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I recently found OnLive, a cloud based gaming app that is on multiple platforms, including android. At the moment, they have titles such as Assasins Creed II and Brotherhood, SplinterCell Conviction, Homefront, and many others. Their volume isnt as big as Valve's Steam, but it has been recognized by the Steam community.
Some basic pros:
-No need to download your games, their on the cloud.
-Their game selection is expanding.
-You can play a demo before you buy.
-No fee for having an account, but there is one for a membership.
-Analogs are compatible on the PLAY.
Some cons:
-You cant play offline.
-You have too keep up with your bills to play.
-No mods in games.
-Less variety of games compared to steam (which doesnt support android).
-Games are about retail price moat of the time.
- A lot of data is used streaming your game.
when i last used used it, it was very slow and lagging all the time on my wifi broadband (30Mb)
I've no problems with it. I've only 2,5 meg broadband. Sometimes it's pixelised a little but work like a charm.
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What? OnLive is out for like 6 months, XDA members went over it. Yes, it's as good as it was before.
It never connects on my wifi broadband (10mb)
It work's great for me. I only do the demos because the majority of the games I own on Xbox and I can't afford to pay twice for a game. I use it for a cool factor to show console games on a phone that no one has heard of at the parties I throw.
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CapNM77 said:
It work's great for me. I only do the demos because the majority of the games I own on Xbox and I can't afford to pay twice for a game. I use it for a cool factor to show console games on a phone that no one has heard of at the parties I throw.
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I love using onlive, one because its all cloud gaming...so I can play most of my games on my pc and then if I'm going somewhere and it has wifi (I rarely use my data *only 2 gb.a month*) then I can continue where I left off....or if I'm planning iny from.my pc to my laptop.
The only thing I dislike about the Play and onlive is the lack of L3 and R3 physical buttons OR touch screen buttons, and for most of my games, like Dues ex and AvP, it gets hard to play....but the play is Awesome for.Assassins creed games, (I've got 2 and brotherhood) and orcs must die....I think the only mistake I've made is buying dawn of war 2 when i first found onlive 3 months ago...
But the advantage is that you can always find other players for multiplayer games ( Homefront ftw, even though I don't have it, I'm.waiting for somekind of sale where it will be at or below $10....which is when I have bought my games lol)
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It drove me to buy the OnLive console(which kicks ass), but on Xperia Play I'd always thought it suffered from input lag.
Recently upgraded our router to something newer/more oriented towards gaming and now the input lag is drastically decreased; it's actually quite practical now! What I also like is that I don't always have to be confined to WiFi. In places where I have a good HSPA+ connection, I can play without being bound to a router! It's no replacement for having games that can be played without an active internet connection, but being able to play full-blown Assassin's Creed games and the REAL Street Fighter IV:AE make this quite a winner for me.
My one persisting qualm is the L2/L3/R2/R3. There is absolutely no L3/R3 whatsoever, and L2/R2 takes over the volume buttons. What they really need to do is just have L2/L3/R2/R3 as virtual touch buttons near the bottom of the screen.
If you get it, check out a lesser-known game called A.R.E.S.: Extinction Agenda. Amazing game!
Damned .on my country,to hard connected to onlive . . .really damn
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It drove me to buy the OnLive console(which kicks ass), but on Xperia Play I'd always thought it suffered from input lag.
Recently upgraded our router to something newer/more oriented towards gaming and now the input lag is drastically decreased; it's actually quite practical now! What I also like is that I don't always have to be confined to WiFi. In places where I have a good HSPA+ connection, I can play without being bound to a router! It's no replacement for having games that can be played without an active internet connection, but being able to play full-blown Assassin's Creed games and the REAL Street Fighter IV:AE make this quite a winner for me.
My one persisting qualm is the L2/L3/R2/R3. There is absolutely no L3/R3 whatsoever, and L2/R2 takes over the volume buttons. What they really need to do is just have L2/L3/R2/R3 as virtual touch buttons near the bottom of the screen.
If you get it, check out a lesser-known game called A.R.E.S.: Extinction Agenda. Amazing game!
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Yeah, I agree with you on the R and L 3 buttons. I wish for some games though that we had the ability to flip the l2 l, r2, and the l1and r1 buttons/triggers around.....I sent onlive an email about that at the end of march and they said they would look into it.
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It works really great for me. But i'm not able to buy anything. It says that it's not available in my country, but demos works really well.
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Works great for me.
BUT:
- A lot of games are too dark.
- A lot of games are unsuitable for the Play's buttons. ie. they need more.
- A lot of games don't suit a small screen. For example, the ball in Virtua Tennis is tiny & moves too fast for small, handheld gaming.
The controls suck basically, mainly because of the lack of l2, r2, l3, r3. The touchpads are also quite crap for these games :/
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The controls suck basically, mainly because of the lack of l2, r2, l3, r3. The touchpads are also quite crap for these games :/
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Only thing the app lacks on the play is l3 and r3...the l2 and r2 are.mapped to the volume up and down respectively...and the touchpads are meant ad analog sticks heh..imo, the assassins creed titles are.the best suited for the play.
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Only thing the app lacks on the play is l3 and r3...the l2 and r2 are.mapped to the volume up and down respectively...and the touchpads are meant ad analog sticks heh..imo, the assassins creed titles are.the best suited for the play.
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from the preview I saw, it definitely beats gamelofts 2.5d ds-ish port. Yes, I bought a console hit for my former DS, and regretted it again after getting CoD4, so horrible.
So the general theme is thatyou have to have fairly good Wi-Fi to enjoy w/o lag. Also, is it true that OnLive's servers go down from time to time, I've heard things like this on other forums and want to confirm whether or not it is common. I want to try i .t, but I want to know that it is convenient before I attach my identity to anything else and forget.
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So the general theme is thatyou have to have fairly good Wi-Fi to enjoy w/o lag. Also, is it true that OnLive's servers go down from time to time, I've heard things like this on other forums and want to confirm whether or not it is common. I want to try i .t, but I want to know that it is convenient before I attach my identity to anything else and forget.
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I've only ever disconnected from onlive when my internet has effed up....you have to have a marginally good wifi to have it look good, but onlive normally tells you first if you have connection issues. And you can.use aCC or DC to buy a game and then delete the card off your account, so nothing is permanent.
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OnLive : input lag
Persistent Input Lag
*my internet speed is 105mpbs/10mpbs
*have tried 3 wireless N routers (no channels overlapping)
-playing Street Fighter is grueling
-playing Batman is ok.
=I really wish it worked without the lag.
{EDIT} as a top edit I'd like to remind people that your connection no matter how fast will still create input lag in your games. That's a server issue cause by how the data / input is sent and received. If you want more info on it, check into NVIDIA and GAI KAI. Gai Kai has better visuals but the frame rate for some reason takes a dive...
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I've used the system since August, and I'm a happy customer!
At first the visuals were very muddy looking (arkham city looked really bad) but after the following update the devs must have changed something because the colors are more vibrant.
The control lag is passable, even when playing some pretty intense games. I have split second on there (and the play pack) and I've gotten numerous 1st place trophies once I got used to the latency. It's not bad at all it's just not perfect because it's not 1:1 (it's really close though).
When I got it in august of last year I thought to myself "boy I wish this had xperia play support" and what to my surprise not a week later I didn't have to use the game keyboard lol
Here's my pros and cons in a TLR
PRO's
-you're playing PC-quality games on your phone
-full Xperia Play optimized (even the volume buttons count as the shoulder buttons though it is a little awkward)
-hundreds of games to choose from and recent ones
-the price point of some games is astounding. I got a few games for only $2 you just need to look at sales frequently.
-graphics have improved dramatically since I've used the service
-the lag in controls is passable (more in CON's)
-you can view other people playing the game and there's a FREE 30 min trial with almost every game
-did I mention it's PC games on your phone?
CON's
-you can't play any 2k games on the phone right now (no bioshock, borderlands)
-the lag in FPS's is tough. Even games like splinter cell where you have to aim your gun in a tight spot it's tricky. Possible but it's a pain when it's not 1:1. I couldn't even play FEAR 2 or 3 it was death up the butt
-battery drain LOL
right there's really not many bad things about it. However the release date for the games varies though Batman: AC came out pretty soon after it's actual release.
Also Wifi and LTE are preferred and I didn't put it as a con because for me I can play on 3G as well. It's fast enough in my area, I'd use speed test to see if it is fast in your area. If you're speed test can consistently hold around 150+ KBps then you're golden.
Borderlands is on onlive lol...
The assassin's creed games are perfect for the play. Only con I have is lack of l3 and r3 buttons, even on the screen would be fine.
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I am curios to know if streaming over the internet is possible. I think the speed would be too slow to use.
chevyowner said:
I am curios to know if streaming over the internet is possible. I think the speed would be too slow to use.
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they have shown it possible using nvidia grid, however currently it won't be possible using the shields built in streaming apps/tech. thats LAN only. i believe they want the message out there tho that it can do it should they allow it, so to speak.
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they have shown it possible using nvidia grid, however currently it won't be possible using the shields built in streaming apps/tech. thats LAN only. i believe they want the message out there tho that it can do it should they allow it, so to speak.
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Also, keep in mind that NVIDIA GRID servers would be located on dedicated high-speed networks with very high uplink bandwidth. Most consumer internet access have capped upload speeds which are far below the download speed. For instance, 15Mbps download likely has 1.5Mbps upload. So for you to watch Netflix on SuperHD quality, the expected bandwidth requirement is 6Mbps. You could easily stream 2 HD movies over the same 15Mbps internet connection. But if you were to server it to someone else, you'd be 4x too slow. These games are streaming high quality game video, not some over-compressed artifact-laden mess. So while I'm sure there are ways around the LAN requirement, realize the bandwidth requirement of your uplink.
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Also, keep in mind that NVIDIA GRID servers would be located on dedicated high-speed networks with very high uplink bandwidth. Most consumer internet access have capped upload speeds which are far below the download speed. For instance, 15Mbps download likely has 1.5Mbps upload. So for you to watch Netflix on SuperHD quality, the expected bandwidth requirement is 6Mbps. You could easily stream 2 HD movies over the same 15Mbps internet connection. But if you were to server it to someone else, you'd be 4x too slow. These games are streaming high quality game video, not some over-compressed artifact-laden mess. So while I'm sure there are ways around the LAN requirement, realize the bandwidth requirement of your uplink.
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if only we all had google fiber.
glitchhawk said:
if only we all had google fiber.
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Google fiber is seriously making me want to move to Provo.
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I am curios to know if streaming over the internet is possible. I think the speed would be too slow to use.
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TESTED. SPLASHTOP 2 does support controller, (a few tweaks) and as long as I play games in "Windowed" for games that are not Splashtop stream supported. I can play over internet connection. I HAVE TESTED THIS with Crysis 2 in windowed mode at changing settings to 720. THIS IS 3rd party system not optimized like the Shield streaming and Nvidia Grid is. It works better if you are on the same provider, and have at the capability of a 4meg upload on both sides. best if you have like a 25/4. I have tried it over 4G LTE, it works but not great. So it is possible, but because you are pinging though remote server before you get to your PC, ping is higher than 200ms, most of the time closer to 250ms. that is tested on Charter Communications 30/4 with ping test at 20ms or lower. I am a senior tech with them and understanding the WWW infrastructure, server based streaming is still going to be far more viable. but as a test experiment, remote desktop streaming through splashtop in windowed mode does work... a bit laggy, but possible.
Based on the relationship Nvidia is building with Steam, and their Grid technology, it would not surprise me if we see very soon Steam offering a streaming over the internet service.
You would probably have to setup a VPN and connect to that at the moment
Was wondering the same thing too ... we have the NBN in Australia and it is 100Mbs down and 30Mbs up ... so think it could cope with it
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You would probably have to setup a VPN and connect to that at the moment
Was wondering the same thing too ... we have the NBN in Australia and it is 100Mbs down and 30Mbs up ... so think it could cope with it
Kris
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Someone has already done it in another thread... There's a guide on setting up VPN now for SHIELD.
Is that on the Nvidia site then? I've been searching xda...
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Is that on the Nvidia site then? I've been searching xda...
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No it is on XDA Under Nvidia Shield > Shield General > [GUIDE] How to setup VPN for game streaming
here is a link
I plan on using openvpn when i get around to it.
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Is that on the Nvidia site then? I've been searching xda...
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https://forums.geforce.com/default/...connect-your-shield-to-vpn-for-remote-gaming/
One of the main reason I bought the shield tablet is to use Nvidia Grid. But I just realized there's already OnLive which has a lot more titles I can play. I can't discern the difference in quality and latency between the 2 either. Is there any reason I should still play on the Grid besides the fact that it's currently free? Which do you guys prefer?
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I played Grid some and it was nice, haven't heard of Onlive before so now I will go check out what that is.
Grid is so much better in quality play ...way too much lag on onlive for me
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Grid is so much better in quality play ...way too much lag on onlive for me
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+1 i tried both, and Grid is much better in all ways
Thanks guys. I'm hoping when grid goes out of beta it won't cost too much.
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Finally get to use my tablet shield controller and been playing onlive instead of grid. Been able to make better comparison today.
Interestingly onlive is also powered by nvidia and it seems more forgiving when my Internet speed is slow while the Grid doesn't wanna connect and when it does there's a lot of buffering and pausing and makes the games unplayable. Maybe server issue? Onlive doesn't buffer as much and is playable. Onlive seems to have come a long way. And as usual I can't tell the difference with the quality of graphics. Both are awesome IMO when I have great connection. My vote goes to onlive.
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Finally get to use my tablet shield controller and been playing onlive instead of grid. Been able to make better comparison today.
Interestingly onlive is also powered by nvidia and it seems more forgiving when my Internet speed is slow while the Grid doesn't wanna connect and when it does there's a lot of buffering and pausing and makes the games unplayable. Maybe server issue? Onlive doesn't buffer as much and is playable. Onlive seems to have come a long way. And as usual I can't tell the difference with the quality of graphics. Both are awesome IMO when I have great connection. My vote goes to onlive.
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Hey aznmode,
What country are you in? Thinking about getting a Shield Tablet and using OnLive to stream games as I'm in the UK and Grid servers are only in West Coast USA currently. I have an OnLive account and it works pretty well over here
Thanks
Steve
I'm in the US. San Jose, California in fact. So I'm very close to the Grid servers.
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I just posted about my issue with GRID here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/shield-tablet/help/grid-slow-to-optimize-router-t2875447
In essence, I got great network connection, close to GRID server and no issue with router. GRID network testing feature show I got "Excellent Network", with >8 Mbps speed, 0% frame loss and 3 ms jitter. GRID is 3fps... unplayable. Onlive is FAST...30fps.
I just got my Shield today, so I don't know if there is issue with the GRID server, but it's unplayable for me. See details in the link above.
I can play Onlive from Spain, that's a good reason to say it is better and more powerful than Grid, nowadays.
Thinking about purchasing a z3 so I need to know if I will be able to use this feature...
I have a 10mb(1Mb actual download speed) adsl line. Will this be sufficient?
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Xperiafanboy123 said:
Thinking about purchasing a z3 so I need to know if I will be able to use this feature...
I have a 10mb(1Mb actual download speed) adsl line. Will this be sufficient?
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i have a 5mb connection and i cannot play call of duty as its too laggy, the game play is smooth but when i turn on my tv my input from the controller is 1 second faster on the tv compared to the image displayed on the Z3, on call of duty this makes the biggest of differences, i doubt you will have any lucky with 1mb. I would say 20mbs + is probably when you will play it perfectly.
802.11n over 2.4Ghz is too laggy at my house, I have to connect to our 5Ghz network. Could just be interference though.
I have 30mb but connection speed is not what matters.
I think it works perfectly on some games but others it lags a lot.
For example Watchdogs works perfectly had no input lag at all. Even when settings were on high.
But when I tried towerfall accesion the input lag was noticible. It was very hard to play properly.And this is just a small indie game.
Sony really advertised it way too much on the z3 which made me think it'll be better than this. Instead they should've saved this feature for a future gaming phone like the Xperia play 2 and only released it when it was working properly.
Slightly Dissapoointed here but the Xperia z3 is one beast of a phone so its all good.
Hey guys, I am thinking about getting one of these tablets, but I have a couple of questions.
1) If I buy the 32GB LTE one, do I need to force it to be on a phone plan? (WiFi only?)
2) Since my computer is not a GeForce rig, can I use Splashtop Gaming THD to stream games w/o any lag?
So those are my questions, hope you can answer them.
You can probably just turn off the radio by putting your tablet into permanent airplane mode. I've never heard anyone complain using that method.
Gaming over wireless is iffy. Read reviews, there are probably a lot of new people disappointed with the performance of the Splashtop gaming app, moreso if it's going to be the killer app for getting the tablet.
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Let's say I just got my tablet and turn it on, does the setup require you for a phone plan?
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I can answer the second question. Yes, you can use Splashtop Gaming THD. I will point out more alternatives though.
Take note that none of them are powerful as Nvidia's. You need a great internet connection and a router that works on 5 ghz (In my country, Chile, for ex., very hard)
Three alternatives are:
1- Kainy (free version with ads; demo version: paid version)
2- Splashtop 2 (more of a desktop remote app than made for gaming) (free)
3- Kino Console (free)
Ive somewhat used Kino Console, for a couple of minutes, and it seems the most solid alternative.
I'd suggest you try them on another Android device first.
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Let's say I just got my tablet and turn it on, does the setup require you for a phone plan?
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Let me be specific. You do not need a phone or data plan to use your Nvidia Shield 32gb LTE.
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Thanks for the info! Definitely gonna get one of these.
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