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On my unrooted phone the "Steamy Window" application worked fine
If I pressed a little it would make a little line in the "steam", and if I were to push my thumb down on a large area, it would detect that and make a "thumb" sized print.
Now using JF1.41 no matter what I do it only makes a TINY TINY line, about a pixel or two in size.
Did the modification of the screen change an api that the Steamy Window app is using to work different?
Well, maybe you should go back to an unrooted phone so that you can play with your steamy window....
LPChris, I would expect a little more maturity from a "senior member"
I am trying to contribute to make JF the best it can be. Maybe your just having a bad night or something, but theres no need to be so childish.
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Looking through your posts it seems like your just having a bad night
Back on topic:
While this may be a stupid little problem with one application. Should finger-area sensitive applications continue to be made this could isolate JF1.41 from the market. Naturally I dont care much for steamy window, but I would like to prevent other issues in more... useful... applications
I've seen some weirdness where my home screen has a jitter. I've also had accuracy issues with clicking menu items and buttons. I'm going to backup my phone and load JF 1.31 back on to see if it is the screen or the img.
Interesting...I just reflashed with 1.41 RC30 and the problem went away. I was using the fade to blue theme .99.
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On my unrooted phone the "Steamy Window" application worked fine
If I pressed a little it would make a little line in the "steam", and if I were to push my thumb down on a large area, it would detect that and make a "thumb" sized print.
Now using JF1.41 no matter what I do it only makes a TINY TINY line, about a pixel or two in size.
Did the modification of the screen change an api that the Steamy Window app is using to work different?
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Ditto about LPChris lol, a lot of his posts sound like that, but yeah I noticed the same thing about the steamy window app before and after using JF 1.41.
Steamy window, LOL! sorry guys. anyway keep up the great work.
Yes, this is a trivial example, but it does identify a real issue.
I was reading through the various google android groups last night and I ran into some info that seems to addresses this issue. From what I was able to gather, the JF1.x implementation of multi-touch uses a community hack that reassigns the value that normally keeps track of the size of the touch input. This value is now used to keep track of the distance between two touches. (see: http://groups.google.co.uk/group/android-platform/browse_thread/thread/209b512a9fdf7367?hl=en)
your Steamy Window app seems to make use of the size value as it was originally designed. Now with the change, with only one finger input, this value is set to some minimum, producing a thin line.
To test this theory, see if when you touch the screen with two fingers the size of the mark gets bigger.
Why can't a capability bit or other mechanism be defined that could be used to indicate whether or not an application were multi-touch aware, so that the touch handling behavior at the lower levels would revert to "standard" behavior for normal (non-multi-touch) apps? Trying to make the multi-touch hack fully backwards compatible may not be practical.
I tested your idea about multituch possibly fixing steamy window
My only results are really strange.
If I touch with two fingers it will make a line about the width of my 2 fingers, but its located in the top left, no matter where my fingers actually are. Furthermore the line isnt straight its curved.
Now, after my first touch, it seems if I touch it again it just crashes.
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From what I was able to gather, the JF1.x implementation of multi-touch uses a community hack that reassigns the value that normally keeps track of the size of the touch input. This value is now used to keep track of the distance between two touches. (see: http://groups.google.co.uk/group/android-platform/browse_thread/thread/209b512a9fdf7367?hl=en)
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Edit: Hmm... the x-y data of the second finger is stored in separate fields. I think the usage of the size field is just as a boolean to tell multitouch capable programs that second finger data is being sent.
themes and JF RC versions. be careful
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I've seen some weirdness where my home screen has a jitter. I've also had accuracy issues with clicking menu items and buttons. I'm going to backup my phone and load JF 1.31 back on to see if it is the screen or the img.
Interesting...I just reflashed with 1.41 RC30 and the problem went away. I was using the fade to blue theme .99.
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it seems as tho themes have to be matched to the rom, a theme for 1,30 may flake out on 1.41, most of the themes I have seen and used so far were marked as to which rom the were intended to theme...
BhanG
bhang said:
it seems as tho themes have to be matched to the rom, a theme for 1,30 may flake out on 1.41, most of the themes I have seen and used so far were marked as to which rom the were intended to theme...
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After some more testing I have this same issue on 2 1.41 compatible themes (rusty metal and fade to blue) I am going to go back to themeless 1.41 but I think it is more related to the multitouch 'hack' than the theme themselves. I find it hard to believe that a bunch of icons could mess this up. I watches my screen jitter between the left and right screen for 3 minutes today before I just performed a soft reset on my phone.
Note: I also applied each theme from a fresh flash of 1.41...not on top of each other.
this happens with screen crack also, but it doesnt affect me that much until i start not being able to select stuff. i know it may be important its just not to me... yet *knocks on wood*
Yeah Ive noticed it too..
I thought that it was just the app at first.
I might be switching back to .31 then at least til this gets fixed.
Steamy window def is NOT reading my fingers location or size properly.
I've also seen it affect touch paint found in the API Demos. Doesn't even register touch anymore.
It appears multi-touch is premature at this point and to implement multi-touch throughout the OS and not just the browser like everyone seems to think isnt good. It is definitely is throughout the OS and probably will affect any application that uses the second touch value to register touch size.
My other concern is that dev's won't take this hacked multi-touch into account so they will continue to write programs that won't be compatible since its not the "norm"
Taken from and android forum...this is my biggest concern
"Please think about soft keyboards when considering multi-touch APIs,
where the problem isn't detecting the distance between two finger, but
rather is allowing a 2nd finger (or thumb) to come down on a 2nd key
before the first finger (or thumb) has been released. The proposed
API to provide only a centroid and the distance between fingers won't
work at all for this sort of application.
I think you'd ultimately want to package this as additional
GestureDetector subclasses, depending on whether the type of gesture
detection wanted was pinch/zoom or multiple/overlapping taps.
Keyboards (and maybe games) would use one class, browsers another.
Providing the right information from a touch panel to drive either
detector might be challenging, especially if the panel provides
'unpaired' x and y coordinates rather than individual touch locations,
but I believe it could be done. "
JesusFreke,
Any thoughts on this?
Yeah lets hear what JF's got to say.
I originally thought that the multitouch was embedded in the browser, It's too soon to have it throughout the entire OS...
How about 1.41=with multitouch and 1.42=without
I've installed JF1.41 and I have an unusual bug....sometimes the screen behaves like it isn't calibrated..i press the screen on a button and it is pressed another one....have anyone encoutered this problem?
I invite everyone to do the following to find out how ur touch registers on ur screen. Open anycut. Get it if u don't have it.
Click activity and find raw image viewer. Click ok and then click on the shortcut.
Now start moving your finger around and see the results.
Let's all post our results here so we can figure this out.
Post in the same format as me:
ROM: JF1.41
1 finger - it surpisingly followed my finger perfectly. It only registered the very center point of my finger.
2 fingers - it appears that it made the same point as the 1 finger, however now the point was exactly in between my fingers and stayed there as I moved them around.
Ok so now we need ppl with stock rc30 and 1.31 so we can test this out!
You wanna have some real fun? Try it with 3 or 4 fingers.. It goes nuts..
Hey guys -
Posting this because apparently ASUS actually monitors this forum (which, by the way, I'm very pleased to know).
One thing I loved about the dock accessory was how seemless 2-finger scrolling was on the trackpad. It was beautifully implemented. However, since 3.2 (and the new pinch-to-zoom capability given to the trackpad), I find it very cumbersome to use:
For instance, when trying to scroll web pages, I have to keep my 2 fingers GLUED together in order for the trackpad to not mistake the gesture as a pinch-to-zoom. Before, I could keep my fingers at a comfortable position, but now, scrolling is uncomfortable and unreliable due to the touchpad's frequent mistaking my contact as a pinch. Anyone else find this? (By the way, my fingers are not large at all.)
This is driving me a little nuts. If I could somehow disable the pinch-to-zoom functionality on the touchpad just to fix this problem, I would. :s Honestly, I almost never want to zoom in on a web page - but too often, unless I'm making a very concious effort to keep my fingers pressed together in uncomfortable fashion, an unintended zoom gesture is the result.
A good model for how this functionality should work (as much as I hate to draw this comparison) - an Apple trackpad implements both of these gestures perfectly. No uncomfortable Spock-like finger positioning necessary to scroll OR zoom. Hoping this might be fixed / adjusted in the next update.
It sucks
Sent from my Transformer TF101 using Tapatalk
The only thing I like about the new cursor is that it doesn't "click" automatically when scrolling - that was a huge pain and I'm glad it's out of the way.
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I was going to bring up this issue as well. It would seem that it is now three finger scrolling.
Yeah i hate it too. It also sort of annoys me how the normal mouse cursor is now that circle thing.
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I was going to bring up this issue as well. It would seem that it is now three finger scrolling.
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Ha - except three finger scrolling doesn't work, of course. Actually, I'd probably find that easier than this current implementation!
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Yeah i hate it too. It also sort of annoys me how the normal mouse cursor is now that circle thing.
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Personally, I can live with the circle - I don't find it horrible. What helps is that (as you've probably noticed) the mouse movement is much smoother, with some acceleration added as well. But what drives me bonkers is that in the process of smoothing those issues out, a new one was created with the botched 2-finger scrolling stuff...
Yeah, the scrolling sucks in 3.2
I hate seeing the cursor when I'm scrolling
the cursor also sucks now because it is round, now I can't select text easily
Keep one index finger on the left mouse button, and the other index finger on the pad. Bam! Perfect "two-finger" scrolling every time.
Seriously though, I've always had my fingers "glued" together when scrolling. That's just how I got used to it, and it has always worked great. Holding my fingers in a Spock-like position is perfectly comfortable. If you can't hold your fingers in that type of position for very long, you either need to work on your dexterity or use a USB/Bluetooth mouse. Personally I would very much miss having the pinch to zoom functionality, because without it you can't operate Google Maps/Earth on the trackpad alone.
I'm surprised no one has yet mentioned the fact that the direction of scrolling is now inverted, mimicking the touchscreen rather than every other trackpad on every other laptop/netbook I've ever used. Can I please just have vertical AND horizontal scrolling at the extreme edges of the pad, like I have everywhere else? It really works quite well.
And I agree that I don't need the zoom that often. When I do, it's sufficient to do it on the screen. They can disable that, too.
earlyberd: Though I personally agree with you, some people can't do the Vulcan thing with their fingers at all, much less hold them that way.
Perhaps Asus should just release an app that allows for custom configuration of the trackpad, maybe even give us the ability to change the cursor as well. That's a standard feature on most laptops these days, and I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be possible here.
I find the main problem is when scrolling between screens, eithe homescreens or application screens. The physics seems to make getting to the next page via touchpad very difficult.
I have noticed when scrolling through web pages, the cursor will move back to the starting position when it starts a 2 finger scroll/grab.
I used to love the mouse, now i kind of hate it.
and here i thought the custom rom i was using broke the scrolling all together. maybe im just not doing it right.
hmmm ill have to test this today. seems like as we get closer and closer to laptop functionality, more and more options are needed to keep everyone happy.
as for the scroll direction, apple and MS are implementing this right now too.
Yeah I agree the two fingerr scrolling sucks, but, you can always just click and drag, what 3.2 really did was make the mouse slightly more like using it as a touchscreen. Personally I like it better, they just need to fine tune it so that two finger scrolling and pinch to zoom dont get mistaken as much
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Yeah I agree the two fingerr scrolling sucks, but, you can always just click and drag, what 3.2 really did was make the mouse slightly more like using it as a touchscreen. Personally I like it better, they just need to fine tune it so that two finger scrolling and pinch to zoom dont get mistaken as much
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Agreed!
What I'm doing in the meantime (in an effort to avoid throwing my tablet dock against the wall in frustration!) is 'click & drag' to scroll INSTEAD of 2-finger, as the latter is very difficult now. On the touchpad, 'click & drag' is possible by tapping first and immediately dragging to scroll. This will have to do until ASUS fixes the problem, or bundles in a configuration app (as was suggested above).
I really hate the scrolling in 3.2 as well. I don't mind the mouse pointer or the fact that scrolling direction has been reversed. The zoom vs scoll detection could use some tuning, but that's not even my biggest issue either. The thing I can't stand is how jerky the scrolling is now. If you scroll slowly it doesn't even respond until you're half way down the trackpad, and when it does you get notchy/jerky scrolling. If you swipe quickly you get the equivalent of a quick swipe of the screen and scroll quickly down the page farther than I'd prefer. The scrolling previously was smooth and the amount of scroll was a perfect ratio with the movement of your fingers. It's terrible now. I've just gone back to 3.1 for the time being.
I've gotten semi-use to the scrolling, but I can't get use to the big white circle. I'm double clicking on buttons or missing them all together because it's not precise enough - this is especially true when I have to select text while using an RDP app... pain in the rear!
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I find it really weird that one cannot customize the mouse for example speed, zoom direction etc.. This was done so well on my old asus eee netbooks. I also find the circle very confusing as it reminds one of the sign a mouse sometimes does when its loading the page, the old mouse cursor sign wasnt good either as often not visible but why can't they at least put a cross in the middle of the mouse so that one knows where one is clicking? I also dont like the new inverted 2-finger scrolling. I need an app to change this!!
Hi All
Ok, I've had my shiny new Transformer now for a few days and although I'm pretty familiar with Andriod as an OS, I'm still learning about it in relation to tablets.
Now, it might be my imagination and it's been doing it from new, but I've noticed something irritating (for me anyway!).
When I touch a 'screen' in order to swipe, two, very thin vertical lines appear either side of the screen. They remain there until the swipe is completed or I take my finger off the screen.
The lines represent the left and right edges of the screen space (so I don't think it's a screen fault) - so it looks like it's there by design. For me, it makes the whole fluid movement of the screen look ugly - is it me... or is this normal behaviour for the tablet?
Perhaps I should just get a blue wallpaper
Any thoughts?
Cheers
Steve
stevep said:
When I touch a 'screen' in order to swipe, two, very thin vertical lines appear either side of the screen. They remain there until the swipe is completed or I take my finger off the screen.
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If you mean the thin blue frames around the "pages" of the launcher, then it's completely normal.
blue frames
_that said:
If you mean the thin blue frames around the "pages" of the launcher, then it's completely normal.
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Thanks for the quick reply. As long as it's normal behaviour that's fine
Steve
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Hi All
Ok, I've had my shiny new Transformer now for a few days and although I'm pretty familiar with Andriod as an OS, I'm still learning about it in relation to tablets.
Now, it might be my imagination and it's been doing it from new, but I've noticed something irritating (for me anyway!).
When I touch a 'screen' in order to swipe, two, very thin vertical lines appear either side of the screen. They remain there until the swipe is completed or I take my finger off the screen.
The lines represent the left and right edges of the screen space (so I don't think it's a screen fault) - so it looks like it's there by design. For me, it makes the whole fluid movement of the screen look ugly - is it me... or is this normal behaviour for the tablet?
Perhaps I should just get a blue wallpaper
Any thoughts?
Cheers
Steve
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If you mean you only get it on the launcher, it's a stock feature designed to show a divider between the pages.
If you don't like it, consider using a third party launcher from the PlayStore, such as Nova, Apex, Go Launcher HD, etc.
They are highly customisable, and let you change the colour of the outlines when swiping to another page.
If it's on the Home screen (the screen you end up on when booting the tablet), it's normal behavior for Nova Launcher, for example. Not all launchers do this, though, and if you're new to Android, I'd suggest looking around for some launchers and trying them out. (I am on Nova as well, as I like it best, especially with the faster-than-light options. ) FTL Launcher was great on my then-ICS SGS2, but was bugged to oblivion on JB. Shame, really, that one was fast.
EDIT: nevermind. Useless info to add, so useless edit. None performed. Walk on, people, nothing to see here.
stevep said:
Hi All
Ok, I've had my shiny new Transformer now for a few days and although I'm pretty familiar with Andriod as an OS, I'm still learning about it in relation to tablets.
Now, it might be my imagination and it's been doing it from new, but I've noticed something irritating (for me anyway!).
When I touch a 'screen' in order to swipe, two, very thin vertical lines appear either side of the screen. They remain there until the swipe is completed or I take my finger off the screen.
The lines represent the left and right edges of the screen space (so I don't think it's a screen fault) - so it looks like it's there by design. For me, it makes the whole fluid movement of the screen look ugly - is it me... or is this normal behaviour for the tablet?
Perhaps I should just get a blue wallpaper
Any thoughts?
Cheers
Steve
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If you don't like them try this. Go to the menu by tapping on the right top corner and then come to the homescreen by pressing the back button. You'll notice that they are gone. This is something temporary and you'll notice those lines may be after a reboot or something.
Blue Lines on Swipe
Thanks for all the advice and tips everyone. I'm going to try out some other launchers
Case closed
Steve
Couldn't seem to figure out if i could do this on my own so i came here for any advice!
Basically, i was wondering if you could take the one note app that looks a little something like this:
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and change it to be something a little more left hand friendly. Perhaps something like this?
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It's a minor change but if you're a lefty taking notes on this device, it makes a HUGE difference. Often times, when bringing my hand down to the device to write, my hand will accidentally touch another note page and switch to that note page. It's quite annoying!
Also, i've tried specifying which hand that i write with, setting it to left handed, but it doesnt seem to make any difference at all. Makes me wonder what it ACTUALLY does....
BrokeEven said:
Often times, when bringing my hand down to the device to write, my hand will accidentally touch another note page and switch to that note page. It's quite annoying!
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Fellow lefty with surface pro 2 here. I know your problem.
Solution:
Use fullscreen
Hold your stylus closer to the screen when approaching it, so that touch input gets deactivated.
BrokeEven said:
Also, i've tried specifying which hand that i write with, setting it to left handed, but it doesnt seem to make any difference at all. Makes me wonder what it ACTUALLY does....
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It changes the location where the context menu appears when you right click, so it is not hidden below your (left) hand.
Does anyone noticing that the touchscreen on the S6 is very sensitive. The screen registers my touches even when my finger is not physically touching the glass. I like highly sensitive touchscreen but it can be annoying especially when I am scrolling webpages.
kojaraty said:
Does anyone noticing that the touchscreen on the S6 is very sensitive. The screen registers my touches even when my finger is not physically touching the glass. I like highly sensitive touchscreen but it can be annoying especially when I am scrolling webpages.
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I might be wrong, but I think since the S4 or Note 3, the phone has had the ability to detect when a finger was hovering over a particular spot. Though that is probably incorect because I only vaguely remember reading something about that 2 years ago when Samsung started introducing crazy features like scrolling based off of tilt and such.
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I might be wrong, but I think since the S4 or Note 3, the phone has had the ability to detect when a finger was hovering over a particular spot. Though that is probably incorect because I only vaguely remember reading something about that 2 years ago when Samsung started introducing crazy features like scrolling based off of tilt and such.
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Yeah I remember this feature on previous Samsung phones, but there is nothing in the settings that indicates that there is such feature on the S6.
Screens don't even work with the note stylist.
I agree, it is SUPER sensitive. For me, this is a plus, because I tend to be too fast for most touch screens, and the extra sensitivity keeps the S6 on par with my quick hands. I actually love everything about this phone, and I am very picky.
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I agree, it is SUPER sensitive. For me, this is a plus, because I tend to be too fast for most touch screens, and the extra sensitivity keeps the S6 on par with my quick hands. I actually love everything about this phone, and I am very picky.
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But, does your device have accedental touches when swiping quickly a webpage or an app?
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Yeah I remember this feature on previous Samsung phones, but there is nothing in the settings that indicates that there is such feature on the S6.
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I don't have mine till later today, but, on the S5, there are two settings that may be affecting the issue you are having. Can you still search the settings on the S6? Look for "Air View" (main culprit) and "Touch Sensitivity".
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But, does your device have accedental touches when swiping quickly a webpage or an app?
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No, my device doesn't have accidental touches, but my fingers do. lol
The device can't make me accidentally do it, it's not a fault of the phone
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I don't have mine till later today, but, on the S5, there are two settings that may be affecting the issue you are having. Can you still search the settings on the S6? Look for "Air View" (main culprit) and "Touch Sensitivity".
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Both of those seen to have been removed as user options.
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I would like to see the touch response time of this device's screen measured. It's seems very responsive .
Yes it does and it's really annoying. To replicate the issue, scroll down a web slowly and then lift a very little like 0.5-1mm of your finger while you scroll it up. So scroll down and then lift a bit and scroll up without touching the screen. When you do this fast enough, the page will scroll up following your finger movement without touching the screen at all. Weird.
The Air View feature was removed on the S6, it was present on the S5 and Note variants. Same thing with the Screen Sensitivity toggle from the S5, Samsung just opted to make the screen more sensitive by default.
i have an S5 and S6 so I was able to compare.
I used the S5 for about a week and the touch screen was great
once I got the S6 I noticed i keep accidently hitting back/window button . upon tinkering and testing I realized the screen is super sensitive. If you take both the S5 and S6 (one in each hand) and lay them face down on your lap together, the S6 will hit buttons (and thus vibrate), the S5 wont
Hello,
For touch screen problem try this:
-in dialer type *#2663#
-TSP firmware update (general)
You should see "PASS"
That have solve my touch screen problem...
i have the same problem when playing Clash of Clans because sometimes when i launch a spell the screen is so sensitive and it launches alone
kojaraty said:
Does anyone noticing that the touchscreen on the S6 is very sensitive. The screen registers my touches even when my finger is not physically touching the glass. I like highly sensitive touchscreen but it can be annoying especially when I am scrolling webpages.
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Have that as well on my 1st S6 Vodafone EU 32gb.
Returned it for other reasons and will receive new one next week....
My touch screen was not sensitive at all, very unresponsive
I can verify that this indeed works:
For touch screen problem try this:
-in dialer type *#2663#
-TSP firmware update (general)
You should see "PASS"
I tried a reset, a full system restore, I tried safe mode, I tired uninstalling all apps, I tried screen tests and can verify for me, that this above solution was the only thing that fixed my problem.
Screen is working wonderfully now
Fix doesn't work for me?
-JFK- said:
Hello,
For touch screen problem try this:
-in dialer type *#2663#
-TSP firmware update (general)
You should see "PASS"
That have solve my touch screen problem...
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I tried this and got an error message that this feature is not available on my service. I'm on US Cellular, I don't know if that matters or not. I saw this fix posted on another site and it seemed to work for a few people who were having the same issues that I'm experiencing. I'm not very technically savvy...do you actually dial/call this number sequence? How do I choose or command "TSP firmware update"? Thanks.
Some games are impossible to play because the screen is so sensitive it counts a touch as a swipe and some apps read as two touches. This happens consistently, not just here and there.
Jerameecarson said:
Some games are impossible to play because the screen is so sensitive it counts a touch as a swipe and some apps read as two touches. This happens consistently, not just here and there.
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Not sure if it's just the way I'm holding the phone, but I frequently find myself turning on a timer, only to realise that I've paused/cancelled it like 2 secs after. Great when you put something in the oven and forget lol.