I started this thread to address the need for resistive touchscreen technology. Some people still like to use their nails, gloves and such to use the touchscreen, which isn't possible with capacitive touchscreens. The problem is that most of the new phones are made with capacitive touchscreens. Here's my requirements:
Resistive touchscreen
Regular PDA size (around 100g, 3-4" screen)
Windows Mobile, Symbian S60, Android 2.2/3.0
No physical keyboard/keypad is prefered
Released 2010 or 2011 (upcoming)
With these requirements there are only a few suitable phones on the market at the moment and from what I've been looking at, even less of the new phones fit these properties. Has anyone been battling with similar problems, found some solutions or good phone models perhaps? Any word on projective capacitive touchscreens? Other possible solutions like films to capacitive touchscreens to support gloves/regular stylus etc.? My not-so-extensive phonelist looks like this:
Nokia C5-03
Sony Ericsson Vivaz
BLU Tango
Acer beTouch E140
Gigabyte GSmart G1317 Rola (Q1/2011)
Resistance is futile
nice thread
thanks
Isotoner makes gloves with conductive thread sewn on to the fingertips, they work great with my capacitive touchscreen. You can also but a spool of conductive thread from various places on the web to sew on to your own gloves if you prefer. As for a stylus, I wonder if you can buy a conductive one? I would think so.
Resistive is clearly on it's way out. Hope this helps.
mrsbelpit said:
Isotoner makes gloves with conductive thread sewn on to the fingertips, they work great with my capacitive touchscreen. You can also but a spool of conductive thread from various places on the web to sew on to your own gloves if you prefer. As for a stylus, I wonder if you can buy a conductive one? I would think so.
Resistive is clearly on it's way out. Hope this helps.
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Very cool, thanks for sharing this
mrsbelpit said:
Isotoner makes gloves with conductive thread sewn on to the fingertips, they work great with my capacitive touchscreen. You can also but a spool of conductive thread from various places on the web to sew on to your own gloves if you prefer. As for a stylus, I wonder if you can buy a conductive one? I would think so.
Resistive is clearly on it's way out. Hope this helps.
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Yeah I've seen some of these, ready for sale and selfmade solutions. The problems is that it's not entirely convienent for all cases and the gloves tend to cost a lot when dealing with more than just one device. Styluses that work on capacitive screens are also being sold so no problem there.
man ive been one of the last standing , but ive turned to capt ... resistive may be more accurate , but day to day use capacitive blows it out the water
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man ive been one of the last standing , but ive turned to capt ... resistive may be more accurate , but day to day use capacitive blows it out the water
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Resistance seems to be futile indeed But still, the keyword here is regular gloves, so rather than searching for options in special gloves or moving to capacitive, I'd like to know more about possibilities in devices (models, existing/available and upcoming) as well as other possible solutions like some sorts of films that are easy to install)
I use a capacitive stylus, which I made on a large from a piece of metal. I can't remember what metal it was though Works fine for me
tis helped me much kthx dude
Need resistive!
Have to agree Cap is best but what do you do if you need signature capture. Have tried Pogo etc but not suitable. Anyone got a soultion for signature capture on Cap screens?
Greatful for any input
This is an interesting thread and I did not realise the major difference untill now.
In reading this I dont think that you can get a signature input unless you use your fingers on the captive screens.
Hate to be negative but you're fighting a losing battle, resistive is by far on it's way out.
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highly doubt any phones will be resistive from here on out. Maybe one or two cheaper phones, but for the most part, no.
There are styli made for capacitive touchscreens -
http://www.daydeal.com/product.php?productid=45648&cat=888
The HTC one is pretty t*ts.
As the technology develops there will come a point where the best of both will be used:
i.e. piezoelectric touchscreen
Piezoelectric touch technology leading flagship Ten Smart Devices plate
While such products are popular and there are advantages/disadvantages of one technology over the other, you can be sure that companies are working on the next solution for it.
The Fascinates have Corning Gorilla Glass, which for.me is well worth the trade offs. I don't need to use a screen protector.
Man, I just realized that u put Vivaz on the resistive list, and I just know it!
Thinking to buy one, but not now. I preffered capacitive way over resistive.
AFAIK, most smartphone made in China use resistive since they love to do the handwriting thingy. Even Philips Xenium X806 still use it. You might want to check that out.. But it's a feature phone, no OS in it
As has been said, you can get a stylus for capacitive screens. A friend of mine has one and he says it works great. Any stylus sold for the iPhone or iPad should be able to work on any capacitive screen.
As far as resistive screens go, I say good riddance!
There are things that are way better on resistive touchscreens, like the stylus thing, nails, tip of finger, and so on but resistive touchscreens are loosing the battle, as stated above capacitive tscreens, support (at least easier and better) multitouch, most of them are Scratch resistant or the new gorilla glass technology, and people like how easy it is to use them no stress xD but, I'm using a LG GT540 Optimus, and I like the fact that I'm using a resistive touchscreen i can more easily paint, write, play games and so on maybe one day a we will have capacitive touchscreens supporting fingertips, pen styluses, fingernails and so on
Tried various Styli
Thanks to all who suggested the HTC stylus have tried it for sig capture and it really is not suitable have also tried pogo etc but all you end up with is an illegible scrawl on the screen.
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Ever since I got my brand new HTC Touch Pro I noticed the screen to be way less sensitive than my girlfriend's iPhone.
For example in the Contacts app, when I use my finger to scroll down or up I find myself many times opening a contact rather than the screen scrolled down or up. Same goes for many other presses on the screen with the finger. I find myself using much more force than I naturally would use with an iPhone
I wonder if my unit is faulty requirming more pressure to the screen or maybe that just the way it should be by deisgn? I assume only users who used both iPhone and Touch Pro could answer that. I don't know anybody with Diamond or Touch pro so I have no way of checking it other than asking you guys.
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Iphone and Touch Pro use different types of touch screen.
We have Capasitive screen on iPhone which doesn't require pressure, just a touch.
And we have touch-resistive screens on most of Windows Mobile (inc. Touch Pro) which are less sensitive than iPhone...
Here is a link that might help: http://www.rycom.com.au/capvsres.htm
by the nature of the technology involved to sense your touch, the pro is less sensitive than the iphone.
the iphone uses a capacitive touchscreen which senses the electrical signal around your finger whereas the tp uses a resistive touchscreen which senses where your finger presses the screen in.
resistive screens are designed for sytli, and the "gestures" and flick scrolling implemented on many htc devices are a kind of fudged system to imitate gestures on the iphone. i know on my wizard i could adjust the touch scrolling sensitivity through schaps advanced configuration tool, but i'm not sure if you can do that with the touch pro. its all about how much force/speed you use on the TP.
i know you can get used to it, and it will function properly, but it is definitely different from the iphone. good luck!
Thanks guys. Both of your replies are most helpful. I began to fear that my unit had a fault in it. Seems to make sense that is how it works after I understand it. I most appreciate the responses. Thanks.
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Thanks guys. Both of your replies are most helpful. I began to fear that my unit had a fault in it. Seems to make sense that is how it works after I understand it. I most appreciate the responses. Thanks.
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You will get better results using software designed from the ground up to be finger-friendly e.g. touchflo3d works well with only light pressure, and for contacts pocketcm also scrolls with only light pressure.
http://www.pocketcm.com/
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On the plus side, the Touch pro(and all other non-capacitance screens) are less picky. I noticed that if you use fingernails on an iPhone it will ignore you. you have to touch with your finger. Our screen will respond to anything that touches it...pen, fingernail, rock. There are +/- s to both. Just have to get used to the change.
yeah pocketcm is great for scrolling also there is pointui if you dont like touchflo that is a free app that redoes the interface all scrolling too
and i usually use my fingernail for most stuff instead of my finger
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On the plus side, the Touch pro(and all other non-capacitance screens) are less picky. I noticed that if you use fingernails on an iPhone it will ignore you. you have to touch with your finger. Our screen will respond to anything that touches it...pen, fingernail, rock. There are +/- s to both. Just have to get used to the change.
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I used a metal key depth gauge, and though it felt smooth, it put a nice scratch on the screen. It was a new replacement, and I hadn't got the screen protector yet. Good thing I'm not an anal OCD-head
Stylus' (Styli?) seem to be out of fashion at the moment, but they are far more accurate for doing work in spreadsheets and other applications with lots of data on the screen.
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Stylus' (Styli?) seem to be out of fashion at the moment, but they are far more accurate for doing work in spreadsheets and other applications with lots of data on the screen.
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agreed, i have no problem being a "geek" and whipping out the stylus, especially when it magnetically snaps back in
is there a way of using stylus in capacitive screens?
Our fingers eletricity shouldnt be conducted through the stylus metal and reach the screen? Why it doesnt work?
is it true that HTC G1 is capacitive?
G1 is capacitive
Its not so much conducting electricity, more of eminating an electric field. i know there are certain "silver fingered" gloves that let you use the ipod/iphone with gloves on, and i would guess that there are capacitive styli as well, but i havent gone searching one out.
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G1 is capacitive
Its not so much conducting electricity, more of eminating an electric field. i know there are certain "silver fingered" gloves that let you use the ipod/iphone with gloves on, and i would guess that there are capacitive styli as well, but i havent gone searching one out.
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oic, that would be nice... capacitive with stylus
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is there a way of using stylus in capacitive screens?
Our fingers eletricity shouldnt be conducted through the stylus metal and reach the screen? Why it doesnt work?
is it true that HTC G1 is capacitive?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=432122
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agreed, i have no problem being a "geek" and whipping out the stylus, especially when it magnetically snaps back in
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I have been whipping it out in public since the Palm 3.
I sometimes feel that Windows Mobile doesn't make the best use of Stylus input compared to Palm OS (tap a time to create a new appointment for example) but both zip along compared to finger presses on the iPhone for most serious work.
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Ever since I got my brand new HTC Touch Pro I noticed the screen to be way less sensitive than my girlfriend's iPhone.
Thanks
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it's due to the resistive touchscreen. it's less sensitive than the capacitive screen in the iphone.
but the touch pro screen is actually less sensitive than other htc resistive touchscreens such as the kaiser. it's much less sensitive e.g. near the edges of the screen because of the bezel underneath, you need to press harder at the edges to get it to register a touch.
this is not a rant thread but what is what is what is the hype about capacitive screens?
for one i enjoy using my nails to click stuffs on the phone and wont this be more precise?
i do not have the fortune to have a capacitive phone before but i really want to know what is so good about this?
So many pple cant be wrong right?????????
(p/s I WANT A HTC TOUCH HD 2 NOW )
First post in a long time!!!!
Well, maybe some of you have noted that i was not posting haha. its because im busy at school.. all those knowledge things etc.
Ok, when i saw that title i was already thinking in something that could make a revolutionary change O:!!
Actually, you can fit a resistive screen layer on a capacitive screen surface.
Just with the needed configuration, driver and alternation between screens (ie: using resistive for pen works as writing programs and capacitive for multi-touching things)
Imagine, using the fingertip to scroll smoothly and writing with a pen at the same time ;D! (Just an idea... no one would do that, but anyone could do ;D)
Just with the right libaries, drivers, software and OS modifications.
cuff cuff M$ could try this on its phone or for the new wm7 cuff cuff...
Just an idea ;D!
See ya !!
The sensitivity!!! Can someone confirm if the HTC HD2 has the same sensitivity to the iphone? I know it will be much better than resistive...
leobox1 said:
i do not have the fortune to have a capacitive phone before but i really want to know what is so good about this?So many pple cant be wrong right?????????
(p/s I WANT A HTC TOUCH HD 2 NOW )
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leo... while your waiting on the LEO, just go to an at&t store and play with one on an iphonie
capacitive means that you can put a screen protector on it and it will be pretty much just as sensitive =]
but perhaps the best part is that you can just glide your finger over the surface and it will respond...resistive screens are much less sensitive.
I have read somewhere that HTC was working on a capacitive stylus though..sothat would be the best of both worlds =]
am i right to assume,
resistive = precise but not sensitive
capacitive = not precise but sensitive
Isaygarcia said:
First post in a long time!!!!
Well, maybe some of you have noted that i was not posting haha. its because im busy at school.. all those knowledge things etc.
Ok, when i saw that title i was already thinking in something that could make a revolutionary change O:!!
Actually, you can fit a resistive screen layer on a capacitive screen surface.
Just with the needed configuration, driver and alternation between screens (ie: using resistive for pen works as writing programs and capacitive for multi-touching things)
Imagine, using the fingertip to scroll smoothly and writing with a pen at the same time ;D! (Just an idea... no one would do that, but anyone could do ;D)
Just with the right libaries, drivers, software and OS modifications.
cuff cuff M$ could try this on its phone or for the new wm7 cuff cuff...
Just an idea ;D!
See ya !!
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wont it be thick? the screen..
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this is not a rant thread but what is what is what is the hype about capacitive screens?
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Resistive screens work by detecting pressure, so you have to press on them, sometimes quite hard. Capacitive screens can detect the lightest of touches. So capacitive screens tend to be more responsive. If you're trying to type on an on-screen keyboard at speed then a capacitive screen is usually far better - you can actually type rapidly rather than having to methodically press. each. key. one. at. a. time.
Another important difference is that, for practical purposes, resistive screens cannot support multi-touch - they can only detect being pressed in one place at once. That means they can't do things like iPhone-style pinch-zooming which requires the phone to track you pressing in two different places at the same time. (There are multi-touch resistive displays but they're too expensive or difficult to use on a device like a phone).
The upside of resistive screens is that you can press them with almost anything. A conventional stylus won't work on a capacitive screen, neither will your fingernail - only skin. So you can't stab the screen with a convenient pen-top, and it won't work if you're wearing gloves. There has been some work done on creating special capacitive styluses - I'm not sure how well they work in practice and they're not yet widely available.
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capacitive means that you can put a screen protector on it and it will be pretty much just as sensitive =]
but perhaps the best part is that you can just glide your finger over the surface and it will respond...resistive screens are much less sensitive.
I have read somewhere that HTC was working on a capacitive stylus though..sothat would be the best of both worlds =]
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A capacitive one works like the touchpad of a laptop. Sometimes i would prefer a capacitive screen on my Touch HD but sometimes even not. Because you can get much easylier error inputs with a capacitive screen. It just needs that your finger touchs slidly the screen and a input is made. But with a resistive screen you really have to press on it.
A screen with both tecs would be nice, have read something about this, but don´t remember who is inventing this.
Don't know if it's because it's capacitive, but the iPhone screen always seems more readable in direct sunlight compared to my Touch Pro (or Touch 3G, or Touch).
For me personally, I think the problems of cold hands or a stylus not being able to work the screen outweigh the benefits. I also can't get my head around pinch to zoom - I love watching iPhone users trying to demonstrate the feature with one hand, sort of juggling it around trying not to drop it. I prefer double tapping on the bit you want to zoom in on. I can't wait to play with a Leo and see which works best in a 'Windows Phone' environment.
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For me personally, I think the problems of cold hands or a stylus not being able to work the screen outweigh the benefits. I also can't get my head around pinch to zoom - I love watching iPhone users trying to demonstrate the feature with one hand, sort of juggling it around trying not to drop it. I prefer double tapping on the bit you want to zoom in on. I can't wait to play with a Leo and see which works best in a 'Windows Phone' environment.
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Well obviously pinch-zoom is not designed to work one-handed, but then neither is using a stylus. One advantage of pinch-zoom is that it lets you pick which part of the screen you want to zoom in on and exactly how much you want to zoom in by. Using a zoom-bar doesn't give you any control over where it zooms - it'll always pick (say) the top left hand corner of the screen as a reference point; double-tapping lets you pick where to zoom, but not by how much. Other solutions require additional gestures or presses. Pinch-zooming is also extremely intuitive - non-technical people get the hang of it instantly. Other types of multi-touch gesture are often very intuitive too; for example, running Google Earth on the iPhone, if you want to rotate the map you simply take hold of it and twist.
I think it's interesting how many people were claiming that resistive is better than capacitive whenever they were trying to bash the iphone, yet now those same people can't wait to get their hands on the Leo's capacitive screen.
Personally, I'd rather have resistive. The difference in sensitivity isn't great (so many HD reviews said how close it was to the sensitivity of the iphone). Multitouch is overrated. You can easily zoom in and out with a circle motion on a resistive screen. For me, neither of those capacitive advantages comes close to the benefit of being able to select with a stylus far more accurately than you ever can with a finger. No need to pinch-zoom in to select that link on a web page, or to select a cell in a spreadsheet. That's what's important to me.
capacitive is not good for drawing precise pics right?
HP tablet laptops have some hybrid of resistive and capacitive screens. They have a switch on the side that flicks between them and so they support multi-touch AND stylus
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My mates got one and its dead impressive. Just a shame the screens only 12" If they had them on 17" laptops like the one im using i'd be well up for it!
Capacitive and pinch zoom are both well overrated!
I can touch the screen of my X1 and it responds - no pressure. And I can zoom in by double tapping. Can't see what all the fuss is about to be honest. Probably something started by iPhone fanboys!
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I totally agree. I don't want to lose the accuracy of a stylus. Why should I have to zoom in to click a small link with a fat finger, when I can click it unzoomed with a stylus? Same with a cell on a spreadsheet.
Multitouch is just a gimmick that really doesn't add anything useful. Either double tap or use the circle gesture to zoom/unzoom.
RIM applied for a patent for a dual capacitive/resistive screen about a month or two.. so someone is working on it.
http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/05/rim-patent-filing-reveals-hybrid-capacitive-resistive-touchscr/
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HP tablet laptops have some hybrid of resistive and capacitive screens. They have a switch on the side that flicks between them and so they support multi-touch AND stylus
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My mates got one and its dead impressive. Just a shame the screens only 12" If they had them on 17" laptops like the one im using i'd be well up for it!
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thats my laptop, did not know it had a hybrid screen. there no switch on the side, the pen works and the multi touch works (i think, if i press in 2 places it the marker goes to the middle) without press any switch.
People who say there x1, diamond 2s and so one are as sensitive as an iPhone, have not tried seeing how gently you can touch it.
I do like capacitives screens, but I will feel lost without a stylus.
Has anyone else noticed on the iPhone, it doesnt respond to a touch with a nail, but if you touch with you finger and then without taking your finger off put it so only your nail is on the screen it still responds!?
Hopefully HTC will soon release the capacitive stylus that isnt a joke like the pogostick one.
Shasarak does make a very good point though regarding the extra operation being involved after double tapping in a particular area - I guess I'm taking the 'scroll wheel' on my Touch Pro for granted and using it to do the second operation without even thinking about it ; )
As an aside, boy would I like to see physical scroll wheels with navipads underneath make a return, not to mention dedicated camera buttons!
As an engineer, I usually take notes by hand and make small drawings in Notes app using the stylus in my Pro2.
Will Notes work on HD2 without stylus or will it be possible using the finger? Even to write small letters by hand as I can using stylus?
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I don't think you can do it.
You'll need to find a stylus that works on capacitive screens... It may also be less precise, so you may not be able to take decent notes.
I just tried. The notes app is present, but has not been made finger-friendly. Even selecting a note sometimes result in selecting two...
Making drawings isn't handy as well, as you can't use your fingernails, nor a stylus. The capacitive styluses on the market are not good for taking notes. We'll have to wait until HTC produces their capacitive styluses they recently patented (which do have a small tip).
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Thanks for the answer.
You were the only that anderstood my question.
Your test demonstrate that may be, it's not a good decision to buy HD2 for those that need, in their work, to take notes or make sketckes by hand.
Well, you can buy a mini stylus and take it with the HD2 in your keyring or similar.
It is my option, as I want notes like on my blackstone but on the HD2
I wonder, if someone will bring out a small stylus for capacitive screens?
And also, I wonder, if something conductive would work. How exactly does a capacitive screen work? If we know this, then we can find suitable things to use as a stylus, that gives accuracy and works on the HD2 screen.
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I wonder, if someone will bring out a small stylus for capacitive screens?
And also, I wonder, if something conductive would work. How exactly does a capacitive screen work? If we know this, then we can find suitable things to use as a stylus, that gives accuracy and works on the HD2 screen.
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Thing is that the sensor on the screen itself is lower resolution than resistive, so we're unlikely to get as good precision...
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Thing is that the sensor on the screen itself is lower resolution than resistive, so we're unlikely to get as good precision...
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Ah ok. That's a shame. I was thinking about testing a conventional stylus, but coated in silver conductive paint.
A capacitive stylus must be conductive for it to work, so this may be a good idea ^^
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It surely can't just be a matter of the stylus being conductive... otherwise anyone could make one in minutes - eg a metal knitting needle - and the likes of HTC wouldn't need to file patents. I guess the issue is that the capacitive effect must be spread over a wide area of the screen to induce the current beneath...
Maybe some bright engineer could expand...?
maybe get an Acer s200 neoTouch instead.
just 3,8" but also WVGA, 1GHz and is resistive, so you can use a stylus.
PhatNotes and Phatpad both work on HD2.
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Currently I have a Touch Diamond 2 and a HD2. As much as I would like to switch to the HD2 I keep on getting back on the TD2. I simply prefer the resistive screen. Although you may have to press a little harder I just prefer the feel and accuracy of the resistive screen. To be able to use my nails (and stylus for that matter) is a big plus I think.
So I was just thinking that some of you may have some insights on where the technology is heading in regards to screen technology. Are resistive screens on their way out? Is there some kind of mix between resistive and capacitive in the works? Or something else/new?
I doubt it, there are multitouch resistive screens, and they are still much cheaper than capacitive screens. I think they'll stay around, but will be on increasingly lower end handsets. Although go look at a demo of stantum touchscreens; they're resistive, yet offer a ridiculous amount of features
At first I was all for the resistive touchscreen on my td2. That was until it decided to break on me, the layers of the screen got stuck together somehow and I had to get it repaired.
Now that I've had the chance to play with the gf's palm pre I am ready to pay extra for a cap touchscreen. It just feels so much more durable and sensitive. I really don't see a need to use a stylus or any other than finger to interact with the screen.
And there aren't really that many applications where you need overly precise touch sensitivity on a smartphone so cap all the way for me at least.
Capacitive screens seem to be the wave of the future. For me, I will never go back resistive.
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Currently I have a Touch Diamond 2 and a HD2. As much as I would like to switch to the HD2 I keep on getting back on the TD2. I simply prefer the resistive screen. Although you may have to press a little harder I just prefer the feel and accuracy of the resistive screen. To be able to use my nails (and stylus for that matter) is a big plus I think.
So I was just thinking that some of you may have some insights on where the technology is heading in regards to screen technology. Are resistive screens on their way out? Is there some kind of mix between resistive and capacitive in the works? Or something else/new?
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The stylus is a good feel for us few.
I enjoy both the resistive screen with the stylus and capacitive screens, but finger friendliness is what people look for.
The biggest reason I like using the resistive screen, especially at this time of the year is because I can wear gloves and it still picks up input, where as on my Zune with its capacitive screen it doesn't pick up the input when wearing gloves.
If your talking bout current resistive screens yes.
If your talking about resistive screens like Stantum ones then No.
I really really have a dislike for capacitive. Cant even draw stuff properly on capacitive screens.
Keep in mind that few people draw or transcribe symbols in their phone.
As a matter of fact, the stylus is accurate but it is never smooth as when drawing with a pencil or paint brush and writing letters for that matter.
No matter what stylus and screen you use, your handwriting will be super ugly.
So there is really no logical use for stylus based touch screen.
When a super phone comes out that someone likes, I will promise you that he or she will enjoy capacitive more. And even if resistive screens also support multitouch, you still have the feel that your screen is unresponsive.
Most people expect touch screens to be so sensitive that pressure is almost not even needed.
For many phone users the capacitive screen is a better choice, where response is more important than accuracy. But there will still be a need for resistive screens for some buisness applications where accuracy is of importance.
I need my stylus
Resistive is just more versatile for my tastes.
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And even if resistive screens also support multitouch, you still have the feel that your screen is unresponsive.
Most people expect touch screens to be so sensitive that pressure is almost not even needed.
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I thought the whole point with the next gen resistive screens, besides multitouch, is that they are supersensitive.
I dont know if youve seen the tech demos. I dont have any links for the videos right now. What ive seen from those videos it seems sensitive enough.
However im guessing that we wont see this tech on phones for a while. Because of the iphone and it having a capacitive screen people have got it into their heads over the years that capacitive is the future. Now winmobile 6.5 phones are coming with capacitive screens and winphone 7 devices will be capacitive only.
So we probably wont see this for some time to come.
Also I think the tech for the newer resistive screens isnt ready
for markets. It seems more like just prototypes and it's probably
alot more expensive than capactive screens.
Am I wrong on this?
Here is a article about (capacitive) screen / the iPhone screen in particular....
http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/02/1...ll-have-the-best-touchscreen-in-the-industry/
I agree with the author and I also really don't get why development hasn't been pushed further on this point.
Most of the latest smartphones and upcoming phones appear to have capacative screens and they seem to be the preferred type. However, I still use a resistive screen and I recently borrowed an HTC HD2 with capactive screen and I was not that impressed.
Certainly, they do resopond to a lighter touch but for me that was an irritation as I would regularly accidentally touch/select something by mistake. My Touch Pro2 resistive screen does not require much more pressure on the screen but just enough that it is hard to select something accidentally. I also like to use my finger nail to select which of course you cannot do with a capactive screen. Selecting some of the smaller menus in Windows Mobile is quite difficult on a capactive screen.
The other reason I like using my finger nail is to minimize finger marks on the screen. I noticed when using a capactive screen that it was covered in finger marks very quickly.
So, are capactive screens really "better"? I have held off upgrading my Touch Pro2 as I do not think that capactive screens are better than some of the latter resistive screens. However, it seems that if I do want to upgrade my phone in due course I am going to have to go with a capactive screen.
Maybe my Touch Pro2 will serve me for a while longer yet!
Well,first off,windows mobile isn't so finger friendly.If you use android with a capacitive screen it's much more pleasant.Secondly,capacitive screens allow the use of better materials like glass,which are more scratch-proof(see HTC HD2 and knife video at youtube to see what I mean),offer better image quality and phones using capacitive screens can be thinner.There is more,but that's what I can think of now!
Hope it helps!
It depends on what you're using it in, but I prefer a nice resistive screen over capacitive: almost as sensitive, and you can use a stylus. Although I have yet to see a multitouch resistive screen on winmo.
Yes capasitive is way way way better and more responsive. You can't stylus it in fine detail like a resistive LCD but the capasitive screens are super sensetive and you don't have to hit the same button like 3 times. On the other hand if you looking to hit a tiny small little spot its sometimes kinda hard with the capasitive LCD, but can be done with a lil practice and knowledge of how it works.
I tell people to get the HD2 over any old winmo phone even if it's just for the capacitive screen.
Windows Mobile and resistive screens always went together because resistive screens supported stylus input, necessary to hit WM's ridiculously small buttons. Nowadays Android, iOS, and Windows Phone 7 have been re-imagined with finger usage in mind and a capacitive touchscreen is by far the best way to control a phone with just your finger. Personally, I never liked the "feel" of resistive screens, whether I was using a stylus or my finger; it's hard to pinpoint exactly what I mean, but when I switched to capacitive I had no desire to return to resistive.
All that said, resistive is still the king for any sort of handwriting recognition or things that require the precision only a stylus can supply.
Yeah once you try capacitive properly you'll never go back... being able to TOUCH not PRESS is so much better, makes the touchscreen interface much more pleasant. Its better for not just pressing, but sliding etc.
Not to mention mulitouch
Although not winmo, a good device that I'd consider an upgrade to a Touch Pro2 with a resistive screen is the Nokia N900. It's sensitive enough that a fairly light touch works fine, but not overly that accidental touches will register.
I do personally like capactive screens though, on most phones.
I'm a fan of resistive screens, if you are using VNC etc to control a desktop machine
from your phone you really need a stylus.
For everday phone use capacitative is better..
Problem with the HD2 is that the screen sensitivity is very high, especially in the 1.48 ROM that most devices ship with. I am using a custom ROM and then I also reduce the screen sensitivity using BsB Tweaks and precision is very good.
I wonder if they will come out with a capacitive screen pen to be able to use handwriting recognition on the newer screens. I am old school and did not learn typing, so I am a multi-finger hunt and peck kind of guy when I type, although with only being able to use two thumbs or less on the phones pop up keyboard I do not think I would have too much trouble if I lost the ability to handwrite. I just find writing more natural. I really like my handwriting recognition on my Fuze.
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but the capasitive screens are super sensetive and you don't have to hit the same button like 3 times.
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It's WM fault, not screen fault. Try high-quality restive screens with Symbian (N97), no need to re-hit
My vote is for resistive. Most productivity software (like Excel Mobile) works MUCH better with a stylus. I can comfortably and accurately work with EM at 50% zoom on a Fuze. Except for dialing and SMS, I use the stylus for everything. No matter how sensitive capacitive is, you will never be as accurate with your finger as a stylus.
I'm just getting a tp2 now. I think it's going to be my last phone for a LONG while. I need a resistive screen and slideout keyboard, since my only concern is being productive with productivity software. I don't know of any phones in the works that offer the combination I need.
Well,when speaking about hardware and screen size like the Hero's then yes,resistive might be more accurate(for me not better at any rate),but when speaking about high-end phones,such as the Desire(Classic,HD and Z) or the Galaxy S,with so much power and such big screens,all this talk about them lacking accuracy is complete mumbo-jumbo(I'd be rude if I said bull****,wouldn't I? ).Have you ever tried these phones actually?They make my (old) Diamond's screen seem like a child's toyphone or some badly made copy of a current phone.
Plus the fact that with resistive you can use high-quality glass with scratch proof coatings instead of plastic is a huge advantage for me!
Just my opinion though!
The only thing I like about capacitative screens are the durability aspect. The biggest thing I hate? Can't use anything but your finger (those fat styluses are just as good as using your finger...). I'd go capacitative anytime though just for durability. I like knowing that my device will last.