hi all.
i'm looking for the real one, the original, the authentic one.
i already tried on ebay but they all are, at best, just close to the original quality...
i contacted htc europe and htc america but both said they don't know anything about the pouch
i finally read google forums but we all know that it is not so easy to get a google answer...
sorry but... who built it?
sources and links are appreciated,
thanks...
A friend of mine recently got the original pouch from HTC USA for free...
craigacgomez said:
A friend of mine recently got the original pouch from HTC USA for free...
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well, lucky man.
i wrote the htc support via their website form but... nothing to do.
these are two of their answers:
I will be more than happy to assist you with this issue. What I can suggest for you to do is Contact our Accessories Line at 1-888-716-3594 as well as going to the website shopamerica.htc.com and also htcdepot.com to furhter your search on the right case as these are both great accessories sites. I hope this information proves helpful and resolves your inquiry regarding finding a case on your phone. Please feel free to contact us again if you have any further questions.
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Thank you for your prompt response. Unfortunately, HTC does not manufacture any accessories for our devices. They are all made by third party companies. Therefore, we have no way of knowing exactly which neoprene case you are referring to or who makes it. You would need to know the manufacturer of that case and check their site to see if it is still in production. However, here are some additional sites that you can check. Your best option might be the Amazon link as they have the largest number of resellers linked to their site. Shop America - http://www.shopamerica.htc.com/homebrands/index.htm Amazon.com - http://www.amazon.com/cell-phones-s...b/181-6435952-2642542?ie=UTF8&node=2335752011 Expansys - http://www.expansys-usa.com/ HTC Depot - http://www.htcdepot.com/ DayDeal - http://www.daydeal.com/home.php?cat=5452 NOTE : We do not recommend purchasing accessories from online auction sites, or little known resellers outside of the US and Canada. We deeply regret any inconvenience this may cause you, and we hope that you are able to locate the case you need from one of these sites. As always, we are here to answer any technical questions or concerns you may have between 6am to 1am EDST, 7 days a week for your convenience, or by phone at 1-866-449-8358.
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could you ask him what did he do?
thanks...
When I was still under the 1 year warranty that comes for free from HTC, i called inquiring about my phone. I then asked if they sold oem headphones & pouch, he replied with they're covered too. He sent me new pair of headphones and pouch.
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When I was still under the 1 year warranty that comes for free from HTC, i called inquiring about my phone. I then asked if they sold oem headphones & pouch, he replied with they're covered too. He sent me new pair of headphones and pouch.
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well, i would also be willing to pay for it...
I called HTC in the first week of January 2011 and managed to get a new battery cover and battery just as my warranty expired. But they claimed they were totally out of pouches and redirected me to the accessories phone line and web site. The original pouch is not on that site. My pouch is getting seriously shredded up... so sad.
People actually use those?
I think I put my phone in it on day 1, put the pouch back in the box and never looked at it again.
I just tried the 1 888 216 4736 line (which BTW has been taken down from HTC's site) and went to the warranty department. I explained that I was looking for this specific accessory which did not seem to be on sale anywhere, and which came in the box with my now out-of-warranty phone.
She put me on hold for a little while, and eventually did say that the pouch was available to be sent out as a replacement. I was willing to pay for it due to my warranty being over, but she said that didn't seem to come up on any of the screens she saw. So now I have an order number and a replacement is supposed to arrive. I'll let you know if it ever shows up!
I wonder if it's stretchy enough that it'd fit over an HTC Sensation with some coaxing.
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People actually use those?
I think I put my phone in it on day 1, put the pouch back in the box and never looked at it again.
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if so... i would book for it
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I just tried the 1 888 216 4736 line (which BTW has been taken down from HTC's site) and went to the warranty department. I explained that I was looking for this specific accessory which did not seem to be on sale anywhere, and which came in the box with my now out-of-warranty phone.
She put me on hold for a little while, and eventually did say that the pouch was available to be sent out as a replacement. I was willing to pay for it due to my warranty being over, but she said that didn't seem to come up on any of the screens she saw. So now I have an order number and a replacement is supposed to arrive. I'll let you know if it ever shows up!
I wonder if it's stretchy enough that it'd fit over an HTC Sensation with some coaxing.
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should we read that phoning is different than contacting them via email? interesting...
please keep us updated, thanks.
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People actually use those?
I think I put my phone in it on day 1, put the pouch back in the box and never looked at it again.
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Lol yeah I can see why... its a bit geeky to say the least and can be a bit annoying to use.
On the other hand I DO use my everyday since I got the phone (only got my N1 this January though (a bit outdated then I know)) and its brilliant! Keeps the phone really well protected from drops and scratching! Honestly if you still have yours and don't use another case anyway I would highly recommend using it!
I use mine more now than I ever have. I've had two otterbox cases break on me and I don't feel like dishing out the money to buy a new one, so I've just been using the pouch that came with the phone.
Here's one I found on eBay...
http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Original-Ne...ccessories&hash=item3363efd4b5#ht_2248wt_1163
Mine has never been out of the box, but I might be tempted to sell it if they're going for $100!
My replacement arrived from HTC! The part number on the packing slip is 70H00221-00M, for what it's worth.
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My replacement arrived from HTC! The part number on the packing slip is 70H00221-00M, for what it's worth.
Sent from my Nexus One using Tapatalk
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interesting, via email they don't know what we are asking about and via phone they send it for free!
is there any plausible explanation?
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I don't know if this is true or not, but I read a post on HoFo today that said HTC is now equipped to sell original accessories for the Nexus One including the original Android sleeve that ships with the phone.
If you want to give it a shot, the number to HTC's accessory sales department is 1-888-716-3594. I tried calling them today, but they were already closed. I'd call again tomorrow, but I work during their same business hours. For those interested please post if you find out whether or not we can order replacement sleeves instead of haggling with other XDA members for each others.
I called to price out a replacement battery and they took my info and said they would either email or call me with pricing information and could take my order at that point.
What are the chances they're selling the mythical car dock?
(I'm kidding, I assume we'd have heard about it from Google if it was ready).
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I would love to hear the prices, if anyone gets any information at all, please share
Just got off the phone with them. I asked if they carried the stock Nexus One sleeve, he asked if I needed one sent out to me. He asked for my IMEI number, confirmed my address, and said he would send one right out. No charge. I also asked if they carry any other Nexus One accessories and was told only the other original accessories that come with the Nexus. The entire conversation lasted 3 minutes.
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Just got off the phone with them. I asked if they carried the stock Nexus One sleeve, he asked if I needed one sent out to me. He asked for my IMEI number, confirmed my address, and said he would send one right out. No charge. I also asked if they carry any other Nexus One accessories and was told only the other original accessories that come with the Nexus. The entire conversation lasted 3 minutes.
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If that is the case, I might try and get a second one just as a backup
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Just got off the phone with them. I asked if they carried the stock Nexus One sleeve, he asked if I needed one sent out to me. He asked for my IMEI number, confirmed my address, and said he would send one right out. No charge. I also asked if they carry any other Nexus One accessories and was told only the other original accessories that come with the Nexus. The entire conversation lasted 3 minutes.
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I wonder how would they feel about sending me one to Finland
Oh, and hey, a tip: if a company gives something for free just to be nice, don't exploit it or they'll stop
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10 dollars I just bought one from htc
oh yeah! i didnt go for the sleeve, i asked for a new pair of headphones! my left earpiece was yanked off at work last week..
first rep. denied my request coz i told her it was my fault my left earpiece came off. DAMN IT!!!! i hate being so honest!
the next day i called again and told the other rep. my headset was defective. THIS TIME I LIED! the rep then processed my request and sent me a new pair. FOR FREE
im not tryin to scam htc or anything, i was ready to buy the stock headphones i like how i can skip rewind play and pause my music with the stock headphones and i think the sound quality was alright. BUT HEY IF THEY ARE GIVING THEM FOR FREE ILL TAKE IT ANYTIME OF THE DAY!
its weird they are not selling them but rather give them to nexus one owners.
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oh yeah! i didnt go for the sleeve, i asked for a new pair of headphones! my left earpiece was yanked off at work last week..
first rep. denied my request coz i told her it was my fault my left earpiece came off. DAMN IT!!!! i hate being so honest!
the next day i called again and told the other rep. my headset was defective. THIS TIME I LIED! the rep then processed my request and sent me a new pair. FOR FREE
im not tryin to scam htc or anything, i was ready to buy the stock headphones i like how i can skip rewind play and pause my music with the stock headphones and i think the sound quality was alright. BUT HEY IF THEY ARE GIVING THEM FOR FREE ILL TAKE IT ANYTIME OF THE DAY!
its weird they are not selling them but rather give them to nexus one owners.
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What do you mean you were ready to buy??? You just admitted you called in, and chose to lie, to trick them into thinking it was a warranty replacement and send it in for free just so you could save a few dollars on your $500 phone... wow.... what a new level of low.... congratulations to you... I guess my feeling is pitty?
And just for the record, THEY ARE NOT GIVING IT FOR FREE... if it is a factory deffect with yours, then you are entitled to a replacement/fix... it isnt that they are choosing some people, based on what you tell them, to get a free pair...
What happens is that because of ppl abusing the system (i.e. like you) these companies get fed up and make crappy obstacles that genuine users with genuine problems need to jump through in order to get genuine support...
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What do you mean you were ready to buy??? You just admitted you called in, and chose to lie, to trick them into thinking it was a warranty replacement and send it in for free just so you could save a few dollars on your $500 phone... wow.... what a new level of low.... congratulations to you... I guess my feeling is pitty?
And just for the record, THEY ARE NOT GIVING IT FOR FREE... if it is a factory deffect with yours, then you are entitled to a replacement/fix... it isnt that they are choosing some people, based on what you tell them, to get a free pair...
What happens is that because of ppl abusing the system (i.e. like you) these companies get fed up and make crappy obstacles that genuine users with genuine problems need to jump through in order to get genuine support...
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His earbuds were BROKEN and they wouldn't replace them knowing he did it so he didn't have much of a choice but to tell them it was a factory defect...It's one thing if you truly broke them and it your just getting them to get them..
Frankly if the guy's willing to buy them but unable to, which is the case right now, I agree with his "white lie" approach. It's not like he's trying to get a second set as a backup or something... i.e. he's not abusing anything here.
like i said i did not go for the sleeve. i have my sleeve my earphone on the other hand broke. so i was gonna BUY a pair but the rep said they DONT sell them IDK why but if it was defective they will send out a pair.
i like the stock headphones. mine broke and i was looking to buy a pair.
how the hell did i abuse htc? coz i lied? i didnt mind paying for headphones but this is the only option to get the stock headphones. call htc and try to buy one they will tell you what they told me. they dont sell them right now. and there is no way of buying one. its not my fault if they are too slow with providing accessories for sale.
i was just sharing my experience with costumer support. and if you got the wrong ideas then you got problems buddy.
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Frankly if the guy's willing to buy them but unable to, which is the case right now, I agree with his "white lie" approach. It's not like he's trying to get a second set as a backup or something... i.e. he's not abusing anything here.
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THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!
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THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!
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... and this is coming from, you guessed it, the guy that sent back a free N1.
yes i know! whats new? whats going on?!
If you guys are trying to get free stuff out of HTC, please don't. They are in some hard times right now.
Called HTC a week ago asking if they were selling any factory oem batteries & sleeves yet... they took my IMEI number and said they'd get back to me...
Never heard from them but 5 days later a brand new factory oem battery and sleeve was sitting in my mailbox!
+1 for HTC customer service!
HTC is pretty cool, just called cause my sister wanted a sleeve for her phone. Asked if they were selling, the rep asked if I had lost it, told him nope. They still sent it out for free.
+1 HTC
just called up, said if i lost mine he could send a new one, told him i did, hes sending a new one.....he said if i needed to purchase another to call customer care, also asked about battery he said buy from google.com/phone
So about 3 months ago I carelessly lost my stock neoprene pouch.
Since then I've raised 4 calls with HTC UK support via email and phone, and been promised a replacement each time. Has it arrived? Hell no!
Then I emailed HTC US to see if I could order from them (happy to pay cost and shipping to the UK) - no reply.
It really is a bit poor how hard it is to get hold of another one. I know 3rd party cases are available, but I loved the original. I did order a £3 replica from Hong Kong but it's rubbish.
I don't suppose anybody in the US would consider ordering me a couple and posting them to me in the UK - to be paid back via Paypal? I know US users have had success getting them free and paid.
Thanks.
I feel your pain, I thought I lost mine last night and my girlfriend thought I had lost my mind xD.
I've emailed HTC and will let you know when I hear back.
Take one of these:
http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160428233754
They are not exactly the same but they really come very very close and it's great quality. I bought 4 of them and i have 2 original too.
Thanks Isbe and watercool.
I'll sell you mine. How much does HTC want for theirs?
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I'll sell you mine. How much does HTC want for theirs?
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I'll buy it if the OP does not want it. The N1 sleeve is the coolest mobile accessory ever made.
CentralMoNexusOne said:
I'll sell you mine. How much does HTC want for theirs?
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Thanks. I believe they charge $7.95 and $7.95 shipping in US. I could give you $10 and I think you should be able to ship it for a similar amount or less (there's no major hurry).
PM me if that's OK.
/me opens his Nexus One box, checks pouch.......
/me wonders if this is the same thing everyone else seems excited about?
/me puts it back in the box...
I ordered a HTC Inspire smartphone from amazon's seller abe-123. The package received is a total disaster:-
1. The SD card was missing,
2. on the box the details about the accessories that will come along with the phone were mentioned which were tampered by the seller.
3. box was in old and used condition,
4. ordered unlocked phone but received a locked one.
I do not trust this seller and will not recommend abe-123 store to anyone.
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I ordered a HTC Inspire smartphone from amazon's seller abe-123. The package received is a total disaster:-
1. The SD card was missing,
2. on the box the details about the accessories that will come along with the phone were mentioned which were tampered by the seller.
3. box was in old and used condition,
4. ordered unlocked phone but received a locked one.
I do not trust this seller and will not recommend abe-123 store to anyone.
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I feel for you man and appreciative of the heads up but this review should really get posted to amazon on the seller's review page so others can see it who may buy from him on ebay that might not use XDA. There is also a good, correction a 100%, chance this thread will be closed. But again, on behalf of prospective buyers thank you. And let this be a lesson all prospective buyers to be very careful with who you deal with online, it's easy to make yourself look creditable on the internet. Good luck man, hope you find some remedy to this unfortunate situation!
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I ordered a HTC Inspire smartphone from amazon's seller abe-123. The package received is a total disaster:-
1. The SD card was missing,
2. on the box the details about the accessories that will come along with the phone were mentioned which were tampered by the seller.
3. box was in old and used condition,
4. ordered unlocked phone but received a locked one.
I do not trust this seller and will not recommend abe-123 store to anyone.
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I always thought amazon was a trustable webstore to buy things. I never actually bought anything there so I wouldn't know. U should post or report this purchase.
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I always thought amazon was a trustable webstore to buy things. I never actually bought anything there so I wouldn't know. U should post or report this purchase.
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You have to be careful because you may be purchasing from a 3rd party.
Sent using the power of the dark side.
When buying from amazon third party seller, always look at their rating. Always go for the one that is the closest to 100%, and most reviews and been open longer. Also, be sure to look for a review of an item purchesed that is similar to the one you will get.
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Thanks for the heads up. When I order from Amazon, I treat it just like eBay. I read feedback and look at user ratings. I read all of the comments, while it's impossible to please everyone, if I see more than 5 people say the same thing or even though a person gave a positive for fast shipment, they could still say in there that the product wasn't as described.
I found this on google. Seems like a good price for the Z5's. Was wondering if anyone has used this company before?
I don't want to be wasting my money if it turns out to be a scam website.
http://www.nigelohara.com/sony-xperia-z5-premium-sim-free-android-black12987176-pid292799.html
http://www.nigelohara.com/sony-xperia-z5-sim-free-android-green12984480-pid292796.html
does look a little dodgy and the fact they say the price was £740 for the premium and £626 for normal seems a little off as ive never seen them advertised as that. They offer paypal so you'll have protection from them if go down that route.
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does look a little dodgy and the fact they say the price was £740 for the premium and £626 for normal seems a little off as ive never seen them advertised as that. They offer paypal so you'll have protection from them if go down that route.
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Ive emailed them and they said all their handsets are UK stock so I might try them out and pay using paypal.
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Ive emailed them and they said all their handsets are UK stock so I might try them out and pay using paypal.
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Mate, the normal Z5 should only be £550-£560. Haven't looked at the site but I'd say they're dodgy.
Before I buy from a website I've never heard (or seen) of I usually check their facebook page first, if they have one.
I checked Nigel O'Hara (with 40k likes) just now (and their Shop Now button went to the website you linked just to make sure it was the same) and all I saw in the comments on their posts was words like con, thieves, give money back and so on.
Also google for reviews, it doesn't look too good
It's a fake site used by scammers.
Is there a goto place to buy in the UK with a UK warranty?
Had a nightmare with oneplus and wont' buy chinese again until they have some local presence.
The Honor 8 in blue looks great, so hence the question of where to buy.
vmall.eu looks like its not UK based...
Thanks
There's cheaper but i picked mine up from Amazon just for the peace of mind of their returns.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Honor-Dual...e=UTF8&qid=1475696240&sr=1-1&keywords=honor+8
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There's cheaper but i picked mine up from Amazon just for the peace of mind of their returns.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Honor-Dual...e=UTF8&qid=1475696240&sr=1-1&keywords=honor+8
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Thanks, yes, I've had it in my basket for a few days now, but think I might wait a little longer to see how developement goes.
I thought it was supplied by others on Amazon, but I did see direct from Amazon too.
Thanks.
£339 from three which is also unlocked.
http://www.three.co.uk/Honor/8?memory=32&colour=Blue
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£339 from three which is also unlocked.
http://www.three.co.uk/Honor/8?memory=32&colour=Blue
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Thanks. Its insisting on a 10 quid topup though.
Are they unlocked from three? didn't realise that.
3 is the only carrier I see offering it in the UK
Honor 8 UK
scoobydu said:
Is there a goto place to buy in the UK with a UK warranty?
Had a nightmare with oneplus and wont' buy chinese again until they have some local presence.
The Honor 8 in blue looks great, so hence the question of where to buy.
vmall.eu looks like its not UK based...
Thanks
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Your best bet is to purchase the Honor 8 UK edition thru vmall.eu (https://www.vmall.eu/uk/honor-8-blue-292297/) which includes a warranty (see specifics here: https://www.vmall.eu/uk/warranty-policy/). If you have any other questions regarding the device and warranty policy, please let us know. (NS)
I got mine from a three store in the uk. No other stores stock these.
Can't go wrong mines blue looks gorgeous
vmall.eu's shipping seems from Expansys?
https://www.vmall.eu/uk/delivery/
Notes:
The estimated arrival times are taken directly from information provided by our couriers. These are estimates only, and EXPANSYS are not responsible for any variation.
If selecting a next working day service, goods will need to be signed for. To help, please give a delivery address where someone will be available to sign.
Please note: Next day delivery service is available only when orders are invoiced and/or shipped out.
Unfortunately, if goods are returned to EXPANSYS because of an incorrect or incomplete address, the carriage is not refundable so please double check before submission.
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Directly from their vmall.
https://www.vmall.eu/uk/
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Thanks. Its insisting on a 10 quid topup though.
Are they unlocked from three? didn't realise that.
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i phoned them and told them I don't need a sim card thanks.. already got one, so got just the phone for 339. If you get told they can't sell them on the phone and online only, then hand up and call back until you get someone who knows what they are doing. took me three attempts. must be why they are called three!
Buying them Honor devices from Three UK you get the same warranty as if bought online via Vmall.UK.So trust assured you good on all accounts and Vmall will deal with you directly once bought.
Got my partners from three today a d on the phone there is like a customer service portal, typed in the imei and she has a two year warranty
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I found only three mobile selling it for me and like mentioned i phoned up three and told them i had no need for a sim card and just wanted the phone to which the lady was more then helpful, mine arrives tomorrow as i ordered Sunday ...
i cant wait.
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Your best bet is to purchase the Honor 8 UK edition thru vmall.eu (https://www.vmall.eu/uk/honor-8-blue-292297/) which includes a warranty (see specifics here: https://www.vmall.eu/uk/warranty-policy/). If you have any other questions regarding the device and warranty policy, please let us know. (NS)
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Thanks, I have read those and they don’t specify who the repairer is and what country they reside, so it isn’t clear if its shipped abroad to get cover or done in the UK and are subject to UK laws?
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vmall.eu's shipping seems from Expansys?
https://www.vmall.eu/uk/delivery/
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Likely just me, but won’t ever buy from these people again, so they are off the list. Poor excuse for a company.
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i phoned them and told them I don't need a sim card thanks.. already got one, so got just the phone for 339. If you get told they can't sell them on the phone and online only, then hand up and call back until you get someone who knows what they are doing. took me three attempts. must be why they are called three!
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Thats an option but left three many years ago as they don’t know what customer service is and we have no coverage from them.
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Thanks for sharing amazon uk link I think amazon is only the best place to buy Honor 8.
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Between 3 and Expansys, Amazon are by far the best option for me, but they only cover the device for one year and then you’d have to go to honour or others?
Just not clear and although it looks a lovely device, I will steer clear until it becomes clear who i deal with if anything should go wrong.
Thanks for all the input, much appreciated.
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Thats an option but left three many years ago as they don’t know what customer service is and we have no coverage from them
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Its SIM only and unlocked. Use what ever carrier you want and get the phone with generic firmware for £339
The phone from three is unlocked so you can put what ever sim in you want.
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Between 3 and Expansys, Amazon are by far the best option for me, but they only cover the device for one year and then you’d have to go to honour or others?
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I think 1 year is good enough already... usually after 1 year, manufacturer will stop/slow down upgrade, at that time, you have to rely on developers from XDA or places alike.
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I think 1 year is good enough already... usually after 1 year, manufacturer will stop/slow down upgrade, at that time, you have to rely on developers from XDA or places alike.
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i have to agree here, most places will only offer a year anyway as after this they normally have slowed down production and are at that point concentrating on another product.
if its that much of a problem about aftercare i would personally find good insurance for your phone after the year is up @OP
i have insurance on all my electronics so i never pay a thing for breakdowns etc.
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i have to agree here, most places will only offer a year anyway as after this they normally have slowed down production and are at that point concentrating on another product.
if its that much of a problem about aftercare i would personally find good insurance for your phone after the year is up @OP
i have insurance on all my electronics so i never pay a thing for breakdowns etc.
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Well, maybe off topic, but there is a second opinion on extended warranty... :victory:
Skip the Extended Warranty and Save the Money Instead
http://twocents.lifehacker.com/skip-the-extended-warranty-and-save-the-money-instead-1786556184