I'm curious, will the Sensation ever get ICS? I mean the device should be able to handle it right? It's not like its a lightweight contendor that can't hold its own with the "big boys".
I'm also not talking about ports but rather an actual release by HTC/Google?
I've read that ICS is supposed to "unite" all android phones under one OS so that it won't be staggered like it is now
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As soon as google makes the ics source public. The cm team will start working on cm8 which will definitely come out for the sensation
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It hasn't been confirmed but HTC has always been pretty good with their updates.
Well once we get ICS, HTC would probably have to make SENSE work on it ( cause we all know HTC doesn't want us using vanilla roms )
Even if the Sensation doesn't get ICS through an update someone will port the ROM to work with the phone anyway. So yes, in time we will get ICS no matter what.
Maybe stupid question, but what is the ICS?
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Maybe stupid question, but what is the ICS?
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Ice Cream Sandwich, the next version of Android.
If htc put gingerbread on the original desire, the sensation will definitely get ics. Once we are on the Cyanogenmod build tree there will be cm8
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Google announced at I/O that they were in agreement with certain partners that all future phones would be supported for 18 months after release, giving them updates as long as the phone can handle it. HTC was one of these partners.
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Google announced at I/O that they were in agreement with certain partners that all future phones would be supported for 18 months after release, giving them updates as long as the phone can handle it. HTC was one of these partners.
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Was the sensation released before or after this agreement?
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After it was made.
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Google announced at I/O that they were in agreement with certain partners that all future phones would be supported for 18 months after release, giving them updates as long as the phone can handle it. HTC was one of these partners.
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No further details nor any set in stone requirements were ever publicly released after the basic info about that agreement went public.
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If Google and/or HTC don't bring ics to sensation,someone will.
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If Google and/or HTC don't bring ics to sensation,someone will.
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That's true. But having the official one would save people a lot of trouble
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No one can really "confirm" whether or not we will ever be upgraded with an official version of the next version of android OS, but knowing HTCs track record to device support, there's a pretty good chance.
Either way though, htc loves throwing sense over everything anyway, so it's really not a big deal for me if they do. Right now we're using Gingerbread with a Sense overlay, if we get upgraded, we'll just be using ICS with a Sense overlay...not a totally huge difference in the eyes of the end user.
I would much rather see an ICS port on xda. It'll likely come out sooner, and, like pretty much everything else on xda, will run better than what HTC comes out with anyway.
To HTC's credit, their rom releases are pretty decent compared to their competitors. But yes, sense lengthens the release window and adds months to development.
The Sensation is practically guaranteed Ice Cream Sandwich, but it likely won't be updated for several months after its release.
There were very minimal visual updates between gingerbread and froyo so huge sense UI overhauls weren't needed (they basically just added functionality) if the ics updates are as huge as everyone believes and hopes I'm sure sense will also include a massive overhaul. (For example if the ics launcher includes the 'holographic' interface it would idiotic imho for HTC not include that in there updated sense launcher)
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ICS is supposed to be optimized for dual core use, as well, so I would think that would add a little more credence to the idea that the Sensation will get it.
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I just bought a Sensation, and I hope they will port ICS, but my Tattoo is running Gingerbeard smoothly (no as smoothly as in the Sensation, but as smoothly as it runs donut) and it's not oficial, because officially "Tattoo can't handle Android 2.0".
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Hi,
Going to upgrade from my Legend to a Sensation this weekend, just hoping someone could chime in, Was curious if Sensation will get an upgrade to Ice Cream when it comes out! Thanks!
Can't see any reason why not. We all got the latest Gingerbread update eventually, so I reckon there will be a phased release of ICS.
The Sensation absolutely should get ICS. Expect a slew of improvements with it too, especially true dual-core support and in general an OS that can match the hardware this phone has.
I did exactly the same upgrade as you and have not regretted my decision, In some way shape or form we WILL get ICS
Definitely must get, because there is an agreement between google and htc regarding os updates, i don't remember the period .
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Just the fact we are a dual core phone and ICS has true dual core support should mean we will get the update. Not that it really matters cause well get some 4.0 roms regardless.
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when the normal desire get gingerbread Sensation will ic
What can I expect to be different from the ics I've heard its like a link from our wonderful gingerbread to the 3.0 honeycomb os.
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What can I expect to be different from the ics I've heard its like a link from our wonderful gingerbread to the 3.0 honeycomb os.
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we just get happy with any update even its free update and have nothing inside
Well, we nearly had it sooner. There was a Nexus S that leaked out with ICS on it. It appears that Google remote wiped it before it could be extracted. The thread is on XDA somewhere.
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Well, we nearly had it sooner. There was a Nexus S that leaked out with ICS on it. It appears that Google remote wiped it before it could be extracted. The thread is on XDA somewhere.
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They can do that? That's a bit scary.
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Definitely must get, because there is an agreement between google and htc regarding os updates, i don't remember the period .
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18 month to be exactly!
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Of course we will receive it as of right now the sensation is htc flagship Not for long but it's still as the last generation of processor and don't forget Cyanogen 8... Yepp Christmas should be just fine!
Hi my name is DloBrown and Im A nightly addict who've been sober for too long!!!
What? Might as well wait till 10/12 get HTC Amaze! !!!
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They can do that? That's a bit scary.
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Im sure if they did in fact do that it was probably something built into that specific phones firmware because it was some form of prototype.
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when the normal desire get gingerbread Sensation will ic
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Gingerbread has been available for the original Desire since August:
http://androidcommunity.com/htc-desire-android-2-3-gingerbread-update-released-20110801/
No...Just like Google can remotely remove applications from your device, they can remotely wipe any device...Each one of those Nexus S devices were normally accounted for...When that video leaked all they had to do was do a head count and see (for the sake of conversation we'll say prototype 7) Prototype 7 was missing and wipe it. They have all the information and all to lock it and also have it tied to admin permissions which we all can do on any device running 2.3. It was part of the Enterprise update for business on GB.
Will we get ICS?? I doubt anytime soon, as HTC takes forever embedding Sense into the damn framework and they will NEVER release a non Nexus device without Sense. So if we do you can bet your arse it will be at the most about April/May before we see it.
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Will we get ICS?? I doubt anytime soon, as HTC takes forever embedding Sense into the damn framework and they will NEVER release a non Nexus device without Sense. So if we do you can bet your arse it will be at the most about April/May before we see it.
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I was thinking about this. Didn't they say that Google are responsible for OS updates from ICS and not the handset manufacturers as they got pissed with HTC/Samsung etc taking forever to release stuff?
So does that mean all phones released on ICS and beyond will be from Google or that they will have doen the testing and given to HTC to give to us mere mortals on decent Gingerbread phones? Who knows but i'm betting HTC screw us with at least a 6 month wait.
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No...Just like Google can remotely remove applications from your device, they can remotely wipe any device...Each one of those Nexus S devices were normally accounted for...When that video leaked all they had to do was do a head count and see (for the sake of conversation we'll say prototype 7) Prototype 7 was missing and wipe it. They have all the information and all to lock it and also have it tied to admin permissions which we all can do on any device running 2.3. It was part of the Enterprise update for business on GB.
Will we get ICS?? I doubt anytime soon, as HTC takes forever embedding Sense into the damn framework and they will NEVER release a non Nexus device without Sense. So if we do you can bet your arse it will be at the most about April/May before we see it.
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The G2 says hi.
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Judging from past experience, if you are asking for a official HTC ICS update for the Sensation, the answer is "very likely" but you probably have to wait a long time.
Typically, when a new version of Android is released, HTC wouldn't update its existing devices to the new version until a few months after it has shipped a whole line of new devices with the new Android version. And because of it having to port Sense over to the new Android build, it would also take HTC quite some time to come up with new devices for the new Android build.
But if you don't need Sense, you will surely get ICS on Sensation. I'm sure Cyanogenmod will be one of the earlier available and full-feature ICS roms. They release their version of Gingerbread for the Nexus One even before Google pushes stock Gingerbread to it.
Dont know if this is a dumb qustion but will android 4.0 be released for desire s?
This is what HTC had to say about the occasion:
"We are excited about the latest update for Android, Ice Cream Sandwich, and are currently reviewing its features and functionality to determine our upgrade plans. Our goal for Android updates is to give every customer an improved user experience, which means balancing each phone's unique hardware, HTC Sense experience and the Android kernel. While our goal is to upgrade as many of our recent devices as possible, we are committed to maintaining every phone's performance and usability first. Please stay tuned for more updates on specific device upgrade plans."
Maybe yes, maybe not!
I also want to know.....pls cm will let it come true
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If not by HTC, then you most probably will find some ports or AOSP on Dev section.
If the only criterium they use is the technical capability of the phone (as they say they will) I would definitely say yes: the cpu can easily be overclocked to 1.2 gHz, and they recently published a phone (bliss) with identical characteristics as the desire s. I don't think that they are not going to provide an update for a device of about one month old.
On the other hand: many people will consider switching to a new device if they don't update it.
We'll just have to wait for an official statement, I'm afraid...
Looking forward to this coming out on our phones! Looks fantastic.
Call me cynical, but I can't see HTC releasing ICS on older devices where they perceive a possibility that the customer may buy a new device in order to upgrade.
The profit motive usually wins over all others!
Desire S isn't that old, it deserve to have ICS.
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Desire S isn't that old, it deserve to have ICS.
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Yea,desire s is young
And anyway the sensation will have ics so we ll also have our ics
With a port.i think desire s ll have android 4,it s an hight-end devices.if htc know how to build a rom we ll have our ics.
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The challenge is that we do have physical buttons, when ICS it is part of UI. That has to be taken into consideration.
Have no idea, how that will reflect in real life. For example, I do preffer deactivating physical buttons on Desire S and using UI, since I love it on my Tab.
As with all custom ROM scene, if there is not an official release, then this community will take the best/popular parts of ICS and blend them into existing builds, or port from the Nexus S entirely. (I like the idea of native photo correction software and face recognition security, both of which I already have with 3rd party apps.)
The problem is that Sense is so deeply integrated into the vanilla Android experience that HTC will look at the cost of brining that to devices that have already been paid for. They'll make a decision on whether or not it's worth spending time (and money) on doing this, or trying to dangle a new carrot in front of you to buy.
They will be well aware that those of us on XDA who are after the bleeding edge, are also able to put custom/ported ROMs on for free. This also relieves them of warranty responsibilities, and makes them less inclined to spend money developing an official update for our "older" handsets.
My view is that if we see ICS on our Desire S, it'll be an AOSP port from the Nexus S with maybe an official Sense release way down the line. Before then I'm sure someone will do an ICS-style launcher.
Just my thoughts.
Our device is not old.our desire is 400€ yet
And it s the top of the single core devices
I don t think an old device is 400€
Htc have to built an ics for us because this phone went out in april 2011 and i bought it for a lot of money xd
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kylon said:
Our device is not old.our desire is 400€ yet
And it s the top of the single core devices
I don t think an old device is 400€
Htc have to built an ics for us because this phone went out in april 2011 and i bought it for a lot of money xd
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+1 for you man!!!
Very p*ssed off with HTC
The Galaxy S original which is a 2 year old device is getting official ICS.
They weren't originally, but people begged Samsung and now they are getting it. This shows Samsung listens to customers.
They announced ICS for new devices 2 days ago, people complained, then today announce ICS for the original Galaxy S
Us? HTC announce the first waves many weeks ago. We pester HTC all the time but they never listen to us, no plans for the next wave yet.
Come on HTC! Desire S, HD and Incredible are all still new and capable!
I really hope they feel pressured by Samsung now and compete to release ICS for us.
Please share your opinions!
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Very p*ssed off with HTC
The Galaxy S original which is a 2 year old device is getting official ICS.
They weren't originally, but people begged Samsung and now they are getting it. This shows Samsung listens to customers.
They announced ICS for new devices 2 days ago, people complained, then today announce ICS.
Us? HTC announce the first waves many weeks ago. We pester HTC all the time but they never listen to us, no plans for the next wave yet.
Come on HTC! Desire S, HD and Incredible are all still new and capable!
I really hope they feel pressured by Samsung now and compete to release ICS for us.
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Next time I'm due for an upgrade if HTC don't get their act together with software updates then I might just go elsewhere shame cos I really do like the hardware that comes in a htc
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+1 I like the great combination of hardware and software.
I don't mind if our ICS update will take a little longer, I know HTC will have to work to reskin the UI.
But at least let us know. It's been nearly 2 months now, and where is the 2nd wave of devices?
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Well... The Desire HD, Desire S, etc. are all FAIRLY old devices.
I never keep my electronic devices for more then a year (as I'm sure many here don't either) so I can't see it as a big deal.
Root, install miui. Problem solved.
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Maedhros said:
Well... The Desire HD, Desire S, etc. are all FAIRLY old devices.
I never keep my electronic devices for more then a year (as I'm sure many here don't either) so I can't see it as a big deal.
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Yeah, the DHD May be old..
But the Desire S and Incredible S certainly isn't!!
They were only released in April, 7-8 months old only! And they aren't getting updates?
I only included the DHD, as it has the same/similiar specs.
The new XL is getting ICS, but it has exactly the same hardware as the DHD, Desire S!! (Just a overclocked CPU)
Think about it, the Galaxy S, 2 YEARS OLD, is getting ICS!
And Desire S (7-8 MONTHS OLD) hasn't even been confirmed to get ICS yet!
Come on HTC!
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Root, install miui. Problem solved.
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I hate it when people say this
I am already rooted, and running a Sensation XL ROM sense 3.5.
I can easily choose and install A ICS ROM now. (In fact already tested it)
But its always better to get official support from HTC, so devs can work from our base, and we get a proper kernel source etc.
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I hate it when people say this
I am already rooted, and running a Sensation XL ROM sense 3.5.
I can easily choose and install A ICS ROM now. (In fact already tested it)
But its always better to get official support from HTC, so devs can work from our base, and we get a proper kernel source etc.
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True but HTC customer service sucks once you buy your device one way or another I will have ics running whether its cm9 ,official HTC or superkids ics
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At least they're not Motorola.
/end thread.
-My life is a shooting range, people never change-
At least this device has Cyanogen option, mine doesnt even have this option...
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Very p*ssed off with HTC
The Galaxy S original which is a 2 year old device is getting official ICS.
They weren't originally, but people begged Samsung and now they are getting it. This shows Samsung listens to customers.
They announced ICS for new devices 2 days ago, people complained, then today announce ICS for the original Galaxy S
Us? HTC announce the first waves many weeks ago. We pester HTC all the time but they never listen to us, no plans for the next wave yet.
Come on HTC! Desire S, HD and Incredible are all still new and capable!
I really hope they feel pressured by Samsung now and compete to release ICS for us.
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First I don't know from where you get that Samsung is updating the SGSI to ICS please give source.
All i know is that Samsung said that they'll update the Galaxy SII and the Note
will get ICS in Q1 where as the Galaxy R and galaxy Tabs(exclude the first gen) later and no mention what so ever about the Galaxy S!
Secondly HTC never said that they aren't updating the Desire S Incredible S (which are mid range devices) and Desire HD to ICS, they've said clearly that the phones presented on their release were the first bunch to get ICS, and of course the most recent phones would get ICS first, and HTC did a good job updating devices like the Desire HD, with 2 major updates : 2.2 to 2.3.3 and to 2.3.5 with sense 3.0!
Thirdly from what I've seen HTC is planing to update their devices to ICS before samsung does, the sensation is planed to get it ICS update on februrary where as the SGSII update planed for April.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/17/bell-mobility-hints-at-ice-cream-sandwich-release-dates-for-gala/
And fortly you'll get the ICS roms and HTC leaks in the XDA community before the OEMs release their official roms (requirements and approval process takes time) if you want ICS I'm sure you can already download beta ICS rom for your device
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First I don't know from where you get that Samsung is updating the SGSI to ICS please give source.
All i know is that Samsung said that they'll update the Galaxy SII and the Note
will get ICS in Q1 where as the Galaxy R and galaxy Tabs(exclude the first gen) later and no mention what so ever about the Galaxy S!
Secondly HTC never said that they aren't updating the Desire S Incredible S (which are mid range devices) and Desire HD to ICS, they've said clearly that the phones presented on their release were the first bunch to get ICS, and of course the most recent phones would get ICS first, and HTC did a good job updating devices like the Desire HD, with 2 major updates : 2.2 to 2.3.3 and to 2.3.5 with sense 3.5!
Thirdly from what I've seen HTC is planing to update their devices to ICS before samsung does, the sensation is planed to get it ICS update on februrary where as the SGSII update planed for April.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/17/bell-mobility-hints-at-ice-cream-sandwich-release-dates-for-gala/
And fortly you'll get the ICS roms and HTC leaks in the XDA community before the OEMs release their official roms (requirements and approval process takes time) if you want ICS I'm sure you can already download beta ICS rom for your device
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Hi,
I found this in the Galaxy S thread. People are talking about it
http://www.youmobile.org/blogs/entr...lans-for-GALAXY-line-Galaxy-S-to-follow-later
Actually looking back now, not too sure about its reliability.
Yes, Samsung originally announced ICS for the newer phnes 2 days ago.
Then customers complained. And 2 days later, Samsung listend and supposedly said a Galaxy S original update will be coming soon, but later.
I know Desire S etc are mid range phones - it is capable of ICS and only 8 months old.
As I have already said, there are betas for me, I've already tried them.
I won't be using the official ROM anyway, I just want htc to make the update.
As I said a few pages back, if htc make the update, our devs can tweak and base newer ROM versions on the new base and kernel, which is better than using a ROM port.
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Hi,
I found this in the Galaxy S thread. People are talking about it
http://www.youmobile.org/blogs/entr...lans-for-GALAXY-line-Galaxy-S-to-follow-later
Actually looking back now, not too sure about its reliability.
Yes, Samsung originally announced ICS for the newer phnes 2 days ago.
Then customers complained. And 2 days later, Samsung listend and supposedly said a Galaxy S original update will be coming soon, but later.
I know Desire S etc are mid range phones - it is capable of ICS and only 8 months old.
As I have already said, there are betas for me, I've already tried them.
I won't be using the official ROM anyway, I just want htc to make the update.
As I said a few pages back, if htc make the update, our devs can tweak and base newer ROM versions on the new base and kernel, which is better than using a ROM port.
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That source doesn't look reliable to me at all, I've checked all the well known sources, such as Androidcentral, engadget,theverge, andoirdpolice and of course our source n1 which is XDA and there are no mentions on the Samsung Galaxy S I
Don't take me wrong, I am 100% with you when you say that HTC needs to bring ICS to those devices if possible (rom limitations comes to mind) but I'm being more realistic, and I'm considering the whole picture, and it looks that HTC is doing pretty good compared to it competition in terms of updates but that's still not enough as a customer I ask for me, Also at the same time I would like to give a shout to google! to give OEMs release candidate OS to play with and prepare their update a periode of time before they them self start releasing the final product, so we don't see this fragmentation in terms of OS OEMs skinned versions comes at about same time, or relatively some weeks later after the release on Nexus devices and not months later
Samsung officialy said no ICS for SGSI
http://translate.google.com/transla...&eotf=1&u=http://www.samsungtomorrow.com/2043
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Samsung officialy said no ICS for SGSI
http://translate.google.com/transla...&eotf=1&u=http://www.samsungtomorrow.com/2043
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Seems that source was fake then
Samsung... Just as bad as HTC?
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Seems that source was fake then
Samsung... Just as bad as HTC?
Well, just flash a custom rom will do. At least Sammy did much better than Motorola and LG in terms of updates though. Not to mention Sammy devices have an open bootloader, unlike HTC or moto phones.
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Yes, I've said this many many times now
I'm already on a custom ROM. no intentions to use a official ROM. But its good to get a base and kernel source for devs to work on for best integration on our phones.
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So, why do so many of you like HTC? Hardware is not that great, battery life is out the a$$, rooting is relatively annoying/complicated.
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So, why do so many of you like HTC? Hardware is not that great, battery life is out the a$$, rooting is relatively annoying/complicated.
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Sure, hardware isn't as superior as Samsungs etc, but software is the key.
It's far superior than Samsungs touchwiz and other UI's.
Battery life on some htc's are rubbish, but on my Desire S its decent.
Also, rooting for me was easier than on my Galaxy Tab, and my dads SGSII.
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Persistence
With persistence, you'll get what you desire, keep on trying
Hey everyone. So I would like to bring you some discussion here about on what the future holds for our HTC Desire S when it respects to the official HTC support.
The main question here is, what do you think that HTC will do with the Desire S? Will they bring ICS to it? Will they try to be soft and bring just Sense 3.5? Or is our Desire S done and no more updates will come? It would be quite interesting to see what everyone thinks that may happen in the next few months
i doubt very much we will see anymore major official updates ,just maye a few revisions.htc support there phones pretty badly tbh,and as much as i love my desire s and this community i doubt very much i would purchase another one of the htc phones as it will carry on the same legacy i expect .
I think HTC will do nothing. They can't support all the phones they released which is why they've decided to take it slow
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I hope that HTC is still going to release an ICS update for Desire S, but that's probably false hope. HTC has released too many phones (about 5 different versions of the Sensation?) to provide support for every phone. They will just concentrate on the higher-end models, which unfortunately the Desire S isn't. Luckily there is a great community working hard to provide us with future updates
The current/typical market trend IS to take advantage of the thirst for the bleeding-edge OS and the cutting-edge hardware, and as businesses, they'd be mugs for not exploiting that. There is no way HTC had any serious plans for giving the Desire S official ICS ROM. However...
They (HTC) have gotten the balance wrong this year and they know it. Too much quantity, not enough quality. Sooner or later, even the rich kids will get fed up of being 'expected' to upgrade a handset every 8 months to stay 'on trend'.
At least HTC seem to have taken note of this...
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/26/htcs-uk-ceo-wants-to-ease-off-the-new-product-gas-focus-on-am/
Don't forget the original Desire did eventually (through popular demand) get an official gingerbread update, just that HTC never designed the phone's hardware to cope with the increased size of the OS over Froyo. So disclaimers were required should we then complain that there were only enough room for 10 apps once 2.3.3 was installed!
But on the flip-side this is why you chose Android. This is why you chose XDA. You want something that comes out of the box, and gives you the opportunity to improve it in your own way, to your own liking. To take the initiative. We almost need HTC to drop the ball so we can pick it up and run with it.
The day a stock Android phone comes out of the box perfect to everyone's needs for years after its purchase will be a sad day for XDA.
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The current/typical market trend IS to take advantage of the thirst for the bleeding-edge OS and the cutting-edge hardware, and as businesses, they'd be mugs for not exploiting that. There is no way HTC had any serious plans for giving the Desire S official ICS ROM. However...
They (HTC) have gotten the balance wrong this year and they know it. Too much quantity, not enough quality. Sooner or later, even the rich kids will get fed up of being 'expected' to upgrade a handset every 8 months to stay 'on trend'.
At least HTC seem to have taken note of this...
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/26/htcs-uk-ceo-wants-to-ease-off-the-new-product-gas-focus-on-am/
Don't forget the original Desire did eventually (through popular demand) get an official gingerbread update, just that HTC never designed the phone's hardware to cope with the increased size of the OS over Froyo. So disclaimers were required should we then complain that there were only enough room for 10 apps once 2.3.3 was installed!
But on the flip-side this is why you chose Android. This is why you chose XDA. You want something that comes out of the box, and gives you the opportunity to improve it in your own way, to your own liking. To take the initiative. We almost need HTC to drop the ball so we can pick it up and run with it.
The day a stock Android phone comes out of the box perfect to everyone's needs for years after its purchase will be a sad day for XDA.
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what he said..... hit the nail on the head with that one
Fair enough, I would have believed HTC if they released a official statement about Desire S not meeting hardware requirements.
However, hearing that the Sensation XL is receiving ICS really got me annoyed. It proves the hardware is capable.
The XL is almost identical to us, apart from the OC'ed chip, and thats getting ICS.
I don't see why we can't get the upgrade.
Where is HTC's announcement of the second wave of devices that are getting ICS too? We are still yet to hear from them.
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Sorry, i wasn't suggesting that the desire s couldn't cope. I'm pretty sure it could. Just saying that in my opinion it's unlikely HTC will be in a hurry to stop us buying more handsets, and it will be good to see what the devs here manage to port for us.
This week a friend asked me what he should upgrade to this march. He has an old desire, and isn't a heavy user. Not interested in dual cores or massive screens. I looked at all the options and it was still the desire s or the Xperia Ray.
The only reason i recommended the xperia ray was because he HAS to have a Vodafone upgrade. Vodafone's stock ROM on the desire s has that ludicrous 'pocket mode' forced on, and you can't turn it off. 8 hours battery life max. My dad ended up sending his back for that reason. He wouldn't let me root it!
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Sorry, i wasn't suggesting that the desire s couldn't cope. I'm pretty sure it could. Just saying that in my opinion it's unlikely HTC will be in a hurry to stop us buying more handsets, and it will be good to see what the devs here manage to port for us.
This week a friend asked me what he should upgrade to this march. He has an old desire, and isn't a heavy user. Not interested in dual cores or massive screens. I looked at all the options and it was still the desire s or the Xperia Ray.
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No mate, I wasn't ranting at you
I was criticizing HTC for their poor decision. If the XL is getting ICS, we should get it. We have the same specs.
Heck, even the 2010 phone, Desire HD has near identical specs as the XL. Even that, should get ICS..
Silly move by HTC.
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Fair enough, I would have believed HTC if they released a official statement about Desire S not meeting hardware requirements.
However, hearing that the Sensation XL is receiving ICS really got me annoyed. It proves the hardware is capable.
The XL is almost identical to us, apart from the OC'ed chip, and thats getting ICS.
I don't see why we can't get the upgrade.
Where is HTC's announcement of the second wave of devices that are getting ICS too? We are still yet to hear from them.
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HTC has done many contradictions in the past and sometimes they had to go back in what they said.
First when the Sensation came out people asked if Sense 3.0 would come to older devices then HTC quickly stated that older devices could not run it due to hardware restrictions. Then they released the HTC Rhyme with !GHz CPU and 768MB of RAM running even newer version Sense 3.5. So HTC gave us Sense 3.0 as it was evident that it could run it.
After that we had the Desire 2.3 update. HTC telling people the phone didn't have enough memory for Gingerbread and they had just released the Wildfire S with even worse hardware running Gingerbread from start. So HTC gave people with Desire the 2.3 update.
Then now with ICS. It is obvious that the Desire S can run it (Nexus S...) but with Sense over it and HTC's hesitations over support may lead to no update.
My theory is that when a phone is released it has to be updated to at least one version of Android. The Desire S came out with 2.3 from start so we can believe that it will come to ICS. We will get the answer when HTC reveals the second wave of updates to us.
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HTC has done many contradictions in the past and sometimes they had to go back in what they said.
First when the Sensation came out people asked if Sense 3.0 would come to older devices then HTC quickly stated that older devices could not run it due to hardware restrictions. Then they released the HTC Rhyme with !GHz CPU and 768MB of RAM running even newer version Sense 3.5. So HTC gave us Sense 3.0 as it was evident that it could run it.
After that we had the Desire 2.3 update. HTC telling people the phone didn't have enough memory for Gingerbread and they had just released the Wildfire S with even worse hardware running Gingerbread from start. So HTC gave people with Desire the 2.3 update.
Then now with ICS. It is obvious that the Desire S can run it (Nexus S...) but with Sense over it and HTC's hesitations over support may lead to no update.
My theory is that when a phone is released it has to be updated to at least one version of Android. The Desire S came out with 2.3 from start so we can believe that it will come to ICS. We will get the answer when HTC reveals the second wave of updates to us.
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Very good explanation!
I really do hope that's the case!
I think the DHD is a lucky device... It started with 2.2, got 2.3.3 + New sense 2.1, then another update to 2.3.5 + sense 3.0. If we get ICS, the DHD will have to get ICS (same specs). I don't think HTC want to give the dhd anymore updates
So HTC might choose not to give us ICS for that reason otherwise they would also have to update the DHD.
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Very good explanation!
I really do hope that's the case!
I think the DHD is a lucky device... It started with 2.2, got 2.3.3 + New sense 2.1, then another update to 2.3.5 + sense 3.0. If we get ICS, the DHD will have to get ICS (same specs). I don't think HTC want to give the dhd anymore updates
So HTC might choose not to give us ICS for that reason otherwise they would also have to update the DHD.
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I may be wrong, but my feeling is that all devices from Desire HD and Desire Z and later will receive the update. The Desire HD was the top phone for HTC of it's time and I don't think HTC will kill it if they decide to give Desire S the update.
The only question here is the all mighty Sense UI and that is HTC's fault because they built a so deeply integrated UI. Honestly I can live without the 3D transitions as ICS actually has its own ones. It will up to what HTC will do with Sense UI.
Dont know about you guys but HTC has always been keep-the-customer-in-dark with Desire S. IMHO I dont know why they do it... I mean it came with sense 2.1 and 2.3 when I bought. After a while some patches and fotas were there but when we got sense 3.0 it was some guys phone which got updated made the news not a disclosure or say news by HTC that its been updated and which makes my geeky mind cheer in the doubt of my mind that we may recieve ICS officially
Now about the thing that here are devs that are doing a hard job to get ICS on ours and imo they have been succesful as in there-was-no-way-but-they-did-it successful. But think if theres an official update what might happen then? I am no dev or **** but as I understand that would made works on other roms ports a heck lot easier...
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I may be wrong, but my feeling is that all devices from Desire HD and Desire Z and later will receive the update. The Desire HD was the top phone for HTC of it's time and I don't think HTC will kill it if they decide to give Desire S the update.
The only question here is the all mighty Sense UI and that is HTC's fault because they built a so deeply integrated UI. Honestly I can live without the 3D transitions as ICS actually has its own ones. It will up to what HTC will do with Sense UI.
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Good explanation, but keep in mind, the Desire Z did not receive the official Sense 3.0 update.
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Fair enough, I would have believed HTC if they released a official statement about Desire S not meeting hardware requirements.
However, hearing that the Sensation XL is receiving ICS really got me annoyed. It proves the hardware is capable.
The XL is almost identical to us, apart from the OC'ed chip, and thats getting ICS.
I don't see why we can't get the upgrade.
Where is HTC's announcement of the second wave of devices that are getting ICS too? We are still yet to hear from them.
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This is pretty sad, if HTC won't upgrade our Desire S to ICS. I mean, Sony Ericsson has announced and committed to ICS upgrades for their 2011 lineup--and those have the same chipsets as our Desire S! SE's flagship for last year, the Xperia Arc, was launched around the same time frame as our Desire S, with virtually the same Qualcomm chipset. No way HTC can use that excuse, and they know it.
18 months is not yet up for this phone, so if Google is right, we should expect support/updates till around September or so of 2012. As much as I dislike Sense, HTC ought to be ashamed of itself if they won't give us ICS. I can imagine they're in a bind, because they are compelled to give us ICS, but don't want us playing around with the ICS'ed Sense 4.0 and would rather have us get newer, more expensive 4 inch slabs
Come on, HTC. Gain some goodwill among us. Roll out ICS and the latest Sense. You know it makes Sense
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Sony Ericsson has announced and committed to ICS upgrades for their 2011 lineup
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That's the way to go, but just as always magic will not happen and HTC Desire S probably will not get ICS update because of that politic, meanwhile Sony Ericsson goes more democratical way and releases updates for customers, not only "top list'' customers as HTC do. I respect HTC, but the point how they sorts updates by devices is to drastic, just too painful for user like us, who knows what their device is able to do, but they simply do not feed it. To be honest, if HTC Desire S will get official ICS update, then it will mean that HTC is changing their political statement and magic is happening.
You guys havent read the internal leak that confirmed ICS for desire s?
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You guys havent read the internal leak that confirmed ICS for desire s?
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dude, our posts are from days before the leak came out
But thanks for the effort I guess there will hopefully be a strong future for us!
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The current/typical market trend IS to take advantage of the thirst for the bleeding-edge OS and the cutting-edge hardware, and as businesses, they'd be mugs for not exploiting that. There is no way HTC had any serious plans for giving the Desire S official ICS ROM. However...
They (HTC) have gotten the balance wrong this year and they know it. Too much quantity, not enough quality. Sooner or later, even the rich kids will get fed up of being 'expected' to upgrade a handset every 8 months to stay 'on trend'.
At least HTC seem to have taken note of this...
Don't forget the original Desire did eventually (through popular demand) get an official gingerbread update, just that HTC never designed the phone's hardware to cope with the increased size of the OS over Froyo. So disclaimers were required should we then complain that there were only enough room for 10 apps once 2.3.3 was installed!
But on the flip-side this is why you chose Android. This is why you chose XDA. You want something that comes out of the box, and gives you the opportunity to improve it in your own way, to your own liking. To take the initiative. We almost need HTC to drop the ball so we can pick it up and run with it.
The day a stock Android phone comes out of the box perfect to everyone's needs for years after its purchase will be a sad day for XDA.
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He already said what I wanted to said
I like the line "This is why you choose Android and XDA"
Akishima said:
He already said what I wanted to said
I like the line "This is why you choose Android and XDA"
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Well good news anyway:
HTC announced ICS officially for us!
YIPPEE!!!
First off, yes I know this is not the HTC One S forums. Let me explain my reasoning for posting this here
The HTC One S is part of our family of devices (which includes this device, the One S, Evo 4G LTE, and Incredible 4G LTE). Although it doesnt matter much in terms of Sense development, for AOSP development, this family of devices is the family that we share many files with, including kernel source releases and other files which make up the ROM such as proprietary files.
For AOSP devices, these files are essential in keeping our device up to date and running on the latest Android version. These files from Sense such as proprietary files are essential in this. Generally speaking, the latest version of these files is used in AOSP ROMs.
If the One S is kept alive, it will offer another device that we can grab these files from, if HTC decides to kill off our device and keep theirs, or visa versa. If they release 4.2.2 Sense for the One S first, then we can use those files from their release in ours. So if their device is kept alive, ours can be greatly affected by it as well.
tl;dr Their situation affects our device too, so sign this petition to help show HTC that the community wants the device to be supported.
Here is the petition: http://www.change.org/petitions/htc-give-the-one-s-continued-support-like-the-one-x
P.S. to anyone who thinks that these petitions do nothing, I will point to the Desire HD (I believe? one of the desires) that had so much community support that HTC ended up releasing a firmware update for it through RUU to ICS specifically for developers and modders. HTC is listening.
Signed.
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Signed.
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Yuuuuuuup
rohan32 said:
First off, yes I know this is not the HTC One S forums. Let me explain my reasoning for posting this here
The HTC One S is part of our family of devices (which includes this device, the One S, Evo 4G LTE, and Incredible 4G LTE). Although it doesnt matter much in terms of Sense development, for AOSP development, this family of devices is the family that we share many files with, including kernel source releases and other files which make up the ROM such as proprietary files.
For AOSP devices, these files are essential in keeping our device up to date and running on the latest Android version. These files from Sense such as proprietary files are essential in this. Generally speaking, the latest version of these files is used in AOSP ROMs.
If the One S is kept alive, it will offer another device that we can grab these files from, if HTC decides to kill off our device and keep theirs, or visa versa. If they release 4.2.2 Sense for the One S first, then we can use those files from their release in ours. So if their device is kept alive, ours can be greatly affected by it as well.
tl;dr Their situation affects our device too, so sign this petition to help show HTC that the community wants the device to be supported.
Here is the petition: http://www.change.org/petitions/htc-give-the-one-s-continued-support-like-the-one-x
P.S. to anyone who thinks that these petitions do nothing, I will point to the Desire HD (I believe? one of the desires) that had so much community support that HTC ended up releasing a firmware update for it through RUU to ICS specifically for developers and modders. HTC is listening.
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Thank you for spreading the word.
rohan32 said:
P.S. to anyone who thinks that these petitions do nothing, I will point to the Desire HD (I believe? one of the desires) that had so much community support that HTC ended up releasing a firmware update for it through RUU to ICS specifically for developers and modders. HTC is listening.
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The petition does work, I was the one that did the DHD one
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Signed.
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I see the trolls post is gone. I guess that little report button works well.
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the sensation didn't get jellybean, but the galaxy s2 did.
however, the successor to the sensation (one s) not getting jellybean is beyond ridiculous.
((EDIT: ignore mistake, explained in next post))
I had a HTC Aria, HTC Inspire and an One X. The lack of support is a known issue with HTC. People will buy them no matter what. I think I'm done with them though. The build quality is phenomenal and on par with Moto I think (who also sucks at continuing updates). I am probably getting the Note 3 because Samsung is exceptional at continuing updates to their phones. And the 3gbs of ram is another huge factor
I don't hate HTC but I don't want to rely solely on XDA for my updates.
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signed...
the sensation didn't get jellybean, but the galaxy s2 did.
however, the successor to the sensation (one s) not getting jellybean is beyond ridiculous.
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The One S has Jelly Bean, just not the latest version. In fact, 4.1 was released last July. My girlfriend and I didn't get it from Vodafone until December 25, and I've read that T-Mobile US users didn't get it until recently! That's dreadful, especially for a relatively new device like this.
I hope if the device is continued to be updated that the updates come a little quicker!
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The One S has Jelly Bean, just not the latest version.
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oops, my bad, by updates, I also meant getting a UI update...
and even though the sensation did somewhat badly, at least it got a major update (2.3.4 to 4.0.3), and a newer version of sense (although not the lastest version available which was stupid!!)
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oops, my bad, by updates, I also meant getting a UI update...
and even though the sensation did somewhat badly, at least it got a major update (2.3.4 to 4.0.3), and a newer version of sense (although not the lastest version available which was stupid!!)
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You can blame HTC's 18-month update policy for that. Also something that they don't stick to, and now they're bringing out crappy devices like the Desire 200 to hopefully make up the revenue loss.
When will HTC realize that releasing 20 phones per year is a bad concept? Update the phones you've already released, dammit!
Signed! I didn't realize how much the One S meant to One X development. I hope it works!
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[I accidentally "thanked" a post about leaving HTC for Samsung. Oops]
Signed. This is a fantastic device with a fantastic community, really. I learned so much about android from the Evita. I hope we get enough signatures to save the One S.
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Thank you for your support.
Signed with a good reason! :good: