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Can I have it?

First off you are in the wrong section
Second, I personally love my android phones. I don't exactly know why you are having speed issues... have you tried cursorsence? I installed it yesterday and I love it. There should be an overclock app in the market that could increase performance. Past that I'm not too sure of the problem.

If you're using MyHero you might as well sell your phone to someone smarter.

Im tired of thinking there are people like you in the world that think everything they want is the way it is. Spoiled little brats like yourself who know nothing of anything outside your little world where your handed everything in life or you cry and make everyone aware of it so you get the attention.
So.. your tired of not knowing what your doing when everyone else seems tobe fine? Well, were tired of people like you coming into our forums to whine about things that make no sense and to demand things completely outlandish.
Noone here is here for YOU. So please.. I beg you, find a new hobby, because this one seems a bit to high out of your reach. Maybe try coloring books?
Oh.. and you say the touch keyboards are so slow... You do understand that "predictive text" doesnt mean it knows what you are going to type before you do right? lol

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I do wish my magic was as fast as an iphone, but I think it is a little slower is because of multitasking and the keyboard is slow at times

ichijin said:
I do wish my magic was as fast as an iphone, but I think it is a little slower is because of multitasking and the keyboard is slow at times
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Try SuperD 1.6 or 1.4

aotiko said:
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How exactly is the world tired of people who don't like overrated products? Maybe the world is tired of people like you who love mediocrity. It is literally impossible for you people to not have speed issues. Every single person here has complained about it so dont make it seem like you "figured it all out". Even brand new android phones are reviewed as slow. And having the solution to root your phone to make it at a tolerable speed isnt acceptable for buying a phone for $500.
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What he means is no body force you to get this device.
If there is something else you like better go get it and leave this place.
I don't even want to begin guessing what "Even brand new android phones are reviewed as slow" means. Because if you're reffering to the Droid and Nexus One you could not be ANY FARTHER from the truth.
You have no facts, you say rooting is the only way to speed up a phone which is clearly wrong.
Why would people want to rip you a new one. You're a troll.

I agree in some way with you aotiko, fortunately my magic only cost's me 170€ without any contract otherwise for 500$ i had gone for an iphone.
typing some times is reallt slow, i'm on the snd word and the android is still writing the first (i'm now using the 2.1 and it is much better).
multi touch sucks, multi tasking is horrible because everything gets slower! (this was on my original 1.5, 2.1 i'm using since today so I still don't have an opinion)
keyboard is not as precise as iphone is (better on 2.0 too, the vibrate on is working much better).
battery life isn't worst but it is not good.
And what bugs me is that apple with a cpu with same velocity as magic done a f*cking fast phone with the 3gs! even with multi tasks on after jailbreak is is much faster, and as I've said CPU have the same speed as magic!
What hct and all other brands do is just increasing cpu speed, don't worry about sW optimisation and that is not good.
It looks like what intel and AMD done in the past in the pentium generation, more cpu clock, better. And it finally come to an end when problems with heat and stuff like that appear.
In the overall I still like my magic, but I won't if i had paid 500$!
just my 2 cents

aotiko said:
I have an HTC Magic 32A and i'm sick of it. It's so slow I don't even like using it anymore. I try all the roms that people claim are "EXTREMELY FAST!!!" and they are STILL slow. The scrolling on text messages, in a browser, or even in menus is very jittery. Android users are always ripping on iphones how they can't multitask until you jailbreak them but people root android phones to make them usably fast which isn't even that helpful. I don't see how I can possibly be doing anything wrong. Does everyone here secretly not enjoy their phones and that's why they are always here to find a ROM that they can actually use? I tell everyone I love it but I really don't. The keyboard is always behind in typing, even in a store on a brand new phone. It really seems like Google released android in a very very very early beta stage just so they won't fall behind in market share.
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Blow it out your ass!
Seriously, this forum is literally full of satisfied Android phone owners! If you are not satisfied with your phone, talk the store that sold it to you. Stop whining here.
My two cents...

cursordroid said:
Blow it out your ass!
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I think it would be better if I sacrifice myself and take his phone, since he doesn't like it !!!

is this a 10 year old boys conversation?
it looks like one.
com one guys! people have the right to their opinion, respect that and just don't act like an asshole(s)

MMartins said:
is this a 10 year old boys conversation?
it looks like one.
com one guys! people have the right to their opinion, respect that and just don't act like an asshole(s)
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Yes people are entitled to their opinion. But when someone comes here criticizing the work of these wonderful devs and making baseless arguments. They should leave.
Get an iPhone, and don't come back here. Simple as that.

I hope you are not talking about me!
I've not critized any one's work! we have were underfull devs no doubts about that!
but people can say what do work good and don't.
Most speed problems are not related to the devs but actually to the SO.
so please read carfully before start complaining.
Is iphone perfect? NO
is android perfect? NO
as i've said I love my android but for me iphone 3gs is faster with no doubts (NOT said better)
i will try my hero rom, as my girlfriend's hero with original rom, rotates faster, zoom faster than my 2.1 eclair rom.

MMartins said:
I hope you are not talking about me!
I've not critized any one's work! we have were underfull devs no doubts about that!
but people can say what do work good and don't.
Most speed problems are not related to the devs but actually to the SO.
so please read carfully before start complaining.
Is iphone perfect? NO
is android perfect? NO
as i've said I love my android but for me iphone 3gs is faster with no doubts (NOT said better)
i will try my hero rom, as my girlfriend's hero with original rom, rotates faster, zoom faster than my 2.1 eclair rom.
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I'm not talking about you. Read the OP. Ungrateful for the for of these devs that do their work for simply donations.

i paid 200$ + 35$ activation fee and regret it everyday.
yes i have a stable and "fast" rom and i know how to use my root/sd card and all the settings, but id rather not have to go thru all the non sense.
if i could do it all over again i would have either waited for the android development to get to where we need it or just went with an iphone.

ALL this arguments just because JAVA.

BTW, iPhone processor's frequency is a bit higher.
HTC Magic is a kickass phone and I love it. It's smooth enough for me and I'm sure 2.1 will be faster.

darvo said:
BTW, iPhone processor's frequency is a bit higher.
HTC Magic is a kickass phone and I love it. It's smooth enough for me and I'm sure 2.1 will be faster.
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Yea im sure too. Cant wait for the Nexus1 to be released in Denmark though

So....no hardware acceleration even after Ice Cream.....?

YouTube - ‪Google I/O 2011: Accelerated Android Rendering‬‏
At the beginning of this video, they basically state that because "Dual core and quad core devices are coming out" that there will be no FULL hardware acceleration in Android...ever...
In a nutshell, they're saying the general public will buy a phone because "IT HAS 5 CORES!" or w/e and not know the difference between GPU and CPU usage. I find this amazing that Android phones, often associated with lag on even dual core phones, still find this a low priority when they are trying to compete with Apple (and potentially Windows Phone 7 someday).
I played with a Motorola Xoom yesterday in the Sprint store (to see what hardware acceleration would POSSIBLY be like in ICS and further beyond). The animations were smooth, but there was STILL some lag (I suppose this is because of larger screen and more pixels needing to drawn.....but why does the iPad and iPad 2 use hardware acceleration so much better with large screens....?) I know in 3.1 they say they're supposed to better support hardware acceleration, so maybe the demo unit I tested still had 3.0....
For the first time, I've actually been considering dropping Android and moving onto Windows Phone 7 in the future. I was really looking forward to the future of Android, but it looks like Google really is only a cash cow looking to cash in on consumers' lack of knowledge on this issue...
EDIT: I know that it has been said that Android will be hardware accelerated, but I guess I was posting to get an understanding on WHY Romain Guy said this....it's conflicting to what has been stated and confusing....

Why don't you consider this for one second. Open the app drawer in Android...thats the whole iOS basically. Does not take much power to run that smooth.
Then consider that the App Drawer is only one part of a huge OS with widgets running and multiple panels and its easy to understand why it takes a bit more power to run this OS.
As for lag, zero with my Nexus S everything is lightning fast. My captivate, x10, and Arc had lag yes, but not my Nexus S.

gunstar3035 said:
Why don't you consider this for one second. Open the app drawer in Android...thats the whole iOS basically. Does not take much power to run that smooth.
Then consider that the App Drawer is only one part of a huge OS with widgets running and multiple panels and its easy to understand why it takes a bit more power to run this OS.
As for lag, zero with my Nexus S everything is lightning fast. My captivate, x10, and Arc had lag yes, but not my Nexus S.
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This is a ridiculous statement. Use iOS for a couple of days and then say that. It's a lot smoother doing everything, especially scrolling.

gunstar3035 said:
Why don't you consider this for one second. Open the app drawer in Android...thats the whole iOS basically. Does not take much power to run that smooth.
Then consider that the App Drawer is only one part of a huge OS with widgets running and multiple panels and its easy to understand why it takes a bit more power to run this OS.
As for lag, zero with my Nexus S everything is lightning fast. My captivate, x10, and Arc had lag yes, but not my Nexus S.
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I've actually been playing with my Nexus S a little more and try to push it to see if there is lag, and I agree wholeheartedly....if the speed only improves from here then I'm a happy camper I guess. I think this is due to the fact that there are some parts of hardware acceleration present in Gingerbread currently. If they enable "more hardware acceleration" then I guess it will be much smoother (which there already is virtually zero lag to this phone). I played with other phones in Sprint yesterday, and even comparing the Nexus to the Xoom, the Nexus was faster (albeit, smaller screen means faster drawing and smoother....). I used to have the Epic and that lagged also quite a bit as well (thanks Touchwiz).
You do make an interesting point that I never thought about when comparing iOS to Android with the app drawer example (thanks for that). I hate iOS, and Apple (although the iPhone 4 device itself is dead sexy). Lol...I'm actually kind of disappointed in myself for comparing the smoothness I guess and falling for the Apple "trap".

If you listen a little further, they start talking about tablets and how in Android 3.0 all the basic drawing is now hardware accelerated, and needs to be because they are trying to push so many more pixels through the same pipeline.
They then talk about GPUI - GPU-accelerated UI. That's the core of what they're moving forward with.
Long story short, Honeycomb has HW acceleration in the basic UI. ICS will have that too.

jonnythan said:
This is a ridiculous statement. Use iOS for a couple of days and then say that. It's a lot smoother doing everything, especially scrolling.
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THIS.....At the event, they said that apps can be hardware accelerated. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but this will bring the true "iOS" like experience to opening apps, and once the app is open it will be smooth like iOS from there (if the line of code is added by the developer(s)).
The scrolling IS smooth on Android, but not iOS smooth. For example (using a static wallpaper) scroll and notice it is smooth. However, add a YouTube widget to the screen and then click the search icon.....on my Nexus it will lag for a second or two (like it's thinking about it) and then present me with the window transition to the search bar screen. THAT, to me, suggests CPU "thinking" and NOT GPU "thinking". I guess I just notice a lot of elements that can sometimes tax (an extremely light tax thanks to EXT4, but a tax) on the CPU sometimes when it comes to animations and window transitions.

jonnythan said:
This is a ridiculous statement. Use iOS for a couple of days and then say that. It's a lot smoother doing everything, especially scrolling.
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No its not and though I didn't start with the original iphone or iphone 3g, I have a iphone 3GS, iphone 4, and an ipad. Statement holds bud.
I like to switch around, I also have a black berry, but Android is superior in every way...though I do not own a windows phone 7 device as of yet.
I love how you say my entire statement is ridiculous and bring up scrolling...did I mention scrolling? NO...did that have anything to do with what I posted? NO...
Common sense, level it up.

jonnythan said:
If you listen a little further, they start talking about tablets and how in Android 3.0 all the basic drawing is now hardware accelerated, and needs to be because they are trying to push so many more pixels through the same pipeline.
They then talk about GPUI - GPU-accelerated UI. That's the core of what they're moving forward with.
Long story short, Honeycomb has HW acceleration in the basic UI. ICS will have that too.
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Thanks. I noticed this, and this was what led to my confusion. They say they're moving forward HW acceleration, but why then are there so many contradictory statements such as "there are these limitations to it....etc...." or other statements that basically say "yea...it's coming....but it's not gonna be what you expect it to be.....".
I'm at work, so I can really watch it again to come up with specific quotes, but if you listen there are some in there IMO...

Does a little bit of lag really bother people this much? I've used an iPhone 4 and still prefer android any day of the week. My Nexus S is the best phone I've ever used.
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Zardos66 said:
Does a little bit of lag really bother people this much? I've used an iPhone 4 and still prefer android any day of the week. My Nexus S is the best phone I've ever used.
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It bothers me, yeah. I find it very frustrating.

I think the lag has been slowly bugging me more and more....i seem to still get scrolling lag and some lag opening the app drawer in cm7 regardless of what I do.... That kind of lag is the first thing people notice... It should be one of the highest priorities for the future
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Android 3.0 hardware acceleration, see here:
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2011/03/android-30-hardware-acceleration.html
ICS is the next evolution (revolution?) from 3.0, so expect the same there.
If ICS will be used in the phone, it would have the same hardware acceleration as well.
So, be happy and wait for the Nexus Prime !

gunstar3035 said:
Your really coming off as a little troll ****. If you love apple so much stick with that and GTFO, thanks.
You come into this topic, posting that iOS is anything more than a giant menu (which by the way it is just an app menu and nothing more) and now your *****ing because you get frustrated by the nonexistant lag in the Nexus S...if that frustrates you I'd hate to see how you cope with a real issue.
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Booooo to you sir, for being a flamer. He posted a reasonable question about a legitimate issue.
There IS lag in Android UI. I see it all the time. The main time I notice is the application opening/closing transition animations. Sometimes they literally render at about 2 to 4 frames per second.
Also there is major lag in Honeycomb on Tegra 2 tablets, but it is because of Tegra 2 bug in portrait mode. It is smooth in landscape but very laggy in portrait.

Holy crap, someone has issues

jonnythan said:
Holy crap, someone has issues
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Lol. I think his parents never loved him.
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malikadnanm said:
Lol. I think his parents never loved him.
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Love is for the weak.

gunstar3035 said:
Love is for the weak.
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The surest sign of strength is calling someone names on an internet message board for speaking about weaknesses of a mobile operating system.

gunstar3035 said:
I'll let you know when I give a ****.
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I lol'd...
They better add gpu support...

gunstar3035 said:
Love is for the weak.
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Lol
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derekwilkinson said:
I lol'd...
They better add gpu support...
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No GPU support! It's perfectly 100% smooth as it is!
iOS is smoother because it's just an app drawer! iOS is incapable of the incredible things we do on Android.
I mean, iOS isn't smoother, AND it's just an app drawer! Wait, what am I saying?

[Q] how can i overclock a windows phone 7 device

Can someone tell me if i can overclock my windows phone device ?

nooooooooooooooooooooooooot yet

What is the use of overclocking Windows phones? Wp OS is damn fast.

Extreme boy said:
What is the use of overclocking Windows phones? Wp OS is damn fast.
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i agree but there will always people like this... first they ask how to overclock, then they'll get the answer which is obviously no for the time being and they get all pissy and ***** about how android is better... bla bla bla.....

Extreme boy said:
What is the use of overclocking Windows phones? Wp OS is damn fast.
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To make playing games a more fluid experience, for one.

Underclocking is what i need
.. yeah, i need underclocking, not overclocking. Because when NAVIGON is running on my Omnia 7, it gets damned hot and sucks out the battery, even when connected to external power.

Extreme boy said:
What is the use of overclocking Windows phones? Wp OS is damn fast.
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i agree but i think wp7 has more potential than oder os out there

underclocking
the OS is very fast, i've the problem that the phone is too hot and it shutdown byself.
i see ther's some rom with hack speed cpu. Ther's no app to underclock?

u dont have to overclock if u are using a a phone using nand storage ( eg. LG samsung). It is already fast enough
overclocking will only drain the battery...
But hoever no one has managed to do it yet although it has been achieved in win mobile but i am sure its very possible because win mobile can overclock & underclock just by installing a couple of apps
setcpu, leocpu apps ect
if someone can port them over to winphone , that will be great
well u can do a few changes to the registry to speed up the OS if u are using a phone like Hd7 which uses sdcard for storage. these tweaks will give u a speed and response like 1.5Ghz wp 7 phones
3 of them
Disable d2d hardware acceleration for Internet explorer
This wll disable certain features of hardware acceleration in IE9 and swith to CPU rendering saving some battery life in web surfing and also faster more fluid graphics
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\software\Microsoft\windows\INTE RNET explorer\main\feature control/Feature Render with 2D/ (set Dword to 0)
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curre ntVersion\Internet Settings
Value name: MaxConnectionsPer1_0Server
Value data: 32
Value Name: MaxConnectionsPerServer
Value data: 16
this will speed up overall loading of graphics in the OS
\HKLM\System\GDI\GLYPHCACHE\limit=1048576
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speedyburnzales said:
.. yeah, i need underclocking, not overclocking. Because when NAVIGON is running on my Omnia 7, it gets damned hot and sucks out the battery, even when connected to external power.
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Underclock from 1 GHZ to 800 mhz will be fine .. 20% gain in battery life

Potential potential, i keep hearing about it......forget it, i have a 3 year old desire, released with 2.1, got 2.2, 2.3, 4.0 and now work being alpha release of 4.1 jelly been.
A Samsung focus 1st gen, with 4 incremental updates which basically give you nothing new, just what Microsoft forgot to add.....
And no development.....
What's the use of potential if i can't get any features of normal smartphones......never gonna buy a wp phone EVER
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Yasir Javed Ansari said:
Potential potential, i keep hearing about it......forget it, i have a 3 year old desire, released with 2.1, got 2.2, 2.3, 4.0 and now work being alpha release of 4.1 jelly been.
A Samsung focus 1st gen, with 4 incremental updates which basically give you nothing new, just what Microsoft forgot to add.....
And no development.....
What's the use of potential if i can't get any features of normal smartphones......never gonna buy a wp phone EVER
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So you came here just to tell us that? Cool, thank you for your input. Please come again.

Yasir Javed Ansari said:
Potential potential, i keep hearing about it......forget it, i have a 3 year old desire, released with 2.1, got 2.2, 2.3, 4.0 and now work being alpha release of 4.1 jelly been.
A Samsung focus 1st gen, with 4 incremental updates which basically give you nothing new, just what Microsoft forgot to add.....
And no development.....
What's the use of potential if i can't get any features of normal smartphones......never gonna buy a wp phone EVER
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Bye bye, you wont be missed haha :silly:

Keefo said:
Bye bye, you wont be missed haha :silly:
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Vented my frustration actually, but still, i did expect more development for this OS then what's been actually done....
Maybe you guys don't agree and are satisfied with it....
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Yasir Javed Ansari said:
Vented my frustration actually, but still, i did expect more development for this OS then what's been actually done....
Maybe you guys don't agree and are satisfied with it....
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You see, the situation is this, you choose an OS that by its very nature is buggy, slow and in need of constant tweaking and modding, and that's fine, I used to be the same, id mod the significantly more moddable WM every other week.
But many of us have moved on, we want a phone that is just that, a phone, you pick it up and it works. I think its a perfectly valid statement to say that out of the box, WP IS a much better PHONE and contact (social/work) centre then iOS or Android, you will note the "out of the box" by that I mean, you don't need to install anything extra
Now its all down to personal preference, what's odd about your comment is that, very rarely do you see us going over to another forum that your not actively participating in and then drop comments like that which by its own nature will wind people up, its a little bit disrespectful to be honest.
Ive had WM WP and various Androids on mu HD2 and suffice to say, android will never grace its NAND again, not because its not any good, but because for my needs, WP is significantly better than anything else, I don't need to mod it, I don't want to mod it, I just want it to work

dazza9075 said:
You see, the situation is this, you choose an OS that by its very nature is buggy, slow and in need of constant tweaking and modding, and that's fine, I used to be the same, id mod the significantly more moddable WM every other week.
But many of us have moved on, we want a phone that is just that, a phone, you pick it up and it works. I think its a perfectly valid statement to say that out of the box, WP IS a much better PHONE and contact (social/work) centre then iOS or Android, you will note the "out of the box" by that I mean, you don't need to install anything extra
Now its all down to personal preference, what's odd about your comment is that, very rarely do you see us going over to another forum that your not actively participating in and then drop comments like that which by its own nature will wind people up, its a little bit disrespectful to be honest.
Ive had WM WP and various Androids on mu HD2 and suffice to say, android will never grace its NAND again, not because its not any good, but because for my needs, WP is significantly better than anything else, I don't need to mod it, I don't want to mod it, I just want it to work
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Reply appreciated , I'm just trying to work out both of my phones.....maybe I'll understand the wp7 mentality with time.... It really is down to simple preferences......wp7 has much better integration then others out of box, but marketplace is very poor, dont you agree ? I mean the YouTube app is just a link to mobile website......maybe it needs more time....
Anyways....I'm off .
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I like android and I like IOS and windows phone. I like apples and oranges and banana's. I treat each fruit as what they are a different fruit. You wont see me running around a hate apples they don't taste like oranges. lol

Yasir Javed Ansari said:
Reply appreciated , I'm just trying to work out both of my phones.....maybe I'll understand the wp7 mentality with time.... It really is down to simple preferences......wp7 has much better integration then others out of box, but marketplace is very poor, dont you agree ? I mean the YouTube app is just a link to mobile website......maybe it needs more time....
Anyways....I'm off .
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Yasir
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The marketplace is very poor?
Again that depends on your needs, at this moment in time I have about half a dozen apps installed, I cant think of anything else I want on it, so from my perspective the market place is actually perfect.
I don't have a need to install dozens upon dozens of apps, I don't need 1000 different torch apps. There are two reasons for this, firstly I simply have no need for anything else at the moment, secondly I refuse to get tied in to a marketplace, buys stacks of apps, then forever feel I am chained to that OS forever because moving would essentially mean throwing away all the apps I've already purchased and potentially buying them again.
Tell me, lets say over the course of you OS choice, you spend £50 on apps, then all of a sudden your world is rocked to its bones when the "Enemy" releases an OS version that actually suites your needs better than your Current OS, would you take the phone that is better for you and throw away £50 or would at the very least feel compelled to stay with your current OS choice and make do.
Don't be so quick to answer that, I can promise you at the very least the argument will crop up in your mind, when in fact there should be no argument at all, the phone that does what you need it to do the best IS the best choice...

HTC Radar...welcome relief from Android or...

Hi all...
I am planning to buy this phone for my dad. Wanted to know how good it is and that would be really helpful as he's going to use it for reading, and emails and browsing. I know the system is fast & fluid... What is the scope the long run and what about Apollo.
What is the difference between 4 inch and 3.8? will it make a big difference??
He's currently using XPERIA x 10 it is very slow and buggy...
Thank you.
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No more updates, WP7 phone will and cannot be upgraded to WP8.
I suggest you wait for a WP8 phone.
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If browsing, reading and email is all he plans to do, there is no need to wait for WP8 as these are pretty good in existing WP. However, if he plasn to listen to songs, etc, wait for WP8.
Oh, and btw, Hindi fonts are currently not supported officially, AFAIK. That may be a whammy.
EDIT:
And as for 3.7 vs 4 ", typing in portrait mode becomes more of a big PITA for those with large fingers like mine. So bigger is better
I am referring to the devnagri fonts since its not there in my focus.

Thanks for the reply I wanted to know if the phone is good or are there any serious flaws ??
Any particular problem I can expect...honestly don't much care about updates as long as the phone is working fine..main concern size of the screen.
If 3.8 is going to be small, no point in buying it..
Thanx all u guys fr your replies!
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Many people get by fine on small-screen phones (the iPhone is only 3.5", which I personally find too small but many don't). There is guaranteed to be at least one more update for the Radar - WP7.8 - which is better than many Android phones will get! Additionally, being an HTC phone, we already know how to unlock its bootloader so custom ROMs are always a possibility (also true on most ANdroid phones, of course)
The lack of keyboards / fonts for Indian languages is probably the biggest problem that might be encountered. The slightly smaller screen size (you can notice 0.2" less, but it's not a big deal) is probably the second-biggest loss. On the plus side, the phone is fast, fluid, easy to use, much less at risk of malware, gets good battery life (for a smartphone), and generally good quality.

GoodDayToDie said:
Many people get by fine on small-screen phones (the iPhone is only 3.5", which I personally find too small but many don't). There is guaranteed to be at least one more update for the Radar - WP7.8 - which is better than many Android phones will get! Additionally, being an HTC phone, we already know how to unlock its bootloader so custom ROMs are always a possibility (also true on most ANdroid phones, of course)
The lack of keyboards / fonts for Indian languages is probably the biggest problem that might be encountered. The slightly smaller screen size (you can notice 0.2" less, but it's not a big deal) is probably the second-biggest loss. On the plus side, the phone is fast, fluid, easy to use, much less at risk of malware, gets good battery life (for a smartphone), and generally good quality.
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Thanx!
U underlined all that I wanted to know..yes, the only issue I feel is the small screen. See, its for my dad. He's getting old and don't want him to struggle with the text on the screen. May it be a website, may it be an email.
He is using Xperia X10. It's 4", but very laggy, slow and heats up with loads of other issues.
It will surely be a welcome change but the screen size is what worries me. The problem is, I can't show it to him as its not available in any stores..only online.
I had HTC HD7 myself, miles faster than Android, but again very few apps and even little on the dev scene...
Hmmm...thanx anyways...
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circleofomega said:
Thanx!
U underlined all that I wanted to know..yes, the only issue I feel is the small screen. See, its for my dad. He's getting old and don't want him to struggle with the text on the screen. May it be a website, may it be an email.
He is using Xperia X10. It's 4", but very laggy, slow and heats up with loads of other issues.
It will surely be a welcome change but the screen size is what worries me. The problem is, I can't show it to him as its not available in any stores..only online.
I had HTC HD7 myself, miles faster than Android, but again very few apps and even little on the dev scene...
Hmmm...thanx anyways...
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from what you have said he will be doing with it, it will be absolutely fine.
There is this Apollo reaction going about at the moment where people seem to thing that WP7 suddenly stops working and isn't good enough but the simple fact is, WP7 works now, it works very well now, its not designed to be a pocket PC so doesn't need all the bells and whistles, what it is designed to do it does VERY well now so when Apollo comes to life it will continue to work until the market share of WP7 drops to a point low enough for developers to completely ignore it. Basic rule of e-commerce, if you have a market that pays your wages, continue to support it until its irrelevant, if I were to put a time on it id say, 18-24 months from Apollo launch will be where things start to SIGNIFICANTLY decline on the WP7 dev front
my only worry is when you say he will be doing reading on it, the size isn't a big issue in terms of text size, I hear the comments over keyboard size and if your fingers will work with then and completely understand that, but that is very much up to you, we cant help on that one. Nope the big one is reading, do you mean reading ebooks etc? or just general phone use reading?
Ebook reading will suck the life out of your phone faster than an average train ride, it will do it, but I wouldn't use it as a ebook reader as a primary function,

dazza9075 said:
from what you have said he will be doing with it, it will be absolutely fine.
There is this Apollo reaction going about at the moment where people seem to thing that WP7 suddenly stops working and isn't good enough but the simple fact is, WP7 works now, it works very well now, its not designed to be a pocket PC so doesn't need all the bells and whistles, what it is designed to do it does VERY well now so when Apollo comes to life it will continue to work until the market share of WP7 drops to a point low enough for developers to completely ignore it. Basic rule of e-commerce, if you have a market that pays your wages, continue to support it until its irrelevant, if I were to put a time on it id say, 18-24 months from Apollo launch will be where things start to SIGNIFICANTLY decline on the WP7 dev front
my only worry is when you say he will be doing reading on it, the size isn't a big issue in terms of text size, I hear the comments over keyboard size and if your fingers will work with then and completely understand that, but that is very much up to you, we cant help on that one. Nope the big one is reading, do you mean reading ebooks etc? or just general phone use reading?
Ebook reading will suck the life out of your phone faster than an average train ride, it will do it, but I wouldn't use it as a ebook reader as a primary function,
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Thnx for your reply mate...
No by reading I dont mean ebooks. He doesn't read books, let alone be ebooks.
I meant webpages, news articles, sms, and all other text. Im in a fix now..showed it to him on the PC...big mistake, he thinks its toooo small.
Shyt...I think i will go to a small shop around the corner and see if there is a dummy...
Thanx a lot once again. I really appreciate it.
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[Q] iOS vs Android: the nitty gritty

So a partial spec list for the iPhone 5 was released, and it mentioned the processor being 1 GHz. Now lets assume that this is a dual core CPU, and lets also assume that there is active GPU rendering as in Android 4.0 +.
The IP4s has a dual core, 800 MHz Cortex A9, (A9 just like most modern phones). now however, if you take that 800 MHz CPU and put android onto it, we aren't going to see anything special happen.
I'm way too tired to finish this post now, but basically, I'm curious if anyone knows why iOS seems to be so much more efficient than android does.
I refuse to have this turn into the typical VS thread and will just lock it if it does. I would like this to be a discussion about the firmware (as much as we know at least) and anything technical.
please, feel free to correct me of anything i have said.

Umm, because iOS is tailored for that exact hardware?
Have you ever used a Nexus phone? Runs really damn well for the specs, because Android is tailored to those specs first and foremost.

Apple puts in lots of tricks to make the user experience of iOS a smooth one. (Example: when waiting for a web page to load and you start dragging, iOS actually stops the process of loading the page and focuses everything on your finger. Android continues to load the page).
No true multitasking to bog down RAM as well. Simple OS, simpler hardware.
Also the post above. Tailored hardware. Just look at WP7 and their single core snapdragons!
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speedyink said:
Umm, because iOS is tailored for that exact hardware?
Have you ever used a Nexus phone? Runs really damn well for the specs, because Android is tailored to those specs first and foremost.
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Unfortunately, as I was having issues with AOKP rebooting at the time my friend got his GNex, I haven't been allowed to touch a nexus LOL
gagdude said:
Apple puts in lots of tricks to make the user experience of iOS a smooth one. (Example: when waiting for a web page to load and you start dragging, iOS actually stops the process of loading the page and focuses everything on your finger. Android continues to load the page).
No true multitasking to bog down RAM as well. Simple OS, simpler hardware.
Also the post above. Tailored hardware. Just look at WP7 and their single core snapdragons!
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See i thought it had to do with the dedicated hardware, with the non nexus users getting shafted.
I'm curious of things like... lags in the messaging app. I don't have that many messages (all threads are capped at 450 and 20 pics) yet I still have some bad lag on my phone.
I guess I'm curious if we can get into the reasons why some apps and processes (messaging app etc) will lag, and if there is a known way to improve the issues.
glad to see this hasn't gotten to an outright flame war yet lol

I figure it's very similar to power-to-weight ratio. Some lightweight cars with lower horsepower are much faster than 2-ton cars with massive horsepower.
The lack of multitasking alone would have a huge impact. I think that could be tested in a Rom like AOKP, by telling it to destroy the activity as soon as the user leaves it. I don't have access to an iPhone to compare to, though.
Either way, I'd rather have a heavier, more full-featured OS today requires better hardware than iOS.

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I figure it's very similar to power-to-weight ratio. Some lightweight cars with lower horsepower are much faster than 2-ton cars with massive horsepower.
The lack of multitasking alone would have a huge impact. I think that could be tested in a Rom like AOKP, by telling it to destroy the activity as soon as the user leaves it. I don't have access to an iPhone to compare to, though.
Either way, I'd rather have a heavier, more full-featured OS today requires better hardware than iOS.
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It seems that iOS has a better featured multitasking than this though... it doesn't completely destroy the task (or it seems not to)

Read here.
http://androidandme.com/2011/12/news/android-may-never-be-as-smooth-as-ios-says-ex-googler/
And
https://plus.google.com/app/plus/mp/66/#~loop:view=activity&aid=z124gl3b2o3jzx0ll220gfnhmuusu54rk04
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new ion? said:
It seems that iOS has a better featured multitasking than this though... it doesn't completely destroy the task (or it seems not to)
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From what I've read, that depends on the task/API. iOS doesn't multitask as well as Android, certainly. Destroying all tasks on Android wouldn't be a perfect comparison, but you can see if it makes a big difference or not.
The UI rendering thing above games sense, but on my T-Mobile GSII, I don't experience any noticeable or bothersome lag. It was stable and smooth until I switched from AOKP ICS to AOKP JB. Smooth, sure, but JB is a work in progress.

new ion? said:
It seems that iOS has a better featured multitasking than this though... it doesn't completely destroy the task (or it seems not to)
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No, it just forces suspension within 5 seconds of all but a few special types of programs. (Which, in case you weren't sure, is neither as flexible nor good.)
See this link for information on both: http://www.extremetech.com/computing/112013-how-multitasking-works-on-android-and-ios
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The IP4s has a dual core, 800 MHz Cortex A9, (A9 just like most modern phones). now however, if you take that 800 MHz CPU and put android onto it, we aren't going to see anything special happen.
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Makes me actually wonder what would happen if you put Jellybean on comparable specs. Not enough to try looking for it, though. It's not like better hardware has not been cheaply available for some years.

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Unfortunately, as I was having issues with AOKP rebooting at the time my friend got his GNex, I haven't been allowed to touch a nexus LOL
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Ahh, you be missing out. Especially with a few of the new tricks Jellybean added to bump it up to a iOS similar experience. Although with Android being so much more advanced than iOS I still think iOS will appear a little faster. However, I'd much rather have true multitasking, open file system, and massive customization than a slightly faster phone (and honestly, we're splitting hairs at this point)

jRi0T68 said:
From what I've read, that depends on the task/API. iOS doesn't multitask as well as Android, certainly. Destroying all tasks on Android wouldn't be a perfect comparison, but you can see if it makes a big difference or not.
The UI rendering thing above games sense, but on my T-Mobile GSII, I don't experience any noticeable or bothersome lag. It was stable and smooth until I switched from AOKP ICS to AOKP JB. Smooth, sure, but JB is a work in progress.
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See i run cm9 on my herc, and the lag in the keyboard and messaging app kills me. I hate tw, but im tempted to go go try evo8 just cuz tdj is god.
thebobp said:
No, it just forces suspension within 5 seconds of all but a few special types of programs. (Which, in case you weren't sure, is neither as flexible nor good.)
See this link for information on both: http://www.extremetech.com/computing/112013-how-multitasking-works-on-android-and-ios
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Makes me actually wonder what would happen if you put Jellybean on comparable specs. Not enough to try looking for it, though. It's not like better hardware has not been cheaply available for some years.
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Is jelly bean really that much better than ics? The issues with the dev for my phone has caused me to have to avoid it as I wake up at 4 and if my phone decides to random reboot and get stuck then I'm fubard.
Thanks for the link btw, cleared many things up!
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speedyink said:
Ahh, you be missing out. Especially with a few of the new tricks Jellybean added to bump it up to a iOS similar experience. Although with Android being so much more advanced than iOS I still think iOS will appear a little faster. However, I'd much rather have true multitasking, open file system, and massive customization than a slightly faster phone (and honestly, we're splitting hairs at this point)
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Lol I figured in was missing out. My next phone probably will be a nexus. But I just can't help but love the powerhouses of non nexus phones.
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new ion? said:
Is jelly bean really that much better than ics? The issues with the dev for my phone has caused me to have to avoid it as I wake up at 4 and if my phone decides to random reboot and get stuck then I'm fubard.
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To be honest, I haven't been able to notice any lag even with ics.
JB supposedly fixes most/all of the lag issues, and is quite smooth on N7. However, you are correct in that it is only as good as the deving is. For example, CM10 on the S3 suffers from a memory leak (largely due to the "official" kernel not being available yet) and automatically closes apps as a result. So I can't make any promises.

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To be honest, I haven't been able to notice any lag even with ics. (Maybe it's the hardware difference; I'm using GN.)
JB supposedly fixes most/all of the lag issues, and is quite smooth on N7. However, you are correct in that it is only as good as the deving is. For example, CM10 on the S3 suffers from a memory leak (largely due to the "official" kernel not being available yet) and automatically closes apps as a result. So I can't make any promises.
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We have some great devs for the herc, but unfortunately since we don't have source either (and won't till probably 2013 if Sammy keeps their word... and never will if they don't lol) these guys are moving forward... but just. Not trash talking in any way.
I thought I saw an optimization someone had posted here for the XML layout of the messaging app... but of course I didn't save the link and haven't found it again
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new ion? said:
We have some great devs for the herc, but unfortunately since we don't have source either (and won't till probably 2013 if Sammy keeps their word... and never will if they don't lol) these guys are moving forward... but just. Not trash talking in any way.
I thought I saw an optimization someone had posted here for the XML layout of the messaging app... but of course I didn't save the link and haven't found it again
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Yeah I get it.
I think the best way to scope out buggy ROMs is just to read their threads, watch for complaints. And, of course, get another alarm clock redundancy is always a good thing.

thebobp said:
Yeah I get it.
I think the best way to scope out buggy ROMs is just to read their threads, watch for complaints. And, of course, get another alarm clock redundancy is always a good thing.
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Bought one, dropped it once and the time reset. I'm not spending another 5 mins adjusting it to the right time. Lol.
So basically, iOS is a lighter OS all together,(with a bit of smoke and mirrors) whereas android is more of a powerhouse. Take a bit more to keep er running, but its well worth it.
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new ion? said:
So basically, iOS is a lighter OS all together,(with a bit of smoke and mirrors) whereas android is more of a powerhouse. Take a bit more to keep er running, but its well worth it.
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Thing about android is that it improves, both in terms of hardware (due to competition between oems that iOS never really faces) and software (due to google benefiting only if consumers actually want to use it, not just buy it). The cost of this is that everything moves so quickly for the corporations (the bureaucracy in pushing an update is so intense, for example) that old devices may be much worse than the devices two years later. But the benefit is also that new devices are so much better than the devices two years earlier.
Why do I mention this? Because every release also gets closer and closer to the point that "you no longer have to change from stock to get a good experience". Indeed, this may already be true depending on individual requirements, and for most I daresay it is already true for, example, the S3 or GN. So, while I would agree with your "powerhouse" characterization in broad strokes, the "maintenance" associated with such a thing gets less and less accurate. An analogy might be: in the past, it would've taken an expert to fine-tune a powerful device like a computer, whereas now, it's a non-issue.

thebobp said:
Thing about android is that it improves, both in terms of hardware (due to competition between oems that iOS never really faces) and software (due to google benefiting only if consumers actually want to use it, not just buy it). The cost of this is that everything moves so quickly for the corporations (the bureaucracy in pushing an update is so intense, for example) that old devices may be much worse than the devices two years later. But the benefit is also that new devices are so much better than the devices two years earlier.
Why do I mention this? Because every release also gets closer and closer to the point that "you no longer have to change from stock to get a good experience". Indeed, this may already be true depending on individual requirements, and for most I daresay it is already true for, example, the S3 or GN. So, while I would agree with your "powerhouse" characterization in broad strokes, the "maintenance" associated with such a thing gets less and less accurate. An analogy might be: in the past, it would've taken an expert to fine-tune a powerful device like a computer, whereas now, it's a non-issue.
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thing is though, that I kinda really like the external SD card. and the GN doesn't have it. neither does the N7 (or any other nexus IIRC) which scares me for the next one...
Totally understand. the flip side of this is that Apple has the chance to develop for their 3 year old phone still (3gS) whereas my phone, purchased last year, is BARELY going to get JB officially... and it took almost a year to get ICS. I kind of wish these phone makers had to slow it down a bit.
I'm curious though, hoping for a broader opinion, what do people think that iOS does better than Android? When i get the time I'm going to start coding again and I'd like a project to look into.

new ion? said:
thing is though, that I kinda really like the external SD card. and the GN doesn't have it. neither does the N7 (or any other nexus IIRC) which scares me for the next one...
Totally understand. the flip side of this is that Apple has the chance to develop for their 3 year old phone still (3gS) whereas my phone, purchased last year, is BARELY going to get JB officially... and it took almost a year to get ICS. I kind of wish these phone makers had to slow it down a bit.
I'm curious though, hoping for a broader opinion, what do people think that iOS does better than Android? When i get the time I'm going to start coding again and I'd like a project to look into.
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What they think is better? To name a few
Stable, no viruses, faster, retina display, made by apple, great UI, better updates, blah blah blah (this is what I have heard from many isheep)
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gagdude said:
What they think is better? To name a few
Stable, no viruses, faster, retina display, made by apple, great UI, better updates, blah blah blah (this is what I have heard from many isheep)
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there are viruses for everything. and their precious retina display is no better than a 720 one.
I was more referring to people that use both, and aren't total fanboys, what does iOS do better than android?