaps and bounds superior to Android and once mango arrives it will be even better. thus the need to do this isn't necessary.
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thanks for your opinion....
exilkubaner said:
thanks for your opinion....
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not an opinion,plenty of articles to back up my claims. sorry your feelings got hurt jaja.
eric12341 said:
not an opinion,plenty of articles to back up my claims. sorry your feelings got hurt jaja.
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and also many articles that say the opposite. Dont just spew out stuff and say it as fact. Other people have different preferences.
iOS is just as fragmented as Android. Only thing is that Apple controls the fragmentation so dumbass developers dont try making completely universal apps when they dont know how the hell to do that.
And fragmentation isnt an issue for consumers. Its perfectly fine. So i dont understand your bias against it unless you are a developer.
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and also many articles that say the opposite. Dont just spew out stuff and say it as fact. Other people have different preferences.
iOS is just as fragmented as Android. Only thing is that Apple controls the fragmentation so dumbass developers dont try making completely universal apps when they dont know how the hell to do that.
And fragmentation isnt an issue for consumers. Its perfectly fine. So i dont understand your bias against it unless you are a developer.
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its not fragmentation thats an issue for consumers its malware, there have been numerous reports about this already, im not an iFan either
I really don't care whether you or anyone says android is worse or better than wp7 but it would be nice to switch if one wants to. so when there is a thread discussing the possibility to port android on the 7 pro, there is no need for no-sayers, since they can occupy their brains with other stuff.
i would love to see this, but especially since there is only 1 sd-card, its either flashing one or the other i think...
Not possible on wp7 YET
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Hello all,
I am new to mobile phones and I would like to post some questions, which are general in fact, but closely related to the topic and the Arrive device.
I would like to have another OS on it and I have found a way to change the SD cart it is running with, so I should be able to change or modify it with no trouble.
I imagine that I could find another HTC device with identical hardware and deploy it's ROM to this one in a manner similar to HD2's approach. I am so new that I already can feel how dumn is that ... but still.
I need to clarify some basics in order to know what to look for. First of all what does the firmware does and how it is related to the OS. Can I imagine it is something like BIOS, which controls the main hardware like processor, ram, telephony, etc? If so what stops me of formatting the SD and booting another system from it on the same hardware.
Another thing is what the ROM contains and how it is related to the OS. I am with the impression that it has everything in it -- OS distributive, firmware backup and bootloader maybe. If that is correct am I free to cook a ROM that contains the same firmware (as I imagine it like a BIOS alternative), the bootloader of another system and its distributive? Of course the ROM that is already on the device may and most probably will try to stop me, so I will need to somehow format it.
I do not express myself too good due to lack of expertise, but I know computers and I believe you will know what to tell me to straighten my thoughts.
Thank you in advance for any information you provide.
Sincere,
drel
At this stage, pesonally, I think wp7 is the best os to me. At it is not laggy as android does and looks more beautiful than iOS...
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Up as i really need to know the answers.
Please ppl, if this is not the place to ask then guide me to where i will get some heads-up.
Thanks once again.
Drel
drelisimo said:
Up as i really need to know the answers.
Please ppl, if this is not the place to ask then guide me to where i will get some heads-up.
Thanks once again.
Drel
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just buy an Android phone!
eric12341 said:
why would anyone want to put an unsecure, laggy,fragmented,built from stolen code OS like Android on a fine device such as the arrive? wp7 is leaps and bounds superior to Android and once mango arrives it will be even better. thus the need to do this isn't necessary.
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I think what you meant to say was "Why would anyone have a different opinion than my awesome opinion?" As much as I love WP7 I'd love to be able to use Android with this chassis. Choice is always good. There is no Android phone with this keyboard.
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Bump. Having no Bluetooth SPP has just pissed me off for a year. About to get an Galaxy Nexus S come May, so I don't mind tinkering with my Arrive for now.
hello?
Any news about dual booting android on arrive / HD7 Pro? I read the thread and some users just talk crap. " Why this? Why that?" Why not, may I ask. I Love WP7, i really think that beats the crap out of everything else. But why can't we dream of having android too? As far as I know, Android has at the moment much more apps ( free and payed ones ) available than WP7. My brother-in-law has veetle ( just an example ) on his Xperia S, and he can watch live football/soccer which I can't cuz there is no veetle available. And who can name veetle, can name many others too. The point is: Combining the best of two worlds would makes fully profit from our beloved phones, which we payed ( at least I did ). I really hope that some news about this stuff.
Best Regards
Miiky

Charge with its crappy ram specs ...

Does anyone know how to cope with the problems with browser. If it is a detailed web page than it takes forever to load and it is jittery and not smooth.
I had the thunderbolt before this but didn't have this problem cause it has a lot more ram.. any ideas please.
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I really think you should get rid of the Charge. You have had nothing but bad things to say with all of your posts. Also, if you took a second to search, you would know that absolutely all of the "questions" you are asking in every post that you have had has been answered.
General questions should go to general forums.
That said I agree with the first poster, sell your Charge and buy a blackberry or something. I heard they come with lots of the rams.
+100
Go back to a flip phone. Ohhh wait, you have to flip it open to answer the call and you will not like that and then look for a forum to vent and complian. Do yourself a favor and carry a netbook & tablet. Maybe you'll will find the solution to all you see wrong with the devices you have already given up on: TB, Charge etc............
LATERS
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How much RAM?
Does anyone know exactly how much RAM it has? The stock task manager app says 328.. But I read somewhere part of the RAM was accoladed to the CPU or something..
So in total how much does it have?
why...why WHY!!!!!!! In the developments?!!!!
The only way to solve this properly is to get a Galaxy S II. Otherwise go get an iPhone, they load better because they don't support flash and so those phones don't hesitate much to load web pages because ALL they have to do is load the page and not flash stuff which makes it APPEAR that the iPhone has better browsing capabilities... but it doesn't.
Syn Ack said:
The only way to solve this properly is to get a Galaxy S II. Otherwise go get an iPhone, they load better because they don't support flash and so those phones don't hesitate much to load web pages because ALL they have to do is load the page and not flash stuff which makes it APPEAR that the iPhone has better browsing capabilities... but it doesn't.
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The difference between the iPhone and Android is that EVERY aspect of the iPhone UI has GPU acceleration, so you have the CPU and GPU work together to render everything. On Android, this isn't the case as it was meant for greater compatibility and many devices have sub-par graphics hardware. Luckily though, that is changing, so hopefully Google adds GPU tweaks/enhancements in ICS to fix this problem.
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The difference between the iPhone and Android is that EVERY aspect of the iPhone UI has GPU acceleration, so you have the CPU and GPU work together to render everything. On Android, this isn't the case as it was meant for greater compatibility and many devices have sub-par graphics hardware. Luckily though, that is changing, so hopefully Google adds GPU tweaks/enhancements in ICS to fix this problem.
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I really hope Ice Cream Sandwich brings a smooth Android experience to the level of iOS, WebOS, Windows Phone, etc. The Droid Charge hardware is capable enough to at least make it as presentable as those.
It kind of always bothered me when in video reviews of Android devices with relatively choppy scrolling/zooming in the browser the reviewer calls it "smooth" or "fast" when the hardware should be capable of being as fluid as the scrolling in competing operating systems.
On that note, can someone with a Droid Charge already tell me if the browser experience with the lagfix is similar to this or is it better/worse? It seems Samsung did some optimizations for the Galaxy S browser that make it look more fluid (but not perfect) than the standard Galaxy S browser.
I habe iphone too. Really go back to a.flip phone that's rude. I work sell.Verizon sell phones. Of course I am going to.be judgemental. I asked a simple question.. did your mom teach you anything. If you got nothing nice to.say don't say it at all. Dang!!
The only reason I put this question in the development page is maybe someine knew.some settings behind the scenes to.change.something. just like the LCD density changer. Bad a** .. next time I will.put it in the regular forums. I just maybe thought since there are people that can write Roms n make UV krnals that someone may know how to speed.up load process. My bad! !!
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Solution to browser problem!
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Install another browser app! 0-o!
Truly, the stock browser sucks, we are just starting in the grand scope of things to develop ROMS and kernels for the Charge, let alone the Android OS. If you want to compare an apple (pun intended) with a green bot, buy THE APPLE!
Download Opera
I use Opera and it works great... just like it did on my TP2, except now it has flash. It is not glitchy or sluggish at all on the Charge.
To the OP Richardzu.. people here weren't flaming you because you had a question. They were flaming you because you put a general question not related to development in this section.
I know what you mean by saying you thought a dev. may have an idea or a fix but if you have those questions, hit up the charge irc channel. Sorry I don't have a charge so I don't know what it is.
You got to admit once a section becomes 4 to 6 months old, you go in and look at the development section and there's 683 threads but only 8 of them contain any sort of work. We all have to chip in together to keep the forums clean. =)
Why on earth are people using the stock browser?! There's your first mistake.
EDIT: I've had absolutely no problems viewing the web "smoothly" using Dolphin Mini and Opera Mini.
See that is all someone had to say. I use all these damn phones all day and sucks to see such a great piece of equipment lag.
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Under browser settings-enable plugins-on demand
khanfuze said:
Under browser settings-enable plugins-on demand
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+1, greatly improves the stock browser
Syn Ack said:
The only way to solve this properly is to get a Galaxy S II. Otherwise go get an iPhone, they load better because they don't support flash and so those phones don't hesitate much to load web pages because ALL they have to do is load the page and not flash stuff which makes it APPEAR that the iPhone has better browsing capabilities... but it doesn't.
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iPhone sucks. I mean, it's a great phone, but it's so limited. Don't get an iPhone. It's got as much RAM as the Charge.
**** u opener of this forum u always say the same stupid **** move on ****in troll
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I had the thunderbolt before this but didn't have this problem cause it has a lot more ram..
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Thunderbolt isn't immune to laggy browsing with stock browser even with on-demand configured. For example, it can't cope with XDA. It was a little better on my previous Samsung Epic running Eclair 2.1.

Just want to hear what u think about wp7, and about future wp8

And i also want to see some comparisons between wp7 and other platform's
so i'm gonna begin..
I had a few android devices and now i have a Nokia lumia 710 , ..
On wp7 i like : - better looking UI
- wp has cheaper devices with good performance
- wp is more stable, and its smoother
- wp has more simple UI
On wp7 i dont like : - Not so many high graphic games like on android and ios
- Not so many applications
- The fact that allmost no one uses it
- The fact that not many roms are made for wp (and the ones that are available do not have so many features as android roms)
- U cant send anything via bluetooth (without a rom)
- U cant view folders and stuff (without a rom)
- U cant upload a video on youtube (u can wit a program like metrotube where u need to record with that program )
On Android i like : - It has many apps , and games
- u can easily root and unlock it
- when u root and unlock it u can do anything u want on it .. like overcolock it
- u will see more development on android stuff
- U have better graphics on android (but i belive wp8 will have much better graphics)
On Android i dont like : - the UI is kinda getting old and boring
-it needs stronger processors to run smoothly ( i think thats fixed with jellybean )
I never had a iOS device, but for now i can say many apps and not bad looking, TOO EXPENSIVE AND NEEDS MORE QUALITY !!!
AND I THINK WINDOWS IS A MUCH SMOOTHER AND BETTER OS FOR AVERAGE USE (like calling, texting, surfing the web, maybe play some game )
AND ANDROID IS LIKE A OS FOR PLAYING GAMES, DOWNLOADING APPS, AND HACKING IT( I MEAN LIKE OVERCLOCKING IT AND STUFF LIKE THAT )
So it would be perfect to make a os like in the mittle ( metro UI with possibilities like on android, )
AND FOR NOW IM A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR ANDROID, BUT I THINK FUTURE WP8 DEVICES WILL BE WAY BETTER THEN ANDROID
she omadoer
I agree that apple needs better quality applications as there is a lot of junk on the app store, though Windows barely has any apps!
Don't like the tiles of WP or the minimal ability to customize it, but it's good for people who want a pretty good looking UI and a smooth interface. They're definitely going to have to ramp up the app selection for it to become a viable platform.
Most new adopters buy based on recommendations, and there aren't a whole lot of people who are going to to recommend a Windows Phone.
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I agree that apple needs better quality applications as there is a lot of junk on the app store, though Windows barely has any apps!
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windows has many apps that i searched for, and the number of apps on windows is rising very fast..
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Don't like the tiles of WP or the minimal ability to customize it, but it's good for people who want a pretty good looking UI and a smooth interface. They're definitely going to have to ramp up the app selection for it to become a viable platform.
Most new adopters buy based on recommendations, and there aren't a whole lot of people who are going to to recommend a Windows Phone.
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yea in fact u cant customize anything on a wp D only wich tiles u want on the homescreen and where.. and te color of the ui ... even the roms dont have anything.. but they will add some new features in wp 7.8.. and more in 8
my brother has a samsung galaxy s3 .. and my phone runs smoother (nokia lumia 710)
Arent Windows phones for people over 65 ans soccer moms ?
I can't wait to see a luma looking phone +a huge screen + 41 MP camera that Nokia promised kind of
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yea in fact u cant customize anything on a wp D only wich tiles u want on the homescreen and where.. and te color of the ui ... even the roms dont have anything.. but they will add some new features in wp 7.8.. and more in 8
my brother has a samsung galaxy s3 .. and my phone runs smoother (nokia lumia 710)
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That would be great if I wanted live tiles, but I don't.
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I can't wait to see a luma looking phone +a huge screen + 41 MP camera that Nokia promised kind of
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Don't hold your breath. It's going to be a while before Nokia or anyone can fit a sensor with resolution like that and the required optics into a slim phone body. I can assure you they didn't put it in a thick symbian device because they thought that would help to make it a top seller.
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That would be great if I wanted live tiles, but I don't.
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Don't hold your breath. It's going to be a while before Nokia or anyone can fit a sensor with resolution like that and the required optics into a slim phone body. I can assure you they didn't put it in a thick symbian device because they thought that would help to make it a top seller.
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but u need to accept that windows looks better ..
an they put a sensor like that on the 808 pureview .. so it would be possible , and the phone is not so thick..
BUT REALLY WHO NEEDS SUCH A CAMERA.. ON A PHONE? ..(i have a 5 mpx camera and i think even 2 mpx is enouth for me )
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why do you think like that ?
windows phone is getting better and better ..
u have to try windows and then say something..
the first few days i had it i didn't like it so much .. but now i think its a bit better then android, cuz it has comfortable, good looking ui, and i don't care so much about the customization of the tiles.. and with a rom i can do everithing what i have done on my android device..
SO GIVE ME YOUR OPINION .. not something like that -.-
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I can't wait to see a lumia looking phone +a huge screen + 41 MP camera that Nokia promised kind of
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they said they will make a device with their pure view technology.. so.. ?
i think that will not be 41 mp so soon but they will have strong cameras at the begining .. probably like 15 mp
and they wil have big screens and strong processors and much ram... cant wait :crying:
41Mp? Wonder what the price point of the phone would end up being.
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41Mp? Wonder what the price point of the phone would end up being.
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The lumia pureview has 41Mpx and it is cheaper than the lumia 900.
Anyway, I find the Metro UI (or whatever it's gonna be renamed to next week) to be too simply and boring. Sure, it's refreshing initially, especially after using several android and IOS devices, but it's ultimately too simple. Admittedly, I've never owned one, and my only experience of using Lumias comes from using my friend's phone.
And besides, everyone knows that the best phone from Nokia is still the N95 8Gb
I used a Samsung Focus for a week before returning back to Android a while ago. Simply put, it was rather boring and there were no good apps available. Any good apps were way overpriced. Don't really like metro UI, too simple and barely customizable. I can see how this would appeal to others however.
It was fast and fluid for sure. But the best part about it was the keyboard. The best keyboard I have ever used on a mobile device including qwertys! It was a dream.
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why do you think like that ?
windows phone is getting better and better ..
u have to try windows and then say something..
the first few days i had it i didn't like it so much .. but now i think its a bit better then android, cuz it has comfortable, good looking ui, and i don't care so much about the customization of the tiles.. and with a rom i can do everithing what i have done on my android device..
SO GIVE ME YOUR OPINION .. not something like that -.-
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Good looking ? Rofl.
Windows phones are lame. I wouldnt use one even if it was free.
leostimac said:
but u need to accept that windows looks better ..
an they put a sensor like that on the 808 pureview .. so it would be possible , and the phone is not so thick..
BUT REALLY WHO NEEDS SUCH A CAMERA.. ON A PHONE? ..(i have a 5 mpx camera and i think even 2 mpx is enouth for me )
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WP is clean vs how Android looks stock, but it does not compare at all in terms of customization, so "u need to accept that."
As to your statement that 2MP is fine for you, you are certainly in the minority.
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The lumia pureview has 41Mpx and it is cheaper than the lumia 900.
Anyway, I find the Metro UI (or whatever it's gonna be renamed to next week) to be too simply and boring. Sure, it's refreshing initially, especially after using several android and IOS devices, but it's ultimately too simple. Admittedly, I've never owned one, and my only experience of using Lumias comes from using my friend's phone.
And besides, everyone knows that the best phone from Nokia is still the N95 8Gb
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The best phone is the 3310 .. and u really need to have a windows phone to tell if its good or bad
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WP is clean vs how Android looks stock, but it does not compare at all in terms of customization, so "u need to accept that."
As to your statement that 2MP is fine for you, you are certainly in the minority.
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yea android is better for customization .. but i dont know.. i had a android device, i loved it, had bunch of hacks and changed roms .. but i kinda like this more.. and i need all the apps, games, and hacks that i need ..
Windows phones don't respect your freedom. RMS verdict: nope.jfif.
I got b& at /a/ for sh!tposting ;_;
First I've used WP7.5 and android 4.1 a.k.a. Jelly Bean
windows maybe smooth but its ui looks boring kinda bland with no way to customize it at least not much or easy so all that windows has is smooth in there favor
Now jelly bean my first experience of it was a custom ROM and to get it to boot it had almost nothing about as many features as a windows phone and it was running tons smoother than windows (yes that is possible) and that was without butter and now I have a almost full functioning jb with butter and as long as I'm not running 10 apps in the background it runs just as smooth as my mother's Samsung focus and the app base is big and its growing faster than iPhone
So what android has
apps
Customizeablity
Fairly smooth (I'm running jelly bean on a single core 1.2Ghz processor) with only a small lag every once in a while
Settings and features galore
P.s. my mother is not happy with her windows phone she wants me to go get a gs3 and then give her my android
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[Q] iOS vs Android: the nitty gritty

So a partial spec list for the iPhone 5 was released, and it mentioned the processor being 1 GHz. Now lets assume that this is a dual core CPU, and lets also assume that there is active GPU rendering as in Android 4.0 +.
The IP4s has a dual core, 800 MHz Cortex A9, (A9 just like most modern phones). now however, if you take that 800 MHz CPU and put android onto it, we aren't going to see anything special happen.
I'm way too tired to finish this post now, but basically, I'm curious if anyone knows why iOS seems to be so much more efficient than android does.
I refuse to have this turn into the typical VS thread and will just lock it if it does. I would like this to be a discussion about the firmware (as much as we know at least) and anything technical.
please, feel free to correct me of anything i have said.
Umm, because iOS is tailored for that exact hardware?
Have you ever used a Nexus phone? Runs really damn well for the specs, because Android is tailored to those specs first and foremost.
Apple puts in lots of tricks to make the user experience of iOS a smooth one. (Example: when waiting for a web page to load and you start dragging, iOS actually stops the process of loading the page and focuses everything on your finger. Android continues to load the page).
No true multitasking to bog down RAM as well. Simple OS, simpler hardware.
Also the post above. Tailored hardware. Just look at WP7 and their single core snapdragons!
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Umm, because iOS is tailored for that exact hardware?
Have you ever used a Nexus phone? Runs really damn well for the specs, because Android is tailored to those specs first and foremost.
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Unfortunately, as I was having issues with AOKP rebooting at the time my friend got his GNex, I haven't been allowed to touch a nexus LOL
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Apple puts in lots of tricks to make the user experience of iOS a smooth one. (Example: when waiting for a web page to load and you start dragging, iOS actually stops the process of loading the page and focuses everything on your finger. Android continues to load the page).
No true multitasking to bog down RAM as well. Simple OS, simpler hardware.
Also the post above. Tailored hardware. Just look at WP7 and their single core snapdragons!
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See i thought it had to do with the dedicated hardware, with the non nexus users getting shafted.
I'm curious of things like... lags in the messaging app. I don't have that many messages (all threads are capped at 450 and 20 pics) yet I still have some bad lag on my phone.
I guess I'm curious if we can get into the reasons why some apps and processes (messaging app etc) will lag, and if there is a known way to improve the issues.
glad to see this hasn't gotten to an outright flame war yet lol
I figure it's very similar to power-to-weight ratio. Some lightweight cars with lower horsepower are much faster than 2-ton cars with massive horsepower.
The lack of multitasking alone would have a huge impact. I think that could be tested in a Rom like AOKP, by telling it to destroy the activity as soon as the user leaves it. I don't have access to an iPhone to compare to, though.
Either way, I'd rather have a heavier, more full-featured OS today requires better hardware than iOS.
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I figure it's very similar to power-to-weight ratio. Some lightweight cars with lower horsepower are much faster than 2-ton cars with massive horsepower.
The lack of multitasking alone would have a huge impact. I think that could be tested in a Rom like AOKP, by telling it to destroy the activity as soon as the user leaves it. I don't have access to an iPhone to compare to, though.
Either way, I'd rather have a heavier, more full-featured OS today requires better hardware than iOS.
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It seems that iOS has a better featured multitasking than this though... it doesn't completely destroy the task (or it seems not to)
Read here.
http://androidandme.com/2011/12/news/android-may-never-be-as-smooth-as-ios-says-ex-googler/
And
https://plus.google.com/app/plus/mp/66/#~loop:view=activity&aid=z124gl3b2o3jzx0ll220gfnhmuusu54rk04
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It seems that iOS has a better featured multitasking than this though... it doesn't completely destroy the task (or it seems not to)
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From what I've read, that depends on the task/API. iOS doesn't multitask as well as Android, certainly. Destroying all tasks on Android wouldn't be a perfect comparison, but you can see if it makes a big difference or not.
The UI rendering thing above games sense, but on my T-Mobile GSII, I don't experience any noticeable or bothersome lag. It was stable and smooth until I switched from AOKP ICS to AOKP JB. Smooth, sure, but JB is a work in progress.
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It seems that iOS has a better featured multitasking than this though... it doesn't completely destroy the task (or it seems not to)
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No, it just forces suspension within 5 seconds of all but a few special types of programs. (Which, in case you weren't sure, is neither as flexible nor good.)
See this link for information on both: http://www.extremetech.com/computing/112013-how-multitasking-works-on-android-and-ios
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The IP4s has a dual core, 800 MHz Cortex A9, (A9 just like most modern phones). now however, if you take that 800 MHz CPU and put android onto it, we aren't going to see anything special happen.
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Makes me actually wonder what would happen if you put Jellybean on comparable specs. Not enough to try looking for it, though. It's not like better hardware has not been cheaply available for some years.
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Unfortunately, as I was having issues with AOKP rebooting at the time my friend got his GNex, I haven't been allowed to touch a nexus LOL
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Ahh, you be missing out. Especially with a few of the new tricks Jellybean added to bump it up to a iOS similar experience. Although with Android being so much more advanced than iOS I still think iOS will appear a little faster. However, I'd much rather have true multitasking, open file system, and massive customization than a slightly faster phone (and honestly, we're splitting hairs at this point)
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From what I've read, that depends on the task/API. iOS doesn't multitask as well as Android, certainly. Destroying all tasks on Android wouldn't be a perfect comparison, but you can see if it makes a big difference or not.
The UI rendering thing above games sense, but on my T-Mobile GSII, I don't experience any noticeable or bothersome lag. It was stable and smooth until I switched from AOKP ICS to AOKP JB. Smooth, sure, but JB is a work in progress.
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See i run cm9 on my herc, and the lag in the keyboard and messaging app kills me. I hate tw, but im tempted to go go try evo8 just cuz tdj is god.
thebobp said:
No, it just forces suspension within 5 seconds of all but a few special types of programs. (Which, in case you weren't sure, is neither as flexible nor good.)
See this link for information on both: http://www.extremetech.com/computing/112013-how-multitasking-works-on-android-and-ios
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Makes me actually wonder what would happen if you put Jellybean on comparable specs. Not enough to try looking for it, though. It's not like better hardware has not been cheaply available for some years.
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Is jelly bean really that much better than ics? The issues with the dev for my phone has caused me to have to avoid it as I wake up at 4 and if my phone decides to random reboot and get stuck then I'm fubard.
Thanks for the link btw, cleared many things up!
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Ahh, you be missing out. Especially with a few of the new tricks Jellybean added to bump it up to a iOS similar experience. Although with Android being so much more advanced than iOS I still think iOS will appear a little faster. However, I'd much rather have true multitasking, open file system, and massive customization than a slightly faster phone (and honestly, we're splitting hairs at this point)
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Lol I figured in was missing out. My next phone probably will be a nexus. But I just can't help but love the powerhouses of non nexus phones.
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Is jelly bean really that much better than ics? The issues with the dev for my phone has caused me to have to avoid it as I wake up at 4 and if my phone decides to random reboot and get stuck then I'm fubard.
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To be honest, I haven't been able to notice any lag even with ics.
JB supposedly fixes most/all of the lag issues, and is quite smooth on N7. However, you are correct in that it is only as good as the deving is. For example, CM10 on the S3 suffers from a memory leak (largely due to the "official" kernel not being available yet) and automatically closes apps as a result. So I can't make any promises.
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To be honest, I haven't been able to notice any lag even with ics. (Maybe it's the hardware difference; I'm using GN.)
JB supposedly fixes most/all of the lag issues, and is quite smooth on N7. However, you are correct in that it is only as good as the deving is. For example, CM10 on the S3 suffers from a memory leak (largely due to the "official" kernel not being available yet) and automatically closes apps as a result. So I can't make any promises.
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We have some great devs for the herc, but unfortunately since we don't have source either (and won't till probably 2013 if Sammy keeps their word... and never will if they don't lol) these guys are moving forward... but just. Not trash talking in any way.
I thought I saw an optimization someone had posted here for the XML layout of the messaging app... but of course I didn't save the link and haven't found it again
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new ion? said:
We have some great devs for the herc, but unfortunately since we don't have source either (and won't till probably 2013 if Sammy keeps their word... and never will if they don't lol) these guys are moving forward... but just. Not trash talking in any way.
I thought I saw an optimization someone had posted here for the XML layout of the messaging app... but of course I didn't save the link and haven't found it again
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Yeah I get it.
I think the best way to scope out buggy ROMs is just to read their threads, watch for complaints. And, of course, get another alarm clock redundancy is always a good thing.
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Yeah I get it.
I think the best way to scope out buggy ROMs is just to read their threads, watch for complaints. And, of course, get another alarm clock redundancy is always a good thing.
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Bought one, dropped it once and the time reset. I'm not spending another 5 mins adjusting it to the right time. Lol.
So basically, iOS is a lighter OS all together,(with a bit of smoke and mirrors) whereas android is more of a powerhouse. Take a bit more to keep er running, but its well worth it.
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So basically, iOS is a lighter OS all together,(with a bit of smoke and mirrors) whereas android is more of a powerhouse. Take a bit more to keep er running, but its well worth it.
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Thing about android is that it improves, both in terms of hardware (due to competition between oems that iOS never really faces) and software (due to google benefiting only if consumers actually want to use it, not just buy it). The cost of this is that everything moves so quickly for the corporations (the bureaucracy in pushing an update is so intense, for example) that old devices may be much worse than the devices two years later. But the benefit is also that new devices are so much better than the devices two years earlier.
Why do I mention this? Because every release also gets closer and closer to the point that "you no longer have to change from stock to get a good experience". Indeed, this may already be true depending on individual requirements, and for most I daresay it is already true for, example, the S3 or GN. So, while I would agree with your "powerhouse" characterization in broad strokes, the "maintenance" associated with such a thing gets less and less accurate. An analogy might be: in the past, it would've taken an expert to fine-tune a powerful device like a computer, whereas now, it's a non-issue.
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Thing about android is that it improves, both in terms of hardware (due to competition between oems that iOS never really faces) and software (due to google benefiting only if consumers actually want to use it, not just buy it). The cost of this is that everything moves so quickly for the corporations (the bureaucracy in pushing an update is so intense, for example) that old devices may be much worse than the devices two years later. But the benefit is also that new devices are so much better than the devices two years earlier.
Why do I mention this? Because every release also gets closer and closer to the point that "you no longer have to change from stock to get a good experience". Indeed, this may already be true depending on individual requirements, and for most I daresay it is already true for, example, the S3 or GN. So, while I would agree with your "powerhouse" characterization in broad strokes, the "maintenance" associated with such a thing gets less and less accurate. An analogy might be: in the past, it would've taken an expert to fine-tune a powerful device like a computer, whereas now, it's a non-issue.
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thing is though, that I kinda really like the external SD card. and the GN doesn't have it. neither does the N7 (or any other nexus IIRC) which scares me for the next one...
Totally understand. the flip side of this is that Apple has the chance to develop for their 3 year old phone still (3gS) whereas my phone, purchased last year, is BARELY going to get JB officially... and it took almost a year to get ICS. I kind of wish these phone makers had to slow it down a bit.
I'm curious though, hoping for a broader opinion, what do people think that iOS does better than Android? When i get the time I'm going to start coding again and I'd like a project to look into.
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thing is though, that I kinda really like the external SD card. and the GN doesn't have it. neither does the N7 (or any other nexus IIRC) which scares me for the next one...
Totally understand. the flip side of this is that Apple has the chance to develop for their 3 year old phone still (3gS) whereas my phone, purchased last year, is BARELY going to get JB officially... and it took almost a year to get ICS. I kind of wish these phone makers had to slow it down a bit.
I'm curious though, hoping for a broader opinion, what do people think that iOS does better than Android? When i get the time I'm going to start coding again and I'd like a project to look into.
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What they think is better? To name a few
Stable, no viruses, faster, retina display, made by apple, great UI, better updates, blah blah blah (this is what I have heard from many isheep)
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What they think is better? To name a few
Stable, no viruses, faster, retina display, made by apple, great UI, better updates, blah blah blah (this is what I have heard from many isheep)
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there are viruses for everything. and their precious retina display is no better than a 720 one.
I was more referring to people that use both, and aren't total fanboys, what does iOS do better than android?

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