Retail devices will ship S-ON.
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I know , i have a S-ON MT4GS , im about to buy another 1 to find out if that one is S-ON or S-OFF
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Retail devices will ship S-ON.
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All the retail units will be S-ON sadly.
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So there's no way of getting a custom ROM on S-ON right ?
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All the retail units will be S-ON sadly.
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I thought HTC said they unlocked the bootloader for all HTC devices?
I would have hoped that after the Sensation Evo 3d thing we would have seen this one ship S-OFF. I guess it means this one waits until September? I don't think that this one was on the list I saw on the updated FB posting. Probably has the same protections/encryptions as the Sensation. I remember when the G2 got S-Off, a few phones came long for the ride. Perhaps that will happen with the independent effort for the Sensation and the 3d.
well good, thanks for saving me the upgrade(s) (i needed two).
I'll wait now and see if this gets s-off'd before i renew my contract in sprint.
I'll keep my G2
Wouldn't it be better said that the SUBSIDIZED units will not have S-OFF, versus "retail". When I think "retail" I think full retail sticker price, which would be S-OFF.
The thing is that HTC kind of borked over on their unlocking promise. The Sensation and Evo3D both shipped S-ON. We recently found that the HTC CHA-CHA shipped with S-OFF. I think all of the phones already in production before and during that statement are shipping S-ON.
I Haz 3D!
Can't say i'm surprised
How do we check if our unit is S-OFF or not? I don't know how to get to bootloader on this device. Been a while since I rooted a phone.
EDIT: Realized I had Fast Boot mode on. To disable it, go into: Settings > Power > Fast Boot. Once disabled, power down the phone. When powering it back up, hold the "Volume Down" key to get into Hboot to see if you have S-On or S-Off.
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I thought HTC said they unlocked the bootloader for all HTC devices?
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that promise was made well after the devlopment of this device began but there are s-off devices out there so i think the hacking/rooting community will have a way to get s-on to s-off soon enough.
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Wouldn't it be better said that the SUBSIDIZED units will not have S-OFF, versus "retail". When I think "retail" I think full retail sticker price, which would be S-OFF.
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i still expect full retail devices sold by t-mobile to be s-on the difference isnt in what you pay for it, it's in the branding. those with s-off devices either have an htc branded double shot, or a pre-release demo mytouch 4g slide with t-mobile branding. either way, the phones sold by t-mobile, subsidized or otherwise are s-on.
So I just checked my phone and of course its S-ON.
My question is (sorry for noob question - this is my first android device) - along with tools to root, ROMs etc, would there be a way to turn this to S-OFF? In other words, earlier S-ON devices were 'hacked' too, right?
If not, I will have to return the phone - the bloatware on this phone is just unbelievable.
Yes, I'm sure this will get rooted and/or get s-off shortly.
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Yeah, just give it time I'm pretty sure this phone will get rooted very soon. This phone has a lot of power not be played with lol
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My question is, would there be a way to turn this to S-OFF?
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Just think of S to mean security.. So S-ON and S-OFF are describing the state of the phones boot loader. If the boot loader is S-ON (security-on) then it is "locked" and any changes made to the system will be reset every time the phone is rebooted. If the boot loader is S-OFF (security-off) then it is "unlocked" and changes to the operating system will not be erased when the phone is rebooted.
The "way" you seek already exists on the Sensation 4g, which has about the same hardware as the mytouch 4g slide. This tool for unlocking the phone's boot loader is called "alpharev X". The tool is in beta stages, so it of course has not been released to the public. Although I'm almost certain it will work on the mytouch 4g, there is however, no guarantee that it will. Since the tool is not available to the public, more than likely HTC would not have been able to fix whatever exploit alpharev X uses to gain control over the boot loader. Alpharev X already works on multiple devices so there is no reason to think that it wouldn't work on the mytouch4g slide.
I certainly hope that it does because mine will be delivered tomorrow
Can't wait to play with it!!!
Oh yeah... And I want to return the Sensation 4g I Just bought.. I don't like it at all :/
Edit: revolutionary is the name of the tool and it has been released for the sensation 4g.. So it won't be long now before the mytouch 4g slide gets S-OFF.
Root and S-Off are what's holding me back from getting this phone. It certainly holds a lot of promise to it, but I think I'll stick with my G2 for now.
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Root and S-Off are what's holding me back from getting this phone. It certainly holds a lot of promise to it, but I think I'll stick with my G2 for now.
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yeah, I almost waited too... but I was jonesing for a dual core phone. it looks like someone obtained temp root on one of the S-ON retail MT4G slides though, looks like we already have the ball rolling.
Temproot has already been achieved, and considering the sensation and the mt4gs's bootloaders are near identical, when Alpharev-revoked releases their S-OFF patch for the Sensation today, I'd imagine that the mt4gs will only be a week behind.
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Reviewer at Gigaom checked the bootloader on his review Sensation 4G and it is unlocked. He does emphasize that this is a review unit and may not be the same when the phone is actually released but think it will be.
http://gigaom.com/mobile/video-htc-sensation-4g-sense-3-0-first-look/#comment-629517
Interesting that the first T-mobile Sensation to be checked (that we know of) does have s-off. I suppose it's possible this was a testing unit that HTC re-used as a review unit.
omarlopez813 said:
Hi i actually work for t-mobile . we just got a shipment of the sensations . i checked 4 of those devices and all has s-off. wanted to post this but dont have access
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he is located maimi florda if you want to buy one
How do I boot in to check if I have s offf?
Just turn your phone off an then press vol down and the power button. then you will see if it's S-OFF or S-ON
I'm coming back to my cha-cha after trying to use an s2 - i miss the keys!
The "p" (as in letter p) button is playing up and htc online support have offered a warranty fix *if* it doesn't have "illegal" software on it (such as custom rom or unlocked bootloader.....
I have s-off via clip, rooted and super osr on ....
Do i just need to flash an ruu on or is there more does anyone know please?
I think ruu will still leave the s-off - but some people on here last year said they got there unit s-off'd out the box so maybe s-off alone wouldn't matter.
Any tips what ruu to use - the lower the better so i can put osr back when i get phone back.....
thanks guys
My letter "P" is playing up too. It's starting to annoy me now.
I flashed the Ruu rom, still s-off.
Phone gets collected next week by HTC.
Please tell us if they repaired it, and when it come back to you, check if you still have S-OFF
They repaired it, only took one day.
Was s-off still, had newer software on than the ruu I had used.
It's back to super osr now of course
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qbert456 said:
They repaired it, only took one day.
Was s-off still, had newer software on than the ruu I had used.
It's back to super osr now of course
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Makes sense... An american judge decided that it is legal to root or (yeah, some of us have a lag of taste) jailbreak your phone. The waranty can only be voided with messing up the hardware of your phone. Since HTC also sells ChaCha's with S-OFF, they cannot blame you for unlocking it yourself. What kind of software you'll run on your phone is your own choice, and HTC can't do anything about it. They just try to scare you off with telling you this fairytale
So, here's my situation:
I have a HTC One X that is currently on Straight Talk.
Since Straight Talk doesn't push updates through the BYOP program, I called ATT and asked them what I can do to get the JB 4.1 update.
They told me to get it off the HTC website and do it myself and stuff like that.
So, downloaded HTC Sync Manager, ROM, everything.
Ran the ROM, it installed, everything was lookin' sexy.
Well, everything was working very sexy as well until my phone randomly reboot.
I was like dafuq, thought it must have been a tiny glitch, so didn't pay that much attention to it, until it reboot randomly again 10 minutes later.
This time, however, it didn't get past the ATT logo, and it reboot again. I tried getting it into bootloader, did that, and wiped the phone through bootloader.
Everythin' going dandy, then another random Reboot.
HOWEVER, this time it was just stuck at the HTC logo, and then turned off. Unresponsive. Zero. Nada.
Soooooo. now I have a HTC One X, that's unresponsive, as if the battery is completely dead.
THING IS THOUGH: When I plug it into my computer, it does the ba-dum sound, followed by a da-da-da right after.
Checked DM, apparently it's QHSUSB_LOAD now with an Error 28.
I read on other forums that apparently you have to have S-off to do even a normal update?
How come HTC didn't have it on their website?
It didn't say sh*t on installation windows either about having s-off.
Kinda like someone giving you cake and saying "Oh yeah lol, I **** in there"
Phone is bricked, no doubt, looking for a JTag around my town and Craigslist atm as well, but just wondering, is there anything else that it could be?
I'm 19 and I'm desperate to have my NoLifePartner One X back.
kthxgaiz<3
If you had never rooted the phone or unlocked the bootloader you can install an official update no problems.
The whole "must be s-off" thing is for people who have rooted, and therefore have SuperCID. If you have SuperCID and run an official update while s-on, it will brick.
So if you had never altered your device, you should have been ok. In saying that, these official updates have been known to brick stock phones from time to time.
So, if you had a stock phone and ran the correct update and it bricked your device, that should be covered by warranty I believe.
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QHSUSB_LOAD after running the 3.18 RUU means you are bricked.
As mentioned in the previous reply, S-off is not "supposed" to be a requirement for running the RUU. For some reason not completely understood, the 3.18 RUU (and folks also report for 3.17 RUU on some other carriers) and OTA will brick the phone if it is SuperCID and S-on. So S-off (or alternately changing back to the AT&T CID) is the workaround. This was not the case with previous RUUs (SuperCID and S-on was fine). In any case, if the phone was SuperCID, it was a user modification, and HTC is under no obligation to inform you that it can brick the phone.
If you didn't have SuperCID, than its possible the RUU just bricked the phone randomly. Its happened to a small minority of people. Anytime bootloader or radio is modified/updated, and things do go quite right, you stand a small chance of bricking the device. In this case, you should be covered under warranty if the phone is less than a year old.
What if I bought the phone used from a store in my city, and the 'void' stickers have already been altered..?
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What if I bought the phone used from a store in my city, and the 'void' stickers have already been altered..?
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Your screwed
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Youre screwed
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And not by a 5 ft 7 120 smoking sexy dirty blonde lookin for a rebound...
:thumbdown::beer::beer:
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Does the T-Mobile HTC One S always come S-Off or was I lucky on my trade today? I traded my mint Sony Xperia Play (AT&T) this morning for a HTC One S, also mint. I've traded, bought and sold to the guy before and I know he gets his devices new by special means and knows nothing about rooting, bootloaders or S-Off.
Anyways I got curious in snooping around the bootloader menu and to my surprise found it to be S-Off...
Was this luck or do all/most/many come this way?
...nobody knows??? Just curious...
Crossvxm said:
...nobody knows??? Just curious...
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Most come with S-ON, although some are sold S-off and Supercid (International use, I'm pretty sure)
tivofool said:
Most come with S-ON, although some are sold S-off and Supercid (International use, I'm pretty sure)
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Oh okay. I was surprised to find it S-Off when I got this thing. I couldn't believe my eyes. That will save me a load full of work, especially the part were some of the tools require a Linux OS instead of Windows. Now ofcourse Linux is a download and installation away, but my "temporary" (now permanent) laptop is so old it only packs 128mb of ram (max can ONLY reach 512mb) and any type of Linux installation just hangs and never installs no matter how many hours you leave it running.
Not to mention some of these devices require the "hotwire" trick, and every time i need something (such as a paper clip) it is nowhere to be found.
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htc wil never ever give you a s-off device for free.
you have several situations. here are a few.
1: the previous owner of the device,
A was so kind to leave the device s-off, sold it
B he wasnt able/willing to get the s-on back properly, sold it.
C he ****ed up the device, was able to get it running again, left it as is, sold it.
D...
when i sell my devices i always ask you gonna customize it, if yes i leave it s-off. if not full stock
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Most come with S-ON, although some are sold S-off and Supercid (International use, I'm pretty sure)
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all the devices come with s-on.
real187 said:
htc wil never ever give you a s-off device for free.
you have several situations. here are a few.
1: the previous owner of the device,
A was so kind to leave the device s-off, sold it
B he wasnt able/willing to get the s-on back properly, sold it.
C he ****ed up the device, was able to get it running again, left it as is, sold it.
D...
when i sell my devices i always ask you gonna customize it, if yes i leave it s-off. if not full stock
all the devices come with s-on.
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Nah trust me his knowledge on rooting and so on is VERY LOW. It once took me nearly an hour to show him how to flash a rom on a device I sold him and in a day or two he already messed things up since the rom would wipe many key apps when given an old fashion factory reset. ANOTHER good hour wasted explaining to him the process over phone. If he were to buy these devices used already then sell them to me I would believe that perhaps that person did it instead of him. He gets them brand new in a store he works in, instead of commissions/bonuses for his many sales his boss lets him pick a free phone of his choice as long as its not 100% modern (e.g. a Nexus 5. wish I had that type of boss) in which he gets the opportunity to make more money off of that but remember, his boss doesn't have to pay cash, and he's basically stuck with selling it himself.
If he cant flash a simple rom, or even use a simple app to root a device, I doubt he will ever be able to S-Off an HTC. Also if he were younger (lol) I'd consider the possibility. I honestly believe that this thing may have mistakingly been left S-Off or something by the factory. Or maybe it served a purpose back at HTC.
Whatever the case, it was a big surprise to me.
real187 said:
htc wil never ever give you a s-off device for free.
you have several situations. here are a few.
1: the previous owner of the device,
A was so kind to leave the device s-off, sold it
B he wasnt able/willing to get the s-on back properly, sold it.
C he ****ed up the device, was able to get it running again, left it as is, sold it.
D...
when i sell my devices i always ask you gonna customize it, if yes i leave it s-off. if not full stock
all the devices come with s-on.
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I would have to dig through old posts to find it, but I was talking to one guy who had just bought one from a store and they were S-off supercid. He said there were about 3-4 more there. Now this guy was from the middle east, I cannot remember which country he said.
I just assumed they had to sell them to that area that way so they could be used with their particular carrier.
I'll search and post it if I can find it.
Edit: found it, he was from Pakistan
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2483636
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I would have to dig through old posts to find it, but I was talking to one guy who had just bought one from a store and they were S-off supercid. He said there were about 3-4 more there. Now this guy was from the middle east, I cannot remember which country he said.
I just assumed they had to sell them to that area that way so they could be used with their particular carrier.
I'll search and post it if I can find it.
Edit: found it, he was from Pakistan
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2483636
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Hey now that you mention it I think thats the race his bosses are. But whats a supercid? Never heard of that before?
Nah definitely not as lucky to have a supercid. I assume CID = Carrier Identification seeing mine is T-Mobile related.
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Hi guys,
My brother purchased the htc one m8 from verizon shortly after release and got to experience the wonders of an easily unlock-able bootloader. Knowing verizon, phones are occasionally patched months after release to revert/nullify this functionality. Did this ever happen to the HTC one m8? I want to buy one, but not if it's going to be curbstomped like my galaxy s4. As an Android dev this is a crucial aspect of any phone I purchase.
Thank you very much for your time and potential response(s), have a wonderful day.
Being an htc device, there are 2 levels of "unlocking" if you will. There's an unlocked bootloader and there's s-off. At least for this phone, the 2 current exploits (firewater and sunshine) perform both functions with s-off giving you the deeper access to your phone. While ota updates can relock the bootloader, I understand that they will never turn s-on which means you will always have the ability to re-unlock if you feel compelled to take an ota rather than flashing it's comments once prepared by the devs.
Evangelosg said:
Hi guys,
My brother purchased the htc one m8 from verizon shortly after release and got to experience the wonders of an easily unlock-able bootloader. Knowing verizon, phones are occasionally patched months after release to revert/nullify this functionality. Did this ever happen to the HTC one m8? I want to buy one, but not if it's going to be curbstomped like my galaxy s4. As an Android dev this is a crucial aspect of any phone I purchase.
Thank you very much for your time and potential response(s), have a wonderful day.
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Once its unlocked and s off, leave it that way. While updates can sometimes patch exploits used to do this, they never lock your bootloader or s on the device. So just never s on or relock....
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Being an htc device, there are 2 levels of "unlocking" if you will. There's an unlocked bootloader and there's s-off. At least for this phone, the 2 current exploits (firewater and sunshine) perform both functions with s-off giving you the deeper access to your phone. While ota updates can relock the bootloader, I understand that they will never turn s-on which means you will always have the ability to re-unlock if you feel compelled to take an ota rather than flashing it's comments once prepared by the devs.
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Got it, thanks!
Also, new M8 devices have the original exploit fixed. So you'll need to spend $25 to get a new device S-Off'd (just a heads up).
And obviously if you ever need to get a new phone due to hardware issues it resets the process, so your point about Verizon is good. It's a constant game of cat and mouse.
Looking at it this way when I sell my M8, if ever, I will add 25$ to the price tag =] thanks @jcase and @beaups