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4G not implimented yet!!?? plus more

ok i havent seen a post for this so here we go..
if you use adw launcher and custom make an icon attached to the hidden menu apk you can access the test and servicing menus like other phones BUT... if you go into test settings for phone (play around its in there) there is a menu the shows hspda (3g, hspda+ being 4g) and many other functions that are advertised on the phone that are all listed as NOT IMPLIMENTED YET!!
so as far as i can tell 4g is NOT active on tmobile at all yet. not until the software is upgraded (gingerbread i am assuming). so it would make sense why the signal on the phone is screwed up and dropping (confused phone maybe?) and why im still getting 3g speeds (slightly faster maybe from better signal reception due to upgraded hardware from my previous Vibrant).
go take a look for yourself and let me know what you think. im sure you can use desktop visualizer to get to the menu to. DONT MESS WITH ANYTHING THOUGH. i had to reset my phone and not with a hard reset, but a recovery i found on a nvflash website. almost bricked it. so just look but don't touch anything important unless you know what your doing.
im looking forward to hearing what everything thinks of this and the giant list of other features also saying this in the same menu. because i feel mislead just a little bit.....

I think it's just that the functions in the hidden menu aren't implemented yet.

Hmmm, interesting find! Maybe this explains the problems I'm having maintaining a stable 2g only connection as well

Dolphinwigs said:
ok i havent seen a post for this so here we go..
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There's a reason for that...
so as far as i can tell 4g is NOT active on tmobile at all yet. not until the software is upgraded (gingerbread i am assuming)
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I've got a hot 4g connection where I am (west Texas), you don't get 4.9-5.6mb (Speedtest) download on 3g. Did you check the T-Mobile coverage map to see if you have it in your area yet?
Edit: you also may need a new sim card. Depending on the age of the card, you might not be able to get a stable lock on to 4g (age as in what generation it was produced.. not how long you've had it)

thats possible, but im getting 3g speeds still as far as i can tell and i don't see why it wouldnt be included in the "hidden menu" if it is working since we aren't "really" supposed to know about the hidden menu. anyways just something i noticed.
menu is Hidden Menu->modem settings is where the menu is at.
and i got a new sim card (tired 2 new ones both the same) and yes i am in salt lake city and it is a 4g area for tmobile. but seems like everyone (mostly) is getting signal drops all over the place. my 2g isn't working as consistantly as it did before on my vibrant either. im sure gingerbread will fix all of this though.

I'm getting 4-8mps down in Metro Atlanta. I say 4G speed is on.

jdkackley said:
Hmmm, interesting find! Maybe this explains the problems I'm having maintaining a stable 2g only connection as well
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I'm having the same problem, and I've even got a 2G booster in my house. My 2G connection drops all the time on my G2X but not my Vibrant. When I look at the signal strength when it's up it's not much different than the Vibrant, -104dBm on the G2X vs -100 dBm on the Vibrant

Im at a consistent 6-9mb dl at my house with a 1mb+ ul. Im calling it 4g and have you tried your conn outside of your city to see if its just congestion on the network?

I'm also getting 4-8mbps speeds in Atlanta, 4g is definitely working.

I'm in vegas, every hour, I get only 10 or 20mn of 4g at 6Mb download speed, the rest of the time I'm on 2g. At night time,i get 4g most of the time. So I guess in the day time, they kick me back to 2g to save their bandwitch, I'm returning my phone to let them know this is not acceptable
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My phone SAYS 4G all the time in Charlotte NC but I have only been getting 1mb DL and about 1.5 upload. The weird thing is that browsing the web is lightening fast compared to the vibrant. I would say it loads pages twice as fast.

jrharvey said:
My phone SAYS 4G all the time in Charlotte NC but I have only been getting 1mb DL and about 1.5 upload. The weird thing is that browsing the web is lightening fast compared to the vibrant. I would say it loads pages twice as fast.
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Not sure but this may have as much to do with the processor and RAM speed as the connection speed.

I get crap speeds compared to the Nexus S, and that phone doesn't support full hspa+

jlevy73 said:
I get crap speeds compared to the Nexus S, and that phone doesn't support full hspa+
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I am not complaining about my speeds which are plenty good IMO, averaging around 3-3.5 mbps. However, I have been surprised that they are no better than my Nexus One was that also didn't support HSPA+.

A few things, before we get too heavy handed on the FUD:
The phone is technically '4G' compatible, and it supports it out of the box.
Most of T-Mo's towers have been upgraded to support their 4G (HSPA+)
Regular HSPA caps out at about 3.5Mbps down. I've gotten as much as 7Mbps down on my G2x
Personally, I haven't had many issues with signal, but I live in Houston, so that may have something to do with it.

4g is on in Huntington Beach, and irvine.
I did notice its not a huge difference speed wise though. I had the moto cliq 3g and i would get 1mbs ish to 5mbs DL, and with the G2x im averaging about 3mbs to 7mbs. not a huge difference but the big change is Latency. I used to rock 700ms to 1000ms on 3g with my cliq, im getting around 55ms to 150ms on my G2x.
Latency is key for me though, i would prefer lower latency than higher download speeds. Due to the fact I need to vpn and voip with company network.
I found that t mobiles 3g network is still very capable in speed. the main issue i had was my cliq was underpowered to handle the t mobiles network. when i would tether my rooted nook color it would perform like a champ.

jimbo831 said:
I am not complaining about my speeds which are plenty good IMO, averaging around 3-3.5 mbps. However, I have been surprised that they are no better than my Nexus One was that also didn't support HSPA+.
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Where do you live? Is it possible T-Mo may not support HSPA+ in your area?
It's also important to note that even if the towers you're connected to support HSPA+, that's only one part of the process. They also have to upgrade the data connection to the tower itself (backhaul) to ensure it can handle the speeds. If you're connected to an HSPA+ tower that doesn't have the upgraded backhaul, that could explain slow speeds.

No.
HSPA+ ("4G") is on and working. You're just not in an HSPA+ area it seems.
We're all getting faster than HSPA speeds, so we are certainly on HSPA+. Speedtests are the best way for you to verify if you are on EDGE (2G), HSPA (3G), or HSPA+ (4G).

I would like a 3g icon just top know what type of tower I'm on, I think the baseband is wack, I bet when gingerbread comes out we will get the separate icons... Also my vibrant would get steady 5-6mb down 2mb up, but with this phone its anything but steady, I can get up to 8mb down but its crazy random, regular use is sometimes slow initializing, and someones websites timeout.... I think a baseband upgrade will fix all this stuff tho, or software upgrades.
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pychobj2001 said:
I would like a 3g icon just top know what type of tower I'm on, I think the baseband is wack, I bet when gingerbread comes out we will get the separate icons... Also my vibrant would get steady 5-6mb down 2mb up, but with this phone its anything but steady, I can get up to 8mb down but its crazy random, regular use is sometimes slow initializing, and someones websites timeout.... I think a baseband upgrade will fix all this stuff tho, or software upgrades.
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That's the thing though. The way T-Mo has their network setup, if you can get 3G from a tower, you should be able to get 4G. Period. You may not get 4G speeds, but you're technically connected to an HSPA+ tower, and thus the 4G icon. It'd be weird to connect a tower that supports HSPA at this point, but not HSPA+ (though I'm sure there are some out there)

T-Mobile Announces Launch Of HSPA+ 42Mbps

http://www.tmonews.com/2011/05/t-mobile-announces-launch-of-hspa-42mbps-in-50-markets-rocket-3-0-available-may-25th/
With the recent news of TMO launching HSPA+ 42Mbps, wondering if anyone has noticed any sort of speed increase? Where I normally get about 1-2Mbps (at work), I'm hitting 4 1/2Mbps.
I did modify my build.prop to
ro.ril.hsdpa.category = 24
ro.ril.hsxpa = 2
Dont know if changing this made any difference

What the crap no Philadelphia? Philly was the first to have hspa+. This sux
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I don't know what some people do to get these crazy mbps speeds I sometimes see posted...I live in NYC, one of the first markets to get the 42mb bump - but I've never seen my data go above the 3 mbps range...fast enough to be functional, but I'd love to know what setup people are on to get these crazy speeds.

They already been testing HSPA+ Rv2 (42mbps link) in few areas but since we have 14.4mb cap on our device and IRL half of that speed you will see if your lucky in a good day.
Far as your setting goes in build.prop:
ro.ril.hsdpa.category = 24 <<< 42.2 Mbit/s
ro.ril.hsxpa=2 <<< HSDPA/HSUPA
Make sure you test it using all the radio as its area dependent. So based on your location you may see better signal (dBm+asu) than other locations and other users. But if you got around 4mbps its normal HSPA+ post speed on Rv1 (21mbps link). Even with Rv2 link you won't get speed increase as it can be just background overhaul. What you can however do is connect via WCDMA which would give you 0.3+% faster upload.
PS: Sup epsix.

Can the cap on our phones be removed or is our hardware incompatible?

I've hit more than 10mbps multiple times. That's in Vancouver Washington too.
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TopazUser1 said:
Can the cap on our phones be removed or is our hardware incompatible?
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I would also like to know this.
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TopazUser1 said:
Can the cap on our phones be removed or is our hardware incompatible?
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with in the build.prop lies a coding that will allow us to increase our data speeds but it will not do much. maybe .03% - .06% growth in speeds. It's hardware restricted. also it has alot to do with Bandwidth being using at the time, and that location. If i'm out at the Hofbrauhaus i can get wicked fast download speed from about 1am - 2am, but during the day it's easily a 1/3 of what i see at night.

TopazUser1 said:
Can the cap on our phones be removed or is our hardware incompatible?
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Hardware standard. Hence the POS SamSUX Vibrant 4G? aka same Vibrant sold as "21mbps" but you will see no diff this is due to the current traffic and provision rate which is placed on each acc. Normally this is done though RAN, RADIUS, ect based profile.
neidlinger said:
with in the build.prop lies a coding that will allow us to increase our data speeds but it will not do much. maybe .03% - .06% growth in speeds. It's hardware restricted. also it has alot to do with Bandwidth being using at the time, and that location. If i'm out at the Hofbrauhaus i can get wicked fast download speed from about 1am - 2am, but during the day it's easily a 1/3 of what i see at night.
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Correct. RadioROM, location, time, network load all plays in to it.

Its a good upgrade. With hspa+ 21 you can see 10mbps peak on a mt4g, averaging about 5-6. With 42, you can get 10 on average, peaking at 12.

I'm in midtown Manhattan at work, have 4 bars on H, and have gotten less than 1 mbps 3 speedtests in a row...a couple hours ago I got in the 2mbps range. It is the middle of the day, so I'm sure the network is clogged, but that is nowhere near 21 mbps, let alone 4-5.
As was said, I guess it really varies a lot throughout the day based on time, location, other factors etc.

I am in the middle of Chandler AZ with about 4-5 bars of H and I barely get over 2.5M down & 0.5M up... Running Virtuous Fusion ROM 1.0.5 and Radio 26.09.04.26... not seeing a great improvement yet...

Let me be clear so people can understand. Our MT4G has 14.4mbps hardware limit which you can't change by editing or even updating the radio framework. Now they can drop 100mbps links as it won't still matter. When they talk about revision link speed they mean for the towers as for overall thus network capacity is increased and more user is supported without crawling bandwidth bottleneck.
Now they have QoS based policies setup on the network to handle it along with standard user radius/ran profile which will simple if they wanted you would be set to 16kbps(2kB[8kbps=1kB]) since we using SI prefix. On top of that time/location/interference also plays factor.
Think of the pipe as the road. The car as the device and the jam is network overhaul capacity. Now it don't matter if you have the fastest car in the world if the road is small thus closing and slowing down the traffic to halt and causing jam. In sense you have to understand the network topology to move it accordingly. So making the road bigger (pipe revision layout exp: 42mbps) they can flow more but does not mean your car can go faster than the original engine.

Oh man up another 3 MBs now I'm up to 8 down 4 up
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Here is my recent test running stock rooted rom .30 radio build prop edit.
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But, the myTouch 4G has a hardware limit of 14.4 mb/s. The best thing we could get from this is that we hit peak speeds, but nothing more.

sunsean said:
I'm in midtown Manhattan at work, have 4 bars on H, and have gotten less than 1 mbps 3 speedtests in a row...a couple hours ago I got in the 2mbps range. It is the middle of the day, so I'm sure the network is clogged, but that is nowhere near 21 mbps, let alone 4-5.
As was said, I guess it really varies a lot throughout the day based on time, location, other factors etc.
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Just checked the article, but didnt even find new york city there. Its only launched in long island in ny. Speedtest.net results also confirm there is no improvement.

Ok, so i'm in Houston which is one of the cities and only see the normal 2-5 depending on the time of day. What do I need to do to see if i can get the faster download speeds? I saw the modification of the prop bld but than someone rambled on about how it may or may not help depending on "stuff that is way over my head". A clarification in laymen terms would be nice.

Data rates.... as good as sprint 3g?

So I'm on the fence.. I've had Sprint .. the Evo a year ago and I know the speeds of the 3g.. and yeah I know they vary on location.. but the few speedtests I see on people posting on youtube are god awful. I was assuming that since it's evdo rev A. I should get similar speeds.. Am I an ass for assuming? Anybody move from sprint to Virgin and see speed decreases for 3g?

I think you can mod your PRL to get the same access to the towers as normal Sprint cusromers, as we use the same towers. I havent tried it yet.
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Yeah even with a modded PRL you're kind of boned. The best I've ever gotten is 1.2Mbps and that is completely usable, but sadly during the day my speeds are more like 200Kbps which is very very difficult to use when I'm use the the constant 3Mbps of my iphone. The speeds not the end of the world since wifi is everywhere but the slow speeds are still good enough for navigation and what not.

Skyrocket HSUPA disabled?

I just got my skyrocket and in running some speed tests I'm finding the upload speeds to be lacking. With the ookla speedtest app, I've gotten up to 11 Mbps download but averaging less than 300 Kbps for uploads. This over HSPA+, not LTE.
Anyone else seeing this?

I don't have the skyrocket, but in a perfect location I'll get 1.5Mbps upload on HSPA+. Usually around .8 - .9 Mbps.
300kbps seems low, but not uncommon for many areas. This is AT&T for you. The guys with Verizon LTE around me regularly get between 5-10Mbps upload. Usually always closer to 10.

I don't think its the network, before this I had a nexus one and I was getting ~1.5 Mbps upload from the exact same location that I'm testing from.

I would double check the build.prop file in /system for any ro.ril settings like ro.ril.hsxpa. Those probably won't exist on a stock rom but if they do they could be wrong.
If they don't you can try forcing those settings. Do a google search to see what they mean if you don't know already.
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Another thing to check would be to ensure att provisioned your data correctly.
I had a blackberry before my gs2 and was only getting 3g speeds even though I had a 4g plan. Att did something and I just rebooted and my downloads sped up.
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Help, Simple mobile 4g not working

Ive called the customer service line many times and they cant even understand me let alone help me Ive been a SM customer for a while and have had no issues I recently switched from unlimited 3g to unlimited 4g and i havent noticed a speed upgrade and ive have speedtests confirm that. Is there something I can do in the APN settings?
Im on GO v5 But the rom didnt effect it as ive gone from stock to GO v2 to GO v5 all on 3g. Thanks for any help.

4G LTE is available only in Houston, Kansas City, Las Vegas, Phoenix, San Jose, Baltimore, and Washington, D.C: http://t-mobile-coverage.t-mobile.com/ Did you check the T-Mo coverage map: http://www.t-mobile.com/coverage/pcc.aspx/.

Junkyardspecial said:
Ive called the customer service line many times and they cant even understand me let alone help me Ive been a SM customer for a while and have had no issues I recently switched from unlimited 3g to unlimited 4g and i havent noticed a speed upgrade and ive have speedtests confirm that. Is there something I can do in the APN settings?
Im on GO v5 But the rom didnt effect it as ive gone from stock to GO v2 to GO v5 all on 3g. Thanks for any help.
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First, what speeds are you getting?
Second, changing APNs almost certainly will do absolutely nothing to change your data speeds.
Third, the SK4G doesn't have LTE. It has HSPA 21 as its theoretical max. The best I've ever gotten on it is about 14Mbps on the download.

Is LTE the only 4g option they carry? I just wanted plain 4g not 4g LTE. My speeds are around 250kbps. Very slow. Upload is around 1mpbs.
Also I just checked and I am well within the 4g coverage area of tmobile. I live north of miami

Junkyardspecial said:
Is LTE the only 4g option they carry? I just wanted plain 4g not 4g LTE. My speeds are around 250kbps. Very slow. Upload is around 1mpbs.
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They probably set maximum speeds based on your plan more than anything else. That being said, 250Kbps is a concern if your upload is 1Mbps. I'd call and complain. I know they weren't terribly helpful, but ask for a supervisor if you need to. You may get someone who speaks better English.

ged92781 said:
They probably set maximum speeds based on your plan more than anything else. That being said, 250Kbps is a concern if your upload is 1Mbps. I'd call and complain. I know they weren't terribly helpful, but ask for a supervisor if you need to. You may get someone who speaks better English.
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Thanks is that even 3g speed? There is nothing I can do on my end other than call?

That is crazy slow and I would for sure ***** to them, your getting edge speed, like when fake internet first showed up on nokias 10 years ago. Don't settle for less than 3mbs, anything less and they are ripping you off
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demkantor said:
That is crazy slow and I would for sure ***** to them, your getting edge speed, like when fake internet first showed up on nokias 10 years ago. Don't settle for less than 3mbs, anything less and they are ripping you off
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Thanks for the heads up, ive never had issues like this til i started paying them MORE money