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no 4G icon anymore but an H

hello,
found this issue for a different phone but not the sensation. i just flashed to the Android Revolution HD™ 3.6.2 XE rom and it doesnt show 4G anymore but an H. am i still getting 4G just with an H icon or am i getting less?

Yes, h is T-Mobile 4g.
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odd because the stock actually showed 4G so wasnt sure thx

csorrentini said:
odd because the stock actually showed 4G so wasnt sure thx
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T-Mobile USA uses 4g for the h symbol (and I'm pretty sire even for normal 3g, or utms, after seeing romanbb so some tests). But it really is 4g.
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csorrentini said:
hello,
found this issue for a different phone but not the sensation. i just flashed to the Android Revolution HD™ 3.6.2 XE rom and it doesnt show 4G anymore but an H. am i still getting 4G just with an H icon or am i getting less?
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Read the Q&A before flashing the ROM.
Directly from the ARHD ROM web page:
Q 24: Why my "4G" icon is gone from the status bar?
A: My ROMs are based on WWE HTC ROMs. It means that there is no "4G" icon but you have HSPA+ connection with "H" icon anyway.

4g is a scam anyway. The 4g you get is not "real" 4g.

Hey guys, the previous owner of my MR2, put a ferrari emblem on my car. Why isn't my car a ferrari though?

Probably has to do with your ROM being based on a European version.
The technical term for what you call 4G in the US is HSPA and basically is an addon to the UMTS/3g specification.
The Mobile standards organizations have not yet settled on a 4th generation mobile standard, candidates for 4g networks are LTE Advanced (Long Term Evolution Advanced not to confuse with LTE which does not qualify for 4G failing some of the technical criteria), IEEE802.16m or WirelessMAN-Advanced (not sure what that is, all pretty much prototype state)
Then there's the failed/former 4G candidates that all fail one or more of the criteria the standardization bodies agreed on (called 3.9G according to Wikipedia):
3GPP LTE, WiMAX, UMB, Flash-OFDM and iBurst of which only 3GPP LTE and WiMAX were developed into a productive system for mobile phones.
HSDPA, HSDPA+ as well as their upload counterparts HSUPA and HSUPA+ are sometimes referred to as 3.5G and in the US are often marketed as 4G
To sum it up: 4G is not yet there, but it's commonly used as a marketing buzzword for updates to the 3g standards. In europe these updates are called by their technical names HS(U/D)PA(+) and ROMs based on european original firmwares use the H while the US based roms use the 4G icon.
The Sensation does not support any of the 4G networks, neither the candidates nor the discontinued ones. It can only do HSPA+ with data rates of 7.2 Mbit/s per wireless stream. (I think the Sensation supports MIMO to achieve up to 21 MBit/s downstreram)
LTE at 100 Mbit/s or LTE Advanced are NOT Supported by the Sensation, thus it's neither a 3.9G nor a 4G device, but at best a 3.5G device. (Though I think that classification is way more confusing than it helps guessing the performance)

[Q] Sensation data problem

Can anyone help me. I unlocked the sensation for me to use with att. Everything is fine, rooted, s-off, cwm recover works, and so does everything else. Except data and mms. I googled the apns to use and that worked, somewhat. I now can recieve mms but data only gets up to 2g but roams a lot. Is there a way to get att 3g on this phone? I heard it was unable but just want to make sure

cGrumm said:
Can anyone help me. I unlocked the sensation for me to use with att. Everything is fine, rooted, s-off, cwm recover works, and so does everything else. Except data and mms. I googled the apns to use and that worked, somewhat. I now can recieve mms but data only gets up to 2g but roams a lot. Is there a way to get att 3g on this phone? I heard it was unable but just want to make sure
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Did you get 3G before when the device was S-On and a stock image?

dr9722 said:
Did you get 3G before when the device was S-On and a stock image?
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Yea when my cousin had it stock for tmobile everything was fine with it. 3g and 4g worked for him. Then when i started using it for att i had to put in custom apn which only allows me to reach 2g. I've seen a lot of people say its not compatible unless you have a certain version, my model is the tmobile htc sensation 4g...thats what it tells me in my phone settings.

cGrumm said:
Yea when my cousin had it stock for tmobile everything was fine with it. 3g and 4g worked for him. Then when i started using it for att i had to put in custom apn which only allows me to reach 2g. I've seen a lot of people say its not compatible unless you have a certain version, my model is the tmobile htc sensation 4g...thats what it tells me in my phone settings.
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Learn more ablut radio and frequencys. Basically u cant get 3g unless u have a bell sensation
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cGrumm said:
Yea when my cousin had it stock for tmobile everything was fine with it. 3g and 4g worked for him. Then when i started using it for att i had to put in custom apn which only allows me to reach 2g. I've seen a lot of people say its not compatible unless you have a certain version, my model is the tmobile htc sensation 4g...thats what it tells me in my phone settings.
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So from what you're saying the phone has worked fully on both 3G & 4G on the TMobile network. Looking at the AT&T website their all their phones are either 3G or 4G. So it should work.
Does your AT&T contract support 3G ? I know when I got my first 3G enabled phone they had to ship me a 3G SIM card for it to work. It might be that it's the SIM card that's the issue. I've never had to modify APNs etc. even when swapping network providers away from Vodafone. Insert the new SIM and it just works.
webstar1 said:
Learn more ablut radio and frequencys. Basically u cant get 3g unless u have a bell sensation
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio using XDA App
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Hmmmm

webstar1 said:
Learn more ablut radio and frequencys. Basically u cant get 3g unless u have a bell sensation
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio using XDA App
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Yea thats what im trying to understand. I read that there were two types of sensations, one from canada that supports att 3g, and the original which does not. But they said the model T-mobile sensation 4g, should support att 3g. Thats the thing im not understanding

gol_n_dal said:
So from what you're saying the phone has worked fully on both 3G & 4G on the TMobile network. Looking at the AT&T website their all their phones are either 3G or 4G. So it should work.
Does your AT&T contract support 3G ? I know when I got my first 3G enabled phone they had to ship me a 3G SIM card for it to work. It might be that it's the SIM card that's the issue. I've never had to modify APNs etc. even when swapping network providers away from Vodafone. Insert the new SIM and it just works.
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Yea i had an Iphone 3gs with a 3g data plan. And everything ive seen posted with unlocked sensations all have the same problem with att. But ive seen that there is a version that supports att 3g which is what im trying to figure out

This post has the bands that the T-Mobile htc sensation 4g supports:
http://www.htc.com/us/products/sensation4g-tmobile#tech-specs
And this post says if it supports HSPA/UMTS/HSPA+ on 850 and 1900, it should support att 3g
http://androidforums.com/t/358106-unlocked-htc-sensation-4g-t-smart-phone-sim.html
The first post confirms that the phone supports both 850 and 1900 on HSPA+. All of this is new to me so if this is completely wrong then sorry. Just seems right to me.

It looks like the AT&T and T-Mobile networks are different, this is where I guess the issue is. The more I dug the worse it got. I have to admit that I'd assume this would be a simple answer but it looks like there are different flavours of 4G.
So apologies to the earlier poster that mentioned the frequencies.

cGrumm said:
Can anyone help me. I unlocked the sensation for me to use with att. Everything is fine, rooted, s-off, cwm recover works, and so does everything else. Except data and mms. I googled the apns to use and that worked, somewhat. I now can recieve mms but data only gets up to 2g but roams a lot. Is there a way to get att 3g on this phone? I heard it was unable but just want to make sure
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T-Mobile US Sensation (Z710E) DOES NOT support anything higher than 2G on AT&T's networks because it doesn't operate on the proper 3G frequency. The Bell Sensation (Z710A) from Canada DOES work on AT&T 3G because its hardware uses the proper frequency.

Jimmah555 said:
T-Mobile US Sensation (Z710E) DOES NOT support anything higher than 2G on AT&T's networks because it doesn't operate on the proper 3G frequency. The Bell Sensation (Z710A) from Canada DOES work on AT&T 3G because its hardware uses the proper frequency.
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I thought the Z710a is the US T-Mobile 4g version, My Z710e is a European 3G only version.

gol_n_dal said:
I thought the Z710a is the US T-Mobile 4g version, My Z710e is a European 3G only version.
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See thats where im getting confused too. People said the version that CAN aquire att 3g is the t-mobile 4g model. But regardless it isnt picking up anything but edge so he is right. Is there anyway to change the hardware for it to work? I dont have money for another phone so if i can, id do that.

cGrumm said:
See thats where im getting confused too. People said the version that CAN aquire att 3g is the t-mobile 4g model. But regardless it isnt picking up anything but edge so he is right. Is there anyway to change the hardware for it to work? I dont have money for another phone so if i can, id do that.
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Have you seen: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1349755
It refers to: http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_sensation_4g-3922.php
As far as I know Bell Canada uses the same network frequencies as AT&T US.

4G questions - Bell vs T-Mo vs others

Hi,
I always have long and complicated questions to ask, so I usually don't get much help, probably cause I'm Canadian
I have Bell Sensation 4G. It operates on HSPA+ from what I understand. It's a "sort of" 4G.
Anyways, when I run ICS ARHD, I get H symbol. Yes, I've talked about this topic a lot, but in other aspects. Now I'm just curious about the other phones in US, and if I am actually connected to "4G" networks.
What I want to get to the bottom of is I see mentions a lot of the T-Mobile 4G sensation. Is this specifically because all other Sensations on other US carriers are not 4G capable? Or are every one of them exactly the same, and operate on the same network type (HSPA+)? Essentially making them all the exact same networks and speeds as my Bell unit?
The reason I ask is I'm pissing around with the H, H+, 4G, etc. png icon files in the "systemUI.apk". Just trying to learn what's going on behind the scenes.
I note in there that the files are named as such
"H" icons are named as files like "stat_sys_data_connected_h.png".
"H+" icons are named as files like "stat_sys_data_connected_hplus.png".
Being that on ARHD, "H+" is never used. I am now wondering if I am even connected to HSPA+. I mean, if US carriers other than TMO don't use HSPA+ then that would be reasonable that the standard US based ROM isn't setup to properly connect to the Canadian network? The icon files are there, but they are not being used, so is it because I am not on 4G, because other US phones dont get 4G? Flashing the TMO option gives me the same thing, so maybe because our networks are different?
I understand that there is a mod to switch the TMO version to "4G" icon. But is that simply switching the icon names? Yeah cool I can do that and give myself "H+" icons to make myself happy, but I'd really just like to know if I am even connected to the proper network speeds, and it all has something to do with the radio version and ROM. (afterall, I did fix my 350ms PING to Speedtest.net by flashing stock Bell RUU, so it further makes me think I am not on correct network speeds, rather than just an icon issue)

If you're asking if you're still getting 4g, yes you are.... That is if your phone is capable of 4g... I have tmo sensation 4g and have the H icon... The speed is the same.... No changes at all... I can flash the 4g icon but decided not to... H don't bother me at all since there are no changes in the speed... Sorry if I misunderstand your question in any way, it was just too long to read and I'm getting cross eyed
Some phones in the US don't have 4g capabilities... Usually the older once...
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4g with Beats Audio

I know it's too long to read but I don't know how else to explain it, and make it shorter. I just am wondering if T-Mobile 4G HSPA+ is exactly the same as Bell 4G HSPA+?
Put it this way...with ARHD 6.5.x ICS, am I getting the same 4G as I would be with the stock Bell Canada RUU? Everything seems centered around T-Mo 4G, nobody ever talks about Bell 4G!

In my opinion, it depends how strong hspa in your area... I don't think Rom or the phone matters, as long as it can accept hspa signals.... It might matter with the radio thoughh... Don't worry about the long explanation, it was just me thats the problem ...
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4g with Beats Audio

I have seen so many posts and threads here saying H icon is for 4g connection. I am from UK we don't have 4g yet its all 3g still my sensation shows me H icon. On my old Nokia n97 it was showing 3.5g ? It's really confusing.
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using xda premium

The connection that we call 4g ( atleast with tmo) is actually 3.5g. I'm not sure with the LTE technology though....
There's three different 4g types, fastest is LTE then hspa and last WiMAX.... So when you see H its considered 4g as for hspa
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4g with Beats Audio

T-Mo doesn't even have much of any hspa+ in the first place... if you look in network settings on the phone, it almost always says hsdpa and never hspa+... along with hspa+ not even being close to 4G.

I came across this when trying to make sure I am doing it right. When installing ARHD it asks if I have a tmobile sensation 4g - I have an unlocked Bell/Virgin Mobile one and have been hitting yes. It seems to work okay, but should I be saying yes to that, or no, because it is a Bell/Virgin one with different bands? Is it just to get the graphical band display? Does it have any impact on performance or the radio?

[Q]Are there any z710a users on AT&T getting HSPA+

I max out around 2Mbps down
I am on a grandfathered BB data plan, but I have a brand new 4g sim. I've always been able to get HSPA, even with my old 3g sim.
I called in to AT&T and said whats up? They pulled up my imei (matches), but says it's a 2g device. WTH? I'm connected to HSDPA:9 all day errday.
This phone is rare enough here that I haven't found a current, useful thread about this issue.

When I had an iPhone on T-Mobile it wasn't able to get ANYTHING over 2G, meaning 3G. I had a 3GS though so I don't know about the HSPD... All I know is ATT's 3G band is diff from T-Mobiles and so you CANNOT get 3G using one carrier's phone on another network when it comes to these two. I'm not too sure about HSPD but.. It might be the same? You said you've been getting HSPD though so... Not sure.

Well sensation are not 4g devices they are 3g but they can reach 4g like speeds depending on the location
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Ooooooooooooh. That makes sense.
Although, it's hard to know when 3g ends and 4g begins:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7893188&postcount=10

jslim38 said:
Well sensation are not 4g devices they are 3g but they can reach 4g like speeds depending on the location
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That's kind of not true.
LTE, HSPA+, and WiMax define 4G. The Sensation has HSPA+, meaning it's a 4G device. Here's a google I did:
http://www.tmonews.com/2010/12/hspa-now-officially-4g-according-to-itu/

sshede said:
The Sensation has HSPA+
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Does it? Or doesn't it? Cause I'm saying mine doesn't when I assumed that it does.
Internet searches aren't going to help me, I'm afraid. There's too much conflicting opinion. There's already conflicting opinion in here lol.
But if there's somebody else out there, who has a z710a on ATT we can put this to bed right quick.

It's a beefed up 3g network and they will not spend the money to get true 4g
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That's is true but if you want the truth then take a look at at&t and the one x in order for it to run on at&t network they had to dail it back because of the tegra3 doesn't run on AT&T network so they say
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T-Mobile sensation doesn't have the neccessary bands for hspa+ on att, only a Canadian sensation has the correct bands that work on att
Sent from my sensational sensation 4g

vgrntbeauxner said:
I'm connected to HSDPA:9 all day errday.
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How do you tell your hsdpa category?

yahhboy said:
T-Mobile sensation doesn't have the neccessary bands for hspa+ on att, only a Canadian sensation has the correct bands that work on att
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z710a is canadian sensation, thx.
ziddey said:
How do you tell your hsdpa category?
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For ICS: System settings>About phone>Status then look at 'mobile network type.'

vgrntbeauxner said:
z710a is canadian sensation, thx.
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My bad...
Sent from my sensational sensation 4g

vgrntbeauxner said:
For ICS: System settings>About phone>Status then look at 'mobile network type.'
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hmm mine just says hsdpa

thats the same as me. how fast is your downlink?
I GOT 4.6MBPS LASTNIGHT!

I am using the Bell Sensation on AT&T in Northern California. I average between 3 and 4 mb/s down, depending on what part of town I am in and the time of day it is. Phone signal shows me connected to H+

gbarayah said:
I am using the Bell Sensation on AT&T in Northern California. I average between 3 and 4 mb/s down, depending on what part of town I am in and the time of day it is. Phone signal shows me connected to H+
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Are you on a GB ROM? I don't know if there is an H+ icon on CM9, but there was one (supposedly) on CM7...

I'm running an ICS ROM that has been discontinued. HyperNonSense by Kristof, very minimalist but one of the smoothest ROMs I have ever used on any device. Patiently waiting for CM9 stable.
I'm not 100% positive, but I want to say that I was seeing an H+ icon on Gingerbread ROMs as well.

gbarayah said:
I'm running an ICS ROM that has been discontinued. HyperNonSense by Kristof, very minimalist but one of the smoothest ROMs I have ever used on any device. Patiently waiting for CM9 stable.
I'm not 100% positive, but I want to say that I was seeing an H+ icon on Gingerbread ROMs as well.
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All right, that's good info thanks.
btw, I've run CM9 nightlies and opensensation and they're both really stable, fwiw.

Which roms show the hsdpa category? Is it only gb roms? With ARHD, it only shows HSDPA, no :cat

The symbol is really irrelelvant. If you want to know if you are connected to H+, go to settings > about phone > status and see what it says under Mobile Network Type.
If you are connected to H+ it should read HSDPA.

4g data

I was just wondering if there was a way to get T-Mobile's 4G Data speeds working on any custom ROM. If there is, how would I do so?

milkshakes said:
I was just wondering if there was a way to get T-Mobile's 4G Data speeds working on any custom ROM. If there is, how would I do so?
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Tmobile's 4G Data already works on custom roms, out of the box.

Vain III said:
Tmobile's 4G Data already works on custom roms, out of the box.
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excuse me, this mean that htc one s support lte? O_O the european version too?

Nope
T-MobileUS HTC One S

RockLee91 said:
excuse me, this mean that htc one s support lte? O_O the european version too?
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I think "4G" on TMobUS is just what everyone else calls H+, or "3G" in the UK.

RockLee91 said:
excuse me, this mean that htc one s support lte? O_O the european version too?
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tmobile 4g (usa) is the same as (eu) 3g/H.
naming it 4G is just marketing bull****. (lte based and gsm based phones dont mix)
as far as i know there is only stil lte-advanced thats real 4G

those are all radio related not rom
i don't know if any do now, but in the near future there will be phones working on 4g and lte networks, meaning the radio will support those bands

rugmankc said:
those are all radio related not rom
i don't know if any do now, but in the near future there will be phones working on 4g and lte networks, meaning the radio will support those bands
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I was under the impression LTE is 4G. It's only TMobile US who seem to classify HSDPA+ as 4G. Over here (In the UK) HSDPA+ is classed the same as 3G. Once we get LTE, they brand that 4G.
As far as I was aware, the One S is not 4G (LTE) capable.

S/he asked about Tmobile's 4G data speeds. Not if it was faux 4G or not.
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raikesy said:
I was under the impression LTE is 4G. It's only TMobile US who seem to classify HSDPA+ as 4G. Over here (In the UK) HSDPA+ is classed the same as 3G. Once we get LTE, they brand that 4G.
As far as I was aware, the One S is not 4G (LTE) capable.
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TMobile advertises 4g now but has no lte. They say they are going to upgrade their back end to support lte. I assume that means they are different and are on different frequency bands.

raikesy said:
I was under the impression LTE is 4G. It's only TMobile US who seem to classify HSDPA+ as 4G. Over here (In the UK) HSDPA+ is classed the same as 3G. Once we get LTE, they brand that 4G.
As far as I was aware, the One S is not 4G (LTE) capable.
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Att is also doing this now.
But honestly, I don't care if I get 4G speeds on a 3g network I'm happy. I'll continue to pay my $30 a month.
Sent from my HTC One S using xda premium