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Hi, I'm on Sprint phone carrier and I really want the HD2 phone, but I don't want to switch to another carrier, but Sprint said they are going to release HTC Supersonic phone which suppose to have same physical specs as HD2 but AMOLED screen and !no! Android! I don't want the android! I've been using WM since age of 5! I don't know what to do, so depressed. If it could be possible to dump HD2 rom and put it on HTC Supersonic... that could be cool... please tell me if something like that is at least theoretically possible.
It's incredibly unlikely, if not impossible, to put Windows Mobile on a device that didn't ship with it. In fact, no one's ever done it before, because it's way to difficult. The biggest problem is that Windows Mobile lacks a HAL, meaning that the kernel must directly support the hardware. This means that Windows Mobile ROMs are highly device dependant, and will not work on other devices for which they were not made for. In short, it's not going to happen. You'd have better luck purchasing a popular HTC Windows Mobile device and hoping someone ports Android to it. Sorry...
It's not possible to run Windows Mobile on Android devices. While there has been ports to do the reverse (Android on WM) like AndrOMINA, the hardware has to support Windows Mobile (which some CPUs don't) and the SPL (Secondary Program Loader) has to be configured to boot the WM ROM.
Android devices have their NAND Chips divided into various partitions, however WM has it all-in-one partition (correct me if I'm wrong).
Why do you want Windows Mobile on an Android device? Unless you know your techie stuff, pay Microsoft for the Windows Mobile source code, compile and test it on your Android device, not to mention the tasks of flashing, rooting, etc.
In other words, if you want Windows Mobile, go buy a WM phone that's out on the market today. Otherwise, if you get an Android phone, get used to android.
Windows Mobile will eventually die, while open source goodness will march on. (This is just my personal opinion, I don't hate Windows Mobile, but it's closed source and you can't do as much as you can with Android).
Cheers.
Coburn64 said:
Windows Mobile will eventually die, while open source goodness will march on. (This is just my personal opinion, I don't hate Windows Mobile, but it's closed source and you can't do as much as you can with Android).
Cheers.
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I ran Android on my phone and played around with it... i didn't really liked it because it's not as customizable as windows mobile. Like I changed the registry on my phone and now I have free tethering on Sprint where I have to pay something like $40 to use it... on Android I simply couldn't find the calibration tool because my touch screen is a little messy. I have nothing against Android or Iphone OS, but I preffer Windows Mobile more for it's customizability so to say. Also I have perfect set of software for it that I only going to use... I hope windows mobile will survive and continue living... also i hope android will progress too.
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I ran Android on my phone and played around with it... i didn't really liked it because it's not as customizable as windows mobile. Like I changed the registry on my phone and now I have free tethering on Sprint where I have to pay something like $40 to use it... on Android I simply couldn't find the calibration tool because my touch screen is a little messy. I have nothing against Android or Iphone OS, but I preffer Windows Mobile more for it's customizability so to say. Also I have perfect set of software for it that I only going to use... I hope windows mobile will survive and continue living... also i hope android will progress too.
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Why do people hate WinMo though?
Its pretty great and the experience is good, if you talk about WinMo in a Iphone or Android forum they will act like you said a forbidden word and vice-versa.
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Why do people hate WinMo though?
Its pretty great and the experience is good, if you talk about WinMo in a Iphone or Android forum they will act like you said a forbidden word and vice-versa.
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Because YOU use winmo. What's not to hate?
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Why do people hate WinMo though?
Its pretty great and the experience is good, if you talk about WinMo in a Iphone or Android forum they will act like you said a forbidden word and vice-versa.
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Haha, that's true... I can understand those people, it's simply because they don't know all the features of WinMo and all smooth experience of Iphone or Android is a big + for those OS, after them you look at WinMo as a shabby and old-style OS, but... I like this feature on my phone for example: If i don't have my phone with me or it's charging in the bedroom i can simply access it over the internet and just drag'n'drop whatever files i need! Or login to my phone and check my messages, not even getting up from the couch or touching the phone!
This is a great + of WinMo and a grat - of other platforms. Other phones have cool stuff too like Google app store and Iphone store...
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Because YOU use winmo. What's not to hate?
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I don't actually use the phone, I just put Roms on it for my brother.I may play around with it though. I've owned a Iphone, touch pro and now have a Dream.Can't wait for that X10 though.
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I don't actually use the phone, I just put Roms on it for my brother.I may play around with it though. I've owned a Iphone, touch pro and now have a Dream.Can't wait for that X10 though.
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Personally waiting for the dragon/bravo, a 4in. screen just seems TOO big. There's good big, then there is TOO big, the x10 is verging on TOO big. Great for typing, not so much for fitting in pockets.
Even if its not possible to run full blown Windows Mobile on an Android device, is there a way to emulate Windows Mobile within it? I have a large catalog of medical programs from WinMo that aren't yet available for Android and I really wish I could still use them. They're so useful, I'm half tempted to carry my old Tilt around without its SIM card. I would certainly pay for a program that let me use these old programs on my Android device and I believe others would too.
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It's not possible to run Windows Mobile on Android devices. While there has been ports to do the reverse (Android on WM) like AndrOMINA, the hardware has to support Windows Mobile (which some CPUs don't) and the SPL (Secondary Program Loader) has to be configured to boot the WM ROM.
Android devices have their NAND Chips divided into various partitions, however WM has it all-in-one partition (correct me if I'm wrong).
Why do you want Windows Mobile on an Android device? Unless you know your techie stuff, pay Microsoft for the Windows Mobile source code, compile and test it on your Android device, not to mention the tasks of flashing, rooting, etc.
In other words, if you want Windows Mobile, go buy a WM phone that's out on the market today. Otherwise, if you get an Android phone, get used to android.
Windows Mobile will eventually die, while open source goodness will march on. (This is just my personal opinion, I don't hate Windows Mobile, but it's closed source and you can't do as much as you can with Android).
Cheers.
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Question, have you ever used a windows mobile phone? For the record WinMo is already dead, it died at 6.5 and likely isnt coming back in any form. We have windows phone 7now which is an entirely different OS altogether but has nothing to do with WinMo other than the distributor. Windows mobile is the single most customizable phone operating system out there. It's the only one you can customize every single aspect was. The main problem with it is you have to customize it before its really functional. Windows phone, though it lacks customization has a nicer UI than android or iphone by default and is capable of running much more powerful applications than android. I mean pick your poison but at least go into a conversation knowing what you're talking about but android though open is nowhere near as open as windows mobile.
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My 3.8 inch screen fits well in my jean's pocket, or you can get a holster!!
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Haha, that's true... I can understand those people, it's simply because they don't know all the features of WinMo and all smooth experience of Iphone or Android is a big + for those OS, after them you look at WinMo as a shabby and old-style OS, but... I like this feature on my phone for example: If i don't have my phone with me or it's charging in the bedroom i can simply access it over the internet and just drag'n'drop whatever files i need! Or login to my phone and check my messages, not even getting up from the couch or touching the phone!
This is a great + of WinMo and a grat - of other platforms. Other phones have cool stuff too like Google app store and Iphone store...
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Not to mention, along with all the good things WinMo is and does, is the excellent battery life. I have been using Android ROMs on my HD2 since they were available, and I also have OEM Android phones, and I recently...like a coupe days ago...re-flashed a WWE WinMo ROM back onto my HD2...hadn't used WinMo in like forever...and the battery life is just purely pleasing. It's so much better than the best Android phone I've ever used.
The biggest issue with WinMo are the apps...or lack thereof. All of the popular apps are missing and what apps there are seem crappy compared to the other systems. The social apps and social integration in WinMo are horrible. But the best thing I've found for WinMo to keep using it is Uno. LOL...the WinMo version of Uno is by far the best and is actually playable. Most other WinMo games are unusable.
And for WinMo not being open, whether that means the OS, I don't know, but there are tones of customs WinMo ROMs available and the system is actually more open than Android, in my opinion. Had MS stood behind WinMo and supported it for getting app devs like they are with WP7, they would have the best system going. But this brings to mind that WinMo isn't modern like the others are. It doesn't even natively support capacitive multi-touch display tech. That may have played a big role in MS abandoning it in favor of a ground-up new OS.
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lol. you'd hate the Galaxy Nexus' 4.65" screen then.
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Necro bumping ftw?
I love Windows 10 Mobile, love Android too. Both OS have - and + Android is open source that can be customized anytime, anywhere. Windows Mobile cannot be customized because it's not open source and only Microsoft can add and remove things in it. W10M is best Windows for mobile devices, you can buy a Lumia device, for example Microsoft Lumia 950. It's the best Lumia I ever seen and works soooo cool
I used a Windows Mobile device for years and only recently made the switch to Android. I had to do it because of the apps, they just aren't on WM.
Keep in mind Android is highly customizable. When I swapped I used a Windows-esque launcher with squares and a metro design to ease the transition. You can do other things as well to make it a very similar experience, at least in my opinion.
If you really want to stick with WM, and I can't blame you, go for the Nokia Lumia 950. The hardware and specs are pretty high end.
Just wondering people's thoughts here. With some of the limits Windows Phone 7 will have, like file access or installing your own apps, how long do you think these features will take to open up.
I'm guessing under 6 months but, that's just me.
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No way to tell exactly until someone gets the final release in their hands, until then it's all speculations.
As many geeks as there are on xda forums im not worried. A week or two maybe.
A month or there about...after the final release
Few months after the final release of wm7 officially
One thing is for sure, it will be jailbroken and hopefully microsoft will realize that the users want those features, but I'm not to sure about the latter thing.
Has the most recent Zune been broken yet? I know versions 1 and 2 were, but I think since version 3 going forward no one has been able to hack it. So WP7 may be locked down pretty tight.
I'm sure there will be way more people trying to break WP7 then there are Zune, but it may be tough.
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Has the most recent Zune been broken yet? I know versions 1 and 2 were, but I think since version 3 going forward no one has been able to hack it. So WP7 may be locked down pretty tight.
I'm sure there will be way more people trying to break WP7 then there are Zune, but it may be tough.
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I do believe they got native code running on it. Not full rom flashing or anything but better than nothing.
The big difference between WP7 and Zune is the hardware ecosystem. Zune is tightly controlled by Microsoft; they're able to keep everything secret and put security controls on the boot loader and other stuff. This wouldn't be feasible on WP7 as they have to provide BSPs and other technical details and bits to OEMs. Also, it has to work on a much wider range of hardware that Microsoft can't control so there's less hardware security. Lastly, the platform as a whole is much more open. OEMs can write native code (albeit still in controlled manners) and it's much easier for 3rd party devs to make apps available to users. So basically this leads them to be left with a platform that is inherently less secure. I'm sure they have some tricks up their sleeves, particularly with digital signatures, so we shall see.
it will not be harder than iphone os4 jailbreak...so it will take a few weeks.(I hope)
^ that's one phone. WP7 will have many with different hurdles of their own.
Why is everyone predicting weeks?
Has anyone heard of a dev device being successfully 'jailbroken'? There's almost 10k phones that are probably in the hands of the same people that are likely to jailbreak the thing in the 1st place. I know it's not final software or hardware, but I can't see either being vastly different.
If it were weeks a dev device would have been broken by now.
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Why is everyone predicting weeks?
Has anyone heard of a dev device being successfully 'jailbroken'? There's almost 10k phones that are probably in the hands of the same people that are likely to jailbreak the thing in the 1st place. I know it's not final software or hardware, but I can't see either being vastly different.
If it were weeks a dev device would have been broken by now.
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Not defending the "weeks" vote but it is very possible that someone has done it but is just keeping it close to the vest so that MS won't patch it before devices are even available.
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Not defending the "weeks" vote but it is very possible that someone has done it but is just keeping it close to the vest so that MS won't patch it before devices are even available.
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could be true, I've heard speculation that it wouldn't be much different than unlocking 6.5
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could be true, I've heard speculation that it wouldn't be much different than unlocking 6.5
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Possibly, but MS seem to be going to greater lengths to make it harder for people to tamper with the phone. For example ROM cooking is probably made more difficult..each device is given a certificate, if that certificate isn't present the device will not work.
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Also, it has to work on a much wider range of hardware that Microsoft can't control so there's less hardware security.
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All hardware is pre-ordered HTC,LG etc are just designing unique chassis. It's just the software we will have to jailbreak/root/flash.
I think The new jailbreak will be released after Mango update
Mango will still not allow native code, and sandboxing every third party application has a huge effect on how easily the OS can be jailbroken. Android and iOS don't do that. That's why they're typically hacked within days of a patch being released. I don't think Mango will change anything for WP7. It will still be hard to jailbreak and even if it does happen Microsoft will have a patch on the way rather quickly and it can be months before a new jailbreak is found.
Being able to jailbreak an OS means you have critical security vulnurabilities in the OS, and I think Microsoft's design is a bit clever in that sense. Yes, an app may have a vulnurability, but it's Jailed...
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it will not be harder than iphone os4 jailbreak...so it will take a few weeks.(I hope)
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It's much harder to jailbreak WP7 than iOS or Android.
Microsoft limiting Native Code has made it very difficult, comparatively speaking. The surface area for attack is much much smaller in WP7.
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Mango will still not allow native code, and sandboxing every third party application has a huge effect on how easily the OS can be jailbroken. Android and iOS don't do that. That's why they're typically hacked within days of a patch being released. I don't think Mango will change anything for WP7. It will still be hard to jailbreak and even if it does happen Microsoft will have a patch on the way rather quickly and it can be months before a new jailbreak is found.
Being able to jailbreak an OS means you have critical security vulnurabilities in the OS, and I think Microsoft's design is a bit clever in that sense. Yes, an app may have a vulnurability, but it's Jailed...
It's much harder to jailbreak WP7 than iOS or Android.
Microsoft limiting Native Code has made it very difficult, comparatively speaking. The surface area for attack is much much smaller in WP7.
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Uh no. Jailbreaking the device means that users like us are happy. These so called security vulnerabilities are rarely if ever used by so called hackers and malware authors.
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I know this post is coming out a little prematurely, but I couldn't help but notice that the Samsung Focus and the Samsung Captivate are identical phones... not only are they identical but they are running on the same network (modem drivers and such would be the same) ... does anyone know if this port would be possible?
They are not identical phones. Samsung's WP7 devices (the Focus and Omnia7) use Qualcomm's Snapdragon 1GHz processor. The Galaxy S series uses Samsungs 1GHz Hummingbird processor. I'm guessing we would need WP7 drivers before we could port anything. But even with that, I bet there are other hardware differences.
Why is everyone so hyped about WP7? Doesnt anyone remember how lame windows mobile was? Everytime I see someone post about WP7 its like its going to revolutionize smartphones. Theres not much they can do that already isnt being done. WP7....so lame. And it looks like ATT is trying to jump on that ship first and offer a big selection of handsets at launch....go figure. At least they got something right and got one of the best android phones available for now. Its not great out of the box but with all the roms and mods on XDA its starting to show some real potential.
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Why is everyone so hyped about WP7?.
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Have to disagree here. Windows Phone 7 is a completely different beast than WM 6 or 6.5. You can't compare the two. Different UIs, different use cases, different applications and core technologies. Everyone's hyped because it seems Microsoft might have finally done something right when it comes to mobile devices. Every tech journalist I've heard talk about their preview WP7 devices has been very happy. And as someone who picked an Android phone because I wanted a choice in how I use it, the possibility of WP7 running on it just adds one more choice.
Why on earth would you ever want a car that's not colored black?
Sending a rocket ship to the moon is preposterous!
Nobody will ever need or want more than 1 MB of RAM on their computer.
I love it when people shoot down ideas without thinking it through to all possible conclusions beyond their own.
I wouldn't mind seeing WP7 getting ported some day. Choices are good.
multi-boot Android, WP7, and IOS4.... Sound kind of cool to me.
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multi-boot Android, WP7, and IOS4.... Sound kind of cool to me.
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Just add a good DOS emulator (I know DOSBox was being ported some day) in that list and I'll be totally excited.
Windows (and the Windows/Microsoft mentality, design-philosophy and school-of-thought) belong on cell phones even less than it belongs on desktop PCs.
For the love of all that is sane and proper, let cell phones be the clean slate which allow us to break free from Microsoft inertia and influence. Let the handful of remaining Microsoft fanboys fondle their WP7 phones and Zunes while the rest of us move forward.
And linux, unix, posix apps belongs on them even less. Oh, wait...
Stop trying to start Fanboy discussions and OS flame wars. Do you run your phone completely in Terminal? Do you expect a WP7 device to have a start button on the screen? Get viruses? Blue Screen?
Each platform has merits and competition is a good thing in almost every case. Choice on a device designed for one platform being able to run another offers bragging rights for the developers and gives more power back to the community.
I'm for the phone that gives me what I want it to do and the freedom to do it.
IOS = locked into the iWorld of iTunes, extreme DRM, and I can only use the device.
Android = the freedom I wanted at a price. Custom flashing ROMS to even get my device to work as intended. But I can do whatever I want with it and don't have to worry about DRM.
WP7 = locked into the M$ world. Again I think it will be highly restrictive on what you can do. I'm sure there will be people (here on XDA) that will hack it.. but it will still be Windows for your phone - and therefore limited.
I'll stick with my single boot Android device - Although it would have that "nerdy cool factor" to have multiple OS's to boot my phone into... I'd rather have one working OS than 2 or 3 that were buggy as hell.
This has been gone over to death, Will it happen?.....Maybe. Will it be soon I dought it. I left WM for Android due to seeing the road M$ was going down with WP7. I have yet to lay Judgment on WP7 till I can get some hands on time with it but to tell the truth I dont see it being an option for me personally as I hot swap SD cards all time due to diff projects, Class, Work, Music...ect. The inability to do so with WP7 is just a deal breaker for me, not to mention no ETA on copy and past. I see WP7 as an early version of IOS, locked in to many ways while they try to get base functions to work right.
Nobody will ever need or want more than 1 MB of RAM on their computer.
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LOL...once upon a time I had a computer with a 2 gig HDD...I told a friend of mine "There's no way I'll EVER fill this up!!"
sremick said:
Windows (and the Windows/Microsoft mentality, design-philosophy and school-of-thought) belong on cell phones even less than it belongs on desktop PCs.
For the love of all that is sane and proper, let cell phones be the clean slate which allow us to break free from Microsoft inertia and influence. Let the handful of remaining Microsoft fanboys fondle their WP7 phones and Zunes while the rest of us move forward.
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Microsoft being the maker of WP7 has almost nothing to do with Microsoft Windows. How much of Mac OS do you see in the iPhone? Just because someone doesn't like Mac does not mean they will hate the iPhone.
I was thinking this too...
Hardware agnostic smartphones... I wrote about it over at my blog TheProfessorNotes
Excerpt: Since the start of the smartphone experience, the hardware and the operating system have been so tightly integrated that one is hard to distinguish from the other. This started as far back as the Springboard Sprint phone hardware attachment for the Handspring Visor, and continues today with the Windows 7 phones, the iPhone and in reality the Android phone. But what if the phones (hardware) and the soul of the phones, the mobile OS’s, could be separated?
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They are not identical phones. Samsung's WP7 devices (the Focus and Omnia7) use Qualcomm's Snapdragon 1GHz processor. The Galaxy S series uses Samsungs 1GHz Hummingbird processor. I'm guessing we would need WP7 drivers before we could port anything. But even with that, I bet there are other hardware differences.
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Did they prove that the Focus has a snapdragon? I knew the Omina7 did, but the last spec sheet i saw said the Focus was unknown. It would still be a pretty darn close match with the graphics being the only potential problem....
Everyone keeps bashing on Microsoft but I see no problem with them? I'm currently on Windows 7 and I can customize the daylights out of it. So, is there really a problem?
Besides, Windows 7 is going to be a serious gaming platform, as this is Microsoft's entry into the mobile gaming world. So...the most powerful phone out...with a gaming OS...sounds like a major win to me!
I'm just a little shocked to hear some people that use Android, meant to enable freedom to the user, say that our Android phones shouldn't be allowed to run other software that's not Android.
That simply baffles the mind.
"I don't like Microsoft, therefore nobody else should be able to run Microsoft products on their Android phones even though it will in no way affect the usage of my own phone."
*sigh*
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I'm just a little shocked to hear some people that use Android, meant to enable freedom to the user, say that our Android phones shouldn't be allowed to run other software that's not Android.
That simply baffles the mind.
"I don't like Microsoft, therefore nobody else should be able to run Microsoft products on their Android phones even though it will in no way affect the usage of my own phone."
*sigh*
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I'll drink to that
The hardest part would be getting the hummingbird processor to work with the windows 7 platform. I wouldn't mind a dual boot phone though. Android/wm7/ios.
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WP7 OS requires a hardware PVK chip on-board in-order to function at all. That will be the hardest part. Even the ppl hacking HTC HD2 can only get it to operate in DEMO only mode because of the lacking of that chip.
Okay im not a tech savvy person here but...
HD2 was able to switch from WinMobile 6.5 to Android to WinPhone 7
Is there anything preventing developers from making an unofficial port of wp7 to wp8?
Is the core structure that vast that we cant repeat history like the HD2?
Who knows, maybe HD2 will be the first to run unofficial WP8 XDD
Just a theory, feel free to debunk me straight away
With the change in kernel, it is nearly impossible i think
HD2 was able to run WP just because it was a WM 6.5 device and WM6.5 and WP7 share the same Windows CE kernel
I think we will only be able to get to WP 7.8 due to the CE to NT kernel change
(but even that will hopefully give us the full Skype integration that I want so much and a multitude of other features)
Windows Phone 7 and Android have different kernels and both run on the HD7 (or HD2, I don't remember)
This "kernel" talk is complete bull****. Just replace the kernel with one that supports legacy hardware and it's done. Windows RT runs on ARM and our WP7.5 phones are just that. The ones with WP8 too. The ONLY difference is the extra core.
What kind of kernel?
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Just replace the kernel with one that supports legacy hardware and it's done. Windows RT runs on ARM and our WP7.5 phones are just that.
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I don't understand: What kernel supporting legacy hardware are you talking about here? Where will this come from, who will provide it?
I think we are right at the center of the problem here: Of course Microsoft could provide all kinds of device drivers for WP8 so that it could run on current WP7 phones, but decided against it - probably just too much costly work with almost no gain or even active opposition from manufacturers who want to sell new phones.
Yeah its got to be about getting the new devices sold, increase the market share. Besides, The gpu's and ram in our current phones won't be able to keep up with the new devices even when the new core with its native code stuff comes. Its like trying to run a new game on an old computer, it will load up fine but it'll run so slow it'd be unplayable. I believe that wp7.5 is pushing our current hardware to the limits
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Its like trying to run a new game on an old computer, it will load up fine but it'll run so slow it'd be unplayable.
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Right, old computer, like the Lumia 900's that appear in the stores right now, born in factories at most a few weeks ago
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I believe that wp7.5 is pushing our current hardware to the limits
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That's really hard to say without anyone actually trying to run WP8 on a current WP7 phone; on the PC front, Windows 8 seems to be faster on the same hardware than Windows 7. And many times and in many apps the CPU inside your phone is boring itself to death anyway because it has so few things to do.
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Windows Phone 7 and Android have different kernels and both run on the HD7 (or HD2, I don't remember)
This "kernel" talk is complete bull****. Just replace the kernel with one that supports legacy hardware and it's done. Windows RT runs on ARM and our WP7.5 phones are just that. The ones with WP8 too. The ONLY difference is the extra core.
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You're talking about this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1483377
HD2 was able to boot Android (linux kernel) just because of the support of HaRET. Nothing can be done on it own.
And do remember that "famous HTC devices that are capable of running HaRET are the QSD8250 based HTC HD2 and a wide range of MSM7xxA based phones like the diamond, raphael and touch pro 2". Right now only the HD2 is still alive and its QSD8250 will be outdated soon.
You're talking about replacement like it's so easy. Changing kernel means every vendor has to rewrite everything from scratch including drivers for their devices. WP8 is designed to run on this new kernel (not the old kernel) so it does not support current devices. That's fair i think.
That's what we call changing (unlike 'changing' on Android or iOS, changing every now and then but nothing's new). Just hope that MS wont change too often.
Anyway, it's just only an announcement. The exact date of releasing WP8 is unknown. Right now, we still holding a device that runs a good OS. And even when WP8 is released, my phone's still doing something 'pretty much WP8' with 7.8 update. And can do that until i can afford a WP8 device or when everyone is switching. But that the story of at least 1 year from now.
"Right, old computer, like the Lumia 900's that appear in the stores right now, born in factories at most a few weeks ago "
Maybe not old, but ****ty hardware for sure, that won't run on on the new Windows Phone 8 because its more hardware hungry.
If we could get Windows Phone 8 onto some of the newer android handsets, especially the HTC One X, it would be AWESOME!
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"Right, old computer, like the Lumia 900's that appear in the stores right now, born in factories at most a few weeks ago "
Maybe not old, but ****ty hardware for sure, that won't run on on the new Windows Phone 8 because its more hardware hungry.
If we could get Windows Phone 8 onto some of the newer android handsets, especially the HTC One X, it would be AWESOME!
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That would be more realistic )
I think the main issue for MS is that kernel changes require flashing ROMS - high risk of bricking and WAY beyond the ability of most of their market. So why would they invest that level of development in a small niche market that potentially undermines their own market (look at the crossover between developers and hackers/crackers lol). You need to look at the commercial sense of their decisions not your own needs.
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complete faith although ?S
I have complete faith wp8 or an adjusted version of wp8 will be cooked to run on our gen2 devices, heck remember seeing froyo run on the tmobile g1?
And I think that will give our phones better resale value when we do decide to purchase a wp8 handset, i know that's my semi long term goal when I upgrate my handset.
but what I want to know is and i'm not sure if it was covered in the press announcements, say you continue using your gen2 device, will all new upcoming wp8 apps stop working altogether?
for instance what if instagram, pandora, words with friends (which i know is coming) although engineered and designed for wp8 because yes i know its being rewritten differently, will they not work at all on wp7.8?
that's my semi concern, since they were finally able to hspl my titan and once the wp8 sdk (is that what it's called?) gets dumped and chefs get their hands on it, will it only be a matter of time before it is ported to our handsets as well?
I think what msft should have made absolutely clear and i'm not sure if they covered it or if i missed something, if they said "continue using your 7.8 device all apps written in the future will be usable on these devices" if that's the case people shouldn't worry and simply wait for their 2 year carrier contracts to expire and finally upgrade.
the only thing that prevents me from keeping my titan for long term use is that i really really need expandable storage.
@pvt_nemesis: Every single OS or firmware update has the same risk of breaking ("bricking" is a little strong, since it's technically recoverable, but people seem to use the term less strictly these days) a phone as the full kernel flash that you're talking about. There's nothing magical about an OS kernel. The WP7 kernel has almost certainly been replaced at least once by an update already (I'm pretty sure Mango updated part of the kernel).
Cooking a custom ROM of WP8 for WP7 hardware will mostly depend on the availability of drivers, I think. Unlike the current custom ROMs, which take their drivers from current ROMs, the switch from CE to NT will make all the WP7 drivers useless for WP8 ROMs. Therefore, we'll need WP8 (NT-on-ARM) drivers for the hardware of out WP7 devices... and there's no guarantee that it'll be available. It might, though.
Which is better windows Phone 8 or Android?
Depends what you want?
For simplicity and beauty as well as instant functionality, wp8
For complexity and personalisation as well as number of useful apps, android is great.
Just stay away from iOS unless you want to be patronised and bored soon after
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tofy4ever said:
Which is better windows Phone 8 or Android?
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I would say Android is great and has lots of customisation and most of the phones in the market come with android OS
wp8 is okay if you like to use your phone just for multimedia and calling and other stuff like windows stuff like XBL(XBoxLive)
Don't go for iOS as it has less customisation and the current iOS users are regretting having owned an iPhone
Blackberry is also a No Go unless you like BBM(But now bbm messenger is coming out for ios nd android as well so no point in buying BB devices)
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thank you
Your answer was very helpful
You should see the quote in my signature. It used to say windows mobile before the iPhone came out.
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I would suggest android..... BT mostly depends on ur use
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Both are amazing, hard to choose... Oí currently use android but I miss wp
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Android till i die!... but to each their own... we all have our own taste/preferences...
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if u like to spend a lot of cash on crap go for the iphone..,,my girlfriend has the windows nokia and wants to burn it.,,,android all the way....we wont even get into open source vs closed source......or sdcards....or lack there of....of going to jail for jail braking ur iphone...plus if u dont like the android you have now....spend 80-100$ and get different one....you have plenty of choices with android...try that with apple....but yea ok ....its what ever you prefer..?
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Ironically enough, I prefer Android because it is the only smartphone OS that follows the Windows model. People forget, but Microsoft OS's were not the first for personal computers. Apple was actually several years ahead of the game. The reason IBM PCs and DOS/Windows took over the world is because they allowed you to run any hardware and software you wanted, which quickly led to huge amounts of choices for both platforms.
Fast forward to smartphones. Apple, in typical Apple form, launches a totally locked down, walled garden phone. Zero customization of hardware (can't even add a memory card or replace the battery), zero root/admin access to the OS, zero ability to run iOS on non-Apple hardware, and zero ability to really change anything at all about the OS.
One would have hoped that Microsoft would have come onto the scene and in typical Microsoft fashion started releasing an OS that:
Can be installed onto any existing phone provided the drivers for the phone are in the huge Windows driver store.
Allows users to be admins if they want, giving them the ability to change system files and otherwise tweak the OS as needed.
Allows you to upgrade whenever a new version of Windows Phone comes out, in the same way I can upgrade my PC whenever a new version of Windows comes out (I don't have to wait 12 months for manufacturuer "support").
Allows you to install the OS onto any phone regardless of age, as long as the hardware is capable of supporting it (so if I want to use a 4 year old phone I can, even if the hardware manufacturer doesn't go past 2 years).
Allowed hardware venders huge flexibility to create compatible hardware and drivers for Windows Phone OS.
Allows user to be admin if they want (yes, I know I'm repeating this), so that they can uninstall ANY application they want, and are not forced to endure manufacturer installed bloatware. Remember PC bloatware? You could uninstall that. Not so Samsung or Sprint phone bloatware, for example, because they are considered "system" software. That Sprint NASCAR app? Yep, can't uninstall completely without root, because it's "essential". LOL.
Instead, Microsoft has completely lost their way and abandoned every principle that made Windows so successful in the first place. Now they are just copying Apple, with walled garden, closed systems like the Surface Tablet and Nokia phones that won't let you expand storage, change batteries, install new versions of the OS when you want, run as admin, uninstall bloatware, etc.
So ironically, Android, despite its faults, such as not allowing root/admin access to everyone, is nevertheless wiping the floor in marketshare, because it is following most of the original Microsoft principles of open systems rather than walled gardens. It allows for massive hardware variety, the OS is open enough that you can customize it and throw different mods onto phones, you can gain root access and you can uninstall bloatware too . So in my opinion, Android is the better platform by far, because it's following the Microsoft way. (And if you look at the market share of phones, Samsung, which follows the Microsoft way with hardware by allowing SD cards and battery replacements, is also by far the most successful. It pays to be flexible and open).
One other note: Android is the only platform where you can run a phone for four years and still have basically the latest and greatest. I'm rocking a Samsung Galaxy S2 with Android 4.4.4 Kitkat because I can install CyanogenMod onto my phone, even though Samsung abandoned the phone after two years. That's not going to happen with Windows Phone. The manufacturer will abandon you after two years, and you won't be able to install the new version of Windows Phone onto your hardware, even if your hardware is fast enough. That's another point in favor of Android.
damn dude...well put!
It also depends If you are interested in changing your ROM or in general changing your mobile phone. Then take android. Otherwise if you are interested in a beautiful design then use w8