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Wi-Fi Calling No Longer Counted Against Minutes (According to TM News)

Those without unlimited minutes will take comfort in the fact that T-Mobile will not count wi-fi calling against your minutes starting 5/11:
http://www.tmonews.com/2011/05/t-mobile-bring-unlimited-wifi-calling-back/

This just plain kicks butt!
I bee happy!

Awesome. Man my gf would really benefit that. She constantly goes over her minutes and we have a great wifi connection here.
+1 reason why Tmo rocks

what about international calling?

tmdz28 said:
what about international calling?
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ooh good question that I want to know the answer to. If you find out, can you pm me (and I'll do the same). mm kay? thanks

Anyone got wifi calling? this sounds like a reason to get it back. I should have froze it andnot deleted it..

This is huge in my opinion. Great selling point for those of us in the cellular industry.
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Wow! I would not have gotten unlimited mins if I knew this before.
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Wow! I would not have gotten unlimited mins if I knew this before.
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I have Acess to WIFI everywhere I go even at work.
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You have to add this on for 9.99 a month. Its not just "free"
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Isn't wifi using my bandwidth
I don't understand how t-mobile could count this against your minutes in the 1st place. Are you using their system in any way when you are on a wifi call? It's like skype right? Your using your broadband providers bandwidth. Why should you pay tmobile at all? If anything your're saving their bandwidth when making calls on wifi.
Or do I have this all wrong? It's moot for me cause I'll be on the unlimited plan when these activate tomorrow.
But when I first saw mention of the wifi calling, it never occured to me that Tmobile was charging for it.
Same thing with surfing the web on wifi...you are taking the strain off their system.

They use your bandwidth to an endpoint they own and then switch the call normally over their networks.
With WiFi connectivity you don't traverse their servers so it doesn't cost them.

dcornejo said:
They use your bandwidth to an endpoint they own and then switch the call normally over their networks......meaning their wifi calling app?With WiFi connectivity you don't traverse their servers so it doesn't cost them.
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....meaning Skype?

That would not be correct. Calls still have to be routed through their network--through their PBXs and switches.
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sk337sk337 said:
You have to add this on for 9.99 a month. Its not just "free"
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that is the old feature. The new one will be completely free if your phone is compatible with wifi calling.

[Q] Tether Apps that hide usage?

Hi everyone,
Wondering what apps people use for wireless tether that hide data usage from carriers. I currently use PDANET and also have wireless tether installed, but are there settings in wireless tether I can set so it will hide the usage? I did find some hits from other devices that had specific changed to the wireless tether source to do this, but nothing for the Charge. Any suggestions? Thank you!
Tom

It's impossible. YOU CANT HIDE FROM THE COMPANY MAN!
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AFAIK, if you're running the Gingerbread leak, hiding your usage is pretty much impossible.

crap, thanks for the info guys. Can't hide from the man

yes you can
You can hide man just keep diggin and you will see.

tnowakow said:
crap, thanks for the info guys. Can't hide from the man
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You worry too much!

Verizon can tell when your tethering, can't really hide it, just don't go crazy
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ronot said:
Verizon can tell when your tethering, can't really hide it, just don't go crazy
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No they can't. They can only see your traffic-for instance, logging on to Xbox Live will raise some suspicion because it wouldn't make sense for a phone to be logging in. Just don't use ridiculous amounts of data and don't go to any stupid sites.
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kvswim said:
No they can't. They can only see your traffic-for instance, logging on to Xbox Live will raise some suspicion because it wouldn't make sense for a phone to be logging in. Just don't use ridiculous amounts of data and don't go to any stupid sites.
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Actually, it shouldn't be too hard for them to capture a packet and check the headers, which should tell them if the traffic is valid phone traffic or tether traffic. That is unless your tether software is re-shaping packets that flow through it.

But with all of their customers as long as you don't stand out, they won't look
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kvswim said:
No they can't. They can only see your traffic-for instance, logging on to Xbox Live will raise some suspicion because it wouldn't make sense for a phone to be logging in. Just don't use ridiculous amounts of data and don't go to any stupid sites.
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If they want to, they can tell when you're tethering and when you aren't, regardless of how good the app you're using claims to be.

piizzadude said:
But with all of their customers as long as you don't stand out, they won't look
Charged up post!
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That would assume that they have individual people scanning packets, rather than a piece of software monitoring packets and throwing flags. If you have software watching information, it doesn't matter how many sources it's coming from.

Well just set up my tether at the airport. Guess I will see when the bill comes it.

I have been tethering since I got my first incredible and haven't seen anything bad come of it, and I'm torrenting blu rays, on psn, streaming video etc.
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Right now i. Am up to 41gigs and I used 34 last month (netflix and playing swtor and downloading stuff)
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icebear8 said:
Right now i. Am up to 41gigs and I used 34 last month (netflix and playing swtor and downloading stuff)
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So far in 3 months I've used 165 GB. I do most of the bandwidth heavy stuff at night after 11 PM or 12 AM.
The thing is Verizon really doesn't care what you do. If a tower is congested they will throttle you, but that almost never happens except during peak hours. So if you're torrenting at 7 PM, your data may be (very temporarily) throttled to less than 1 mbps. But wait until 10 or 11 PM and you can consume data to your heart's delight.
Verizon's network is relatively robust (not nearly as good as European carriers though), so they could easily offer unlimited LTE to everyone, with throttling only during peak hours (4-10 PM). They don't do it though because they'd rather sell you 22 GB for $180, or just catch people with overage charges.

Yep I use all my data during night (10pm-6am) I work at that time and use my laptop at work with my phone. Verizon never said anything to me or slowed my connection
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AT&T Busted me for tethering. Solution?

Is there any way for me to disguise my usage so they can not see that I'm tethering or am I busted and should give up?
Thanks!

jdbeitz said:
Is there any way for me to disguise my usage so they can not see that I'm tethering or am I busted and should give up?
Thanks!
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How much data were you using?
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You do the crime, you pay the time.
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How much data were you using, what APN, and in what location?

Switch to sprint?
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jdbeitz said:
Is there any way for me to disguise my usage so they can not see that I'm tethering or am I busted and should give up?
Thanks!
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Hard to do! The data usage patterns of a mobile device n that of a computer vary a lot. The bandwidth used within a period of time is a sure shot indicator of the same. Best would be to get a home internet.

It seems like they are wising up --- or determined some new way of detecting it. Give us more information.
I also tether a lot and now im concerned! I was just discussing this on the Captivate forum. Another user recently got caught: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1269283

m0biusace said:
How much data were you using, what APN, and in what location?
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Im using the s7 rom with the new ki modem. So whatever the default apn is for that.
I've used 8gb this week
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I am not sure if they do it off data usage or mac address. I know when I stream Siruis radio that is uses the same data that my laptop does. I have hit 5mb of usage in a month with I play about 6-7 hours of Siruis each day at work.

jdbeitz said:
Im using the s7 rom with the new ki modem. So whatever the default apn is for that.
I've used 8gb this week
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8GB this WEEK???? Give up and pay for tethering. There's no way you're going to be able to play that off as phone usage.
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AT&T has the ability to do deep packet inspection to determine what OS is sending the packets - there are some fingerprints they can use to tell that it isn't an Android device.
This is a resource-intensive process so they normally don't do it.
But if you use 8GB in a WEEK, you can be sure they're going to investigate if that usage actually came from just the phone.

So I should be OK tethering for my kids infuses when we are away from wifi?
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carhigh said:
So I should be OK tethering for my kids infuses when we are away from wifi?
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How did you reach that conclusion from this thread?

carhigh said:
So I should be OK tethering for my kids infuses when we are away from wifi?
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Maybe. I haven't gotten a nastygram yet and I tether my tablet all the time, but that's it.
I'm responsible about data usage though - even with moderate tethering I've never gone more than 500-700 MB per month.

I haven't gotten anything yet either (knock on wood) but I did get one of those "you are in the top 5%" emails this month. So I will be watching my usage a lot more considering multiple, members on various forms here are recently reporting this from AT&T.
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OMG. 8 gigs in a week. Lulz. How? No torrents on teathering. My 2 cents
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I know this seems like a joke, but really, switch to Sprint. Unlimited means UNLIMITED, on 3G or 4G (although you're much safer tethering on 4G since they don't give a damn how you use it). That, and we have the GSII.

All carriers have a teathering plan in the works, even sprint. Soon teathering will only work with the proper plan. People have taken this for granted and abused the unlimited data which was not designed for 8gb a week usage. I know that is extreme. Think about it. The unlimited was made when the average person had no idea a phone could do it. Hell I ran my whole shop off a teathered connection to my tilt when our internet went down. But that was rare. Now every kid in the world has a phone that can do it, do they use it responsibily? Nope they are streaming movies in class, music.....you get the point lol. I can't blame the carriers. As more and more people live their lives with their faces buried in a phone or tablet, the data network that runs these device will need to be changed from what we are used to. With the new system you will not be able to hide what device is using the connection. So now its time to man/woman up and either get home internet or pay for the teathering.

I got the email ....i dont tether.
I tethered 1 time last week to test functionality on gtgs new thrill rom....
Is there maybe an apn issue where they think i am tethering when i am not????
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Tethering a infuse thru a infuse would make it look as though I'm not tethering at all, no? No Pc or different operating system involved.
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get rid Of internet at home and use phone as tether

I'm thinking Of increasing My cell package to LTE and tethering My laptop to My phone.
My current cell package Is 6G/month With the LTE it jumps to 10G/month. I typically use 6G on My cell and 2 to 3G at home per month
has anybody done this? if So can you offer some feedback and any pitfalls.
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All I could see is if you're flashing ROMs on your phone and it suddenly messes up then you can't go online to troubleshoot but if you don't flash on a daily basis then everything should be fine. I personally haven't done tethering on a regular basis (even though my plan allows me to).

no I don't ever put custom ROMs
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FWIW, tethering kills your battery life. You use a fair bit of internet at home, but not really a "power user" per se, so you're kind of in the gray area where this type of thing could work for you but still isn't a great idea IMO.

Sounds like a good idea if it saves cash at the end of the month. At home I easily blow through 200 gigs per month, but if my usage resembled yours, I'd do it.

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FWIW, tethering kills your battery life. You use a fair bit of internet at home, but not really a "power user" per se, so you're kind of in the gray area where this type of thing could work for you but still isn't a great idea IMO.
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Ya I'm thinking that's gonna be a con. but the phone will basically be plugged in once I'm home. do you thing because I'll be on LTE for a prolonged time it will affect the phone, because Of increased heat
Ya I'm right on that edge. that's why this Is still in the analysis phase.
dac1227 said:
Sounds like a good idea if it saves cash at the end of the month. At home I easily blow through 200 gigs per month, but if my usage resembled yours, I'd do it.
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200G/month. dude what are you downloading?
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Lots, and lots, of ...... jk.
Mostly TV! Netflix, hulu, crackle, youtube. Still have the og dvr but I hardly touch it anymore. Always have something streaming. I am fearful of imminent tiered data, hopefully Time Warner holds out.

My dad is doing this its saving him a lot of money and his lte is actually faster then his old network, the only downfall is make sure you plug it in because it drains your battery quick.
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seanci said:
My dad is doing this its saving him a lot of money and his lte is actually faster then his old network, the only downfall is make sure you plug it in because it drains your battery quick.
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If you use pdanet to tether it will charge while you are tethering....
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seanci said:
My dad is doing this its saving him a lot of money and his lte is actually faster then his old network, the only downfall is make sure you plug it in because it drains your battery quick.
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My savings would only be about $22/month but I'd get faster sppeds. My home connection is 6Mbps my friends are getting 20 to 40Mbps on their LTE phones.
The only thing holding me back is what if my needs change and I need more internet at home? Especially now that winter is arrving a lot more time indoors/at home.
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If you use pdanet to tether it will charge while you are tethering....
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what is pdanet? I just googled it and it's just an app that let's you tether and we can already do that stock with our Skyrockets. I wanted to tether using wifi very rare I'll use the USB plug, because I find plugging into the computer takes forever to charge.

Jamolah said:
I'm thinking Of increasing My cell package to LTE and tethering My laptop to My phone.
My current cell package Is 6G/month With the LTE it jumps to 10G/month. I typically use 6G on My cell and 2 to 3G at home per month
has anybody done this? if So can you offer some feedback and any pitfalls.
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Who's your provider if you got 6 gigs and with LTE 10? AT&T doesn't have those plans.
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specter07 said:
Who's your provider if you got 6 gigs and with LTE 10? AT&T doesn't have those plans.
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I'm With ROGERS (in Canada)
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How Much Data Do You Use In A Day?

Over the past 2 days, I have used almost 2GB of data. Thank God I am on unlimited data.

I know right? Unlimited! But seriously, I try not to think about it. Because I just don't care unless Sprint starts randomly throttling me. :laugh:

1234west said:
Over the past 2 days, I have used almost 2GB of data. Thank God I am on unlimited data.
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What do you do? Stream p0rn? Chrome can't use that much data unless you're streaming stuff or heavy downloading

topgeardave said:
What do you do? Stream p0rn? Chrome can't use that much data unless you're streaming stuff or heavy downloading
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I download music. No p0rn over here Lol
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1234west said:
I download music. No p0rn over here Lol
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Ah no wonder haha, everyone here with massive data usage on browser have all admitted to downloading/streaming p0rn ? the most I use in a day is around 500mb because Spotify kills data on extreme quality sound haha

topgeardave said:
Ah no wonder haha, everyone here with massive data usage on browser have all admitted to downloading/streaming p0rn ? the most I use in a day is around 500mb because Spotify kills data on extreme quality sound haha
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Don't need it???? but I understand. Not a fan of streaming on phones. I usually get the iTunes versions of albums though

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Don't need it???? but I understand. Not a fan of streaming on phones. I usually get the iTunes versions of albums though
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Oh right, I love Spotify simply because it takes no memory and you have virtually any mainstream songs and album right at your disposal

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Oh right, I love Spotify simply because it takes no memory and you have virtually any mainstream songs and album right at your disposal
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Didn't think of it like that Might download Spotify now!!! How do you keep the music on offline mode though?

A little over 1GB a night. Downloading ROMs, and apps. WiFi has been flaky lately because of Comcast.
Seeing a stupid comment on Google Play about an app you love and marking it as "spam". You've done it too.

1234west said:
Didn't think of it like that Might download Spotify now!!! How do you keep the music on offline mode though?
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For offline mode, you make your play list and at the top you press the offline mode toggle like the photo below. Then it will just download the songs to your phone.

TheLastSidekick said:
A little over 1GB a night. Downloading ROMs, and apps. WiFi has been flaky lately because of Comcast.
Seeing a stupid comment on Google Play about an app you love and marking it as "spam". You've done it too.
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Comcast is one shady business company lol

meechieballer said:
Comcast is one shady business company lol
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That's right haha. They used to be great. Had them reprovision my Motorola Surfboard and still couldn't get connected so they had to send out a service technician for tomorrow.
Seeing a stupid comment on Google Play about an app you love and marking it as "spam". You've done it too.

I average about 25-35gb use in a month, so I use about 1gb a day on average. yup, unlimited high speed data, tmo

I use about a gig/day.
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I use about a gig/day.
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what app is that?

Internet speed meter. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.internet.speed.meter
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jarredduq said:
Internet speed meter. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.internet.speed.meter
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thanks

topgeardave said:
Ah no wonder haha, everyone here with massive data usage on browser have all admitted to downloading/streaming p0rn ? the most I use in a day is around 500mb because Spotify kills data on extreme quality sound haha
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Have you noticed slightly more battery drain when streaming extreme quality? I haven't used spotify with high/normal but whenever I stream on soundcloud which seems to be lower quality I don't get as much battery drain.
On topic: I usually use 100-500 depending on what I'm doing. Probably at least 100 mbs though streaming music during commute.