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You think Ice Cream Sandwich will make the NS obsolete?

Anyone else think that Ice Cream will make the NS seem outdated and slow compared to the newer phones of HTC like the DHD, Incredible S and Desire S which have better processors and more ram?
Thinking of actually getting an htc again because of this lol Given the choice would you trade for one of the newer htc phones because of superior hardware alone?

Have fun waiting months for a update to it and using sense for ice cream
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kingofthebraves said:
Anyone else think that Ice Cream will make the NS seem outdated and slow compared to the newer phones of HTC like the DHD, Incredible S and Desire S which have better processors and more ram?
Thinking of actually getting an htc again because of this lol Given the choice would you trade for one of the newer htc phones because of superior hardware alone?
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They do have more ram but the processor on the nexus s is way better than the snapdragon on these devices you mentioned.
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how so?
I'm having some difficulties running fruit ninja with wifi on and syncing in the background. Everything just slows down. Same when running music in the background and playing fruit ninja at the same time. Beginning to not like this phone
Running SuperAOSP overclocked to 1300 on demand

kingofthebraves said:
Anyone else think that Ice Cream will make the NS seem outdated and slow compared to the newer phones of HTC like the DHD, Incredible S and Desire S which have better processors and more ram?
Thinking of actually getting an htc again because of this lol Given the choice would you trade for one of the newer htc phones because of superior hardware alone?
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Phone is running great for me, i assume you are talking abotu ice cream sandwhch, which is gonna merge honeycombe and gingerbread?
If anything it will make me love my phone even more!

bringonblink said:
Phone is running great for me, i assume you are talking abotu ice cream sandwhch, which is gonna merge honeycombe and gingerbread?
If anything it will make me love my phone even more!
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You think a phone without hardware and softkey buttons would be easy to use? I'm a bit of a skeptic. Always enjoyed having to press something at the front to check for notifications.
damn, I'm still undecided if I'm gonna keep the NS or get the dhd or IS. Would you guys do it if you could?

kingofthebraves said:
You think a phone without hardware and softkey buttons would be easy to use? I'm a bit of a skeptic. Always enjoyed having to press something at the front to check for notifications.
damn, I'm still undecided if I'm gonna keep the NS or get the dhd or IS. Would you guys do it if you could?
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I'm using honeycomb right now and I love the screen keys. Don't judge it until you try it.
Its like, physical keyboard vs on screen keyboard.
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kingofthebraves said:
Anyone else think that Ice Cream will make the NS seem outdated and slow compared to the newer phones of HTC like the DHD, Incredible S and Desire S which have better processors and more ram?
Thinking of actually getting an htc again because of this lol Given the choice would you trade for one of the newer htc phones because of superior hardware alone?
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I guess, you were actually attracted by those HTC devices because of the hardware
However, most of us here in Nexus S community, we choose Nexus S because it is pure google android.
And so, we're able to create greater and greater kernel and rom.
Yes! DHD and IS with 768 ram is awesome!
BUT! please be remind that it drain battery very much as you tend to run more apps in background with such more free memory.
I think so far 512mb is sufficient as it is able to kill background empty apps automatically when ram is low.
You mention that you play ninja while wifi on and music playing, it will lack.
I have a few suggestion for you
1st, Get ANDMemory from the market, Run it at TOP SPEED optimization at auto.
(Or extreme if you want)
2, You can try Trinity Kernel 1.44, it will gives you more power
3, You can try to use less widget as they drain memory+battery.
Anything, you can just PM me and I am more than happy to help
Just for you info,
I run Fruit Ninja THD version (Not the normal version) with Chain Fire 3D, with 3G connection going on. No lack, smooth like butter

Ice Cream Sandwich wont make us outdate
We, Nexus S, as the google phone, will to get Ice Cream Sandwich OTA update once it roll out.
If you on HTC devices, Best of luck Look at what happen recently to HTC Desire? haha. What a joke!

window7 said:
Ice Cream Sandwich wont make us outdate
We, Nexus S, as the google phone, will to get Ice Cream Sandwich OTA update once it roll out.
If you on HTC devices, Best of luck Look at what happen recently to HTC Desire? haha. What a joke!
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They're still getting the OTA. But the general idea is that, we as true "Nexus" users don't like relying on manufacturers to do their part by releasing a OTA of the next Android version.
We like our phones:
1. Unbloated
2. New Android OS the week its announced.
3. Easy to unlock bootloader
And I honestly think those three factors are significant selling points in terms to the hardcore Android user. We can't fight specs, they get better and better everyday. However, we could fight on the battlefield in terms of software.
Hardware changes everyday and becomes better.
Software changes every couple of months and as Nexus users, we're guaranteed to get the updates asap without waiting 6+ months for the next update.

Smartphones have a life span of about 6 months these days. If you're lucky.
Unless you're content with the older software and hardware. But at the rate hardware is changing and the progression of software its hard to keep up to date without shelling out a bunch of cash every 6 months.
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zephiK said:
They're still getting the OTA. But the general idea is that, we as true "Nexus" users don't like relying on manufacturers to do their part by releasing a OTA of the next Android version.
We like our phones:
1. Unbloated
2. New Android OS the week its announced.
3. Easy to unlock bootloader
And I honestly think those three factors are significant selling points in terms to the hardcore Android user. We can't fight specs, they get better and better everyday. However, we could fight on the battlefield in terms of software.
Hardware changes everyday and becomes better.
Software changes every couple of months and as Nexus users, we're guaranteed to get the updates asap without waiting 6+ months for the next update.
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I truly agree what you said! +10chars
1. Unbloated
2. New Android OS the week its announced.
3. Easy to unlock bootloader
For the WIN!!

And we can even lock the bootloader back to claim warranty

the latest nexus s will not be obsolete. heck, look at how relevant the nexus one has been even after the nexus s has been out. ppl still use the n1 as their daily device.

p00kienrayray said:
the latest nexus s will not be obsolete. heck, look at how relevant the nexus one has been even after the nexus s has been out. ppl still use the n1 as their daily device.
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Yup. Kinda like how the G1 survived forever, and I think the G1 is still pretty strong today. Not as strong as how it was one or two yearsa ago (maybe I'm wrong because I dont follow the G1 forums anymore) but its dev community made the phone for what it is. The developer community and the "community" using that particular phone makes the phone.. well.. THE PHONE!
The only thing obsolete are these new phones coming out with Android 2.2 still. Gingerbread (2.3) has been out since late last year (December). It's now July 16, 2011.. six months later. How many phones have gotten Gingerbread officially? That's right only less than ten devices. Who's obsolete now?

csmall said:
Smartphones have a life span of about 6 months these days. If you're lucky.
Unless you're content with the older software and hardware. But at the rate hardware is changing and the progression of software its hard to keep up to date without shelling out a bunch of cash every 6 months.
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What a stupid ass statement. 6 months? LOL

Yeah.. they start reaching eol in about 6 months if you want to stay current/latest greatest. What's the nexus s at? Around 6? And I'm already considering dual (or more) core phones with better specs etc... in the very near future. Sure I could keep the nexus s for another 2 years, but I wont. Maybe you will.
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csmall said:
Yeah.. they start reaching eol in about 6 months if you want to stay current/latest greatest. What's the nexus s at? Around 6? And I'm already considering dual (or more) core phones with better specs etc... in the very near future. Sure I could keep the nexus s for another 2 years, but I wont. Maybe you will.
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It's more of an Android problem. The current Nexus S isn't being maxed out at what's possible. The software always lags the hardware. All Android has had over the last year are devices with better hardware yet that hasn't really made a lick of difference in performance.

meetagrawal said:
It's more of an Android problem. The current Nexus S isn't being maxed out at what's possible. The software always lags the hardware. All Android has had over the last year are devices with better hardware yet that hasn't really made a lick of difference in performance.
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That's exactly the point! Looking back at each version of Android, For SGS, 2.2 and 2.3 have really significant imporvement!

Ice cream sandwhich will be hardware accelarated so i would think it will be much smoother an they said it doesnt matter how old ur phone is u will be able to run it so wait an see
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So now we wait.....

What for?
Ice Cream Sandwich of course!
Release date is Q4 this year from Google.
Anyone know if it will work on our G2x's? It is 'supposed' to run on 'all' platforms!
Let the discussion begin!
DB

We still waiting for a finished gingerbread
I dont even see ice cream sandwich in my future with this phone
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Bored, are we? Why speculate on something that may or may not see the light of day for the G2x - I doubt the phone will still be in use when Android 10000.9 hits.
Gingerbread just hit and its not even a final release. Lets get GB 100% before we start *****ing and complaining about it not being able to boil water and pleasure the hamsters.
...on another note, I still await the day Android has half the media codex as Windows Mobile. I miss CorePlayer. These crappy media players for Android are a real let down.

Im actually pretty sure that Icecream sandwich will come to our phone through CyanogenMod 8. CM7 was supported on this phone pretty much from the get go and I doubt they would drop support so quickly.

jrharvey said:
Im actually pretty sure that Icecream sandwich will come to our phone through CyanogenMod 8. CM7 was supported on this phone pretty much from the get go and I doubt they would drop support so quickly.
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I am sure! I have GB running, and it seems to be running well. No problems installing, no other problems found so far.
Wish I could Skype with the cameras, but that is about all of my annoyances. Very happy with the phone, very happy with the GB OS. There maybe an update that makes it even better, but still...... ICS seems to be in our future!
DB

dabajan said:
I am sure! I have GB running, and it seems to be running well. No problems installing, no other problems found so far.
Wish I could Skype with the cameras, but that is about all of my annoyances. Very happy with the phone, very happy with the GB OS. There maybe an update that makes it even better, but still...... ICS seems to be in our future!
DB
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Dude, they haven't even released an official version of the Gingerbread and you're thinking of ICS? Let's see how the Gingerbread will go down and then maybe think about ICS.
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We have such little ram, I can't imagine it would be a pleasant experience.
You don't wanna know where this was sent from.

mmapcpro said:
We have such little ram, I can't imagine it would be a pleasant experience.
You don't wanna know where this was sent from.
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yep, I'm always thinking about what a complete waste this phone really is. Released with froyo, no dual core support drivers are crap and when/if we do ever get a fully functional gingerbread it will be at the end of its cycle and never really get its dual core support. Lg purposely gimped it with 512mb ram. A real shame. I fully expect to not ever see an official ICS release. All these dual cores being released with gingerbread ram requirements are going to be put to waste.
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After this am sticking to the nexus line unless LG makes it then ile run away to samsung or Htc
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mr mystery said:
yep, I'm always thinking about what a complete waste this phone really is. Released with froyo, no dual core support drivers are crap and when/if we do ever get a fully functional gingerbread it will be at the end of its cycle and never really get its dual core support. Lg purposely gimped it with 512mb ram. A real shame. I fully expect to not ever see an official ICS release. All these dual cores being released with gingerbread ram requirements are going to be put to waste.
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I honestly think 512mb of ram isn't a requirement for ICS. If that's the case then the Nexus S and Nexus One (which both have 512mb of ram) will be left in the past and I don't think Google is ready to stop yet. I foresee at least one more major update for the Nexus S (ICS) and then maybe Google will have more strict requirements. I think Google is more big on software rather than hardware. As for the G2x receiving ICS officially that will most likely not happen, especially since the G2x didn't make the expected sales LG were going for. Remember majority equals priority for these big name company's and majority don't own a G2x. Majority switched to the Sensation or whatever even exchange they can get. This will be my first and last LG phone unless the next line of Nexus is with LG (I hope its either HTC or Samsung for Super Amoled screen).
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i talked to a guy today, who said he overheard someone on an airplane bound for zimbabwe, that he heard from his girlfriend in argentina that ice cream sandwhich would be out by end of sept. for the g2x. woohoo!!!!!!!!!!!

I dunno where you get your info from, but they are wrong! I was told by Santa Clause, who heard it from the Easter Bunny, who won the info in a bet with a leprechaun that was running away from a unicorn while chasing the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, that Ice Cream Sandwich won't be available on the G2X until at least winter.

I ate an ice cream sandwich today...way better than gingerbread.

Has it been confirmed that Sensation will get ICS??

I'm curious, will the Sensation ever get ICS? I mean the device should be able to handle it right? It's not like its a lightweight contendor that can't hold its own with the "big boys".
I'm also not talking about ports but rather an actual release by HTC/Google?

I've read that ICS is supposed to "unite" all android phones under one OS so that it won't be staggered like it is now
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As soon as google makes the ics source public. The cm team will start working on cm8 which will definitely come out for the sensation
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It hasn't been confirmed but HTC has always been pretty good with their updates.

Well once we get ICS, HTC would probably have to make SENSE work on it ( cause we all know HTC doesn't want us using vanilla roms )

Even if the Sensation doesn't get ICS through an update someone will port the ROM to work with the phone anyway. So yes, in time we will get ICS no matter what.

Maybe stupid question, but what is the ICS?

vbjelic said:
Maybe stupid question, but what is the ICS?
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Ice Cream Sandwich, the next version of Android.

If htc put gingerbread on the original desire, the sensation will definitely get ics. Once we are on the Cyanogenmod build tree there will be cm8
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Google announced at I/O that they were in agreement with certain partners that all future phones would be supported for 18 months after release, giving them updates as long as the phone can handle it. HTC was one of these partners.

phoenx06 said:
Google announced at I/O that they were in agreement with certain partners that all future phones would be supported for 18 months after release, giving them updates as long as the phone can handle it. HTC was one of these partners.
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Was the sensation released before or after this agreement?
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After it was made.

phoenx06 said:
Google announced at I/O that they were in agreement with certain partners that all future phones would be supported for 18 months after release, giving them updates as long as the phone can handle it. HTC was one of these partners.
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No further details nor any set in stone requirements were ever publicly released after the basic info about that agreement went public.
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If Google and/or HTC don't bring ics to sensation,someone will.

GoogleFan said:
If Google and/or HTC don't bring ics to sensation,someone will.
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That's true. But having the official one would save people a lot of trouble
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No one can really "confirm" whether or not we will ever be upgraded with an official version of the next version of android OS, but knowing HTCs track record to device support, there's a pretty good chance.
Either way though, htc loves throwing sense over everything anyway, so it's really not a big deal for me if they do. Right now we're using Gingerbread with a Sense overlay, if we get upgraded, we'll just be using ICS with a Sense overlay...not a totally huge difference in the eyes of the end user.
I would much rather see an ICS port on xda. It'll likely come out sooner, and, like pretty much everything else on xda, will run better than what HTC comes out with anyway.

To HTC's credit, their rom releases are pretty decent compared to their competitors. But yes, sense lengthens the release window and adds months to development.
The Sensation is practically guaranteed Ice Cream Sandwich, but it likely won't be updated for several months after its release.

There were very minimal visual updates between gingerbread and froyo so huge sense UI overhauls weren't needed (they basically just added functionality) if the ics updates are as huge as everyone believes and hopes I'm sure sense will also include a massive overhaul. (For example if the ics launcher includes the 'holographic' interface it would idiotic imho for HTC not include that in there updated sense launcher)
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ICS is supposed to be optimized for dual core use, as well, so I would think that would add a little more credence to the idea that the Sensation will get it.

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Google announced at I/O that they were in agreement with certain partners that all future phones would be supported for 18 months after release, giving them updates as long as the phone can handle it. HTC was one of these partners.
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I just bought a Sensation, and I hope they will port ICS, but my Tattoo is running Gingerbeard smoothly (no as smoothly as in the Sensation, but as smoothly as it runs donut) and it's not oficial, because officially "Tattoo can't handle Android 2.0".

Samsunng Infuse 4g Android 4.0

Am I the only one thinking/hoping that we are getting Ice Cream Sandwich??? I mean it releases on October 11124 and we still don't have gingerbread you know? This is just hopeful thinking... it would be nice to have the absolute latest OS and features though
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Doubt it. We'll probably get Ginger in a week or two and come next year sometime, we'll get icecream.maybe.
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Nah... ATT is just slow.

Thumb rule: We are always a release behind

I don't mean to be pessimistic but that sounds very unlikely.
Maybe in the long run, but even that seems unlikely since new phones are coming out all the time.
Also, Samsung hasn't expressed much love for the Infuse so I doubt they would spend much time making an official ICS ROM for it.

bscotth said:
I don't mean to be pessimistic but that sounds very unlikely.
Maybe in the long run, but even that seems unlikely since new phones are coming out all the time.
Also, Samsung hasn't expressed much love for the Infuse so I doubt they would spend much time making an official ICS ROM for it.
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Yea I see what you're saying but I mean something should click in there heads to update a great phone with great firmware, jus makes it better...
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Chances of ICS on the Infuse - extremely slim.
They're pretty good for the GSII though.

Just hope for a leak.

KingVekxin said:
Yea I see what you're saying but I mean something should click in there heads to update a great phone with great firmware, jus makes it better...
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It's all about marketing man. Update a phone less, spend money advertising for a better phone (SGSII) and finally get a higher return in $.
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Hell no...
Ex captivate owners will tell you...
People forget that the captivate came with eclair and that gingerbread was released before the captivate even got froyo...
No we will not get ice cream sandwich before gingerbread ...
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I read a lot of places, sorry i do not have the links, that once they have it, it should work with anything, just the software mods itself when it is installed on the phone/tablet/computer (if they make any). It sounds pretty out there, but it is nice to dream. If it would work, then the only updates that the phones would need from the carriers/manufacturers are the modems and kernels.

I would say yes way down the line but the sgs2 is gonna get all the love
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I took the OP as are we gonna see 4.0 before 2.3.....and that answer is a big fat no....
Are we gonna get ICS at some point? Probably ...
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im probably wrong, but im for sure i read somewhere saying that ICS was gunna be an operating system that was like for all android phones? what i mean is that ICS is gunna be one platform for all android phones like iOS for the iphone. idk

Who cares..., am I the only one who thinks that AAAALLLLL the OS's look the freaking Sam with a different number? Its like with my infuse when we went from froyo to "gingerbread" the only real advantage I noticed was a couple of features added, like tthe FRONT facing camera working with Skype, and other silly stuff like that. For instance, MIUI is a whole new beast on its own but speed dial option is eluding me lol
I guess I'm more or less rudely asking for a bonus feature list from ICS.
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The Infuse is the new Optimus, aka poor mans smart phone. I had a customer tell me today he wouldnt give 2 squirts of piss for the Infuse, that pretty much sums it up.

steezinstangl said:
im probably wrong, but im for sure i read somewhere saying that ICS was gunna be an operating system that was like for all android phones? what i mean is that ICS is gunna be one platform for all android phones like iOS for the iphone. idk
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"all" in the generic sense - instead of having 2.x for phones and 3.x for tablets, 4.0 will support both phones and tablets.
However, every device that Android runs on needs customizations specific to the hardware. In many cases, those hardware drivers/libraries are closed source so it's not easy to port them unless the manufacturer does.
"all" in this case means a manufacturer can do a device bringup of 4.x on a tablet or a phone. But someone still needs to do the device bringup, and on a device with lots of closed-source proprietary bits, device bringup can be difficult if not impossible. Look at the state of CM7 for example - it didn't really get off the ground until Rogers released Gingerbread because the Froyo libraries weren't compatible with Gingerbread, and even with the Rogers proprietary bits, some things still don't work.

If it comes to the Infuse it won't be before May. Probably closer to a year from now.
The joys of fragmentation.
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Icecream Sandwick
I want icecream but For now I think i am going to stick to dlev rom cause it runs great.

Patience...it's coming
Alot of people don't really understand the process of releasing an OS update for an android. From what I can gather, Google releases the OS to the manufacturers which then tailor it to the individual phones. Then they release it to the providers (AT&T, Sprint etc.) which tailor it to their network and pollute it with bloatware. When they're sure it's somewhat error free, they release it to us.
AT&T for example, is frantically trying to finish their version, but they obviously have an issue or two...or twenty...who knows. They have to finish it, compile it, then do test updates, then test the updates and pray it worked. It takes time. I am far from patient so I already installed the GB 2.3.5 leak and can honestly say it's a major improvement. Bluetooth works better, everything is faster, and those annoying lags whenever you do a level 2 memory clear or detach the USB are fixed. But the leak has its issues, so I'm giving AT&T the benefit of the doubt and waiting to see if the mid October release actually happens. But since they lied and failed to deliver in September, I'm not holding my breath.
As far as ICS is concerned, I doubt AT&T has even had a chance to look at it yet. I would be amazed if we saw it this time next year. But we will get it. LOTS of people have the Infuse so it's not going to be left out or treated like a forgotten step-child like some people claim. It's a great phone with one of the nicest, biggest displays you can get, and it runs anything you throw at it even with its single core processor. What makes the Infuse bad is forcing it to run on AT&T.

Frustrated with ICS updates!

Bought this phone on the promise of an ICS upgrade which was posted right on Telus' product page to be January 2012.
This is my third Android and I know from experience if the manufacturer doesn't announce the update is in progress, at least a month prior to its due date, it's likely delayed at least a month.
Anyone else feel the same way?
Frankly, the update process is super rediculous. Three different manufacturers, all terrible at communicating!
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it's the same every year (it happened with eclair 2.1, froyo 2.2, it happened with gingerbread 2.3)
the flagship device will launch with the latest OS
then a few new devices of the same year launches with the latest OS
then 3 month later most last years phone get the new OS

your fault for buying something based on a promised update
a little research would have told you that it is not wise to do that... buy a phone based on what that phone is like today... not based on what the phone is promised to become at a later date.

Boo freakin' hoo, would you rather have a full functioning ROM or an ICS ROM pushed prematurely and have endless problems?
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Tipical from samsung... Maybe a Rom developer will make a port of ICS for this model...

zeekiz said:
Boo freakin' hoo, would you rather have a full functioning ROM or an ICS ROM pushed prematurely and have endless problems?
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Word. I don't see why everyone is so bent out of shape about ics.
Gingerbread functions well and ALL the apps I want to use work on it. Is this the case with ics?
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There is a brand called huawei. It announced ICS demo for x6 and uploaded the "enchanced" 2.3 rom for x5. do you know what? both of them is buggy as hell. x6 is the flagship, The first ICS update announced uploaded phone in world (at least they say) they uploaded 2.3.5 for x5 and they fcked with screen. now I can operate screen without touching.
Some devs are preparing ICS based roms for x5 but believe me none of them could finish them before feb. So I'm a x5 owner and I lost my hopes from updates. When after they introduced x6, whole x5 development stopped. That happes everytime. Nokia 5800, happened samething when c6 announced. N70, same thing happened after a year. Every f.ing time same thing happen, every f.ing time...

jordanishere said:
Word. I don't see why everyone is so bent out of shape about ics.
Gingerbread functions well and ALL the apps I want to use work on it. Is this the case with ics?
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Honestly ICS is great, but some applications really don't play nicely with it. But unfortunately most users are constantly under the impression that new is always better, reality proves this isn't true.
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Good point! Newer isn't always better, but around here (XDA) it's the only thing people care about (myself included haha).

How about you root your phone and put an ICS ROM on yourself? The thing is, what are you expecting with ICS? You realize that your UI is going to look exactly the same right? Touchwiz is going to be touchwiz...so unless you have a nexus, or an AOSP based ROM you arent going to see much of a difference except in your app drawer and menus.