This is going to be my Fiance's first smartphone - HTC Inspire 4G

My fiance has made her first to a smart phone and the Inspire was her top pick. We should have the phone Tuesday. I know have to set her up with a G-mail account. Her being a first time android and smart phone user I am trying to figure out what are some good tips for her and software for her to get.
I have been using smart phones MS and Android compined for I think about 8+ years now. I have not been a newbe for a long time. What can I do to help her so she does not get fustrated with the phone?

Since she hasn't been tainted by the iPhone like my wife was, i wouldn't worry too much.
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Just teach her to walk thru it. She should be happy with it. My wife is. Introduce her to the market. Show her how to change themes, skins, and wallpapers. Download her some apps to do it. Woman seem to happy when they can match the theme colors and wallpapers for different looks. Kind of like with clothes and shoes.
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Best Verizon Wireless phone (Opinions)

Alright, So my brother is looking to get a Refurbished Verizon smartphone.
All he basically wants to do on it is browse the web, check email, and light gaming. His choices are the Samsung Fascinate (I have this one), Droid X, Droid Incredible, Droid 2 Global.
I want your opinion on which you think the best smartphone out of these phones is.
Thank You.
Then he doesn't need a smartphone.
what do you mean?
If your brother only wants to check email, browse the internet and game here and there why does he need a smartphone?
I can tell you right now, that 3/4 people on these forums don't NEED a smartphone. He's just jumping on the bandwagon, I don't really use a smartphone for what its intended for.
P.S. what do YOU use your smartphone for?
I just need opinions, not wether he need a smartphone or not.
If you don't mind waiting a few weeks, the HTC Trophy (Windows Phone 7) should be annouced soon. Windows Phone 7 has gotten tons of great reviews and is claimed to blow away Android and the iPhone in the performance end. It does everyting you want and even has Xbox live support (a lot of great games).
Just a thought if your not fixed on Android...
Main reason why I bought my HD2 was to mod it, watch movies, browse internet on the huge screen, listen to music, text,... but if i had to choose between the phones you listed I would go with the Fascinate. My friend has one and the screen on that thing is pretty beast.
Ohh yeah but if he could wait i would be all over the htc thunderbolt haha
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I can tell you right now, that 3/4 people on these forums don't NEED a smartphone. He's just jumping on the bandwagon, I don't really use a smartphone for what its intended for.
P.S. what do YOU use your smartphone for?
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DavidinCT said:
If you don't mind waiting a few weeks, the HTC Trophy (Windows Phone 7) should be annouced soon. Windows Phone 7 has gotten tons of great reviews and is claimed to blow away Android and the iPhone in the performance end. It does everyting you want and even has Xbox live support (a lot of great games).
Just a thought if your not fixed on Android...
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Thanks for the feedback, but since he's getting a refurb those are the current choices he has, but thanks anyway
JDM_HD2 said:
Main reason why I bought my HD2 was to mod it, watch movies, browse internet on the huge screen, listen to music, text,... but if i had to choose between the phones you listed I would go with the Fascinate. My friend has one and the screen on that thing is pretty beast.
Ohh yeah but if he could wait i would be all over the htc thunderbolt haha
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Now thats what i'm looking for, but like i said hes going for a refurb, so i doubt he would get the Thunderbolt pre-owned. (i wish opon a star)
Anyone else want to share their opinions or should I just tell him to get a Fascinate?
I say Fascinate. It will do everything he wants with it still being stock.
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Avelnan said:
Alright, So my brother is looking to get a Refurbished Verizon smartphone.
All he basically wants to do on it is browse the web, check email, and light gaming. His choices are the Samsung Fascinate (I have this one), Droid X, Droid Incredible, Droid 2 Global.
I want your opinion on which you think the best smartphone out of these phones is.
Thank You.
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would the phone choice be dependent upon who he has as a carrier? I like my evo, and Droid Incredible and my son has an Evo Shift he really likes. My son did have a Samsung Epic that he did NOT like.
All of the aforementioned phones will do exactly what your brother wants out of his phone, whether it be smart or not. However, out of past experiences, I would say the Droid OS is pretty stable, and becomes even better when flashed
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All of the aforementioned phones will do exactly what your brother wants out of his phone, whether it be smart or not. However, out of past experiences, I would say the Droid OS is pretty stable, and becomes even better when flashed
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Moto Droid?
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More opinions? He's coming over tomorrow so I can help choose a phone.
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Inspire for a NON geek.

My wife is due for a new phone and is moving to ATT with me, she wants a smart phone but not an iPhone because it's not in the budget right now. I love my inspire but I like to tinker with everything. Does anyone out there have a significant other, not geek type with an Inspire? Do they like it?
Her expertise with smartphones isn't great but she does ok to use my ipad and iPod touch. I'm considering the Inspire or a *gasp* Windows 7 phone.
Thoughts?
I would say an inspire is fine as long as she can live with the battery life. If not windows mobile.. My wife has a captivate, and refuses to let me root it and flash a custom rom. She likes my inspire a lot stock and rooted with core droid. Its an awesome little phone.
What I usually do to decide is just go to an ATT store where they have working models and just play around with a phone and decide if I like it or not.
That's our plan this week.
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Why is used iPhone not an option? You'll still have to pay for data anyway and since she's comfortable with IOS seems like a no-brainer to me?
Because she doesn't want to spend that much. Inspire can be had for as little as 69 bucks.
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My wife is as non-tech as can be. She used to have an iPhone 3GS. I got the her the Inspire and she is loving it. Get the phone for your wife, she will love it. Just be tender guiding her through the features.
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Because she doesn't want to spend that much. Inspire can be had for as little as 69 bucks.
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Inspire can be had at Costco for free on a new or added line, and $20 for upgrades. So at the worst you can get a year's Costco membership ($50) and an Inspire for the same money.
That being said, you'll be buying a data package of at least $15 or $360 over 2 years or $600 for the 2GB plan. If you're paying that much for a data package, why cheap out up front so she can settle for something she doesn't want? Everyone here knows that stock has some serious issues, so your options are to root it and be your wife's phone IT support for ever, or get her an iPhone and let her visit the Apple store in the mall if she has any trouble. Domestic harmony is how I justify paying the Apple tax on my wife's iPhone and Mac habit, which smooths things over for my hackable gadget habit.
I would not be surprised if Captivates drop very quickly now with the Atrix and Inspire out on AT&T. I still enjoy playing with both of my Captivates as they are very forgiving and still have an awesome display.....
gunnyman said:
My wife is due for a new phone and is moving to ATT with me, she wants a smart phone but not an iPhone because it's not in the budget right now. I love my inspire but I like to tinker with everything. Does anyone out there have a significant other, not geek type with an Inspire? Do they like it?
Her expertise with smartphones isn't great but she does ok to use my ipad and iPod touch. I'm considering the Inspire or a *gasp* Windows 7 phone.
Thoughts?
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My wife and stepdaughter both got the Inspire after falling in love with mine. My other stepdaughter got the Iphone 3GS which, last I looked, AT&T had priced at $50.
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Because she doesn't want to spend that much. Inspire can be had for as little as 69 bucks.
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iPhone 3GS is $50
Hey gunny, my wife tried out my inspire for a day and never returned it.
XACTLY!! this is my problem too
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Hey gunny, my wife tried out my inspire for a day and never returned it.
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Yep, I only get to play with it on the weekends, and I am stuck during the week using her European GSM Motorola A1200. -Glenn
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iPhone 3GS is $50
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And old.
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Well, not my significant other, but my mom just got one, after me talking it up, and she's been using an iTouch, so an iPhone would've been the natural choice, but she insists on having any new gadget she gets being brand new, so a used iPhone was not an option.
Given the price of the inspire on contract at Costco, compared to that of an iPhone, not to mention my recommendation of the inspire, the choice was easy.
It'll take her some time to 'convert', but with my help she'll be ok.
She likes the phone, she's just overwhelmed by the newness of Android. I keep telling her that since she's already familiar with the touch screen type of device, she's got more of a head start on learning the new phone than she realizes.
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the inspire can be as user friendly as you want it to be. modders and devs don't like sense because its bloated and doesn't let you control a lot of things...but it does (generally) provide for a pretty smooth user experience. i know my wife was pretty interested in the htc weather widget screen animations and live wallpapers and other things like that.
that being said, maybe something as small as an aria would be a good idea...less of a powerhouse, better battery life and whatnot.
My wife used an Aria for about 8 months, her very first smart phone, and she was very comfortable using it. She describes Android as intuitive and easy to use, and it gave her plenty of options to customize her usage. 60% phone calls, 20% text, 20% weather/maps/internet search & games. I got an Inspire on day 1, and she was jealous from that moment on. We just go an Inspire last week for her, and now she even has a Google account.
Gunny, you may be the developer in the house, but your wife may surprise you and start tinkering when you put the right phone in your hand!
Just returned from the store. 2 INSPIRES in the house now
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Knew that was coming but did not want to be a Smart ---! LOL
I am sure you both will live happily ever after!

Tired of your HTC inspire?

I still like my inspire I'm not really interested on the new phones etc.Droid razr., galaxy nexus...
I'm holding my inspire till the HTC edge comes out =D
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Vivid disappointed me, and inspire is still quite a capable device , I think I will hold onto to it..
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I get bored with phones very easily but once i got my Inspire i wanted to keep it for more than a month or 2 (which was the shelf life for a phone to me for a long time) So i rooted it to keep me busy/interested, and when i get bored i dive deeper into the root to make it better.But im at a point now where i dont know enough to go much further, and the onlyfriends i have that are into phones like i am are through here. So its hard to actually be taught anything. So i really want a new phone but not sure which direction i should go, or if i should hold out till the new batch of phones is out. In short, why cant i be satisfied with a phone nfor more than a few months?
Nope i wanna stick around until a while. The inspire is a great device
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I will stick with it because I am on a contract and the phone is quite capable. And new phones come daily so if you sell inspire for dual core phone then quad core will come soon
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I've found the Inspire to be one of the best phones I've ever owned. I think I'd only put the G1 above it in terms of phones I loved owning. The Inspire has given me 0 problems, has tons of dev support and is still very fast/snappy to use.
Not tired of it at all. I do lust for the Galaxy Nexus or the Razr while laying in bed at night...but I feel bad about it in the morning.
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Not tired of it at all. I do lust for the Galaxy Nexus or the Razr while laying in bed at night...but I feel bad about it in the morning.
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Lol to this
Also, I do find myself getting bored with it easily. Definitely an amazing device, but damn that Galaxy Nexus is tempting. If only it had the 8MP camera!
I actually really like my Inspire still, It's still a very capable device. I am going to be due for an upgrade in the next few months and i am going to be holding on to this phone i think for a while. Till something really catches my eye, because i really want to get another HTC device. The galaxy nexus looks sweet but im not a fan of Samsung's use of so much plastic on their phones.
My inspire makes me pancakes for breakfast every morning. I'll probably keep it until I'm tired of pancakes or my pants don't fit anymore.
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That's what's so great about Android and being rooted. Get bored, flash a new ROM. Voila, new phone
No way! I love my Inspire still, it's a great phone, everything is really smooth with it right now. I'll probably hang on to it for another 18 months till i have another upgrade.
I really like my Inspire. I can not find a reason to upgrade. Nothing else out does anything different. I need a new Experiance before I will upgrade again. (or my contract is up). I had a Windows phone and modded the hell out of it and then, I went Iphone and modded it to death, and then andriod. Modded to death. See my pattern, each was a new experience. I will need a reason to leave my phone before I will.
meh...
After having issues with the battery life, I'm ready to upgrade to something with a larger battery & better screen. I'm not really hating on the phone, just disappointed with it.
Next phone I buy will be at cost, since I picked it up for $100 with a new contract.
I'm not tired of it (took 2 months only) but maybe if a little disappointed, I was recently at a concert and record some songs but my disappointment came into play, pesimo sound seemed pfffff q was in a machine room, something my old iphone that never happened to me, but good either me every day I live concerts as he remains so until q together for my new iphone 4s.
I have to say I like it and can deal with the few minor probs like battery life until the edge is released or equal to it. Sense I buy all my phones at cost I am willing to wait and see the next Gen device and right now everything else is just too weak to justify upgrading yet
So far I'm lovin' it. While this IS my first smartphone, I'd have to say I'm impressed overall with the phone. One thing bugs me though. I don't take a lot of pictures, but when I do, I like to not have to set my whitebalance to fluorescent every time I want to take a low light picture with my flash... I kinda wish the coders had implemented where if the camera sees low light, and decides to use the flash, to just set the whitebalance to fluorescent. Ahh the little things.
Overall I like the build quality, for ME it's been a solid phone, and I love modding it. Endless entertainment!
i've had mine for a couple months and it's the best phone i've ever owned and im happy with it but honestly im bored. Too many sense rom's are the same and CM7 just dosen't interest me anymore and i've been using MIUI for the last couple weeks but i'm getting to the point where i can't really expand it that much more. I'm going to try to convince my dad (im only 14) to kick my brother off of our family plan and make him go to a gophone plan as he's 19 and dosen't use his phone much and then pay the ETF and switch to verizon, with christmas coming up i think he'll do it but i'll just have to wait
Tired of it? Heck no! This is my fifth Android device and I love it. To me nothing else out at the moment is compelling enough to switch. I love the actual build quality of the phone. Too many other phones just have too much plastic on them and they feel cheap. This phone is solid. Its plenty fast and well supported in the community. My contract is up in August of 2012 so if it doesn't get bricked before then, that is what I will be using. I look forward to see the offerings then.
I've had the inspire since launch day and it has lived up to the billing so far. There's really nothing you can't do with this phone. I live in Houston which has LTE but I'm working in Odessa right now so there's no need for me to jump into an LTE device just yet. They barely have hspa+ rolled out down here. I'll probably wait until next year for the new slate of devices, when att broadens their LTE footprints.
For now I'm enjoying my inspire
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I love my inspire but like others am bored of the same old roms. Wanted the vivid but with the tegra 3 quad core already in the new transformer 2 tablet I think I might wait. And Samsung I believe has a phone called the flex that is supposed to come out q2 2012 with a flexible screen and body I think there are too many better phones in the near future to justify using my upgrade now and waiting two more years to get something better. Girl I work with just ordered the vivid so i will just look at it when she gets it and go from there
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What device introduced you to the Android world?

I remember back in the days, when the phones actually were used for phone calls and maybe couple of texts. I'm not that old school, at least at she 30, I still consider myself pretty young. Growing up, racing cars was my passion. After becoming an adult, getting married and having kids, everything changed for me. Couldn't spend the amount of cash I used to on cars. So I decided to sell my car. And with having experience only on couple flip phones, including the EXE, I decided to order a blackberry Curve 8330. I stated getting interest in the tweaking and messing with it. Updating firmwares was about the most exciting thing I was doing back them. One day I walked in a radio shack store, and there it was, the HTC HD2. Immediately feel in love with the big screen and design. It was love at first sight. Being a windows phone didn't matter at the time, since I was not familiar with the Android world, so I didn't know better. Then, came across XDA, and everything changed. Started reading about Android and the goodies that it had, and found out that there was a way to boot Android on my device from the as card. Had the first taste, and never looked back. Currently own a Samsung galaxy Note, running ICS 4.0.4, and I'm loving it.
That's the way I was introduced to this amazing world, with all this amazing people, willing to sacrifice time with the family and restless nights cooking awesome software for people that they not even know, and many times aren't even grateful of their job. Thanks Android, for giving me a great opportunity of interacting with awesome and brilliant people. And grateful for this great hobby.
for me it was the HTC G1, Edge speed on At&t was awful but I really loved the phone
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My friend had that phone, but at the time I didn't even had an idea of what it was.
The nexus one! Amazing phone at the time. I still have it running ICS as a backup phone.
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I've had a cellular phone since before cellular was available to the public (worked for an equipment mfg and was part of the field trials). Since then, I've had a butt load of phones. My first smart phone was Windows CE, had several WIndows Mobile phones after that. Then came the Dell Streak - fell in love with Android and will never go to anything else. Current phone is the GNote, just wish it would get ICS soon.
HTC Hero, sense was an awful experience. Everything about that phone was laggy but i loved the design of it.
HTC g2 i always bragged on how much the little device Could do
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original HTC EVO Here only had it a short time though Play store wasnt what it is today I went back to iPhone till the note came out now i'm sold
June 2010 I got the Motorola backflip I feel in love with Android but after the first 6 months the processor at 528 mhz was unbearably slow. The great devs created cm7 for it which just barley made it bearable to wait until February when my contract was up. I had no problems moving from the 3.1in screen to the 5.2 in screen on the note. I still think having the keyboard on the back than flipping backwards is the best design for a phone with a keyboard.
My first Android device was the Mytouch 3g Slide. I absolutely loved that phone. I rooted it and threw CM on it and the phone was blazing. Later that same year, I went and purchased my first vanilla Android device, the HTC G2. Never thought about getting a non vanilla Android since.
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My first Android device was the Dell Streak! Will never go smaller than 5 inch screen!
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Motorola Backflip.
It was a pretty terrible phone, but my first smartphone with a data plan.
Ive had my fare share of phone over the years. My Signature below shows all of them in order....I loved WM phones and being able to flash all the different roms that everyone on XDA made for them. So of course once I could finally got an android that would work on att I switched over and loved it ever since! The TMobile HD2 was my switch over phone...running both WM and android...it was nice having WM for daily use and Android to start playing with and use to so once the HTC Aria came out I made the full switch to android.
My first was a blackberry curve, I didn't do anything to it and didn't know much about phones at that time. Then I upgraded to the galaxy s captivate. with XDA's help I learned how to customize it the way I wanted! I retired my captivate for the note and I love this phone, and am grateful for all the devs on here to help me customize this beast.
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Yeah same here. I started with the HTC 8125 and Tilt 2(winmo). Then came across the Dell Streak when the Tilt 2 was discontinued for sale. Now a note. Love Android!
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I've had a cellular phone since before cellular was available to the public (worked for an equipment mfg and was part of the field trials). Since then, I've had a butt load of phones. My first smart phone was Windows CE, had several WIndows Mobile phones after that. Then came the Dell Streak - fell in love with Android and will never go to anything else. Current phone is the GNote, just wish it would get ICS soon.
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HTC touch ( ran android beta on it) official device was the Google Ion.
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The Dell Streak. I was won over by the 5" display. Love that phone and still have it as my backup device. The Note was the only viable sucessor to the Streak. Loving the Note now!
Started with G1 as my first android phone. I thought it was awesome phone at that time. But started playing with all the rooting and changing roms is with my fav Nexus One. That phone was one of my favorite phones ever.
HTC HD2 was my first device
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Started smartphones with the HTC dash running winmo on TMobile. Then iPhone 3g. Got bored of that after a year, pounced on the Captivate and never looked back. From the captivate I got the infuse and now my note. Long live Android. =]
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[Q] Best Starter Android Device

Before anyone accuses me of not searching... I already saw http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=797411 and it hasn't been posted in for 2 years.
With that said, I have a handful of employees in my office here who have asked me about some of the recent Android devices that have come out.
All of them are Apple users and are self professed fanboys who admit they enjoy being spoon fed technology. BUT... they have all watched how productive I am using only my HTC Thunderbolt running ICS... something they have to use their iPhone, iPad AND Macbooks to keep up with me... even our owner asked why he never saw me on my laptop in meetings and projects like all the others were... and now they all want to capture what I have managed to do with one little device.
I know I could order some Nexus 4s and call it a day but I know that is asking for trouble with Apple users... I have already watched a few struggle and return their Galaxy Note IIs after a few days of use.
So with that in mind, and given I CANNOT spend all day every day training them on a new device, does anyone have any recommendations on a specific device that will not spook the iAdults? Or a resource like an app or website that will help them get through the basics without me shadowing them the entire time?
I am looking for simple and productive vs. a powerhouse for these guys... just something to ease them into Android before I pitch the move to a Nexus product. For now all they need is email, the Lync application and some quality video playback so I can take their iPads away. If I can make that transition smooth... I am sure I can raise their level of technology prowess and unlock them from super expensive Apple products they do not really need.
Thanks!
IMHO Nexus should be preferred because of pure vanilla experience.
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best android starting device is the droid incredible. simple and perfectly sized. best phone ever made for its time
Any new Motorola droids or nexus4. Nexus should be easy. I got my (then) 8 yr old sister out of apples grasp with a nexus device and she'll never go back to icrap.
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I don't know, wouldn't configuring simple things for them on *any* decent Android phone work? I guess I don't personally see a big difference in usability since they're all pretty much the same, using the same exact concepts.
This is my first Android phone and I've already taught my mom - who has never had a smartphone, and doesn't really understand her computer, to use an android tablet - and she's doing fine.
If they're not willing to spend five minutes learning how to use it, it's not going to work no matter what you do. :/ My dad went from a flip phone to a high-end Android phone. It's really not that hard - they need to just be open to learning.
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True any phone will be as easy as the next. But if they are coming from icrap I say go nexus because they are use to getting updates as soon as they are released. Plus aosp is extremely bare and simple. Tw or sense have a lot of bloat and crap most people don't need.
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galaxy s3 sohuld be the best starting phone for androidP
Gs3 are great. Gotta love NFC sharing.
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I think an HTC j butterfly , sense is very user friendly and has tons of useful widjet for work, with a great mail and tasks app, the 1080p screen will be perfect for films and other stuff, plus HTC device's screens have very similir iphone's display calibration, the 5inch will be great for e-mail and webrowsing but not too big like the note 2, expandable memory so they can easily transfer files and they get also 50gb of dropbox free space and last but not least an integretion with the 'HTC media link hd' that could help(search it yourself on Google).
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I'll recommend Samsung galaxy S3. Mark my words, You will stick to it...
The new Evo 4G LTE is very nice. Big screen, thin, light, and runs really well. My wife got one for a work phone and she loves it.
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The new Evo 4G LTE is very nice. Big screen, thin, light, and runs really well. My wife got one for a work phone and she loves it.
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i would personally recommend this as well.
Galaxy Nexus has no peers. Always has the most updated OS. Super dependable and a great way to learn Droid.
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I suppose the Nexus "whatever is current" would be the way to go since vanilla android shenanigans. Had an SGS3, really enjoyed it (first time I ever had a top-o-line device at the time it was at its peak). Currently have a note2, and I really do think it is a median for a smartphone/tablet. IMO, it is THAT much better than a SGS3. It functions the same as any other quality/or better android device, AND it has the s-pen and a larger screen to feel comfortable to do more with.
I have not ever been one for tablets really, as I have a laptop and decent size smartphone, the Note2 makes it even more reason to leave the tabs to everyone else. Better screen, better ppi, less costly (only buying one device vs 2).
Not to say there is much experience necessary for using a (cr)apple or ios powered device, if one is semi-capable at using it the leap to android is not that far off. Of course, things have their "getting used to" but once the power is unleashed and the people that can grasp the capabilities do, it is an amazing thing.
Yes, you can use a stylus and such with S3 or other comperable device, but the fact that it comes with one. And even buying retail price is cheaper than an iPHail phone and or tab.

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