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If we had s-off but a locked bootloader, would there be a way to unlock the bootloader without notifiying HTC through HTCdev? Or does an unlocked bootloader essentially come with s-off?
I am wondering because I would prefer not to notify HTC of the unlock unless I absolutely have to. Obviously...
I don't know the answer to you first question but, I do know that unlocked bootloader does not give you s=off.
Yes but I'm asking if s-off gives up an unlocked bootloader. Or if the only way to unlock it is to use HTCdev
Confirmed. I'll wait a while before using htcdev.
I don't think we'll know for sure, until the S-Off method is found (which may be soon?). And there are plenty here that know more than I. But S-Off should be security off for everything, and let you do whatever you want, so I don't think you need bootloader unlock on top of that.
I could be wrong but unless HTC has some sort of counter in the phone how would they know you unlocked? If we ever got s-off you would just push the stock hboot etc and no flags would be thrown. Just because you generate a token, doesn't mean you went through with unlocking the device. Again, I didn't read HTC's fine print when unlocking though.
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I could be wrong but unless HTC has some sort of counter in the phone how would they know you unlocked? If we ever got s-off you would just push the stock hboot etc and no flags would be thrown. Just because you generate a token, doesn't mean you went through with unlocking the device. Again, I didn't read HTC's fine print when unlocking though.
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Wow that's absolutely hilarious LOL I never once stopped to think with my puny brain that we could indeed generate tokens without unlocking. Haha so funny. And yes if we could hide it, it would be great, but I read that no matter what you do the boot loader will always say RELOCKED and not LOCKED. Or tampered, something of that sort.
I think we can fix that with s off. I could be completely wrong though.
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From what I've been reading, any and everything can be accomplished with s-off. We can make the phone microwave food with s-off. PS they are trying some s-off methods with a members phone today. We shall see
Yep, S-Off means all partitions are writeable, and nothing is locked (except possibly SIM lock). I'm not personally clear what exploit is being used to get S-Off, but if it doesn't involve HTCDev (which my guess is that it wouldn't) than I don't see any way for HTC to track you. But all of this will hopefully be definitively answered very soon once a method is deployed . . .
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If we had s-off but a locked bootloader, would there be a way to unlock the bootloader without notifiying HTC through HTCdev? Or does an unlocked bootloader essentially come with s-off?
I am wondering because I would prefer not to notify HTC of the unlock unless I absolutely have to. Obviously...
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If you go through HTC are you supposedly giving up your warranty?
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If you go through HTC are you supposedly giving up your warranty?
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Yup. They tell you explicitly when you unlock the bootloader that you are voiding your warranty.
I think reports vary a bit on what HTC will actually do if you send a phone in with a hardware defect and its BL unlocked. I was reading a while ago on the International One X forum that they will still honor your warranty if you are BL unlocked and there is a hardware defect, as long as a custom ROM was not installed. But if you flashed a custom ROM they can somehow tell (even if you returned to stock) and deny your warranty. At least that was one guys experience over in the International forum.
S-OFF > Unlocked Bootloader, especially when HTCDev is involved. I've been holding off on the HTCDev unlock to see if we can get S-OFF, but now that some awesome ROMs are becoming available... I may just crack!
Billy
Stop worrying so much. Unlock it and enjoy it. No need to stress, it's not a car, it's a phone. Itll be fine. did u get the aftermarket or accidental warranty? If so, and you need it replaced, use that warranty if htc doesn't fix it. That's if they deny it and if they do they'll give you a repair cost, hopefully affordable. I would think though they would only deny it if unlocking caused the failure. If the flash goes out or dust under screen or volume rocker fails or USB port dies... They would probably fix it. No way unlocking it could cos those things to fail.
Well I'm banking on the fact that we will get s-off anyway and be able to remove the evidence of it ever being unlocked. I can just argue that I didn't actually unlock the bootloader and only generated the code. Either I honestly don't care anymore because I just got a great insurance plan that was only 58 for a year and covers EVERYTHING with only $75 deductible.
Also its funny that you say they would cover dust under the screen. I had an Inspire a while back and tried to get it repaired under warranty for dust under the screen (the battery door let a ton of dust in) and they would not cover it. I was so pissed about it and the way they handled it I swore to never buy another HTC product.
And then they released the most beautiful phone in the world.
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Well I'm banking on the fact that we will get s-off anyway and be able to remove the evidence of it ever being unlocked. I can just argue that I didn't actually unlock the bootloader and only generated the code. Either I honestly don't care anymore because I just got a great insurance plan that was only 58 for a year and covers EVERYTHING with only $75 deductible.
Also its funny that you say they would cover dust under the screen. I had an Inspire a while back and tried to get it repaired under warranty for dust under the screen (the battery door let a ton of dust in) and they would not cover it. I was so pissed about it and the way they handled it I swore to never buy another HTC product.
And then they released the most beautiful phone in the world.
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details on that insurance please? that's fantastic
gunnyman said:
details on that insurance please? that's fantastic
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Ensquared.
Thanks signed up and canceled the overpriced att insurance.
gunnyman said:
Thanks signed up and canceled the overpriced att insurance.
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It's the least I could do for you essentially being responsible for the 1.85 root.
Hi guys,
Longtime iPhone user here, looking to defect. After being inspired by a poster over at The Verge, I embarked on a 30 day trial of a One X yesterday. I've been wanting a nice big screen for a while, and the One X is just all kinds of hot.
Anyhow, I'm still on the fence with a straight up stock device. I suspect I might change my tune with a custom ROM, but I'm now under the impression that a custom ROM is not possible without first unlocking the bootloader. Is this a correct statement? Things have been changing so much over the last week or two with the One X, I'm having a hard time deciphering a clear answer to this.
I'm comfortable with rooting (did this last night) and perfectly comfortable with the process of unlocking the bootloader. But the unlocking scares me a bit, as it doesn't appear to be completely reversible. This doesn't jive to well with my "30 day trial" plans if I decide to return the phone. Seems best I can do is get it back to a "Re-locked" status, which I'm thinking might not be ideal if I decide to return the phone. Who knows, AT&T may not care (or even check), but I wouldn't be surprised if they did.
Bottom line, I want to dip my toe into the custom ROM pool, but without having to commit to an unlocked bootloader. Possible?
Pretty sure it's not possible, but im not 100%. You need a custom recovery (CWM or TWRP) to flash roms and in order to replace the stock recovery I'm pretty sure you need to be bootloader unlocked.
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Hi guys,
Longtime iPhone user here, looking to defect. After being inspired by a poster over at The Verge, I embarked on a 30 day trial of a One X yesterday. I've been wanting a nice big screen for a while, and the One X is just all kinds of hot.
Anyhow, I'm still on the fence with a straight up stock device. I suspect I might change my tune with a custom ROM, but I'm now under the impression that a custom ROM is not possible without first unlocking the bootloader. Is this a correct statement? Things have been changing so much over the last week or two with the One X, I'm having a hard time deciphering a clear answer to this.
I'm comfortable with rooting (did this last night) and perfectly comfortable with the process of unlocking the bootloader. But the unlocking scares me a bit, as it doesn't appear to be completely reversible. This doesn't jive to well with my "30 day trial" plans if I decide to return the phone. Seems best I can do is get it back to a "Re-locked" status, which I'm thinking might not be ideal if I decide to return the phone. Who knows, AT&T may not care (or even check), but I wouldn't be surprised if they did.
Bottom line, I want to dip my toe into the custom ROM pool, but without having to commit to an unlocked bootloader. Possible?
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Correct you will need to unlock the downloader. But if you check your bootloader right now, it already says tampered due to rooting. In my experience at&t wont check the status, but more to the point you can unlock the bootloader being it already shows the tampered flag.
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kleeman7 said:
Correct you will need to unlock the downloader. But if you check your bootloader right now, it already says tampered due to rooting. In my experience at&t wont check the status, but more to the point you can unlock the bootloader being it already shows the tampered flag.
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It does show tampered but when run an RUU that goes away.
@OP- Odds are the rep at the AT&T store isn't going to know to check the bootloader to see if it's been unlocked. I'm fairly confident that once you unlock and try out some custom ROMs (CleanROM SE is my recommendation), you won't be going back to iOS any time soon.
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Plus, with fastboot on, it's "harder" to get to bootloader.
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Correct you will need to unlock the downloader. But if you check your bootloader right now, it already says tampered due to rooting. In my experience at&t wont check the status, but more to the point you can unlock the bootloader being it already shows the tampered flag.
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True, but I got the tampered flag to clear last night by flashing the stock RUU back. That did freak me out last night when I noticed it though, and it's the only reason I went back to complete stock last night just to make sure I wasn't already screwed.
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It does show tampered but when run an RUU that goes away.
@OP- Odds are the rep at the AT&T store isn't going to know to check the bootloader to see if it's been unlocked. I'm fairly confident that once you unlock and try out some custom ROMs (CleanROM SE is my recommendation), you won't be going back to iOS any time soon.
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Plus, with fastboot on, it's "harder" to get to bootloader.
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Interesting! This probably explains why I haven't been able to get into the bootloader for the last 10 minutes! That did the trick though, so thanks for that.
But seriously, I sure wasn't able to get into the bootloader with fastboot enabled. Knowing that, I feel a little more comfortable just going ahead and unlocking now.
I returned a ROM'd up HOX to at&t and they didn't even turn on the screen. You'll be good, they don't ask questions if you're in your 30 days.
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I'm now rooted, bootloader unlocked, and running CleanROM SE 3.0. Thanks for the info everyone, really appreciate it! Now we'll see how the next 30 days goes...
Any other tips/suggestions/ideas for things I should do for an iOS switcher?
Awesome! You're going to love that ROM. Aside from downloading Titanium Backup to keep all your crap backed up should you decide to switch ROMs, I'd say just play around with what you've got for now. I spent 4 months on an iPhone 4S and loved it, but as soon as I got back to Android with my HOX, I haven't missed a minute of my iOS experience. If you get frustrated with anything, just chock it up to learning a new OS and don't be discouraged. I think by the end of your 30 days you will find that Android is actually MORE intuitive and user friendly than iOS, and you won't have to jump through so many hoops to accomplish simple tasks. You are going to love it. Welcome to the wonderful world of Android
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It does show tampered but when run an RUU that goes away.
@OP- Odds are the rep at the AT&T store isn't going to know to check the bootloader to see if it's been unlocked. I'm fairly confident that once you unlock and try out some custom ROMs (CleanROM SE is my recommendation), you won't be going back to iOS any time soon.
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They've never checked any phone I've returned that was bootloader unlocked or rooted. I do try to go back to as close to stock as possible tho.
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They've never checked any phone I've returned that was bootloader unlocked or rooted. I do try to go back to as close to stock as possible tho.
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Yep, I've returned 2 with relocked bootloaders and they didn't check either phone.
I was on an iphone for 2 1/2 years before taking the plunge into android with the HOX...to be honest I don't miss iOS one bit. I've found that everything I can do with android and this phone stock, I needed a jailbroken iphone to accomplish...
Only reason I rooted and unlocked my HOX was because I'm a "tinkerer" and love customization and the ability to do whatever I want to my device. I haven't flashed any ROM's yet, mainly because I'm still learning this stuff but I'm sure it won't be long..
Hello guys. I've finally created an account and joined your community hoping that i would finally be able to find an answer to problem my phone has, as i haven't really found something similar while i was wasting time searching on google. I have the S4 version of the One S, updated to 4.1.1 stock, no rooting or anything else done.
Okay, now let me describe what happens : Whenever i turn on my Data connection, it works fine for a couple of minutes, then it self-reboots. The screen randomly turns off, then the HTC logo appears and it's back on. If i don't turn data connection off as soon as possible, it won't pass too long until it reboots again. Each time, I receive the notification to send the error report to HTC, but it didn't really help me. This has been happening ever since i bought my phone, 3 months ago.
I even tried contacting HTC support, i chatted with an operator and described him my problem, but his only two solutions were factory reset or warranty. The first one didn't work, unfortunately. That's why i came here, hoping that there may be a software problem or something like that which could be fixed somehow.
PS: Wi-Fi has no problem at all. It's all smooth and fine. Reboots are only caused by data connection.
Wish you a nice day!
I'm no expert, but it seems that you have a retarded phone. Try running an RUU for your CID, take it back down to Ice Cream Sandwich and then do the OTA update again. If that continues to happen, then run the RUU again and stick with ICS. It's better than Jelly Bean, battery life is much much longer, and the sense improvements aren't all that good. Having personalised text message themes is nice, but that's one of the only upsides.
Running RUU doesn't require unlocking, which voids the warranty? If i do that, and it eventually fails, warranty won't be an option anymore, i guess. Am i wrong?
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Running RUU doesn't require unlocking, which voids the warranty? If i do that, and it eventually fails, warranty won't be an option anymore, i guess. Am i wrong?
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Running RUUs requires having a LOCKED bootloader, so you don't have to worry about that. Secondly, it says that is MAY void your warranty. HTC have to prove that unlocking the bootloader made it break.
But, from what I read, as I have very little knowledge of this, I still have to downgrade the hboot from 2.15, my actual version to a lower one. And this requires rooting. Am I right?
I will try tomorrow to use the RUU from 4.1.1, it has the same version and radio like my phone. I suppose that's fine, right? [my Cid is 405]
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If the RUU says HTC__405 and Ville (if you have the 1.5Ghz S4 version) or Ville_C2 (if you have the 1.7Ghz S3 processor) then it will work perfectly.
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Take it to warranty if it was doing that from the first day you bought it... DON't Try to fix it, it sounds as a hardware problem, and to be fair, why do you want to repair it??? TAKE IT TO THE SHOP YOU BOUGHT IT! STOP.
I also had some kind of problem, it wasn't related to Data, but more with WIFI, and it wasn't fixed completely until I flashed A FULL RUU of the latest Jelly Bean Rom Available, probably in the process rewriting every bit of software, radio and such!
I was on the verge of throwing my phone out the window more than one time, but I bought it second hand so I didn't had warranty!
This is the only thing you cand do, flash a RUU for your region or operator, beside that it's hard to diagnose the problem... OTA Updates can do nasty things sometimes, so I don't recommend it...
After the flash, if it still acts up it's a hardware problem!
So, here's my situation:
I have a HTC One X that is currently on Straight Talk.
Since Straight Talk doesn't push updates through the BYOP program, I called ATT and asked them what I can do to get the JB 4.1 update.
They told me to get it off the HTC website and do it myself and stuff like that.
So, downloaded HTC Sync Manager, ROM, everything.
Ran the ROM, it installed, everything was lookin' sexy.
Well, everything was working very sexy as well until my phone randomly reboot.
I was like dafuq, thought it must have been a tiny glitch, so didn't pay that much attention to it, until it reboot randomly again 10 minutes later.
This time, however, it didn't get past the ATT logo, and it reboot again. I tried getting it into bootloader, did that, and wiped the phone through bootloader.
Everythin' going dandy, then another random Reboot.
HOWEVER, this time it was just stuck at the HTC logo, and then turned off. Unresponsive. Zero. Nada.
Soooooo. now I have a HTC One X, that's unresponsive, as if the battery is completely dead.
THING IS THOUGH: When I plug it into my computer, it does the ba-dum sound, followed by a da-da-da right after.
Checked DM, apparently it's QHSUSB_LOAD now with an Error 28.
I read on other forums that apparently you have to have S-off to do even a normal update?
How come HTC didn't have it on their website?
It didn't say sh*t on installation windows either about having s-off.
Kinda like someone giving you cake and saying "Oh yeah lol, I **** in there"
Phone is bricked, no doubt, looking for a JTag around my town and Craigslist atm as well, but just wondering, is there anything else that it could be?
I'm 19 and I'm desperate to have my NoLifePartner One X back.
kthxgaiz<3
If you had never rooted the phone or unlocked the bootloader you can install an official update no problems.
The whole "must be s-off" thing is for people who have rooted, and therefore have SuperCID. If you have SuperCID and run an official update while s-on, it will brick.
So if you had never altered your device, you should have been ok. In saying that, these official updates have been known to brick stock phones from time to time.
So, if you had a stock phone and ran the correct update and it bricked your device, that should be covered by warranty I believe.
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QHSUSB_LOAD after running the 3.18 RUU means you are bricked.
As mentioned in the previous reply, S-off is not "supposed" to be a requirement for running the RUU. For some reason not completely understood, the 3.18 RUU (and folks also report for 3.17 RUU on some other carriers) and OTA will brick the phone if it is SuperCID and S-on. So S-off (or alternately changing back to the AT&T CID) is the workaround. This was not the case with previous RUUs (SuperCID and S-on was fine). In any case, if the phone was SuperCID, it was a user modification, and HTC is under no obligation to inform you that it can brick the phone.
If you didn't have SuperCID, than its possible the RUU just bricked the phone randomly. Its happened to a small minority of people. Anytime bootloader or radio is modified/updated, and things do go quite right, you stand a small chance of bricking the device. In this case, you should be covered under warranty if the phone is less than a year old.
What if I bought the phone used from a store in my city, and the 'void' stickers have already been altered..?
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What if I bought the phone used from a store in my city, and the 'void' stickers have already been altered..?
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Your screwed
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Youre screwed
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And not by a 5 ft 7 120 smoking sexy dirty blonde lookin for a rebound...
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Does the T-Mobile HTC One S always come S-Off or was I lucky on my trade today? I traded my mint Sony Xperia Play (AT&T) this morning for a HTC One S, also mint. I've traded, bought and sold to the guy before and I know he gets his devices new by special means and knows nothing about rooting, bootloaders or S-Off.
Anyways I got curious in snooping around the bootloader menu and to my surprise found it to be S-Off...
Was this luck or do all/most/many come this way?
...nobody knows??? Just curious...
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...nobody knows??? Just curious...
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Most come with S-ON, although some are sold S-off and Supercid (International use, I'm pretty sure)
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Most come with S-ON, although some are sold S-off and Supercid (International use, I'm pretty sure)
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Oh okay. I was surprised to find it S-Off when I got this thing. I couldn't believe my eyes. That will save me a load full of work, especially the part were some of the tools require a Linux OS instead of Windows. Now ofcourse Linux is a download and installation away, but my "temporary" (now permanent) laptop is so old it only packs 128mb of ram (max can ONLY reach 512mb) and any type of Linux installation just hangs and never installs no matter how many hours you leave it running.
Not to mention some of these devices require the "hotwire" trick, and every time i need something (such as a paper clip) it is nowhere to be found.
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htc wil never ever give you a s-off device for free.
you have several situations. here are a few.
1: the previous owner of the device,
A was so kind to leave the device s-off, sold it
B he wasnt able/willing to get the s-on back properly, sold it.
C he ****ed up the device, was able to get it running again, left it as is, sold it.
D...
when i sell my devices i always ask you gonna customize it, if yes i leave it s-off. if not full stock
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Most come with S-ON, although some are sold S-off and Supercid (International use, I'm pretty sure)
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all the devices come with s-on.
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htc wil never ever give you a s-off device for free.
you have several situations. here are a few.
1: the previous owner of the device,
A was so kind to leave the device s-off, sold it
B he wasnt able/willing to get the s-on back properly, sold it.
C he ****ed up the device, was able to get it running again, left it as is, sold it.
D...
when i sell my devices i always ask you gonna customize it, if yes i leave it s-off. if not full stock
all the devices come with s-on.
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Nah trust me his knowledge on rooting and so on is VERY LOW. It once took me nearly an hour to show him how to flash a rom on a device I sold him and in a day or two he already messed things up since the rom would wipe many key apps when given an old fashion factory reset. ANOTHER good hour wasted explaining to him the process over phone. If he were to buy these devices used already then sell them to me I would believe that perhaps that person did it instead of him. He gets them brand new in a store he works in, instead of commissions/bonuses for his many sales his boss lets him pick a free phone of his choice as long as its not 100% modern (e.g. a Nexus 5. wish I had that type of boss) in which he gets the opportunity to make more money off of that but remember, his boss doesn't have to pay cash, and he's basically stuck with selling it himself.
If he cant flash a simple rom, or even use a simple app to root a device, I doubt he will ever be able to S-Off an HTC. Also if he were younger (lol) I'd consider the possibility. I honestly believe that this thing may have mistakingly been left S-Off or something by the factory. Or maybe it served a purpose back at HTC.
Whatever the case, it was a big surprise to me.
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htc wil never ever give you a s-off device for free.
you have several situations. here are a few.
1: the previous owner of the device,
A was so kind to leave the device s-off, sold it
B he wasnt able/willing to get the s-on back properly, sold it.
C he ****ed up the device, was able to get it running again, left it as is, sold it.
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when i sell my devices i always ask you gonna customize it, if yes i leave it s-off. if not full stock
all the devices come with s-on.
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I would have to dig through old posts to find it, but I was talking to one guy who had just bought one from a store and they were S-off supercid. He said there were about 3-4 more there. Now this guy was from the middle east, I cannot remember which country he said.
I just assumed they had to sell them to that area that way so they could be used with their particular carrier.
I'll search and post it if I can find it.
Edit: found it, he was from Pakistan
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2483636
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I would have to dig through old posts to find it, but I was talking to one guy who had just bought one from a store and they were S-off supercid. He said there were about 3-4 more there. Now this guy was from the middle east, I cannot remember which country he said.
I just assumed they had to sell them to that area that way so they could be used with their particular carrier.
I'll search and post it if I can find it.
Edit: found it, he was from Pakistan
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2483636
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Hey now that you mention it I think thats the race his bosses are. But whats a supercid? Never heard of that before?
Nah definitely not as lucky to have a supercid. I assume CID = Carrier Identification seeing mine is T-Mobile related.
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