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Call me old fashioned, but I expect a $500 device to work out of the box. It's also been pretty sad watching everyone's desperation in either getting a stable CM7 build or a kluge of the Gingerbread pre-release to try and make all the phone's functions work properly. I've been pretty vocal about my dissatisfaction which I know has irked some of you. There were others, but they already bailed when their remorse periods ended so as we all jump ship there should be fewer "haters" and nothing but the positivity you seek here in G2X-land.
I was going to wait until 6/8 and get a Sensation but the phone re-booted in the middle of conference call to Asia and that shall we say was the end of that. I'm getting an international SGS2 instead. It'll arrive next week. It's an HSPA+ phone so it can do 21MB down on AT&T. To get on to AT&T's network I'm getting an Infuse 4G for $99 on 5/15 which I'll eBay for $400 easily. I'd be lucky to get $300 for the G2X once the Sensation's out and the comments on this forum certainly don't help the resale value. The SGS2 is $725 so the net after selling the Infuse will be $425 - $75 less than the G2X. I also won't have to be dependent on any carrier any longer and will get updates directly from Samsung.
Unlimited voice, unlimited messaging, 4GB of data, and tethering is $99 a month and AT&T has terrific international data plans when you're roaming where T-Mobile has none. Also, I'd rather pay $8 a GB if I go over my limit than be throttled to dial-up speeds by T-Mobile. My relationship with T-Mobile's always been love/hate but the G2X did me in. I'll still lurk and comment on this thread and if you have any SGS2 questions just ask. Also, modding may not be a dead horse. Paul posted the SGS2 firmware this morning.
See you guys in a year on AT&T-Mobile
P.S. - Gamers beware of the SGS2, it's been determined the Mali GPU doesn't support x-frame
X frame????
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X frame????
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Oops. I was doing two things at once. X-Plane. It has a bigger impact than just one game, I was just too lazy to elaborate.
Here's the link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1068567
Thanks for posting your life story. Did you really need to type all that just to say you were buying the GSII? Nobody cares how you are going to acquired it. I am getting the GSII aswell but you don't see me making posts about it. I'm thankful that I got a working G2x from day one because I can tell you right now. Its the best Android device I've ever used. I haven't had a single problem with it. Lastly, every phone has problems when its released. If you don't think so then u haven't been in this game long enough. The G2x wont sell for anything less due to these forums. I think your giving these forums a little to much credit if you think they a driving phone sales on eBay down. LOL...where do you guys come up with this stuff?
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Yea that gpu is going to bite a lot of gamers in the ass. This is why the SGS2 was never an option for me. I'd love that screen paired with a tegra but I don't see it happening soon.
Tegra looks like the most future welcoming chipset IMO which also deters me from the Sensation.
Sorry to see you have so many problems but you do what you have to do. I always have low expectations of stock rooms although the 2.2 stock did run great for me. I flash not to fix issues but to flash. I actually have more problems running custom then stock but that's half the fun because I know that it helps to get to that point we all would like.
So while a slight backlight bleed isn't viable for some, a gimped GPU for locked boot loader isn't for me. Aside that, the rest can be fixed and patched. That I can handle.
Also, good luck getting anything out of Samaung. Those guys never update their phones. Gingerbread was promised last august and they still don't have it.
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And it's posts like this from people like you that I'm going to miss the most on the SGS2 forum. And comparing your phone history to mine, you've severely underestimated my experience.
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And it's posts like this from people like you that I'm going to miss the most on the SGS2 forum. And comparing your phone history to mine, you've severely underestimated my experience.
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I never said u weren't experienced in the phone world but if you are then you should understand no device is perfect within the first month of being released. Christ, my Vibrants GPS was never perfect and I used it for 8 months. I just don't understand why people are expected to get a perfect device when they buy them as soon as they become available. Like it or not, we are the beta testers.
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Bye...bye...
The post would have held more water...if more of your points were valid that is..
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Hope you enjoy your new toy.
Pretty good phone but G2x is better
Don't let the door hit ya....
Sold that phone to get this one and have no regrets.
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Like it or not, we are the beta testers.
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I got my phone on 6/19 so I have a lot of history in this forum. I've posted lots of positive comments which still hold true. I like the phone's form factor, I like the way it's built, I like not having a UI, and it's fast as hell. I get a new phone every few months. I've never had a new phone that didn't have bugs - to your point, it's to be expected. My issue with the G2X (and I know there are those with different experiences) is that the basic connectivity functions are unreliable, at least in it's current state. The LCD does kind of irk me, especially since the iPad2 announcement, but I could have overlooked that. It's a pain in the ass to change carriers and swap out the phone so soon and I really wanted to like/keep it. But I can't wait weeks/months for it to be 100% stable.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. If you want a phone that isn't meant to be tweaked then you are better off with an iPhone. You will never be happy with any android phone because android is meant for people who want to personalize and make their device theirs.
The g2x is a guiness world record holding powerhouse. It doesnt help your case to write a pompous and useless post.
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Sold that phone to get this one and have no regrets.
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Really, where did you get a Galaxy S II? I'd be interested in your experiences. Since it doesn't work on T-Mobile, I assumed you used it on AT&T. Where did you use it and what were your data speeds?
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I got my phone on 6/19 so I have a lot of history in this forum. I've posted lots of positive comments which still hold true. I like the phone's form factor, I like the way it's built, I like not having a UI, and it's fast as hell. I get a new phone every few months. I've never had a new phone that didn't have bugs - to your point, it's to be expected. My issue with the G2X (and I know there are those with different experiences) is that the basic connectivity functions are unreliable, at least in it's current state. The LCD does kind of irk me, especially since the iPad2 announcement, but I could have overlooked that. It's a pain in the ass to change carriers and swap out the phone so soon and I really wanted to like/keep it. But I can't wait weeks/months for it to be 100% stable.
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Why do you need to wait weeks? Just keep exchanging it until u get a working phone. It really is easy. I promise. I also get new phone ever couple of months and I've had to exchange everyone I got. That's exactly why I always purchase at a brick and mortar rather than online. I don't know why your living with a phone that doesn't work but I wouldn't stand for it. Go exchange it and hopefully you get a perfect one like me. Only took me 4 exchanges to find a perfect one. Lol
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Great....thanks for keeping us up to date.
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One thing is forsure, there will always be those that have a bad experience with a device no matter how super, duper, incredibly awesome it may be. Looks like you're one of those who will go down as having a bad experience with the G2x. You aren't the first, you won't be the last. And you can bet your ass there will be plenty of users over in the Samsung forum having the same frustrations with their SGS2's that you had with your G2x. That's just the way it goes with these things.
When I first got my Droid X I had a lot of problems with it. It took me a while to figure it out... it was my first Android device so I had to learn everything from scratch. But I finally got it to the point where it was a flawless device (all it was missing was an unlocked bootloader) for me. But that wasn't the case for every DX owner... plenty of the members of the Droid X forum took their device out of the box and the damn thing worked flawlessly without them having to tinker with it or do anything at all in order to 'fix' it. It might have been a little hard for me to swallow since I was experiencing so many random reboots, terrible lag, and constant freeze-ups... but it was true all the same. My poor performing DX was the exception, not the rule.
Same thing goes for the G2x. This time I'm on the other side of the fence (thank God). My G2x doesn't have the LED bleed issue, or the rebooting issue, or ANY issue for that matter. It has worked flawlessly right out of the box for me. And it's only been available here in the states for 3 weeks, so if there are still a few bugs to work out of CyanogenMod7 for it, that certainly isn't the end of the world. Nine months after getting my Droid X (at launch) and CM is nowhere on the DX's radar, and likely never will be. So just the fact that CM7 is working at all on this device is more progress than I was able to get out of my Motorola the whole time I used it (I still have it, just in case someone sneaks the bootloader keys out of Motorola HQ's I'll be first in line to beta test CM on it!).
Anyway my point is, if you like a device enough you'll stick it through the rough spots and see if you can't get it to work well enough for you to enjoy it. If you don't like a device enough to do that, then get another device, period. No need to explain yourself, you're a grown ass man. You can buy an iPhone, Win7, Blackberry, Palm... hell even a dumbphone if that's what you want. If it's a SGS2 that you want, go for it. I hope it makes you happier than this device obviously did not do.
But going out like you chose to do isn't going to go over well, I'm sure you understood that when you were typing that post out. What are you hoping to accomplish here, do you think you're going to convice those of us who are having a great experience with our G2x's to suddenly realize we got it all wrong? Should we all pack our LG's up and throw em on ebay pronto now too just because you didn't get along with yours?
No OEM is perfect, but for what it's worth I respect LG and Samsung the most out of all the manufacturers because they both refuse to give into the pressure the carriers have been putting on them to lock down their bootloaders. HTC comes in third in my book because while they do lock their bootloaders, at least they don't encrypt them. Basically they play both sides of the fence. They lock the bootloader to make it look like they're on the carriers side. But they don't encrypt them because they know that hackers will easily unlock them and still be able to develop on them at will.
What I don't get is your statement that you'll get your updates from Samsung... since when has Samsung rolled out updates in a timely fashion? For me LG is my top choice because they left the bootloader completely unlocked, and they left it vanilla Android. It's basically a Nexus device. Samsung would be my second choice since they don't lock their bootloaders either, but I'd have to get rid of touchwiz the second I got it.
All in all, I hope you have a good experience with your SGS2. No need to attempt to make us feel stupid for keeping our G2x's though. If we like our devices, why can't you just leave this community and wish us the best so that we can do the same to you?
Its safe to say Barry that no one cares. See ya
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Call me old fashioned, but I expect a $500 device to work out of the box.
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Really? Um...good luck with the SGS2.
Wow. This forum has become the dear diary of threads. I guess since the galaxy is almost a $1000 it won't have issues. You said you doubt the g2x will be worth $300 when the sensation comes out. Lol that was a insult. I guarantee the g2x will have more support and roms than the sensation. How can Cyan develop a rom, when he said himself he won't if it has a locked bootloader. I like what the galaxy can do but once it launches in the US and carriers strip it down like the original it wont hold its international value. Ill ride it out with the g2x. I'd rather return until I get a close to perfect instead of paying mortgage prices on a phone.
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Hi Guys...
I have a Thunderbolt now (rooted) that waqs giving me problems I was going from 4g to 3g to 1x and then I wasn't getting any data at all. This started last night....I figured I would wait because it was a network problem
This morning the same thing was happening....I called VZ tech support and they told me before they send me a new phone...I have to go to a VZ store and get a new sim card. I unrooted my phone and went to the store. I got a new sim card and that didn' help. I called back tech support and they said they will send me a new Thunderbolt. I have a family plan and I have 4 phones on my plan (mine is the only smartphone) I asked if I can get a CHARGE...after some back n forth chat...he told me that they will send me a NEW Charge...and also a belt clip and screen protector for no charge....
I love my Thunderbolt...and I know there are pros and cons betwen both phones.....but I really use my Slingbox app alot and I wanted to get the charge because of the screen...so Monday or Tuesday my new charge arrives...
hope I didn't make a mistake not going with the Thunderbolt....thoughts??
I want to thank all of the other members here who helped me with all my questions on the Thunderbolt....I will be changing forums but I will stop in here from time to time
The charge came out with an OTA update (yesterday) that made numerous fixes and charge owners are saying that it made the phone AWESOME!
hogowner said:
Hi Guys...
I have a Thunderbolt now (rooted) that waqs giving me problems I was going from 4g to 3g to 1x and then I wasn't getting any data at all. This started last night....I figured I would wait because it was a network problem
This morning the same thing was happening....I called VZ tech support and they told me before they send me a new phone...I have to go to a VZ store and get a new sim card. I unrooted my phone and went to the store. I got a new sim card and that didn' help. I called back tech support and they said they will send me a new Thunderbolt. I have a family plan and I have 4 phones on my plan (mine is the only smartphone) I asked if I can get a CHARGE...after some back n forth chat...he told me that they will send me a NEW Charge...and also a belt clip and screen protector for no charge....
I love my Thunderbolt...and I know there are pros and cons betwen both phones.....but I really use my Slingbox app alot and I wanted to get the charge because of the screen...so Monday or Tuesday my new charge arrives...
hope I didn't make a mistake not going with the Thunderbolt....thoughts??
I want to thank all of the other members here who helped me with all my questions on the Thunderbolt....I will be changing forums but I will stop in here from time to time
The charge came out with an OTA update (yesterday) that made numerous fixes and charge owners are saying that it made the phone AWESOME!
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While I don't agree with your decision, it's understandable and i hope it works out for you charge has less dev support though
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I just had a problem with my tbolt I couldnt make or receive calls but could do text message or email.
joshnichols189 said:
While I don't agree with your decision, it's understandable and i hope it works out for you charge has less dev support though
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Yes I know less dev support...but remember.....it just came out....
I may not root it.....have to see........
hogowner said:
Yes I know less dev support...but remember.....it just came out....
I may not root it.....have to see........
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It's also got that icky Touchwiz
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hogowner said:
hope I didn't make a mistake not going with the Thunderbolt....thoughts??
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Since you're posting in the TB section, you already know what to expect
The Charge is a nice phone as long as you don't mind Touchwiz & limited custom rom/kernel options (at least for the moment). Sorry the TB didn't work out for you.
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The problem that you describe was exact what I went through with my Thunderbolt. I went through Verizon tech support on the phone, as well as the store, only to hit a dead end... Even after getting a new sim card.
They wanted to send me a certified like new phone, but I hated the idea. So, after 2 days without any data service, I decided to do a complete re-installation of Froyo from bootloader. Note: wiping the data / factory restore and cache wipe did not resolve the issue.
The problem was likely due to a corrupt system file.
So yeah, I went and downloaded a rooted RUU Froyo and just flash it in bootloader, not in recovery, and works.
Thank you for confirming that I'm not the only one with a ThunderBolt that went through this problem.
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No phone is perfect. It's a matter of deciding what criterias are more important and deciding between the least sucky one. One area of weakness with the Charge is the inability to manage the radios and manually forcing between 3G or 4G. You lose the benefits of battery conservation by forcing 3G only and may experience constant flip flop between 3G and 4G causing loss of data connectivity in fringe areas. Also, no simultaneous voice and data on 3G.
I'm not entirely happy with my thunderbolt but because VZW sent me a really crappy replacement. Actually, my second replacement. I had an issue similar to you a while back. I couldn't even get 3G. No data. Went to the store, they had to call HQ or something, talked for 30min or so, ended up sending me a replacement over night. That phone was perfect before I lost data. The replacement had that reboot issue so I got a replacement for that one; the phone I have now. It came without working camera flash. I didn't notice until a week later when I used the flash for the first time. That's pretty unacceptable if you ask me. But, that's not the worst part. My screen is FALLING OUT of my phone. The whole right side of the screen is not glued/fastened in any way. It comes out 1/4 inch on it's own. Went to a VZW store and they couldn't be bothered since I wasn't there to buy a phone. My VZW store is useless. I'm going to have to go to a VZW kiosk at a nearby mall. Weirdly, they are the most helpful usually.
If your phone is an appliance to you, then you made an arguably good decision. The screen is a dandy one on the charge and battery life is notably better than the Tbolt. If you are a root/ROM guy, then you're totally off your nut.
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I'm not entirely happy with my thunderbolt but because VZW sent me a really crappy replacement. Actually, my second replacement. I had an issue similar to you a while back. I couldn't even get 3G. No data. Went to the store, they had to call HQ or something, talked for 30min or so, ended up sending me a replacement over night. That phone was perfect before I lost data. The replacement had that reboot issue so I got a replacement for that one; the phone I have now. It came without working camera flash. I didn't notice until a week later when I used the flash for the first time. That's pretty unacceptable if you ask me. But, that's not the worst part. My screen is FALLING OUT of my phone. The whole right side of the screen is not glued/fastened in any way. It comes out 1/4 inch on it's own. Went to a VZW store and they couldn't be bothered since I wasn't there to buy a phone. My VZW store is useless. I'm going to have to go to a VZW kiosk at a nearby mall. Weirdly, they are the most helpful usually.
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I just went through this after coming from a Charge back to the Tbolt. The left side of the screen was loose and it took three Verizon stores to get a NEW replacement.
As far as the Charge goes, I liked the phone, but my friend has a Tbolt and we drive a truck so we are all over the country and the Tbolt sometimes would have service and the Charge wouldn't, or rather it seemed that the Tbolt could hold a signal longer than the Charge. I also didn't like the fact that I couldn't do voice and data in 3G, but I spend a lot more time in 3G since I travel all over. I also could never get over 20MB download on the Charge and my Bolt hit 42MB in Charlotte the other night. The battey is marginally better on the Charge, but it takes forever to recharge. Also the lack of Dev support and Samsungs issue with updates scared me. There is also a lack of RAM, 768 vs 512.
Walking away from it, the only thing that I think the Charge has over the Bolt is the screen. If you put a 1600 Mah battery in the Bolt, the battery life would be comparable., but that's just my 2¢.
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hogowner said:
Yes I know less dev support...but remember.....it just came out....
I may not root it.....have to see........
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I had a fascinate it don't matter if it just came out or not dev support is never strong for cdma samsung devices and always stellar for htc devices.
i feel like the Thunderbolt is a very raw device. Verizon pushed it out after so many ppl knew about it. Now we must wait for them to finish perfecting it and getting it to where they want it to be. I think once they have a good update for it, it will be an amazing phone. I love my TB, but right now its nothing to brag about. Once it gets GB and they address battery life and get all the app support, it will be even better.
Immolate said:
If your phone is an appliance to you, then you made an arguably good decision. The screen is a dandy one on the charge and battery life is notably better than the Tbolt. If you are a root/ROM guy, then you're totally off your nut.
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Sigh, the charge has better battery life since it uses a bigger battery. I can get up to 30 hours or so on the extended battery with quite heavy usage.
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I also am getting at no charge the holster...screen protector and I found out an extended battery for the charge. The VZ rep told me it is a 2600 battery....
I think getting this phone is a no brainer....especially with all the freebies....
the charge came out with an OTA update a few days ago....from what I am hearing from people who have the update, they are saying the data connections are better now with the new radio and so is the browser
I own both and prefer the Thunderbolt for reasons stated above. Though I do prefer the Charge screen.
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Sigh, the charge has better battery life since it uses a bigger battery. I can get up to 30 hours or so on the extended battery with quite heavy usage.
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So you quoted him, just to agree?
hogowner said:
I also am getting at no charge the holster...screen protector and I found out an extended battery for the charge. The VZ rep told me it is a 2600 battery....
I think getting this phone is a no brainer....especially with all the freebies....
the charge came out with an OTA update a few days ago....from what I am hearing from people who have the update, they are saying the data connections are better now with the new radio and so is the browser
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As mentioned before, as long as you are not big on dev support, so be it. I find 300mb less usable ram, and a filesystem thats 1/4 of the performance a deal breaker. To each their own, of course.
mi7chy said:
No phone is perfect. It's a matter of deciding what criterias are more important and deciding between the least sucky one. One area of weakness with the Charge is the inability to manage the radios and manually forcing between 3G or 4G. You lose the benefits of battery conservation by forcing 3G only and may experience constant flip flop between 3G and 4G causing loss of data connectivity in fringe areas. Also, no simultaneous voice and data on 3G.
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Although you cannot force 4g only on the Charge, it does have a CDMA and 4G/CDMA toggle.
Charge
The reviews are pretty good for the charge... but the test will be after a month of ussing it, to see if your already searching for another phone...
I've been having terrible issues with my charge, even on stock which include:
Dropping data connections (On 4g and 3g)
Corrupting SD cards
Random restarts
Slow transitions
Battery gets extremely hot
HDMI issues
GPS takes 10 minutes to lock on
Bluetooth issues
Recieveing text messages late
Etc
I'm going to call customer support tomorrow and attempt to get a droid bionic instead of a replacement droid charge. I'll keep everyone posted in case it works so you guys can hop over to the bionic without extending your contract or paying $700 for the next best phone.
UPDATE: Called and they said they'd send me one last charge and if this one is defective then they will be able to give me another brand device. Lets just hope they don't want to give me a thunderbolt instead of a bionic...
lol good luck
Don't see this happening. At most they might offer you a Revolution or Thunderbolt. But not the new flagship 4G phone.
This isn't going to happen. The only way Verizon will swap your phone out for another model is if there is a known, repeatable, widespread problem with the phone that can't be fixed with a near-term software update (ala the Facsinate). Or, you can go through a series of 4 or 5 refurbs, then another brand new Charge, and maintain the whole time you are having the same problems. At that point they realize you aren't going to give up, and they will offer you a comparable phone. Which would be the DX2, INC2, or maybe the Revolution.
The problems you are listing with your phone aren't common for most Charge owners. So, you'll have to take the "jerky customer" route to get something else.
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Don't see this happening. At most they might offer you a Revolution or Thunderbolt. But not the new flagship 4G phone.
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That's what I thought when I called to get a replacement phone for my fascinate, but I got the flagship device at the time. That may be because they're both by samsung, but we'll just have to wait and see.
I wish you all the luck in the world, but as previously noted the problems you listed are not common problems (I haven't had any of them) so I would be shocked if you get VZ to give you the Bionic.
I was waiting for months on the Bionic to replace my Liberty ROM DroidX, but after researching it further I finally decided I would rather have the Charge than the Bionic.
~John
The Bionic has a nice chipset; the dual-core & 4g is nice but I'll pass on that phone. Motorola is known for having terrible cameras on their phones & their infamous locked bootloaders. Also, no Samoled+ is a deal breaker. NEXT.
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That's what I thought when I called to get a replacement phone for my fascinate, but I got the flagship device at the time. That may be because they're both by samsung, but we'll just have to wait and see.
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Samsung for Samsung was the reason there. The Charge has nowhere near as big of a problem as the fascinate did.
I've had my sd wiped mysteriously twice now on my Charge. But i'm using my Fascinate sd, because vzw refused to give me the 32gb sd.
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Sleek69 said:
That's what I thought when I called to get a replacement phone for my fascinate, but I got the flagship device at the time. That may be because they're both by samsung, but we'll just have to wait and see.
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The reason you got the Charge for the Fascinate was that at the time, there was no known fix for the missed/dropped call problem, and the only update for it was still untested when they were doing the swaps. There was a period of 1-2 weeks where they were replacing Fascinates, and promptly stopped once ED05 was slated for OTA release.
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I've had my sd wiped mysteriously twice now on my Charge. But i'm using my Fascinate sd, because vzw refused to give me the 32gb sd.
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was the charge a replacement?
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lol good luck
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This.
Have fun trying.
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Guys, it will all be fixed with the update for the charge. The charge is screaming fast for downloads compared to the Bionic. Bionic is mearly a droid x supped up!
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Guys, it will all be fixed with the update for the charge. The charge is screaming fast for downloads compared to the Bionic. Bionic is mearly a droid x supped up!
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Please explain to me why the Charge would be any faster than the Bionic for download speeds? I would really like to hear this. Also, how in the hell do you know this fallacy?
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Please explain to me why the Charge would be any faster than the Bionic for download speeds? I would really like to hear this.
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Download speeds wont have a noticeable difference but browsing the internet on a dual core PHONE will be faster, and its on the 4g network. Doesn't get any better
But I to have the same connection issue problems. They sent two replacements but I sent both back because they did the same ****. My original charge hasn't acted up but when it does I'm gonna tell them instead of sending a refurb of the charge send a refurb of the Bionic. I have had this issue since I bought the phone. Verizon does treat their loyal customers good I can tell you that.
I wish you all the luck. Iff it happens, let me know, because some days I want to throw my phone.
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jager420 said:
My original charge hasn't acted up but when it does I'm gonna tell them instead of sending a refurb of the charge send a refurb of the Bionic. I have had this issue since I bought the phone. Verizon does treat their loyal customers good I can tell you that.
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I'm going to call Verizon and tell them to send me a refurb Galaxy Tab. And one of those touch-screen kiosks from their retail stores. And I'd like that "Can you hear me now" guy to show up for my daughter's birthday.
I'm a loyal customer.
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I've been having terrible issues with my charge, even on stock which include:
Dropping data connections (On 4g and 3g)
Corrupting SD cards
Random restarts
Slow transitions
Battery gets extremely hot
HDMI issues
GPS takes 10 minutes to lock on
Bluetooth issues
Recieveing text messages late
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I'm going to call customer support tomorrow and attempt to get a droid bionic instead of a replacement droid charge. I'll keep everyone posted in case it works so you guys can hop over to the bionic without extending your contract or paying $700 for the next best phone.
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I have the same problems, gps takes ridiculously long to lock up, I'm sure motorola radios handle gps way better!
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scarygood536 said:
was the charge a replacement?
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Yes it is my third one to be exact. First one had USB connection issues and the second one had random reboots. One I have now seems pretty solid so far.
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jager420 said:
Download speeds wont have a noticeable difference but browsing the internet on a dual core PHONE will be faster, and its on the 4g network. Doesn't get any better
But I to have the same connection issue problems. They sent two replacements but I sent both back because they did the same ****. My original charge hasn't acted up but when it does I'm gonna tell them instead of sending a refurb of the charge send a refurb of the Bionic. I have had this issue since I bought the phone. Verizon does treat their loyal customers good I can tell you that.
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Right, but the guy I quoted is claiming the download speeds would be faster on the Charge than the Bionic.
We all know the thunderbolthas been plagued with problems since its launch. First the launch date was delayed. Now the GB update that has been delayed for months gets released and pulled immediately due to more bugs. I have read about people who complain so much that they are given free replacement phones of their choosing. I would like to do the same and try and get the new nexus phone. So I need your help with making a list of all the thunderbolt problems since launch so I can make a good argument for why I should get a new phone. Thanks guys!
Just to add my 2 cents
You have to remember that as with most forums, you usually only see the problems and not the ones with good units and that one or two people talking in a forum thread or maybe a handful of people posting multiple threads can make it seem alot worse then it really is. I have never had an issue with my bolt since getting it on launch. I was first on line at bestbuy and it has worked great since the moment I activated it.
Also the launch was not delayed. Neither HTC or Verizon gave a specific date on release. Everybody was basing the release off rumors and a mistaken bestbuy ad...
when you say 'new phone', are you trying to get Verizon to allow you to exchange your TB for something else?
if so, that's not that hard. you just need to call and complain a few times(bring up battery life & call quality - data speeds couldn't hurt to) and after a few calls & complaining about how you wish you never got this phone they should offer to exchange it for you so long as you got the phone somewhat recently.
if you bought the phone back at launch though then the most they would do(other then offer a warrenty exchange) is allow you to get a different phone at the upgrade price instead of full retail, then you'd still have your TB to sell on craigslist or something.
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We all know the thunderbolthas been plagued with problems since its launch. First the launch date was delayed. Now the GB update that has been delayed for months gets released and pulled immediately due to more bugs. I have read about people who complain so much that they are given free replacement phones of their choosing. I would like to do the same and try and get the new nexus phone. So I need your help with making a list of all the thunderbolt problems since launch so I can make a good argument for why I should get a new phone. Thanks guys!
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I can tell you right now, no amount of *****ing will get you the Galaxy Nexus.
And if you don't actually have any problems with your phone, and are just *****ing because you want something free, you should head to wall street, I hear a lot of that is going on there.
Good luck is all i can say. I went through 3 Droids and 4 droid 2s, and an iPhone (on their suggestion) and STILL had to pay full 2 year contract price for the T Bolt. VZW isn't like att you barely get anything for free EVER
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Good luck is all i can say. I went through 3 Droids and 4 droid 2s, and an iPhone (on their suggestion) and STILL had to pay full 2 year contract price for the T Bolt. VZW isn't like att you barely get anything for free EVER
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AT&T has to give things out for free just to get people to stay on their inferior network. Verizon knows if you leave, you will more than likely come back at sometime after you get fed up with inferior service lol
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So I need your help with making a list of all the thunderbolt problems since launch so I can make a good argument for why I should get a new phone. Thanks guys!
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I think it would be pretty funny if you get no helpful list of "problems"
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We all know the thunderbolthas been plagued with problems since its launch. First the launch date was delayed. Now the GB update that has been delayed for months gets released and pulled immediately due to more bugs. I have read about people who complain so much that they are given free replacement phones of their choosing. I would like to do the same and try and get the new nexus phone. So I need your help with making a list of all the thunderbolt problems since launch so I can make a good argument for why I should get a new phone. Thanks guys!
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So lemme make sure I understand this. You want a list of other people's problems, so YOU can get a new phone for free?
"I deserve a new phone because forum members are having these problems which makes me unhappy with my thunderbolt"
Yep, sounds like a GREAT idea.
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The thunderbolt was the best choice at the time and I don't see any reason to change it now. Nothing newer is too much better. I think the bionic looks and feels cheaper and that's before you consider the locked bootloader... major con for me... the grass ain't always greener. Just sayin.
My name is Revos I'm a recovering flashaholic running Liquid Gingerbread 3.0
Charge would be nice, but if I want one bad enough ill buy one. Trying to get one for free is lame.
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We all know the thunderbolthas been plagued with problems since its launch. First the launch date was delayed. Now the GB update that has been delayed for months gets released and pulled immediately due to more bugs. I have read about people who complain so much that they are given free replacement phones of their choosing. I would like to do the same and try and get the new nexus phone. So I need your help with making a list of all the thunderbolt problems since launch so I can make a good argument for why I should get a new phone. Thanks guys!
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You need to stop believing all the internet crap you read. I've had a couple of phones that were FAR, FAR worse than the Thunderbolt and I never got free upgrades to replace them. The people that say they did probably took an early upgrade on another line. I ended up going back to old phones with the POS devices. So yeah, if you think I calling them liars or misrepresenting the truth, that's EXACTLY what I'm doing. And I know for a fact none of them can prove it.
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You need to stop believing all the internet crap you read. I've had a couple of phones that were FAR, FAR worse than the Thunderbolt and I never got free upgrades to replace them. The people that say they did probably took an early upgrade on another line. I ended up going back to old phones with the POS devices. So yeah, if you think I calling them liars or misrepresenting the truth, that's EXACTLY what I'm doing. And I know for a fact none of them can prove it.
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The ONLY reason why they gave me a bionic is they tried to charge me twice for not returning a defective device two separate times. Even then I had to fight them for it, first they offered to pay my data for a month. I guess their logic was "sorry we tried to steal $1200 from you, here's $30".
There was no early upgrade or anything, I told the guy to just cancel my contact. I had no intention of canceling, look what else is out there. If you really think you can get a free phone just because of the issues you've had with it good luck.
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The ONLY reason why they gave me a bionic is they tried to charge me twice for not returning a defective device two separate times. Even then I had to fight them for it, first they offered to pay my data for a month. I guess their logic was "sorry we tried to steal $1200 from you, here's $30".
There was no early upgrade or anything, I told the guy to just cancel my contact. I had no intention of canceling, look what else is out there. If you really think you can get a free phone just because of the issues you've had with it good luck.
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That's certainly above and beyond a few complaints about a device that works otherwise! Wow... That's pretty screwed up.
Problems with the Thunderbolt (STOCK)
Now granted i dont know if verizon has pushed any radio upgrades, i do that myself and the first radio upgrade i got fixed my issue.
1. GPS takes forever to lock. I walk in with a friend tried to get him a discount and showed him how MY thunderbolt wil lock in seconds where the thunderbolt, charge and nearly every other android phone they have took over 5 minutes to lcok (i never locked before we left).
2. Battery life on the stock is disgusting in comparison to clean ROMs. (my opinin you shouldnt have to root the phone to get all the specs to work correctly)
thats really all i can think of.
My main issue with this phone is battery life when on a sense based rom (any sense based rom sucks battery life a really fat guy with a milkshake), but I have an upgrade on my account and am definitely grabbing a nexus when it comes out
God.... Please don't help this guy! This is stupid!
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God.... Please don't help this guy! This is stupid!
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^^this
*Sent from my BAMF'ing Blissed-out 'bolt sportin' Taykiin mods*
Lol its dumb but its life. I dont support it nor am i against it. I had HTC Touch Pro 2 i had for over 2 years. It was a fantastic phone for the era that the Iphone came out. Sure apps were very very few and far between but being able to get ROms that were similar to HTC's 2.1 or3.0 was awesome. The only problem i ever had with the phone was i was plagued with BSOD's constantly after unlocking. But as we all know its based on the phone you get, my brother and sister both had them and were unlocked overclocked and had 0 problems...again i know where the guys coming from we all play the system at one point or another to get what we want. He was just a little more blunt about it than most people would have been. Next time bro just be a little more incognito about the whole idea behind it. Its like Backtrack. Its a tool to "test your wireless security" and you know 80% of the people that use the tool are not testing their secruity with it.
It's threads like this that made me remember why I left in the first place. I had hoped things had changed... guess not...
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God.... Please don't help this guy! This is stupid!
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This... 1000 times, this.
The following phones were offered to me by VZW as a replacement for my Charge...
Rezound
Bionic
Spectrum
Though Nexus was mentioned, the rep wasn't sure that they could offer it to me. I told them that since I wasn't asking for a replacement, that these offers were something that'd I'd consider. Sounds like the Nexus might still be a consideraton.
Nonetheless, any thoughts of one over the other? Should I try to convince them to offer the Nexus?
Stop thinking and jump all over the Rezound. Hands down best. It's a sleeper of a device. The development community is started coming around as if late. A stellar device with outstanding performance out of the box that is greatly improved by upgrading to the latest sense/ics ruu.
Rezound. No doubt. I've used the Rezound and Spectrum. Both great devices, and both better than the Bionic, but the Rezound is the better of the two devices from the standpoint of the dev community. As soon as someone gets S-OFF on that device it's going to be unstoppable.
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Rezound. No doubt. I've used the Rezound and Spectrum. Both great devices, and both better than the Bionic, but the Rezound is the better of the two devices from the standpoint of the dev community. As soon as someone gets S-OFF on that device it's going to be unstoppable.
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Alright, dumb question, and because I've been burried with work, life, and bringing home one of them there newborns from the hospital, what's S-Off?
standupdad said:
Alright, dumb question, and because I've been burried with work, life, and bringing home one of them there newborns from the hospital, what's S-Off?
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HTC devices have a flag that allows or disallows certain portions of the device to be written to. S-ON means that it's locked from writing, and S-OFF means that it's unlocked and can be written to. It's the equivalent of a locked vs. unlocked bootloader on a Moto device.
no doubt go with the rezound but when you go to talk to the rep bring up the nexus again see if you can get it if not take the rezound i was trying to get a replacement today and all the lady would do was to factory reset my phone
may I ask what problems you were having that they offered you a replacement? because I have a lot of problems but don't want to call them about it because all they do is just tell me is to factory reset...so if I have the same problem it might be worth while for me to call!
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How did you even get offered a replacement, if you don't mind me asking.
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jkat797 said:
may I ask what problems you were having that they offered you a replacement? because I have a lot of problems but don't want to call them about it because all they do is just tell me is to factory reset...so if I have the same problem it might be worth while for me to call!
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How did you even get offered a replacement, if you don't mind me asking.
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First one overheated when charging because I was not told that it should be considered mandatory to install samsung drivers even if you just want to chage. Since not all laptops output the same voltage through their USB, or even all of the multiple usb ports on the same laptop, you can overcharge to the point of warping your battery and cooking eggs.
Second one was a horrible audio issue that has plagued all of my phone replacements.
Next one was overheating and a battery replacement and audio I believe.
This is the 4th one, and it's still got the audio issue where random calls will squelch or scream so loudly in your ear piece that its deafening... and the other person can't hear it. There are also pops and other phone audio issues and long of the short, it's related to the hardware version of your phone and the software used to equalize the sound. Since it can't equalize it, you get fog horn like blaring sound.... that's the big that gave her issue to offer the replacement. There are at least 3 or 4 revisions, if not more, for this phone.
With the difference in hardware revision, at least one version doesn't give the audio issues, but they can't cherry pick the version that they send to you.
Overheating is another reason they'll replace, and this one gets to 125 degrees, which they say is within specified acceptable range. But 125 is hot when it's just sitting there taking a charge or just sitting at your desk.
Typically, after your 3rd replacement, they consider offering you a different manufacturer phone replacement. Sometimes they'll do it on the 3rd one, but one way I've always had them initiate the offering of another make and model is I question the reliability of the maker of the phone.
"Is it me, or do I see a lot of complaints about this phone on the Verizon boards? I mean, I've spoken to a couple of your support reps, and they even confirm that there seem to be a higher quanity of complaints than other brands. What phone do you have?" Etc.
Now you're letting them talk about themselves.
I started with a Fascinate. They replaced it 4 times, so I had 5 phones. I contact corporate customer service, they replaced it with a retail box Charge, twice. Then the other issues came down to where I am getting satisfaction from your standard Tier 2 Tech Support. I don't even call 611 anymore. I call the 800 line direct for their T2, and they've typically been great people to deal with directly. Even when you ask for TS when you call 611, you get customer service 9 out of 10 times. They're supposed to forward you, but they don't.
If you want to know who I emailed about my original issue from my Fascinate that gave them someone to contact me about giving me the Charge, let me know. I'll post them here. BTW, when they upgraded me from Fascinate to Charge the first time, they wanted me to extend my contract 2 years and pay 100 bucks. I said no (end of summer 2011). This is considered a warranty replacement if you're changing my phone. Then 50 and a 2 year renewal, then 0 and a 2 year renewal, and then they gave in... free retail box replacement and NO renewal. My contract is up this Thanksgiving where I'll get a new phone for a buck at Sam's club on Black Friday.
I can't get them to offer me anything but another charge. I'm already on my 5th cln charge. What number or whom did you email to get the offer?
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I got offered a bionic and a resound. I took the resound so much better. Never buying Samsung again but might change with gs3 lol. Took me a while to get used to the screen still kinda miss amoled but the GPS is so much faster screens easier on my eyes I think amoled stressed my eyes more than lcd. Only negative so far is battery life seems worse on this phone but I'm always around power so no biggie. Phone feels better in hand and did I mention fast. So yea my vote got to rezound and imo much better than a nexus.
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I can't get them to offer me anything but another charge. I'm already on my 5th cln charge. What number or whom did you email to get the offer?
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5th phone? That's rediculous. Here's and edited version of what I posted over at AC about how I got my 3G Fascinate changed to a Charge. Also, I'm at work, so my editing of my own words may seem a bit erratic. I'll apologize ahead of time.
I previously used:
•[email protected]
•[email protected]
•[email protected]
in an executive email carpet bomb and got someone from the executive level customer service to contact me for my Fascinate replacement to give me a Charge. Note a couple of things in how to perform the email carpet bomb before you write your own, and be firm about what you want. I stated that I wanted a retail box, not certified like new, replacement and received it.
Basically, when you carpet bomb these folks, one of them has the issue assigned like a normal tech support ticket that requires someone to RESOLVE your issue. In the course of my resolution, they asked me to cough up $100 and a 2 year renewal to my contract. I said no. Then $50 and a 2 year renewal. Then $0 and a 2 year renewal. Again, I said no. I was not going to accept this as anything less than a warranty replacement with a better device.... and I won. In about an hour, she was shipping me a new Retail box Charge, and though she had to make the modifications that kept my account as not needing a 2 year renewal (which required me to make a call-back to fix the renewall/contract issue because that really was the only ).
So yes, you can get what you want as long as you are firm in your consumer advocacy beliefs, command and don't demand.
All of that said, I'm on my 4th or 5th Charge since September, and the first heated up so hot that you could fry an egg on it; then replaced by another Retail box Charge where the ear piece is went out. At least the next two phones were heat for one, and audio for both. There are even known issues that nobody is publishing, like the audio equalization/modulation and data connectivity staying enabled (which may be resolved per the last patch). I say this because if you can get them to acknowledge the Verizon documented issue with the Samsung device, you might gain yourself some more leverage. Also, if you note an accent in the person's voice, ask them where they're from. Catch them off guard.
Is that a NY accent I hear?
Yes.
Really? What part? I was born in Brooklyn.
yadda yadda ... talk about Sabrett hot dogs, Carvell Ice Cream, Knishes, etc.
"I detect a Southern accent." Same type of dialog as above, just make it match something from the South because they could care less about Sabrett hotdogs and Carvell ice cream, but no matter what, slow down. When you recognize that you're dealing with someone from the South, they don't like rushing through a conversation, and LOVE to chit chat/socialize before business. Talking about golf, whiskey, and the smell of cow pastures irritating you come to mind when I needed to just get the guy to sign a piece of paper so I could leave his office come to mind.
I've lived all over the US, and when you acclimate your speech and mannerisms to the person you're trying to mimic, you actually gain a semblence of control and can lead them if you do it right. I don't state or say this key information lightly. It can be the difference of getting another Certified Like New phone, or you getting them to give you their direct email address, phone number, ext, ect ect. More flies with honey and all that.
Note that nowhere in my documentation did it state that I had to install USB drivers on any Windows based PC or laptop before using the USB to charge my phone. Consider this MANDATORY!! Not all USB ports output the same voltage, and the drivers help to regulate this. This is why my first Charge overheated to the point of overheating. This bit of oversite seems to have gotten their attention. They may tell you that its not hard to see why you had USB issues by not installing drivers, but insist that they note that you do not use the PC USB ports to transfer data. You use them for charging your phone only.
Good luck to anyone that needs to beat on Verizon to do the right thing. If you need, I can even send you a copy of the bloviated email I sent to the executive team that got me these results. Just make sure that you PM me for it, as I can only rarely come back here and play in the XDA sandbox. Just brought home one of them there newborns from the hospital, and after taking two weeks off and then going back to work, my ADHOCDD is in overload.
SuD
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PS If you want to learn about effective email carpet bombs, the Consumerist has greate info.
You may have to do a little bit of work, but my EECB's always get attention, and nearly always get exactly what I want. And "What you want" should be considered BEFORE you contact them. They'll ask you straight out... "What would satisfy you today?" Know that what is, don't expect the Stars when all you deserve is the moon.
In the past few weeks...
$33 refund from Sears, and they felt inclined to give me an additional $30 GC for the store.
$30 GC for another store that understood why I didn't believe that I should have went to another one of their stores to fix an issue.
I just wish that I could EECB about my Ex-Wife. I'd like a redux.
Take the rezound. It is hands down the best on that list, maybe even the best phone available, period.
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Well I took the Rezound so i am off to learn all there is. I needed to get away from Samsung if for no other reason just to try something new.
If I hate Sense 4.0 (I cannot go without flashing the latest and greatest) I can always come back to Sammy with the GS3 or whatever they want to call it in a few months.
They just released an S-OFF method for the Rezound, so the dev community should explode. Have fun! Wish I could join you..
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yeah i have been trying to read up on it all. So much different than sammy and even the TB I used for a few days.....but that is progress I guess.
Well, I just got off of the phone with them, and I'm getting the Rezound much to my chagrin. I was really hoping that they'd turn the table and reconsider the Nexus. In the end, they wouldn't because...
It had a dual core processor.
+Ummm, so does the Rezound
It's got a worse camera.
+ ummm, shouldn't the downgrade be my choice?
It has internal flash vs external.
+ Whatever.
Maybe I'll canvas Craigslist got a trade. I wanted the Nexus because I got into stoop development last year and am about to jump back in. What better phone to have than the nexus?
With my contract coming up in November, I'll have the Rezound and whatever Sam's is selling for a buck on Black Friday. I just hope that it's not a Rezound.
Thanks for the input folks. I'll be heading over to the Rezound forum to start reading up. At least they're giving me a week to 10 days to test run the Rezound.
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You could try to go to a store with it, say you don't like it and ask if you could get a Nexus instead.
So i take it that everyone feels about the same in that the Rezound is the better phone through Verizon?
I am currently going through the same process with them about this phone sucking. They offered me any phone they have besides the new RazrMaxx.
So ive been stuck between the Rezound, Nexus, and Razr.
Any one have any thoughts between those?
Rezound.