Hey guys -
Posting this because apparently ASUS actually monitors this forum (which, by the way, I'm very pleased to know).
One thing I loved about the dock accessory was how seemless 2-finger scrolling was on the trackpad. It was beautifully implemented. However, since 3.2 (and the new pinch-to-zoom capability given to the trackpad), I find it very cumbersome to use:
For instance, when trying to scroll web pages, I have to keep my 2 fingers GLUED together in order for the trackpad to not mistake the gesture as a pinch-to-zoom. Before, I could keep my fingers at a comfortable position, but now, scrolling is uncomfortable and unreliable due to the touchpad's frequent mistaking my contact as a pinch. Anyone else find this? (By the way, my fingers are not large at all.)
This is driving me a little nuts. If I could somehow disable the pinch-to-zoom functionality on the touchpad just to fix this problem, I would. :s Honestly, I almost never want to zoom in on a web page - but too often, unless I'm making a very concious effort to keep my fingers pressed together in uncomfortable fashion, an unintended zoom gesture is the result.
A good model for how this functionality should work (as much as I hate to draw this comparison) - an Apple trackpad implements both of these gestures perfectly. No uncomfortable Spock-like finger positioning necessary to scroll OR zoom. Hoping this might be fixed / adjusted in the next update.
It sucks
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The only thing I like about the new cursor is that it doesn't "click" automatically when scrolling - that was a huge pain and I'm glad it's out of the way.
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I was going to bring up this issue as well. It would seem that it is now three finger scrolling.
Yeah i hate it too. It also sort of annoys me how the normal mouse cursor is now that circle thing.
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I was going to bring up this issue as well. It would seem that it is now three finger scrolling.
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Ha - except three finger scrolling doesn't work, of course. Actually, I'd probably find that easier than this current implementation!
pickles319 said:
Yeah i hate it too. It also sort of annoys me how the normal mouse cursor is now that circle thing.
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Personally, I can live with the circle - I don't find it horrible. What helps is that (as you've probably noticed) the mouse movement is much smoother, with some acceleration added as well. But what drives me bonkers is that in the process of smoothing those issues out, a new one was created with the botched 2-finger scrolling stuff...
Yeah, the scrolling sucks in 3.2
I hate seeing the cursor when I'm scrolling
the cursor also sucks now because it is round, now I can't select text easily
Keep one index finger on the left mouse button, and the other index finger on the pad. Bam! Perfect "two-finger" scrolling every time.
Seriously though, I've always had my fingers "glued" together when scrolling. That's just how I got used to it, and it has always worked great. Holding my fingers in a Spock-like position is perfectly comfortable. If you can't hold your fingers in that type of position for very long, you either need to work on your dexterity or use a USB/Bluetooth mouse. Personally I would very much miss having the pinch to zoom functionality, because without it you can't operate Google Maps/Earth on the trackpad alone.
I'm surprised no one has yet mentioned the fact that the direction of scrolling is now inverted, mimicking the touchscreen rather than every other trackpad on every other laptop/netbook I've ever used. Can I please just have vertical AND horizontal scrolling at the extreme edges of the pad, like I have everywhere else? It really works quite well.
And I agree that I don't need the zoom that often. When I do, it's sufficient to do it on the screen. They can disable that, too.
earlyberd: Though I personally agree with you, some people can't do the Vulcan thing with their fingers at all, much less hold them that way.
Perhaps Asus should just release an app that allows for custom configuration of the trackpad, maybe even give us the ability to change the cursor as well. That's a standard feature on most laptops these days, and I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be possible here.
I find the main problem is when scrolling between screens, eithe homescreens or application screens. The physics seems to make getting to the next page via touchpad very difficult.
I have noticed when scrolling through web pages, the cursor will move back to the starting position when it starts a 2 finger scroll/grab.
I used to love the mouse, now i kind of hate it.
and here i thought the custom rom i was using broke the scrolling all together. maybe im just not doing it right.
hmmm ill have to test this today. seems like as we get closer and closer to laptop functionality, more and more options are needed to keep everyone happy.
as for the scroll direction, apple and MS are implementing this right now too.
Yeah I agree the two fingerr scrolling sucks, but, you can always just click and drag, what 3.2 really did was make the mouse slightly more like using it as a touchscreen. Personally I like it better, they just need to fine tune it so that two finger scrolling and pinch to zoom dont get mistaken as much
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Yeah I agree the two fingerr scrolling sucks, but, you can always just click and drag, what 3.2 really did was make the mouse slightly more like using it as a touchscreen. Personally I like it better, they just need to fine tune it so that two finger scrolling and pinch to zoom dont get mistaken as much
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Agreed!
What I'm doing in the meantime (in an effort to avoid throwing my tablet dock against the wall in frustration!) is 'click & drag' to scroll INSTEAD of 2-finger, as the latter is very difficult now. On the touchpad, 'click & drag' is possible by tapping first and immediately dragging to scroll. This will have to do until ASUS fixes the problem, or bundles in a configuration app (as was suggested above).
I really hate the scrolling in 3.2 as well. I don't mind the mouse pointer or the fact that scrolling direction has been reversed. The zoom vs scoll detection could use some tuning, but that's not even my biggest issue either. The thing I can't stand is how jerky the scrolling is now. If you scroll slowly it doesn't even respond until you're half way down the trackpad, and when it does you get notchy/jerky scrolling. If you swipe quickly you get the equivalent of a quick swipe of the screen and scroll quickly down the page farther than I'd prefer. The scrolling previously was smooth and the amount of scroll was a perfect ratio with the movement of your fingers. It's terrible now. I've just gone back to 3.1 for the time being.
I've gotten semi-use to the scrolling, but I can't get use to the big white circle. I'm double clicking on buttons or missing them all together because it's not precise enough - this is especially true when I have to select text while using an RDP app... pain in the rear!
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I find it really weird that one cannot customize the mouse for example speed, zoom direction etc.. This was done so well on my old asus eee netbooks. I also find the circle very confusing as it reminds one of the sign a mouse sometimes does when its loading the page, the old mouse cursor sign wasnt good either as often not visible but why can't they at least put a cross in the middle of the mouse so that one knows where one is clicking? I also dont like the new inverted 2-finger scrolling. I need an app to change this!!
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Is there a way to do this? I find for scrolling through text to be very slow, but scrolling through menus or selection I am fine with.
I second that.
Fully agree man.. too slow yo be useful
I, too, would like to figure this out. I switched from my Blackberry and the only thing I miss is the fact that the BB had a much better sensitivity level with the scrolling ball. I could whiz the cursor around text like a madman, but with the Magic, it's like pulling teeth.
Edit: Sorry, item #2 that I miss is the amazing battery life with the BB...but that's a whole other enchilada.
I would bet top dollar...yen...rupi...you get the idea, that this will be changed in the final version of the donut update as with typing it is way too slow but web browsing and other functions it's fine. I also noticed that apps seem to have indivudual control over the sensitivity of the trackball so all that's really needed for a change is the keyboard apps like HTC_IME or the Android stock keyboard and problem solved!
Keeping my fingers crossed!
~*Apollo*~
How hard would it be to make a app that runs in the back round that works like the new ipod's touch screen rotation feature,
For those who don't known you place a finger and thumb at opposite ends in the corners so top left, bottom right, and twist right or left, and the screen rotates that direction in which you twist, i and im sure others will find this great to have, i normally have screen rotation off, but sometimes need it for messaging and internet etc.
as you can see in this little apple video here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZnSKvMP14A
Depends on the phone hardware...
But, in my opinion a useless feature. But then again a normally use the double tap to zoom on the browser.
Im not on about zooming, im on about rotating the screen, with out having to go back and turn it on and off from the home screen lol.
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Depends on the phone hardware...
But, in my opinion a useless feature. But then again a normally use the double tap to zoom on the browser.
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Did you even bother to read the OP or even the the thread's topic? He's talking about screen rotation not zooming.
I love how people declare ideas and apps as "useless" just because *they* wouldn't use it.
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I'd like this feature too. I dont like switching rotation on and off, but i sometimes need too. Having it off, and use fingers to rotate would be a good solution.
Trouble in programming this is prolly that it is hard to not let it collide with other apps. (what if another app uses this multi-touch-gesture?) whitelisting apps is an option at this point in time, cause i dont know of very much apps that use this gesture, but they could become more popular with all the new multitouch devices out there
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Did you even bother to read the OP or even the the thread's topic? He's talking about screen rotation not zooming.
I love how people declare ideas and apps as "useless" just because *they* wouldn't use it.
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Maybe you misunderstood what he meant. The way I understand it, he only mentioned the zooming with double-tap to signal that he doesn't even use multi-touch to zoom within the browser; henceforth, he finds the idea of multi-touch rotation useless.
And to be totally honest, I find it useless too. The only reason the ipod nano has multi-touch rotation, that I can guess, is because they couldn't fit an accelerometer in such a small space and refused to change the dimensions. Either that, or just something else to cut their costs and make more of a profit.
Id love to see something like this. I too keep auto rotation off, but being able to rotate with a simple gesture would be awesome!
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I would also like this very much.
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I would also like this very much.
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Me too ....
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Did you even bother to read the OP or even the the thread's topic? He's talking about screen rotation not zooming.
I love how people declare ideas and apps as "useless" just because *they* wouldn't use it.
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Did YOU even read my post?! I said why it might not work, then proceeded to post MY OPINION!
I could have said it worse like: Don't be lazy and leave it on and rotate the damn phone with your hand.
That ipod touch probably just does rotate by touch because it doesn't have an accelerometer to know when you've physically rotated the device.
Now a way of disabling accelerometer auto rotation would be nice for when I want to do something like read an eBook while laying on my side.
Actually, the iPod Touch DOES have an accelerometer, as does the new nano. The new nano uses its accelerometer to detect when you shake it for "shuffle on shake." WHy they couldn't use it to detect orientation of the iPod, I have no clue. But the iPod touch DOES do auto-rotate. I know this b/c my 1st gen touch does this for many of its apps (which I hardly use.... it's a glorified mac and apple tv remote now).
I think this could be a useful app. I don't like certain apps to rotate and as such turn auto-rotate on and off, but with auto-rotate off I sometimes wish I COULD rotate the screen in certain instances. Something like this would be pretty nice. It'd have to be light on the cpu though and not collide with other gestures (the only gesture I have seen on my Droid X that are multi-touch is the pinch-zoom.... all the other gestures are single touch ones) that are multi-touch.
I'd say go for developing this app. I'd be pretty cool PLUS you'd learn alot about how android handles gestures and such.
I would really like such a feature, iam actually working on an app/widget that turns the screen manually, because just sometimes you need it landscape but dont want to activate the auto-orientation...
I am with this idea 100%. I find the auto-rotate waaaay too sensitive & it rotates constantly when I don't want it to. So I turned mine off. But there are rare occasions when you want to rotate (like looking at pictures) and I have to go into a widget to turn it on & turn it back off after.
A manual rotate would be nice.
PS - A sensitivity thing for rotation would be nice too - ie, only rotate when you're 85 degrees + sideways instead of rotating with like a 15 degree tilt.
Mine will auto rotate at times (my g1 and iPod touch do this too btw) when I pull minor G's while driving (like hairpin u-turns or simply having fun in the curves ). Then again, these maneuvers are ones that can't be pulled in your generic automatic or road boat.
Wrx's & STi's: fooling accelerometers daily
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add my name to the list of people that would love to see this!
Hmm.. Would be a fun project to start learning android programming...
Now if only I had some time to spare...
This feature would be very useful, why?
- Auto-rotate : since it's called "auto", that means you can not control your screen with rotation. I usually lie on the bed and use the phone for reading, web browsing and I really don't want my screen from keeping rotating. You would say I should distable the auto-rotation, right? But I don't wanna keep doing that.
A manual gesture would be really nice and very USEFUL!
I think the sensitivity option would really be the best. Not saying I wouldn't use the finger way but I think the "auto" rotation should just work better.
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My problems are that it is to slow and that when i am lying on my side surfing it auto rotates.
I am actually trying to find a way to switch it manually but all ways i try wont work
You can't hide it (apparently you can in 3.1, but that's not for sure yet) and it takes up a good amount of the screen. It's especially annoying when trying to watch a video (although admittedly I didn't notice it until I read other people's gripes in these forums...now it bugs me!).
Why didn't they just make buttons or touch sensitive icons on the bezel?
Certain apps will darken out the home bar such as Kindle reader/youtube( i think) but yes I agree there should be an option to hide it while using certain apps such as Dolphin HD while in full screen.
This is the first time I'm hearing of 3.1 allowing us to hide the bar. I hope it happens otherwise we might have to wait for a custom rom to do it for us.
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You can't hide it (apparently you can in 3.1, but that's not for sure yet) and it takes up a good amount of the screen. It's especially annoying when trying to watch a video (although admittedly I didn't notice it until I read other people's gripes in these forums...now it bugs me!).
Why didn't they just make buttons or touch sensitive icons on the bezel?
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They wanted manufacturers to be able to do buttonless designs, so it has to be there or you have no way of navigating.
by the way in any properly made app the bar will fade away till theres just 3 faint dots left, is that really a huge issue?
this is one of the best new features of HoneyComb. now buttons will always be properly oriented with the screen orientation.
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this is one of the best new features of HoneyComb. now buttons will always be properly oriented with the screen orientation.
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this. But it will be nice with the dim the lights option if apps start using it.
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So it can be compatible for future os or app if google decided to chance their button functions in software regardless of hardware placement.
Got my 10.1 note and love it, however, despite trying layer paint I really enjoy using s-note.
however, is there any way of changing opacity for screenshots, layers?
Also is there a way I can disable scrolling, as when I touch with my palm to rest to draw it sometimes moves the canvas.
If you don't want to get your hand to affect the touchscreen, you should tap on the finger icon at the right bottom of the frame. If you go like this, the screen can only be accessed by the stylus
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If you don't want to get your hand to affect the touchscreen, you should tap on the finger icon at the right bottom of the frame. If you go like this, the screen can only be accessed by the stylus
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That'll only prevent the finger from drawing on the screen when the pen is away, and only prevent the palm from pan/zoom when the pen is closer than an inch-ish (14mm) from the screen. In reality this isn't always the case which leading to this really frustrating problem! I'm very aware of the problem myself and started a thread about it in the apps section a couple of hours ago. Unfortunately because the lack of settings in SNote I can't see any fix but to replace it with an third part app like Lecture Notes... To bad, I really like the shape/function features in SNote as well as the WolframAlpha "instick".
So almost immediately I switched my buttons to the gestures and I absolutely love them. The back button gestures being on both sides is awesome because I swap hands frequently when surfing the web or really when in any app. The home and recents also feel very natural. Maybe I love it so much because I also have an iPhone X with similar gestures. By the way did you guys notice tapping the notch while in Instagram takes you back to the top just like on iOS? Is that new? I had never noticed it before.
Who else lives the gesture based input?
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I am also using the gestures, I love gestures navigation a lot than the button(soft or hard) inputs. But I would say, the gesture could be more snappy and smooth! Anyway, loving it.
Loving them too. Although i feel like the multitasking animation could be a little bit faster than that. It's a tiny bit too slow for me.
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Loving them too. Although i feel like the multitasking animation could be a little bit faster than that. It's a tiny bit too slow for me.
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Same, love them, but recent apps -gesture takes a little too long to pop in
I love them but unfortunately there is no way to activate assistant without the voice command when they are in use
nosphor said:
Loving them too. Although i feel like the multitasking animation could be a little bit faster than that. It's a tiny bit too slow for me.
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Swipe up less.
I have an iPhone x as well and must say that I also love the gesture navigation on the OnePlus 6. It's strange because the big Youtube reviewers were all hating on the OP6 gestures for some reason. Some even said that they are "nowhere near as good" as the iPhone X gestures. But I don't find that to be true. In side by side comparisons, the "Home", "Back" and "Recents" gestures are much snappier on my OP6 than my iPhone X. And they've worked flawlessly for me so far.
I don't plan on going back to normal nav buttons of any kind. I'm hoping that when Android P is officially released (not beta) for the OP6, OnePlus implements the same gesture navigation options that we have now, rather than adopting Google's way of doing it with Android P on the Pixel.
I love the new gestures.... I don't feel the need to put back the navigation buttons.
My only complaint is that the Split screen feature takes a little bit longer to activate : instead of using a long press on the recent button, I have to go in recent apps, select an app and slide it to the top.
The navigation gestures are fantastic! The additional screen real estate is really nice. It only took a few seconds to master the gestures without even thinking, very intuitive. The only gripe I have is how long it takes to get the recents menu to appear. I do wonder if One plus will stick with their gestures or go with Google's in Android P.
Just started using the gestures and I'll agree, they aren't as bad as the reviewers make them out to be. Takes some getting used to.
I am having an issue though, when I go to homescreen with the keyboard open, it will always input either a space or b/g. Anyone else having this?
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Just started using the gestures and I'll agree, they aren't as bad as the reviewers make them out to be. Takes some getting used to.
I am having an issue though, when I go to homescreen with the keyboard open, it will always input either a space or b/g. Anyone else having this?
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I just tried to duplicate this issue for the last few minutes with no luck. are you using the stock keyboard? Are you swiping up from the bottom bezel of the phone or where the display starts?
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I just tried to duplicate this issue for the last few minutes with no luck. are you using the stock keyboard? Are you swiping up from the bottom bezel of the phone or where the display starts?
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Stock Gboard. I guess I just need to be more deliberate with the swipe. I can get it done now just need to get used to it.
I moved yesterday to the gestures and I love it
I love the gestures. I only wish animations be a bit smoother. I would like to look see a nice balance between speed and smoothness.
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I like the gestures but I want some more options. I added LMT Launcher to the sides as well so I don't always have to reach to the bottom.
I like the gestures but my recents isn't very smooth. I notice if I'm in an app and I hit recent there is a nice animation but if I'm on the home screen and hit recents I don't get that nice animation and it just goes to recents.
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I changed all animations to 1.5 and look a little better. This is under Developer Settings b
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I'm surprised I took to the gestures as fast and as well as i did. I went back and forth a couple times the first hour and I have only been using the gestures since and this was late Friday after noon. the biggest thing I like about the OnePlus' gestures is whichever hand I'm holding the phone in I don't have to reach for the back button. The back gesture is in both corners for easy access to go back. In fact either hand is easy to use all gestures.
I do have an issue though as I use the swipe up option on folders to access them and I only keep folders on my 3 page dock setting in Nova launcher. I like a very clean home screen where I can see the wallpaper without clutter. This sometimes activates the home gestures when trying to access the center folder on the dock. I have learned that I have to swipe up on the very top edge of the folder icon to make sure it knows what I want.
I do wish that OnePlus keeps these gestures as an alternate option to Android P gesture implementation.
I'm really liking the gestures too and I was on of those guys that though "this isn't for me". I was wrong!
I just think they could be better, couple of more option for the right and left swipe up. Don't see the need to have the same gesture twice.
Back, recent, pull notification down, etc, would be three nice options to put in left or right swipe up. Screens this days are giganting, a gesture too push notification panel down would be great.
The swipe on the middle shouldn't be based on time, but on hight. This way we didn't have to wait for the recent apps to show up. Short swipe up = home, higher swipe up = recents. Would be faster this way.
But, anyway, loving it.
Yup. Love the gestures, just wish there was a quicker one for recent apps but that's minor. It's funny going back to my old phone to move over files I find myself constantly doing gestures and wondering why it's not working [emoji23]
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