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Nvflash vs ROM Manager

what are the differences between the two and what are the disadvantages and advantages?
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moshe22 said:
what are the differences between the two and what are the disadvantages and advantages?
Thanks
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i think you mean nvflash vs. rom manager?

moshe22 said:
what are the differences between the two and what are the disadvantages and advantages?
Thanks
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With nvflash if your phone gets caught in a bootloop you will be able to boot into recovery and save it. If you just have clockwork intalled through RM your SOL.

crazythunder said:
i think you mean nvflash vs. rom manager?
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Yeah I meant rom manager
Just edited title.
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moshe22 said:
what are the differences between the two and what are the disadvantages and advantages?
Thanks
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NVFlash method truely replaces your old Recovery
Rom Manager method simply runs update.zip to simulate a custom recovery. The issue with the G2x is there is no true "stock recovery". Instead it simply reformats your phone. What this means, basically, is that the only way to get to this custom recovery is through the OS.
This doesn't mean that the Rom Manager method won't improve over time. I actually suspect it will. However, for now NVFlash is the only way to go.

MWBehr said:
NVFlash method truely replaces your old Recovery
Rom Manager method simply runs update.zip to simulate a custom recovery. The issue with the G2x is there is no true "stock recovery". Instead it simply reformats your phone. What this means, basically, is that the only way to get to this custom recovery is through the OS.
This doesn't mean that the Rom Manager method won't improve over time. I actually suspect it will. However, for now NVFlash is the only way to go.
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I actually got to what seemed like a stock recovery... it had blue font and said something like android recovery...
I got into it by deleting my rom manager cwm and then told it to boot into recovery
Not sure if it means anything tho... maybe it would make it easier to flash a custom recovery without nvflash?? don't think so tho.... I haven't use android since the mytouch 3g and we used to flash through fastboot right on the phone...looks like we can't do that anymore?
*** At least I think it was through fastboot ***

hypmatize said:
I actually got to what seemed like a stock recovery... it had blue font and said something like android recovery...
I got into it by deleting my rom manager cwm and then told it to boot into recovery
Not sure if it means anything tho... maybe it would make it easier to flash a custom recovery without nvflash?? don't think so tho.... I haven't use android since the mytouch 3g and we used to flash through fastboot right on the phone...looks like we can't do that anymore?
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Sorry, didn't entirely mean to say that there is no stock recovery. It's just that there's no hardware way (that anyone knows of) to access it. Then, since you can't access the stock recovery through hardware, you can't access the custom recovery through hardware either....at least I wasn't able to. Now that I have NVFlash, I can't really test any further either

So how would you reboot into recovery after using the NVflash method?

andonnguyen said:
So how would you reboot into recovery after using the NVflash method?
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nvflashing clockword mod remaps vol. down and power to cwm recovery

This is my first Android phone and while I am familiar with CWR thru my rooted Nook Color, this is the first I have heard of NVFlash Recovery. Is there a tutorial or (noob) guide?
Thanks in advance.

crazythunder said:
nvflashing clockword mod remaps vol. down and power to cwm recovery
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That same function gets you in to the factory recovery as well, when not rooted, its the first thing I tried when I got my G2x.. holding power and vol. down until the LG screen pops up then the little android with the box comes up.. from there i believe i either pushed vol. up or down.. I'm betting it was down.. and you get in to factory recovery. The only thing is when I exited the factory recovery, the phone did a factory reset on reboot.

Rom Manager & Mytouch 4G Slide

Okay, is anyone else having a hard time using Rom Manager using it's features due to the fact that the MT4GS is NOT listed as one of the models. I mean, how am I supposed to enter manual flash override if I can't even select MY phone model. What are WE supposed to do???
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we don't have an official recovery yet, so we have to use Modaco 4.0.0.9 for the time being..
WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT FLASH THE RECOVERY FOR ANOTHER PHONE..

That's a lil late however, I think I already did that, now I can't even enter recovery mode anymore, and when I power on while holding the volume button down. I get same message about trying to load and then it says no image. Even then if I try to press recovery I get stuck on the white t-mobile/HTC screen. Mt only option if to reboot. I'm st my wits end. Should I just Unroot and then just Root back again?
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YES flash the PD15IMG file and start over from scratch with revolutionary and then upgrade to modaco's 4.0.0.9 recovery. There is no support for the MT4GS in ROM Manager and it's not safe at all to flash anything that's designed for another phone unless you want problems! Good luck!

dmarco said:
That's a lil late however, I think I already did that, now I can't even enter recovery mode anymore, and when I power on while holding the volume button down. I get same message about trying to load and then it says no image. Even then if I try to press recovery I get stuck on the white t-mobile/HTC screen. Mt only option if to reboot. I'm st my wits end. Should I just Unroot and then just Root back again?
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There's probably an easier way. Download the modaco recovery zip, unzip it and grab the img file and rename it to recovery.img. Then reboot into the bootloader and use fastboot to flash the img. That should do the trick.

unclespoon said:
YES flash the PD15IMG file and start over from scratch with revolutionary and then upgrade to modaco's 4.0.0.9 recovery. There is no support for the MT4GS in ROM Manager and it's not safe at all to flash anything that's designed for another phone unless you want problems! Good luck!
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Just want to say thank you and I'm going to donate some coffee cash to you later. I followed your method of copying/transferring recovery image through terminal emulator on my phone and now it works PERFECTLY again. I think I accidentally flashed a different version of recovery for a different phone model through Rom Manager. So I learned my lesson. I also spoke with Koush yesterday and he assured me that a fix is on the way for the MT4GS, which is great to hear, otherwise, it's pretty much useless to us.
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Where on my SD card am I supposed to stick the "recovery.img" file so that FASTBOOT will see it? I am having no luck finding/loading the IMG file....
I got it figured out. NEVERMIND =)

1) Download MoDaCo's recovery to your computer.
2) Download the Fastboot binary for your computer.
3) I'm assuming you have ADB set up on your computer, so type in "adb shell reboot bootloader".
4) When your phone is in the bootloader, type in "fastboot flash recovery */path/to/recovery.img*" and then "fastboot reboot".
5) You should be able to boot into recovery now.

Thank You Sir. I had already figured it out. I felt so stupid when I did too... It happens though... I guess I should have read more.

Yea I did this by accident once, flashed the MT4G recovery through Rom Manager. I suggest just go ahead and dont install that app at all, you cant really do anything with it anyway since most of the options are unavailable unless you flash CWM recovery through the app. Also, if you are using Unity Rom, CWM reads your device as a HTC Sensation, so dont be fooled. Once you flash the 4009 originally you should be good, if you accidentally flash another phones recovery, none of your nandroids will work

Jaytex24 said:
Yea I did this by accident once, flashed the MT4G recovery through Rom Manager. I suggest just go ahead and dont install that app at all, you cant really do anything with it anyway since most of the options are unavailable unless you flash CWM recovery through the app. Also, if you are using Unity Rom, CWM reads your device as a HTC Sensation, so dont be fooled. Once you flash the 4009 originally you should be good, if you accidentally flash another phones recovery, none of your nandroids will work
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Yup, I learned that the hard way. Drove me nuts for 2 days til I finally figured out where I went wrong.lol Rom Manager is useless to us MT4GS owners for now
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Thats actually a horrible score. Your overclocked to 1.8ghz and only at 5000? My RubiX is at 4900 with no overclock. One of my testers got 6100 using unity 1a kernel clocked to 1.6ghz.
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The cwm issue

OK, so I installed the latest ROM manager after rooting my Xoom a few weeks ago and am not understanding what I need to do to have a good backup alternative. I was looking at
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1358524 but ROM manager doesn't allow backup to external SD card, flashing a different recovery, nor is there an option for 3.2.0. Any help for an app on my tablet similar to ROM manager would be greatly appreciated.
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rom manager isn't to great on the xoom, get that latest rogue recovery.

Or just flash solarn's CWM recovery version 3.2.0.0. R4c image file through fastboot and just forget about Rom Manager. It's more trouble than it's worth, IMHO. You can just download QuickBoot from the market if you want to boot into recovery easier, or use Tiamat boot options through the power button if you flash the Moray Rom.

okantomi said:
Or just flash solarn's CWM recovery version 3.2.0.0. R4c image file through fastboot and just forget about Rom Manager. It's more trouble than it's worth, IMHO. You can just download QuickBoot from the market if you want to boot into recovery easier, or use Tiamat boot options through the power button if you flash the Moray Rom.
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Yeah, I didn't even realize that after I flashed solarnz's image, that it was still there. I just powered on my xoom and tried entering recovery with vol buttons and saw the 3.2.0.0 R4c recovery and wanted to post back my oversight. You guys were too quick for me and have the same perfect solution here. Thanks for your patience everyone!
Cheers!
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izzabdullah said:
Yeah, I didn't even realize that after I flashed solarnz's image, that it was still there. I just powered on my xoom and tried entering recovery with vol buttons and saw the 3.2.0.0 R4c recovery and wanted to post back my oversight. You guys were too quick for me and have the same perfect solution here. Thanks for your patience everyone!
Cheers!
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Glad you got it!

[Q] download mode not working...

I tried searching, but the search is down?
I have spent several hours looking.
I used odin (phone went into download mode without issue) to put my phone back to stock so I could get the ota update.
Went back into download mode with Odin to install CWM, this "passed" and after a restart my phone went into samsung recovery, not CWM.
Now my phone will not go into download mode? I tried different cable, ports, etc.
any help?

so what is it doing since it's not going into download mode.

it wouldn't do anything, I finally reinstalled the drivers and after holding down the power and volume - let go... nothing! push the volume - twice and it went into download mode. Odin recognizes it and goes through the motion, but the phone has a AX_timeout in red at the top left corner of the screen?
Odin continues and say's passed, but when I try to reboot into CWM it hangs on the samsung logo.
It will not boot into recovery, but it will start the phone and everything seems to work.
im using odin 1.83 / windows 7 64bit.

Remove the battery, put the phone in download mode, put the battery back in, and flash CWM. Before you fully boot the OS, flash a custom kernel. If you don't flash a custom kernel, the default kernel will overwrite CWM with the default recovery.

Morrisme said:
it wouldn't do anything, I finally reinstalled the drivers and after holding down the power and volume - let go... nothing! push the volume - twice and it went into download mode. Odin recognizes it and goes through the motion, but the phone has a AX_timeout in red at the top left corner of the screen?
Odin continues and say's passed, but when I try to reboot into CWM it hangs on the samsung logo.
It will not boot into recovery, but it will start the phone and everything seems to work.
im using odin 1.83 / windows 7 64bit.
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I would try using odin v1.82... My experience with this tool has told me that our charge doesnt always "play nice" with other versions... Also try redownloading the latest CWM, you could of had a bad download.
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Cilraaz said:
Remove the battery, put the phone in download mode, put the battery back in, and flash CWM. Before you fully boot the OS, flash a custom kernel. If you don't flash a custom kernel, the default kernel will overwrite CWM with the default recovery.
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Also in my experience I have had CWM recovery with the stock kernel... So something seems funny, stock kernel must not always overwrite custom cwm... Hmmmm. Who can help us here....????
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stebomurkn420 said:
Also in my experience I have had CWM recovery with the stock kernel... So something seems funny, stock kernel must not always overwrite custom cwm... Hmmmm. Who can help us here....????
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If you happen to flash a ROM that doesn't include the script that the kernel calls for the overwrite, then you could have ended up with CWM on a stock kernel.

stebomurkn420 said:
Also in my experience I have had CWM recovery with the stock kernel... So something seems funny, stock kernel must not always overwrite custom cwm... Hmmmm. Who can help us here....????
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There's a script, can't remember where it's at, that is run at boot to replace the recovery. If that script is not there, it doesn't get replaced. All custom roms have it removed.

shrike1978 said:
There's a script, can't remember where it's at, that is run at boot to replace the recovery. If that script is not there, it doesn't get replaced. All custom roms have it removed.
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/system/etc/install-recovery.sh

Hmmm... So your saying there basically wasnt a way for me to have cwm with stock rom/kernel with root... I could have swore I had that setup at some point...
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stebomurkn420 said:
Hmmm... So your saying there basically wasnt a way for me to have cwm with stock rom/kernel with root... I could have swore I had that setup at some point...
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There is, root, boot up, delete the script power off, re root and you're good
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stebomurkn420 said:
Hmmm... So your saying there basically wasnt a way for me to have cwm with stock rom/kernel with root... I could have swore I had that setup at some point...
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There is. You can download the Superuser CWM to your phone, flash CWM, boot immediately to CWM (don't let it boot normally), flash Superuser, and reboot.
At that point, if you desire, you can delete /system/etc/install-recovery.sh and reflash CWM if you want to keep it.

shrike1978 said:
There is. You can download the Superuser CWM to your phone, flash CWM, boot immediately to CWM (don't let it boot normally), flash Superuser, and reboot.
At that point, if you desire, you can delete /system/etc/install-recovery.sh and reflash CWM if you want to keep it.
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You think this would work on the nexus... Seems its kind of a universal method...?
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Clockworkmod not working? Help

OK I got a new G2X after the charger port in my old one from T-mobile. I root it with superclick one then download clockwork from the marketplace. I try to boot into recovery and then the phone hangs. When he does not hang it says install of update fails and wont let me flash my rom. Did clock work change or am I doing doing something wrong?

Milestailsprowe said:
OK I got a new G2X after the charger port in my old one from T-mobile. I root it with superclick one then download clockwork from the marketplace. I try to boot into recovery and then the phone hangs. When he does not hang it says install of update fails and wont let me flash my rom. Did clock work change or am I doing doing something wrong?
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That one from the market is a no go for this phone. That recovery (I assume via ROM Manager) simply not gonna stick.
Go to this thread and flash the recovery using Nvflash:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1056847
This question should go to the G2X Q&A section, though.
Good luck!
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DupleX01 said:
That one from the market is a no go for this phone. That recovery (I assume via ROM Manager) simply not gonna stick.
Go to this thread and flash the recovery using Nvflash:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1056847
This question should go to the G2X Q&A section, though.
Good luck!
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Thanks alot

Aren't both Clockworkmod and ROM Manager abandonware?

EEngineer said:
Aren't both Clockworkmod and ROM Manager abandonware?
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Abandonware??? What gives you that idea??
In the play store ROM Manager was updated the 16th of this month, and if CWM was also abandonware then no newer devices would have been getting CWM on it.
Is that a legit question or are you trolling? I find it hard to believe someone would be calling it that.

Milestailsprowe said:
OK I got a new G2X after the charger port in my old one from T-mobile. I root it with superclick one then download clockwork from the marketplace. I try to boot into recovery and then the phone hangs. When he does not hang it says install of update fails and wont let me flash my rom. Did clock work change or am I doing doing something wrong?
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First, the best way to get CMW of any version is by using the NV Flash ( Search that up ). Then you can boot into recovery by pushing the power button (the one on top), and the volume down button ( Its on the right side). It should boot into recovery perfectly after you do this. Tell us if it works!

thor6577 said:
First, the best way to get CMW of any version is by using the NV Flash ( Search that up ). Then you can boot into recovery by pushing the power button (the one on top), and the volume down button ( Its on the right side). It should boot into recovery perfectly after you do this. Tell us if it works!
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Agree, Best way to flash recovery is Thru NV flash. Its a little complicated but ones you get the hang of it, its easy than you though
ROM manger can flash recovery but not always does a full flash, so best way is NVflash.

chipis said:
Agree, Best way to flash recovery is Thru NV flash. Its a little complicated but ones you get the hang of it, its easy than you though
ROM manger can flash recovery but not always does a full flash, so best way is NVflash.
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ROM manager CAN'T flash recovery. ONLY use nvflash.