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[Q] WP7 - a mistake?

hello friends, i have been using WP7 for almost 7months... now i kind of regret for having chosen WP7, bcuz of lack of apps n customization... i just saw my friends Android and it was so damn cool... the app selection is the best n apps have control over the phones vitaal functions like messaging ( u can replace native inbox) , start screen n so on...
now what i wanted to know is any user here who has used Android n WP7, i request your suggestion; is Android really good or though there are many apps is it not stable ?? which do u feel is better ??

You can use the search button and read through all the existing threads. Otherwise all people will do is repeat what they said before and within a day there will be huge arguments. Seriously, use the search button.
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[email protected] said:
hello friends, i have been using WP7 for almost 7months... now i kind of regret for having chosen WP7, bcuz of lack of apps n customization... i just saw my friends Android and it was so damn cool... the app selection is the best n apps have control over the phones vitaal functions like messaging ( u can replace native inbox) , start screen n so on...
now what i wanted to know is any user here who has used Android n WP7, i request your suggestion; is Android really good or though there are many apps is it not stable ?? which do u feel is better ??
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Everything is a mistake if you don't research before you buy. Like buying a 2 door porshe when you have 4 kids . Hope you learned your lesson.

I dont even think about Android anymore now that i have mango, super sleek!

Yep. Android is cool. It has all those cool stuffs. Sold my hd7 cause i need a phone that can do wifi tethering and android phones are the only phone i know that can do it right. The only thing cool about wp7 are the smooth UI but it kinda gets boring...

pillsburydoughman said:
Everything is a mistake if you don't research before you buy. Like buying a 2 door porshe when you have 4 kids . Hope you learned your lesson.
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True... I took 1 month to choose my phone, I tryed iPhone, Android, WP7, everything..
Did lots of research.. I finally bought my Omnia 7 been 8 months and no regrets, and now with Mango my iPhone and Droid friends get so jealous.. Eheh
I love it,..

I did do research, but never found out that apps would be such a problem... Thanks anyway for the replies

BellPego said:
True... I took 1 month to choose my phone, I tryed iPhone, Android, WP7, everything..
Did lots of research.. I finally bought my Omnia 7 been 8 months and no regrets, and now with Mango my iPhone and Droid friends get so jealous.. Eheh
I love it,..
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nice dude, but mango? are u a developer ? how did u get mango installed ? the warranty void installation process??

We don't need no warranty I have been flashing roms for 6 years and have never had a problem getting a phone swapped
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[email protected] said:
nice dude, but mango? are u a developer ? how did u get mango installed ? the warranty void installation process??
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Apps will become less and less a problem
A ton of new HQ apps have been released:
- IM plus (expect it to be mastered once Mango gets officially released)
- FB (now supports push)
- Vevo (!)
- AccuWeather
- Kik
With Mango:
- Spotify
- Skype
(hopefully whatsapp as well, they have the API's they need now)
plus all the other stuff like multitasking all works really great and the ease of use and productivity will increase significantly.
What more does one need, now we can also have unlimited sideload apps on Mango. Its worth the wait, it will only get better once nokia will release its mapping apps and stuff.
Some of the apps can be replaced on android because the native ones are crap, with wp7 you can ask yourself do you really need other apps or do the native ones just do their job fine.
You can install Mango and give it a go... if you still dont like it, restore back to NoDo and you will still have your warranty.

In my experience Android can get laggy, drain battery and be a bit unstable at times with apps crashing.
WP7 on the other hand is smooth and easy to use.
I don't miss any apps from Android but you may have different needs.

Get Mango on it, you'll soon change your mind.

WP7 is in it's infancy so of course it isn't going to have as much as android or ios, but it is growing.

Marvin_S said:
Apps will become less and less a problem
A ton of new HQ apps have been released:
- IM plus (expect it to be mastered once Mango gets officially released)
- FB (now supports push)
- Vevo (!)
- AccuWeather
- Kik
With Mango:
- Spotify
- Skype
(hopefully whatsapp as well, they have the API's they need now)
plus all the other stuff like multitasking all works really great and the ease of use and productivity will increase significantly.
What more does one need, now we can also have unlimited sideload apps on Mango. Its worth the wait, it will only get better once nokia will release its mapping apps and stuff.
Some of the apps can be replaced on android because the native ones are crap, with wp7 you can ask yourself do you really need other apps or do the native ones just do their job fine.
You can install Mango and give it a go... if you still dont like it, restore back to NoDo and you will still have your warranty.
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Yeah once Mango gets here he should be mostly satisfied with WP7 (since push notifications will actually work and the internet browser will actually be useable)
Also, all the "cool" stuff you're seeing on Android... It has no use. Is changing the SMS interface really necessary if the Messaging hub already works really well? It's fun to screw around with that stuff, but that's all it really is.

WP7 is how a true 'smart' phone should be. Quick, slick and beautiful in it's own way.
If you want customisation... buy an Android phone. But Android is laggy and bloated. Yeah you can change almost anything, but it feels as if the device is 'fragmented'.
WP7 has a smooth togetherness which I love.
Thumbs up MS. Keep up the good work. Mango beta is far from perfect, but MS seems to be listening to it's users!!!!

This is a loaded question...
However...
Once one decides if the limitations that the OS have make it difficult for you do the things you NEED to do it's a pretty easy decision.
Mango does indeed take the things that WP7 did and make it even better. There's not a lot of change in the deep OS strategy though. WP7 is about content and not computing.
You cannot customize it to your hearts content because the UI is built on a standing principle on UX.
Android = computer emulation
WP7 = Mobile empowerer
You can do a whole lot more on Android and it will probably stay that way as Android continues to push the limits. WP7 is more polished, more refined, more dedicated to its useful purpose. It is also much more locked down. Android is more green fields, do anything you want and how you want and with that strategy comes good at everything, master of none.

Excellent analogy. Very well put.

jessiethe3rd said:
This is a loaded question...
However...
Once one decides if the limitations that the OS have make it difficult for you do the things you NEED to do it's a pretty easy decision.
Mango does indeed take the things that WP7 did and make it even better. There's not a lot of change in the deep OS strategy though. WP7 is about content and not computing.
You cannot customize it to your hearts content because the UI is built on a standing principle on UX.
Android = computer emulation
WP7 = Mobile empowerer
You can do a whole lot more on Android and it will probably stay that way as Android continues to push the limits. WP7 is more polished, more refined, more dedicated to its useful purpose. It is also much more locked down. Android is more green fields, do anything you want and how you want and with that strategy comes good at everything, master of none.
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Great reply!

I avoided Android because of these opinions but honestly right now it is quite refined too.
It is somewhat true WP7 is having better workflow that other OSes but for me lack of features and quite boring UI after some time disappointed me.
As it was written here so many times, WP7 does it's job in some areas in elegant way.
However Mango may be the first finished and more refined version of the OS. Currently it's quite poor IMO. And quite illogical to be honest.
If I would be someone to give advice, I'd say wait till the end of the year and drop it now unless you're a dedicated MS enthusiast.
As for the above analogy - I prefer computer emulation than.

I had an omnia 7 for 6 months and now have a desire Hd. I loved the omnia and windows phone 7 for a couple of months, but I became tired of waiting for the "march" update and brought a dell streak, which within a week the screen and glass broke So got the desire HD. I have to admit I'm loving putting custom roms on this, but looking at the vids and pictures and demos of the mango update; I'm seriously considering buying one of the new set of devices, mango loaded of course. Looking at the rumours of a 16mp 4.7inch 1.5ghz HTC wp7 device, that may draw me in Wp7 is so refined and i have tried out the ie9 browser in mango and it is seriously at least twice as fast as any android browser I've used, and 5 times faster than the crappy safari browser on my ipod touch.
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[Q] how can i overclock a windows phone 7 device

Can someone tell me if i can overclock my windows phone device ?

nooooooooooooooooooooooooot yet

What is the use of overclocking Windows phones? Wp OS is damn fast.

Extreme boy said:
What is the use of overclocking Windows phones? Wp OS is damn fast.
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i agree but there will always people like this... first they ask how to overclock, then they'll get the answer which is obviously no for the time being and they get all pissy and ***** about how android is better... bla bla bla.....

Extreme boy said:
What is the use of overclocking Windows phones? Wp OS is damn fast.
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To make playing games a more fluid experience, for one.

Underclocking is what i need
.. yeah, i need underclocking, not overclocking. Because when NAVIGON is running on my Omnia 7, it gets damned hot and sucks out the battery, even when connected to external power.

Extreme boy said:
What is the use of overclocking Windows phones? Wp OS is damn fast.
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i agree but i think wp7 has more potential than oder os out there

underclocking
the OS is very fast, i've the problem that the phone is too hot and it shutdown byself.
i see ther's some rom with hack speed cpu. Ther's no app to underclock?

u dont have to overclock if u are using a a phone using nand storage ( eg. LG samsung). It is already fast enough
overclocking will only drain the battery...
But hoever no one has managed to do it yet although it has been achieved in win mobile but i am sure its very possible because win mobile can overclock & underclock just by installing a couple of apps
setcpu, leocpu apps ect
if someone can port them over to winphone , that will be great
well u can do a few changes to the registry to speed up the OS if u are using a phone like Hd7 which uses sdcard for storage. these tweaks will give u a speed and response like 1.5Ghz wp 7 phones
3 of them
Disable d2d hardware acceleration for Internet explorer
This wll disable certain features of hardware acceleration in IE9 and swith to CPU rendering saving some battery life in web surfing and also faster more fluid graphics
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\software\Microsoft\windows\INTE RNET explorer\main\feature control/Feature Render with 2D/ (set Dword to 0)
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curre ntVersion\Internet Settings
Value name: MaxConnectionsPer1_0Server
Value data: 32
Value Name: MaxConnectionsPerServer
Value data: 16
this will speed up overall loading of graphics in the OS
\HKLM\System\GDI\GLYPHCACHE\limit=1048576
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speedyburnzales said:
.. yeah, i need underclocking, not overclocking. Because when NAVIGON is running on my Omnia 7, it gets damned hot and sucks out the battery, even when connected to external power.
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Underclock from 1 GHZ to 800 mhz will be fine .. 20% gain in battery life

Potential potential, i keep hearing about it......forget it, i have a 3 year old desire, released with 2.1, got 2.2, 2.3, 4.0 and now work being alpha release of 4.1 jelly been.
A Samsung focus 1st gen, with 4 incremental updates which basically give you nothing new, just what Microsoft forgot to add.....
And no development.....
What's the use of potential if i can't get any features of normal smartphones......never gonna buy a wp phone EVER
regards
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Yasir Javed Ansari said:
Potential potential, i keep hearing about it......forget it, i have a 3 year old desire, released with 2.1, got 2.2, 2.3, 4.0 and now work being alpha release of 4.1 jelly been.
A Samsung focus 1st gen, with 4 incremental updates which basically give you nothing new, just what Microsoft forgot to add.....
And no development.....
What's the use of potential if i can't get any features of normal smartphones......never gonna buy a wp phone EVER
regards
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So you came here just to tell us that? Cool, thank you for your input. Please come again.

Yasir Javed Ansari said:
Potential potential, i keep hearing about it......forget it, i have a 3 year old desire, released with 2.1, got 2.2, 2.3, 4.0 and now work being alpha release of 4.1 jelly been.
A Samsung focus 1st gen, with 4 incremental updates which basically give you nothing new, just what Microsoft forgot to add.....
And no development.....
What's the use of potential if i can't get any features of normal smartphones......never gonna buy a wp phone EVER
regards
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Bye bye, you wont be missed haha :silly:

Keefo said:
Bye bye, you wont be missed haha :silly:
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Vented my frustration actually, but still, i did expect more development for this OS then what's been actually done....
Maybe you guys don't agree and are satisfied with it....
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Yasir Javed Ansari said:
Vented my frustration actually, but still, i did expect more development for this OS then what's been actually done....
Maybe you guys don't agree and are satisfied with it....
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You see, the situation is this, you choose an OS that by its very nature is buggy, slow and in need of constant tweaking and modding, and that's fine, I used to be the same, id mod the significantly more moddable WM every other week.
But many of us have moved on, we want a phone that is just that, a phone, you pick it up and it works. I think its a perfectly valid statement to say that out of the box, WP IS a much better PHONE and contact (social/work) centre then iOS or Android, you will note the "out of the box" by that I mean, you don't need to install anything extra
Now its all down to personal preference, what's odd about your comment is that, very rarely do you see us going over to another forum that your not actively participating in and then drop comments like that which by its own nature will wind people up, its a little bit disrespectful to be honest.
Ive had WM WP and various Androids on mu HD2 and suffice to say, android will never grace its NAND again, not because its not any good, but because for my needs, WP is significantly better than anything else, I don't need to mod it, I don't want to mod it, I just want it to work

dazza9075 said:
You see, the situation is this, you choose an OS that by its very nature is buggy, slow and in need of constant tweaking and modding, and that's fine, I used to be the same, id mod the significantly more moddable WM every other week.
But many of us have moved on, we want a phone that is just that, a phone, you pick it up and it works. I think its a perfectly valid statement to say that out of the box, WP IS a much better PHONE and contact (social/work) centre then iOS or Android, you will note the "out of the box" by that I mean, you don't need to install anything extra
Now its all down to personal preference, what's odd about your comment is that, very rarely do you see us going over to another forum that your not actively participating in and then drop comments like that which by its own nature will wind people up, its a little bit disrespectful to be honest.
Ive had WM WP and various Androids on mu HD2 and suffice to say, android will never grace its NAND again, not because its not any good, but because for my needs, WP is significantly better than anything else, I don't need to mod it, I don't want to mod it, I just want it to work
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Reply appreciated , I'm just trying to work out both of my phones.....maybe I'll understand the wp7 mentality with time.... It really is down to simple preferences......wp7 has much better integration then others out of box, but marketplace is very poor, dont you agree ? I mean the YouTube app is just a link to mobile website......maybe it needs more time....
Anyways....I'm off .
Regards
Yasir
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I like android and I like IOS and windows phone. I like apples and oranges and banana's. I treat each fruit as what they are a different fruit. You wont see me running around a hate apples they don't taste like oranges. lol

Yasir Javed Ansari said:
Reply appreciated , I'm just trying to work out both of my phones.....maybe I'll understand the wp7 mentality with time.... It really is down to simple preferences......wp7 has much better integration then others out of box, but marketplace is very poor, dont you agree ? I mean the YouTube app is just a link to mobile website......maybe it needs more time....
Anyways....I'm off .
Regards
Yasir
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The marketplace is very poor?
Again that depends on your needs, at this moment in time I have about half a dozen apps installed, I cant think of anything else I want on it, so from my perspective the market place is actually perfect.
I don't have a need to install dozens upon dozens of apps, I don't need 1000 different torch apps. There are two reasons for this, firstly I simply have no need for anything else at the moment, secondly I refuse to get tied in to a marketplace, buys stacks of apps, then forever feel I am chained to that OS forever because moving would essentially mean throwing away all the apps I've already purchased and potentially buying them again.
Tell me, lets say over the course of you OS choice, you spend £50 on apps, then all of a sudden your world is rocked to its bones when the "Enemy" releases an OS version that actually suites your needs better than your Current OS, would you take the phone that is better for you and throw away £50 or would at the very least feel compelled to stay with your current OS choice and make do.
Don't be so quick to answer that, I can promise you at the very least the argument will crop up in your mind, when in fact there should be no argument at all, the phone that does what you need it to do the best IS the best choice...

[Q] Best phone period

Im looking into picking a new phone, but like most of us I have a hard time deciding whats better to get after having the phone I thought was the greatest. So I Want to see what phone to get next, or what devices to consider, as well see what features to look for next, I was just happy when the Droid inc (1GHz processing power, 8MP Cam, and 512 MBs RAM) was announced and I still am when I look at and think about it. SO my question to the entire Community, What is the best phone, OS, ROM, Features, and why?
Phone EX: Nexus one, HTC EVO, HTC Touch Pro, LG Quantum
Custom built EX: HTC HD2 Running Windows phone 7,
Motorola Droid Running (Custom ROM or Stock)
or even a concept phone; 10MP Cam, Android 2.2, dual core, qwerty keyboard, etc.
Current:
PhoneInc, ROM:Incredible RMX 2
Tablet:Asus Transformer, ROM:Revolver

the only 2 phones worth considering are:
SGS2
Nexus 3
or wait another months for the next best phones to come out, but by then you can wait another 3 months, and then even better phones are around the corner

i made a spec sheet for iOS/Android/Windows phones in my sig.
please feel free to check it out and contribute if you can.
thanks.
hopefully this will help you in getting the right device this holiday season.

AllGamer said:
the only 2 phones worth considering are:
SGS2
Nexus 3
or wait another months for the next best phones to come out, but by then you can wait another 3 months, and then even better phones are around the corner
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lol I see your point, but there's nothing i'm that excited about. I do like the HTC rhyme, (if it wasn't purple). What are the specs on the Nexus 3?
aohus said:
i made a spec sheet for iOS/Android/Windows phones in my sig.
please feel free to check it out and contribute if you can.
thanks.
hopefully this will help you in getting the right device this holiday season.
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Thank you, I like the looks of the Sensation XE, But I'm in the US how can I get it on verizon? if you know, and that HTC Holiday, but again, verizon.

the Nexus 3 is basically SGS2 but with a 5MP camera instead of 8MP, but improved screen SAMOLED+ HD 720p resolution
tech spec for the SGS2 are everywhere

best phone
Hi
according to gsmarena is SAMSUNG GALAXY SII
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because it aggregates new processor technology bringing 2 cores concept.

reinaldo4253 said:
Hi
according to gsmarena is SAMSUNG GALAXY SII
h t t p : / / w w w .g s m a r e n a . c o m /samsung_i9100_galaxy_s_ii-3621.php[/url]
because it aggregates new processor technology bringing 2 cores concept.
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Let me help you out with that mate...
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i9100_galaxy_s_ii-3621.php
Incidentally, to make it easier for people (till you get enough posts to post links), just change the http to hxxp. That seems like a commonly accepted way of posting links that aren't links (and it's easier for people to correct in their address bar!)

Nexus 3 is what I'm waiting for.. .iphone 5 is sounding real sexy too at the moment. Seems like it will be the thinnest phone once it releases.on top of its sexy teardrop all aluminum design reminiscent of the MacBook air from what I've read (all speculations)Too bad ios sucks!
Sticking to android and probably give wp7 a try once better phones are out.
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But giving up my 8MP cam and I've never really been to big a Samsung anything fan. But I do like the gorilla glass idea. And what are the best rumered specs about the Iphone 5 even thou I probably won't buy it?
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As much as I dislike HTC, the HTC titan is in a league of it's own as far as phones go. With processing power, it's not the absolute best. The thing is though, that only matters on an OS like android where it will only run remotely decent even with a top-end processor. Aside from that it sports a massive screen, ffc for video chat, solid body, up to 32 gigs internal, and most importantly windows phone 7. I'm sorry, but I don't buy high-end hardware to put an OS on it that was and is intended for crap hardware. My OS needs to keep up with me. Can I customize my phone to the point that it is unstable, slow, but reflects me? No. I can add numerous tiles with all kinds of pictures on a dynamic UI which totally beats a background image for me. Android is great if customization is your ONLY concern, for quality, speed, social integration, gaming,business, media, and pretty much anything else you'd be ripping yourself off if you went any way but the windows phone 7 way.

iphone5，next google phone

I honestly think that the Samsung Galaxy S II is the best phone out there, befor i bought it i read tons of comparisons and articles

Nexus prime with ics !!!!!!
Nexus Prime is supposed to be coming out in the next 2 weeks WITH ICS!!!!
I would personally want the MIUI phone / M1 but I doubt it will make it out of China.

abhi63 said:
Nexus Prime is supposed to be coming out in the next 2 weeks WITH ICS!!!!
I would personally want the MIUI phone / M1 but I doubt it will make it out of China.
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Whats the MIUI phone? the phone I used to want (though probably outdated now) was called the first else phone, and it was only sold in the middle east, but everyone seems to be on samsung now, I just cant be excited about that, esp since everything I would buy from them usually looks alot better than it preforms. The two phones that top my list now thou would be the Sensation XE, and the Rhyme(almost to the point where the color doesn't even matter)
But I have heard alot of good about the nexus prime. I just feel like if I actually knew how how to program it would be of that much more use to me.

You must smoke crack
z33dev33l said:
As much as I dislike HTC, the HTC titan is in a league of it's own as far as phones go. With processing power, it's not the absolute best. The thing is though, that only matters on an OS like android where it will only run remotely decent even with a top-end processor. Aside from that it sports a massive screen, ffc for video chat, solid body, up to 32 gigs internal, and most importantly windows phone 7. I'm sorry, but I don't buy high-end hardware to put an OS on it that was and is intended for crap hardware. My OS needs to keep up with me. Can I customize my phone to the point that it is unstable, slow, but reflects me? No. I can add numerous tiles with all kinds of pictures on a dynamic UI which totally beats a background image for me. Android is great if customization is your ONLY concern, for quality, speed, social integration, gaming,business, media, and pretty much anything else you'd be ripping yourself off if you went any way but the windows phone 7 way.
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Djay1809 said:
Im looking into picking a new phone, but like most of us I have a hard time deciding whats better to get after having the phone I thought was the greatest. So I Want to see what phone to get next, or what devices to consider, as well see what features to look for next, I was just happy when the Droid inc (1GHz processing power, 8MP Cam, and 512 MBs RAM) was announced and I still am when I look at and think about it. SO my question to the entire Community, What is the best phone, OS, ROM, Features, and why?
Phone EX: Nexus one, HTC EVO, HTC Touch Pro, LG Quantum
Custom built EX: HTC HD2 Running Windows phone 7,
Motorola Droid Running (Custom ROM or Stock)
or even a concept phone; 10MP Cam, Android 2.2, dual core, qwerty keyboard, etc.
Current:
PhoneInc, ROM:Incredible RMX 2
Tablet:Asus Transformer, ROM:Revolver
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Stay away from WM7 on an HD2 if you want the card slot to survive. It will kill the card slot. Mine, I can run WM7, but if I try to flash Android or other ROMs, the card slot won't work. WM7 runs from the card in the slot excessively and wears it out. WM7 just isn't worth it.

Imho I have used the Samsung epic and also the EVO 4g (not the 3d) and have noticed that the EVO is by far the best one out of the two... Also the most customizable in the sense if being able to switch from sense 3.0 to 3.5 and to asop...
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b1337 said:
You must smoke crack
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not at all, I just know my stuff.

z33dev33l said:
not at all, I just know my stuff.
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well the only exception to your analogy is the sgs 2 or a totally stock/cyano/miui rom, according to my experience from my hd2 and captivate days. If it's sense, you can expect it to lagg, even when you have nothing on your homescreen.
That aside, I have to agree, WP7 is a great piece of work. Micro created a smooth, simple UI/OS that competes with apple in all those terms and maybe even better in some aspects. What Micro is "copying" from Apple is making phones that run on the "same specs". And the advantage to that is any app placed on the market will be able to run on all WP7 phones, unlike some android apps, which will work on a certain phone but not another.
What i don't like however is that really, all of them look the same (UI/appearance). It makes me feel like i don't have anything special. Which is the same with an iPhone(a stock one atleast). Atleast with android I can customize my status/notificaton bar, change my launcher layout/appearance, change certain effects e.g. overscroll glow to bouncy, change my lockscreen, change my icons, change my settings/menu appearance, which overall means i can have a phone that's different than the next or atleast appears different. (note also the lagg that you state coming from all this customization was atleast non apparent to me in my hd2 days, and for me now in my sgs 2)
Now I may be wrong about WP7 as i haven't even checked on the hacks/customization available since my HD2 days running WP7.

b1337 said:
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I don't think so, you obviously have not done a genuine unbiased eval.

Are Lumia 800 Good ?

I plan to buy a new phone, i am using S2 right now, but i want one more phone , so i will like to hear from you all suggestion about the Lumia 800 is worthy or not??
THX

Owned an S2 myself... After using the lumia 800 everything else just seems slower and lesser.

z33dev33l said:
Owned an S2 myself... After using the lumia 800 everything else just seems slower and lesser.
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Troll alert.
The Lumia 800 is a beautiful phone, but still very limited when it comes to apps and features when compared to the SGS2.

Toss3 said:
Troll alert.
The Lumia 800 is a beautiful phone, but still very limited when it comes to apps and features when compared to the SGS2.
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i think there is a big Potential in apps for window phone in future !!

Windows phone is far from limited in terms of apps. If you want live wallpapers and an aesthetic clash, go android. I prefer a visually appealing OS to having a wallpaper that moves. Plus, there's still not an android phone that runs as fluid as a wp7 device. It doesn't matter how many cores they throw at it.

z33dev33l, i was trolling in that google/motorola vs apple thread, and i came across you. in all honesty, i had never considered a windows phone only because i havent seen windows market/push them hard (yet...) and i wasnt sure if they would be around for long. perhaps that's just me being naive, because seeing the decline of companies like RIM does put the ebb/flow of the cellphone business a little more into perspective. and i do believe windows are good phones (mainly from user reviews on various sites.) so, the possibility of windows picking-up market share is more of a reality. what are your thoughts on microsoft's long-term commitment in the cellular arena?

Android is open source. You can play xbox games on your android phone using the ONLIVE app.
You also get custom roms on android everything else windows doesn't
Before wen i was un educated i pursuaded my friend to get a windows phone but then i got a android phone and he was so jealous
OMG. Counter Strike On Android! http://cs-portable.net/

atljatl said:
z33dev33l, i was trolling in that google/motorola vs apple thread, and i came across you. in all honesty, i had never considered a windows phone only because i havent seen windows market/push them hard (yet...) and i wasnt sure if they would be around for long. perhaps that's just me being naive, because seeing the decline of companies like RIM does put the ebb/flow of the cellphone business a little more into perspective. and i do believe windows are good phones (mainly from user reviews on various sites.) so, the possibility of windows picking-up market share is more of a reality. what are your thoughts on microsoft's long-term commitment in the cellular arena?
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Honestly, Microsoft sucks at pushing their products. They are a software company primarily for computers so they're used to the OEMs pushing for them. With companies like Nokia, that's an excellent plan because Nokia is everything a cellular company should be. Unfortunately, the other OEM's are more concerned with marketing the size of your processor over the software.
MattyOnXperiaX10 said:
Android is open source. You can play xbox games on your android phone using the ONLIVE app.
You also get custom roms on android everything else windows doesn't
Before wen i was un educated i pursuaded my friend to get a windows phone but then i got a android phone and he was so jealous
OMG. Counter Strike On Android! http://cs-portable.net/
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xbox with onlive is hardly comparable to true XBL integration, wp7 already takes care of what custom roms are meant to achieve without the need for flashing, it runs smoother and lasts much longer on the same battery. I find the part about your education prompting your choice to be largely ironic given your post quality and your friend is fortunate.

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Honestly, Microsoft sucks at pushing their products. They are a software company primarily for computers so they're used to the OEMs pushing for them. With companies like Nokia, that's an excellent plan because Nokia is everything a cellular company should be. Unfortunately, the other OEM's are more concerned with marketing the size of your processor over the software.
xbox with onlive is hardly comparable to true XBL integration, wp7 already takes care of what custom roms are meant to achieve without the need for flashing, it runs smoother and lasts much longer on the same battery. I find the part about your education prompting your choice to be largely ironic given your post quality and your friend is fortunate.
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Okay let me explain again. Android is open source, so for many, you are able to flash different roms and totally Re_Arrange.
On windows its totally boring, same look all the time.
Second, new android phones have become much faster and battery life has dramatically improved considering all the things you can do on android and all the things people run on their phone.
(Droid razr maxx is an example, 2x the battery life of any windows phone)
My third point is the low amount of apps windows phones have, its such a boring market place with nothing on it, you dont get to experiance the games that android users can
Fourth point, us android users can do virtually anything with our phone, we can run windows xp, we can get a home launcher that is the same as windows 7/ apple or anything else.
Phones like the nokia lumia are such bad value for money because the phone has virtually nothing. It has nothing on android or apple.
People say windows operating system is fast/ well not anymore, us android users are now on dual and quad core so get of your hateraid
OMG. Counter Strike On Android! http://cs-portable.net/

I was playing counter strike from my dual core android phone, you cant do that on a windows phone.
I can download all my songs of my phone on android(for free but im not gonna tell u where)
I was playing saints row 3 on onlive and dirt 3 which is a little fun experiance that no other experiance that i can get that windows cant.
I have loads of apps to choose from /windows doesnt.
I basically theres nothing windows is fast at really
OMG. Counter Strike On Android! http://cs-portable.net/

z33dev33l said:
Honestly, Microsoft sucks at pushing their products. xbox with onlive is hardly comparable to true XBL integration, wp7 already takes care of what custom roms are meant to achieve without the need for flashing, it runs smoother and lasts much longer on the same battery. I find the part about your education prompting your choice to be largely ironic given your post quality and your friend is fortunate.
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I find that your argument is flawed somewhat. Android users who frequent these forums tend to stay with Android because they enjoy tinkering with their phones. Something that is simply not possible on WP7. We dont care about XBL integration, we care about custom roms and overclocking...

johnston9234 said:
I find that your argument is flawed somewhat. Android users who frequent these forums tend to stay with Android because they enjoy tinkering with their phones. Something that is simply not possible on WP7. We dont care about XBL integration, we care about custom roms and overclocking...
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^ Windows Phone users do flash custom roms. I flashed my hd7 all the time, I had to unlock it and flash it just to change the search provider from Bing.
On Android I use Spark 360 for XBL integration.
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MattyOnXperiaX10 said:
I was playing counter strike from my dual core android phone, you cant do that on a windows phone.
I can download all my songs of my phone on android(for free but im not gonna tell u where)
I was playing saints row 3 on onlive and dirt 3 which is a little fun experiance that no other experiance that i can get that windows cant.
I have loads of apps to choose from /windows doesnt.
I basically theres nothing windows is fast at really
OMG. Counter Strike On Android! http://cs-portable.net/
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great !! android lover !!

I can just agree with z33dev33l . WP is just smoother and the whole system is more fluid even with one core. Yes you cant modify it the way you can do that with android, but I dont think that you need to. I had a Radar before my Nexus S and I regretted swaping it for the Nexus S because on single core android isnt the smoothest. A few days ago I ve switched back to an HD7 and I love it.
I think you wont regret buying one WP7 device, if you like the Metro style. The Lumia 800 is good but maybe after the S2 the screen is smaller a bit.
BTW: you have the opportunity to flash a custom rom for some WP7 devices (eg.:HD7, but not easy like on android) but you dont need to because its good as it is.

You must haven't tried ICS? It pawns Mango in every way except email. Speed and fluidity.
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I love android phone..

They both have their pros and cons.
I love both OS' but visually and fluid performance, I'd go with WP7. Everything else, Android.
*Disclaimer* My opinion does not speak for the rest of the individuals on this forum.

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You must haven't tried ICS? It pawns Mango in every way except email. Speed and fluidity.
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how was the battery drain in ICS ? i heard the nova launcher is a issue of battery drain also ?!

If you want hardware, get Lumia.
If you want software, get Android.

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If you want hardware, get Lumia.
If you want software, get Android.
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You said that backwards.
Most of these posts are just comical, vetvito was, as usual a riot.
Matty, you've clearly never used or even read anything about WP7. Blind arguments are the funniest.

Help me decide. Windows vs Android.

I've kinda gotten tired of Android. Not entirely, but as a Mobile OS. I feel I use a phone on Android 10x more than a phone on another OS. Seriously, my average screen on time is 8 hours at the least. I flash Roms, and softbreak my phone 10+ times a week. Tired would be the wrong, I just need an OS that has less. I've been growing fond of Windows Phone. I enjoy the OS, the simplistic look. There's not much you can really do with it, and it just works. All phones on 7.5 are updating to 7.8(Which is 8, but for lower end devices). Mostly all Windows phones that where on 7.0, got updated to 7.5. So what am I saying? All there devices are being updated. There's been on device that's been peaking my interest. The Nokia Lumia 900. By Black Jesus this is a beautiful phone, and I love Nokia. This phone is getting the 7.8 update. The Nokia 920 seems like an even better device. I love android, and I have a Kindle running AOKP Jellybean. But that's all I can see my Android love going as of now. Can anybody convince me otherwise?

I hate windows in fact I am a nokia fan eversince the old 3210. This phone is just my 2nd android device while I already own 32 nokia devices. And the reason I jump off nokia is also because of dumping maemo/meego OS over windows. But hey I'm not here to rant over windows In fact base on your perspective I am recommending you windows over android. Windows maybe annoying to me but I can't deny the fact that it is very stable compared to android and just suites your taste based on this thread. Development on that part is also active than you think. There's dual booting stuffs and custom ROMs also. So my say would be go ahead with windows and don't get pulled down by the open source support hype(android is open source and we can mod it all we want) which is not so true in real life as you can see in our situation with mt4gs I think. Since they might be open source but almost all components aren't.

Riyal said:
I hate windows in fact I am a nokia fan eversince the old 3210. This phone is just my 2nd android device while I already own 32 nokia devices. And the reason I jump off nokia is also because of dumping maemo/meego OS over windows. But hey I'm not here to rant over windows In fact base on your perspective I am recommending you windows over android. Windows maybe annoying to me but I can't deny the fact that it is very stable compared to android and just suites your taste based on this thread. Development on that part is also active than you think. There's dual booting stuffs and custom ROMs also. So my say would be go ahead with windows and don't get pulled down by the open source support hype(android is open source and we can mod it all we want) which is not so true in real life as you can see in our situation with mt4gs I think. Since they might be open source but almost all components aren't.
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Can you share why you don't like Windows Phone?
Also, I have carpel from holding my phone to much XO Thats sad :3

It's all about linux. I am a linux programmer/System Admin & I just feel attached to it. Now seeing android being the most closest OS to linux I can't help myself but to go with it. Like I mentioned this is just my 2nd android device. My previous device before android which is a nokia phablet(n900) runs pure linux but nokia decided to discontinue it due to windows. So basically I hated windows for
1 it replaced my favorite OS of choice and made me stay away from nokia.
2nd I like linux terminal over command prompt
3rd I like android live wallpaper.

Riyal said:
It's all about linux. I am a linux programmer/System Admin & I just feel attached to it. Now seeing android being the most closest OS to linux I can't help myself but to go with it. Like I mentioned this is just my 2nd android device. My previous device before android which is a nokia phablet(n900) runs pure linux but nokia decided to discontinue it due to windows. So basically I hated windows for
1 it replaced my favorite OS of choice and made me stay away from nokia.
2nd I like linux terminal over command prompt
3rd I like android live wallpaper.
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Anything from a user experience stand point?

That's why I referred you to windows For me Windows Phone beats android UE in any possible angle.

Riyal said:
That's why I referred you to windows For me Windows Phone beats android UE in any possible angle.
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Nice, I have an HTC Radar right now. It was my brothers, and I'm enjoying it. I'm running one of the Custom Roms for it. Not much a difference other than some Nokia features, and it's unlocked(rooted). It's fast, and the Keyboard isn't half bad for a touchscreen. I'm missing widgets tho' :T

I was also impressed with the 920. I had an old Nokia flip phone way back, and it never failed. Their build quality is superb.
I'm pretty sure some version of booting android will show up at some point for this device as well. Two of my friends have Windows Phones, and the OS seems even more fluid and visually appealing than Apple's
I'd say go for it.
I would too, but I made a promise to keep my device for another year. Plus, I'm in love with all the options for Android.

That new lumia looks impressive actually. There's a vid on youtube with a guy hammering in a nail with the touchscreen side and the phone still being good. On top of that, he pulled the 2x4 by the nail to show it was hammered in pretty good.
Honestly though, I love android as my personal user preference. Then again, I've never swayed a friend from an iphone either. If you decide to go with windows, I would personally think lumia. Sleek and sturdy. Its all about what you want in your phone.
Then again, I would do some research first. Comparing the iphone 4s/sgs3/lumia is what I would look at though. The best (so to speak) of each os currently.

Noooooo don't do it your gonna regret it
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why not get a windows phone and see how you like it?
there are some amazing deals on unlocked devices.
I think it's fine to give yourself a rest from these things. There's so much going on in the android world that you can suffer update fatigue and information overload!
And if nothing else it means you'll have a working phone for the times when your android device is bricked. Just don't let your friends see you using it, otherwise they'll expect you to be their expert, and will also assume you've sold out!

How about getting an Android phone and using a windows phone 7 themed launcher on it? That way you get the best of both worlds.
Whenever you like, you switch from the simplistic view and go all out in terms of features and functionality by just a switch of launchers
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I'd go with a windows phone. Smooth interface, no lockups ever, and and it just works. The wp8 phones coming out look pretty nice.
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I feel u ACC
I have noticed I am kind of getting tired of the same thing over and over on Android... Maybe it's just this device tho because I always loved android until this device... Maybe that's why..
I really look forward to getting either a Note 2 or the next Nexus.. Until then I am really butthurt with the DS. I hate sliders, hate that no HTC support. Hate HTC. Hate small screen. Hate crappy resolution. Hate the design of this phone.
Sorry for the rant.
I hope that you love Windows phone tho bud! I've used a girls WP7 and it was very very smooth, however you can't do much on it, very smooth!
::Respect::

lesd777 said:
I'd go with a windows phone. Smooth interface, no lockups ever, and and it just works. The wp8 phones coming out look pretty nice.
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It just works.... By that logic we should all be sporting iTurds though
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The Lumia 920 looks fantastic. That being said, you don't have many options in terms of customization.

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I've kinda gotten tired of Android. Not entirely, but as a Mobile OS. I feel I use a phone on Android 10x more than a phone on another OS. Seriously, my average screen on time is 8 hours at the least. I flash Roms, and softbreak my phone 10+ times a week. Tired would be the wrong, I just need an OS that has less. I've been growing fond of Windows Phone. I enjoy the OS, the simplistic look. There's not much you can really do with it, and it just works. All phones on 7.5 are updating to 7.8(Which is 8, but for lower end devices). Mostly all Windows phones that where on 7.0, got updated to 7.5. So what am I saying? All there devices are being updated. There's been on device that's been peaking my interest. The Nokia Lumia 900. By Black Jesus this is a beautiful phone, and I love Nokia. This phone is getting the 7.8 update. The Nokia 920 seems like an even better device. I love android, and I have a Kindle running AOKP Jellybean. But that's all I can see my Android love going as of now. Can anybody convince me otherwise?
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What's there to decide?
Steve balmer is a royal ASSHOLE, and every single thing MS has ever produced has been a complete and unmatched piece of over priced SH1T.

Windows phone has been a nice change. I find my phone lasting around two days in average. This is with my RSS Feed, GMail, 4 hours of phone calls, and 1000 text. My phones so tiny for my hands tho' Xo The HTC Radar is supposed to get Windows 7.8. I called HTC, and they confirmed it would be getting the update. But not until the Nokia Lumia got it (Since they're Microsoft's partner). I have a GBC emulator which is the most important thing to me. They is a GBA one, but it can only play certain games. All together I'm happy. I got this phone from my Brother, and I didn't bother paying 150 for a replacement phone. I'm just going to wait for my upgrade, and get a One S (free for a couple months now). Then I'm going to sell it, and buy a Lumia 920 when it comes out. I'm happy, I'm not done with Android. It just feels the same to me. AOSP, Sense, TouchWiz, Blur. There all based off the same thing, and no matter what phone I have. I'm rocking an AOSP Rom. I just want a phone that works out the box, not one where I'm rooting to get battery percentage. One where I need to root in order to get my battery to last me a day. I'm tired of waking up and seeing the HTC One XXL + Limited Edition Ultra Max. A phone that is the International Version, but in America with a 2G of Ram. :T Oh Yeah, and it has a bigger battery. I just need a break from Android.

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Windows phone has been a nice change. I find my phone lasting around two days in average. This is with my RSS Feed, GMail, 4 hours of phone calls, and 1000 text. My phones so tiny for my hands tho' Xo The HTC Radar is supposed to get Windows 7.8. I called HTC, and they confirmed it would be getting the update. But not until the Nokia Lumia got it (Since they're Microsoft's partner). I have a GBC emulator which is the most important thing to me. They is a GBA one, but it can only play certain games. All together I'm happy. I got this phone from my Brother, and I didn't bother paying 150 for a replacement phone. I'm just going to wait for my upgrade, and get a One S (free for a couple months now). Then I'm going to sell it, and buy a Lumia 920 when it comes out. I'm happy, I'm not done with Android. It just feels the same to me. AOSP, Sense, TouchWiz, Blur. There all based off the same thing, and no matter what phone I have. I'm rocking an AOSP Rom. I just want a phone that works out the box, not one where I'm rooting to get battery percentage. One where I need to root in order to get my battery to last me a day. I'm tired of waking up and seeing the HTC One XXL + Limited Edition Ultra Max. A phone that is the International Version, but in America with a 2G of Ram. :T Oh Yeah, and it has a bigger battery. I just need a break from Android.
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I dunno man. Honestly I feel like the DS community is too small, in part because the MT4GS didn't go global. As a result we don't quite have that support ROM wise. I mean we have the standards, Virtuous Infinity, CM9 and Jellybean but both aren't quite stable and I don't see the devs working on CM9 stability at all. XMC has done his job for Jellybean and it's a DD rom for me but not quite stable. IDK maybe it just bothers me we don't have an even close to stable MIUI or the other roms that all the big phone release's have support wise.
I think if you got the next Nexus, the S3, or the GNEX you'd see so much rom support! All in all, I'd go for a phone with more devs over Windows. My friend bought a Lumia 900 and he loved it for a while, but eventually he just couldn't stand the lack of apps. Sure it was smooth but in the end he went back to his G-Note.

Appogee said:
I dunno man. Honestly I feel like the DS community is too small, in part because the MT4GS didn't go global. As a result we don't quite have that support ROM wise. I mean we have the standards, Virtuous Infinity, CM9 and Jellybean but both aren't quite stable and I don't see the devs working on CM9 stability at all. XMC has done his job for Jellybean and it's a DD rom for me but not quite stable. IDK maybe it just bothers me we don't have an even close to stable MIUI or the other roms that all the big phone release's have support wise.
I think if you got the next Nexus, the S3, or the GNEX you'd see so much rom support! All in all, I'd go for a phone with more devs over Windows. My friend bought a Lumia 900 and he loved it for a while, but eventually he just couldn't stand the lack of apps. Sure it was smooth but in the end he went back to his G-Note.
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The G-Note is the Ultimate Android device, especially on Jellybean. I forget how amazing that device is. I might need to rethink Windows Phone...but as of now. I want a 920