Hey!
I really hope that this haven´t been asked already...I haven´t found an answer yet. Tell me, is there any possibility to get a digitizer working on this touchpad? I do not have any knowledge about the technical requirements for these active pens...
Y dont you just get a ipad pen type of pen?
greenlant said:
Hey!
I really hope that this haven´t been asked already...I haven´t found an answer yet. Tell me, is there any possibility to get a digitizer working on this touchpad? I do not have any knowledge about the technical requirements for these active pens...
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Do you mean a capacitive stylus? The screen is capacitive so only a capacitive stylus will work. Just check out ebay. Any stylus that works with an ipad, transformer, or iconia will work on the touchpad.
If you are thinking of something more like a Wacom tablet type 'active' digitizer, then no, they cannot work with a standard (capacitive only) device. They operate using a radio frequency system which has to be present both on the pen and on the tablet itself.
The bonus is improved accuracy and sensitivity for the device, the drawback being cost, a *screenless* wacom tablet using that technology is already a hundred dollars or more, and to combine it with a screen wacom charges a thousand dollars handily.
HTC has a compromise of a sort with the flyer tablet, but again thats a two part system, part of it is in the pen and part is engineered into the tablet itself.
Thats´what I meant (an active digitizer)...okay, thank you all for your help!!! In this case I have to find out, if such a capacitive pen runs well, but I´ve heard that the are not that good...
Thanks!
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As an engineer, I usually take notes by hand and make small drawings in Notes app using the stylus in my Pro2.
Will Notes work on HD2 without stylus or will it be possible using the finger? Even to write small letters by hand as I can using stylus?
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I don't think you can do it.
You'll need to find a stylus that works on capacitive screens... It may also be less precise, so you may not be able to take decent notes.
I just tried. The notes app is present, but has not been made finger-friendly. Even selecting a note sometimes result in selecting two...
Making drawings isn't handy as well, as you can't use your fingernails, nor a stylus. The capacitive styluses on the market are not good for taking notes. We'll have to wait until HTC produces their capacitive styluses they recently patented (which do have a small tip).
Precise answer
Thanks for the answer.
You were the only that anderstood my question.
Your test demonstrate that may be, it's not a good decision to buy HD2 for those that need, in their work, to take notes or make sketckes by hand.
Well, you can buy a mini stylus and take it with the HD2 in your keyring or similar.
It is my option, as I want notes like on my blackstone but on the HD2
I wonder, if someone will bring out a small stylus for capacitive screens?
And also, I wonder, if something conductive would work. How exactly does a capacitive screen work? If we know this, then we can find suitable things to use as a stylus, that gives accuracy and works on the HD2 screen.
madindehead said:
I wonder, if someone will bring out a small stylus for capacitive screens?
And also, I wonder, if something conductive would work. How exactly does a capacitive screen work? If we know this, then we can find suitable things to use as a stylus, that gives accuracy and works on the HD2 screen.
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Thing is that the sensor on the screen itself is lower resolution than resistive, so we're unlikely to get as good precision...
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Thing is that the sensor on the screen itself is lower resolution than resistive, so we're unlikely to get as good precision...
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Ah ok. That's a shame. I was thinking about testing a conventional stylus, but coated in silver conductive paint.
A capacitive stylus must be conductive for it to work, so this may be a good idea ^^
Stylus for HD2
It surely can't just be a matter of the stylus being conductive... otherwise anyone could make one in minutes - eg a metal knitting needle - and the likes of HTC wouldn't need to file patents. I guess the issue is that the capacitive effect must be spread over a wide area of the screen to induce the current beneath...
Maybe some bright engineer could expand...?
maybe get an Acer s200 neoTouch instead.
just 3,8" but also WVGA, 1GHz and is resistive, so you can use a stylus.
PhatNotes and Phatpad both work on HD2.
I started this thread to address the need for resistive touchscreen technology. Some people still like to use their nails, gloves and such to use the touchscreen, which isn't possible with capacitive touchscreens. The problem is that most of the new phones are made with capacitive touchscreens. Here's my requirements:
Resistive touchscreen
Regular PDA size (around 100g, 3-4" screen)
Windows Mobile, Symbian S60, Android 2.2/3.0
No physical keyboard/keypad is prefered
Released 2010 or 2011 (upcoming)
With these requirements there are only a few suitable phones on the market at the moment and from what I've been looking at, even less of the new phones fit these properties. Has anyone been battling with similar problems, found some solutions or good phone models perhaps? Any word on projective capacitive touchscreens? Other possible solutions like films to capacitive touchscreens to support gloves/regular stylus etc.? My not-so-extensive phonelist looks like this:
Nokia C5-03
Sony Ericsson Vivaz
BLU Tango
Acer beTouch E140
Gigabyte GSmart G1317 Rola (Q1/2011)
Resistance is futile
nice thread
thanks
Isotoner makes gloves with conductive thread sewn on to the fingertips, they work great with my capacitive touchscreen. You can also but a spool of conductive thread from various places on the web to sew on to your own gloves if you prefer. As for a stylus, I wonder if you can buy a conductive one? I would think so.
Resistive is clearly on it's way out. Hope this helps.
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Isotoner makes gloves with conductive thread sewn on to the fingertips, they work great with my capacitive touchscreen. You can also but a spool of conductive thread from various places on the web to sew on to your own gloves if you prefer. As for a stylus, I wonder if you can buy a conductive one? I would think so.
Resistive is clearly on it's way out. Hope this helps.
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Very cool, thanks for sharing this
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Isotoner makes gloves with conductive thread sewn on to the fingertips, they work great with my capacitive touchscreen. You can also but a spool of conductive thread from various places on the web to sew on to your own gloves if you prefer. As for a stylus, I wonder if you can buy a conductive one? I would think so.
Resistive is clearly on it's way out. Hope this helps.
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Yeah I've seen some of these, ready for sale and selfmade solutions. The problems is that it's not entirely convienent for all cases and the gloves tend to cost a lot when dealing with more than just one device. Styluses that work on capacitive screens are also being sold so no problem there.
man ive been one of the last standing , but ive turned to capt ... resistive may be more accurate , but day to day use capacitive blows it out the water
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man ive been one of the last standing , but ive turned to capt ... resistive may be more accurate , but day to day use capacitive blows it out the water
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Resistance seems to be futile indeed But still, the keyword here is regular gloves, so rather than searching for options in special gloves or moving to capacitive, I'd like to know more about possibilities in devices (models, existing/available and upcoming) as well as other possible solutions like some sorts of films that are easy to install)
I use a capacitive stylus, which I made on a large from a piece of metal. I can't remember what metal it was though Works fine for me
tis helped me much kthx dude
Need resistive!
Have to agree Cap is best but what do you do if you need signature capture. Have tried Pogo etc but not suitable. Anyone got a soultion for signature capture on Cap screens?
Greatful for any input
This is an interesting thread and I did not realise the major difference untill now.
In reading this I dont think that you can get a signature input unless you use your fingers on the captive screens.
Hate to be negative but you're fighting a losing battle, resistive is by far on it's way out.
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highly doubt any phones will be resistive from here on out. Maybe one or two cheaper phones, but for the most part, no.
There are styli made for capacitive touchscreens -
http://www.daydeal.com/product.php?productid=45648&cat=888
The HTC one is pretty t*ts.
As the technology develops there will come a point where the best of both will be used:
i.e. piezoelectric touchscreen
Piezoelectric touch technology leading flagship Ten Smart Devices plate
While such products are popular and there are advantages/disadvantages of one technology over the other, you can be sure that companies are working on the next solution for it.
The Fascinates have Corning Gorilla Glass, which for.me is well worth the trade offs. I don't need to use a screen protector.
Man, I just realized that u put Vivaz on the resistive list, and I just know it!
Thinking to buy one, but not now. I preffered capacitive way over resistive.
AFAIK, most smartphone made in China use resistive since they love to do the handwriting thingy. Even Philips Xenium X806 still use it. You might want to check that out.. But it's a feature phone, no OS in it
As has been said, you can get a stylus for capacitive screens. A friend of mine has one and he says it works great. Any stylus sold for the iPhone or iPad should be able to work on any capacitive screen.
As far as resistive screens go, I say good riddance!
There are things that are way better on resistive touchscreens, like the stylus thing, nails, tip of finger, and so on but resistive touchscreens are loosing the battle, as stated above capacitive tscreens, support (at least easier and better) multitouch, most of them are Scratch resistant or the new gorilla glass technology, and people like how easy it is to use them no stress xD but, I'm using a LG GT540 Optimus, and I like the fact that I'm using a resistive touchscreen i can more easily paint, write, play games and so on maybe one day a we will have capacitive touchscreens supporting fingertips, pen styluses, fingernails and so on
Tried various Styli
Thanks to all who suggested the HTC stylus have tried it for sig capture and it really is not suitable have also tried pogo etc but all you end up with is an illegible scrawl on the screen.
This is a Microsoft product that is pretty cool...and I was wondering if there is anything available for Android tablets that is similar to this...it's called "Inkseine"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWi6vtSK7N4
well I don't know of any android tablet that has a pen digitizer on them yet, so it'll be much harder to pull off with a capacitive stylus.
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well I don't know of any android tablet that has a pen digitizer on them yet, so it'll be much harder to pull off with a capacitive stylus.
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HTC Flyer is the first I believe.
Dear developers,
This is my first post in xda and I apologize in advance if I posted this question in the wrong place.
I searched a lot in the internet to find a way to allow me to use the digitizer stylus (the same one available in Galaxy Note) on the screen of my galaxy tab 7 plus, but unfortunately with no luck.
The digitizer stylus is available in the market as a replacement of lost or damaged Galaxy Note stylus. Therefore, the stylus is not an issue. I really believe that the stylus should work on any capacitive touch screen of any android tablet if we succeed in extracting the Wacom driver, or software, from a Galaxy Note and install it to the tab.
I searched in Wacom website, but found drivers for windows and Mac only, nothing for android.
I also tried to locate the Wacom in Galaxy Note, with no success :'(
I hope anyone tried such thing and looking for someone to share the experience.
Thanks!
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I really believe that the stylus should work on any capacitive touch screen of any android tablet if we succeed in extracting the Wacom driver, or software, from a Galaxy Note and install it to the tab.
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If the Galaxy Note is anything like the conventional Wacom tablets, the hardware is primarily in the phone/tablet itself and not in the pen. If this is the case, your idea will not work.
You can, however, buy many styluses (styli?) that support capacitive touchscreens.
This is actual Wacom technology
Hello, you cannot use the S-Pen on non-Wacom screens because the stylus is not capacitive, but electromagnetic.
Using your finger, try pressing an UI element (like a widget, or a ListView item) so that you successfully select it. While the item is selected, slowly move the stylus down towards the screen. When it will be 1 cm away (or less) from the screen, the item you selected with your finger will get unselected. It is because the electromagnetic stylus has priority over your (“capacitive”) finger.
The fact that the stylus priority thing occurs even though the screen is not pressed with it, is a proof that the usual Wacom electromagnetic magic is in use in the Note.
I found a german page saying it does:
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixm0zPvBLsY&feature=player_embedded
page http://allaboutsamsung.de/2012/08/s-pen-funktioniert-auch-am-samsung-galaxy-tab-2-10-1-video/
Is that right ?
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I found a german page saying it does:
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixm0zPvBLsY&feature=player_embedded
page http://allaboutsamsung.de/2012/08/s-pen-funktioniert-auch-am-samsung-galaxy-tab-2-10-1-video/
Is that right ?
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Though it works in the video, its clearly not working the same. Clearly he should be able to see this. Its just working like a capacitive stylus. The pressure sensitivity is not working.
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Though it works in the video, its clearly not working the same. Clearly he should be able to see this. Its just working like a capacitive stylus. The pressure sensitivity is not working.
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Even if that is the case, that's excellent because the spen has a very small nib for precision as opposed to the fat capacitive ones.
I didn't watch the video, but it certainly does not work as a capacitive stylus. It has a plastic tip. The screen doesn't even detect the tip touching it. It only detects where it is near the screen and uses the pressure sensor. For example, if you bring the pen near and push the tip with your finger, it will think that it touched the screen.
Could anyone try who have both Tablets ?
I have both. It doesn't work. If you look into the technology that makes the s pen it's obviously it won't work. That's why your s pen won't work with capacitive touch screens like the iPhone. The device needs to have an active digitizer.
Sent from my GT-N8013
The display on the Note is inductive. The earlier Tabs are conductive. A conductive display won't recognize an inductive stylus. An inductive display will recognize a conductive stylus.
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The display on the Note is inductive. The earlier Tabs are conductive. A conductive display won't recognize an inductive stylus. An inductive display will recognize a conductive stylus.
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I hoped they build some of the new screens with s-technology also into the TAB 2 for some reasons...
So its only a coincident, or not true...
Thanks you for your answers
Actually Galaxy Notes have capacitive AND inductive touch screens - capacitive is for finger touch while inductive (Wacom) is for the pen.
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Actually Galaxy Notes have capacitive AND inductive touch screens - capacitive is for finger touch while inductive (Wacom) is for the pen.
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Actually it seems I misread the topic of the linked website
On the website they say its the Galaxy TAB 10.1 N which does use the active stylus too,
This page asked samsung an they said it true...
http://tblt.de/2012/08/galaxy-tab-2-10-1-funktioniert-s-pen-wacom-digitizer/
Well, but would be a bit slow compared to the quad core...
Wow, this is interesting. Maybe all Samsung tabs will have Wacom from now on?
Hey guys,
thanks for sharing my article and video, I am happy to find my content on xda.
As splotz clarified, this is a Tab 10.1N which is a special version for the German market, since Apple successfully banned the original 10.1 here. Unfortunately, other users cannot reproduce the S-Pen working with the 10.1N nor the Tab 2.
I contacted the developer (it's his Tab) and asked for screenshots of the Software version.