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Serious question about gingerbread video drivers

Gtab gingerbread video drivers
Do these have to come from nvidia?
Speaking as a person who knows absolutely nothing about anything, it would seem to me that if all these marvelous roms can be developed by the guys who call themselves "Devs", then these same dudes should be able to code video drivers for gingerbread simply by porting over the existing froyo ones (which work marvelously by the way).
I'm sure you are not all lazy. You just haven't thought of this idea yet.
No need to thank me. Your welcome!

Well it was nice knowing you

crutzulee said:
Do these have to come from nvidia?
Speaking as a person who knows absolutely nothing about anything, it would seem to me that if all these marvelous roms can be developed by the guys who call themselves "Devs", then these same dudes should be able to code video drivers for gingerbread simply by porting over the existing froyo ones (which work marvelously by the way).
I'm sure you are not all lazy. You just haven't thought of this idea yet.
No need to thank me. Your welcome!
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Toss out some more wisdom.. I'm currently rounding up the easter bunny, a couple unicorns, and at least a dozen leprechauns and we're forming a development team. We're awaiting your next command.. EB will out for a few weeks due to some scheduling issues and a nasty NDA lawsuit/tieup with the lollipop guild. But we'll get it done!

spoke to madhatter and cheshire cat. they promised GB &HC nvidia drivers by midnight.

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This calls for a double facepalm

Wow. Just wow. Is it bad that I'm anxiously awaiting the flaming?

sixvoltsystem said:
This calls for a double facepalm
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Quoted for truth.
I've seen decompiled drivers. It haunts my dreams.

I guess these Gingy drivers are the new Honeycomb.

Closing this before it gets WAY out of hand.

Ok so my last thread got closed down...... but not before some entertaining responses.
But I understand that not everyone gets my sense of humour (take my wife....please)-sorry couldn't help myself..from now on this thread will be SERIOUS- devoid of humour.
The original question remains. Do we need Nvidia for these drivers?
Can the existing froyo ones be used to fashion gingerbread drivers or is that completely out of the question?
Someone alluded to an NDA? Does this make such an undertaking illegal? If so then the idea is dead in the water...enough said.
If it is do-able, then I, as one who is unskilled, would like to spearhead the collection to make an offering to the developer(s) who can make this happen.
So...thoughts?
SERIOUS DISCUSSION ONLY!

Can you please link to the other thread you were talking about? I'd like to read it.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1038462
Here you go.....

@goodintentions
Oh, my old friend. Good to see you back and stirring the pot again.
So I think it is possible for people who aren't Nvidia to write these drivers. I'm an Ubuntu user and I know that I use open source drivers all the time, written by the community. However, I do think that much is needed from the original hardware manufactures in order for those drivers to be written. Thats what we haven't received from Nvidia yet. However, in my couple of years with Android ROMs and watching forums, I've never seen anyone write drivers for any phone or tablet. True, I could have missed something. I think that writing a driver for a printer and writing a driver for 3D acceleration are a bit of a different animal. Could they? Maybe. But if they could, don't you think they would have?
I'd love 3D on the Tab for Gingerbread, but I'm willing to be patient and not harass these fine people who bring us such awesome software.
crutzulee said:
Ok so my last thread got closed down...... but not before some entertaining responses.
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And as for you...you salty dog. You better watch yourself or you'll get banned before you can say, well, Gingerbread drivers! The discussion is welcome, I'm sure, but keep in mind that the devs can only work with what they are given. Let's help and give feedback rather than starting a good ol' fashioned Jim Leahy ****storm.

Notwithstanding my use of the devil Smiley, and my admitting that I know nothing about anything, I thought (wrongly) that my post was obviously tongue in cheek.
I have to admit I spit out my coffee this morning laughing at some of the responses but as has been established, I am a wee bit twisted.
I was surprised that the thread was closed and would really be shocked if I was banned!
Not to get sidetracked....this thread is meant to be SERIOUS. So community made drivers don't break NDA? Can code from the available froyo drivers be used?
If a dev finds my questions annoying. Let me know.
I am aware of how lucky we are to have them despite my failed attempt at humour.

Ok, all joking aside. Its a fair question. Code here and there can be tweaked to suit our needs, so why not drivers? How about you dive in and make it happen? My guess is that the way Gingerbread interacts with the kernel interacts other the drivers is lightyears away from the way Froyo plays. At least that's what's I've taken away from the discussions about Gingerbread. I think it is a matter that takes more intervention from Nvidia than we realize. Again, if it was doable I think that a dev would have piped up and said that they were at least working on the issue. Right now our best bet is letting Nvidia know by kindly emailing that there is a user base eager for drivers. Gently. And leave the devs alone. Really. And the banning thing is for real. Remember that you're here essentially for free, and so is their work.
So donate! And write us some damn drivers so that others can donate to you!

crutzulee said:
Notwithstanding my use of the devil Smiley, and my admitting that I know nothing about anything, I thought (wrongly) that my post was obviously tongue in cheek.
I have to admit I spit out my coffee this morning laughing at some of the responses but as has been established, I am a wee bit twisted.
I was surprised that the thread was closed and would really be shocked if I was banned!
Not to get sidetracked....this thread is meant to be SERIOUS. So community made drivers don't break NDA? Can code from the available froyo drivers be used?
If a dev finds my questions annoying. Let me know.
I am aware of how lucky we are to have them despite my failed attempt at humour.
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Alright, I'm going to bite here.
1.) Regarding the comment about an NDA. nVidia has many patents on the technology that resides inside their drivers, as well as other technology that they don't want the outside world seeing. In Linux and with Android, they're just going to supply binaries, unless a partner signs an NDA, giving them access to the source code.
2.) All it takes is a slight change in the interaction between the kernel and the driver, to break it. Saying "just take the Froyo drivers and put them in Gingerbread" is severely understating the effort. If it were as easy as you think, it would have been done by now.
3.) Legally speaking, reverse engineering a driver, or decompiling code can break the DMCA law. I won't comment on my opinion of this law, but needless to say, the latest trouble the GeoHot got into over reverse engineering the PS3, speaks enough to the hesitation you'll find in people doing these things moving forward... at least in publishing them. The crime becomes even more severe the second a dev takes one of the "donations" setup here. Now they are profiting from the act.
4.) Both nVidia and AMD are starting to release open source drivers for their hardware in linux, but the open source drivers are much different than the closed source.
Lastly, this is just a comment. Look at how many people post here with issue of installing ROMs, just because they can't follow simple directions. Writing low level code for a kernel is not a simple task for people professionally code, let alone "enthusiasts". It takes an intimate knowledge of how linux works, then the subtleties of the changes Android has made to the kernel, then a lot of educated guesses and research, because all of the detailed specs and documentation just aren't made available to the enthusiasts.
End of the day, unless you're willing to fork over some serous cash to one of the devs on here, I wouldn't ask "why can't you just do this, you must not have thought of it, right?". Chances are, they are already 10 steps ahead of you and thought about that and quickly dismissed it, 6 months before you even knew what Android was.

Thanks h3llphyre for your response. You have made clear some of the things that I was uncertain about and was trying to get straight. Most importantly, that there are some legal issues surrounding what I am proposing and that the difficulty level may not make such an undertaking worthwhile.
Your last paragraph still leaves me greatly dismayed that I am greatly misunderstood.
Rest assured that I have donated to devs here and elswhere for their work and, as a person who cannot, greatly appreciate those who can.
My original post was meant to poke fun at those who come on here with a sense of entitlement demanding things like this. If you read other posts written by me in other threads you'd see this. Indeed if you re-read my original thread (with the devilish smiley) you'd see where I was coming from.
I felt like a looser that my original post was soooo misunderstood. I feel like an even bigger loser having to explain it.

Merging and reopening after receiving this from the OP....
crutzulee said:
Hey Jerdog,
I THINK most people got my tongue in cheek humour in my thread about gingerbread video drivers being built from the ground up.
Did you really have to close the thread? Behind the humour was what I thought was a legitimate question.
Someone alluded to an NDA issue with this being done. I am fully aware that if these could be produced either easily or with some effort the devs here would do it.
My thread was an attempt to gain some understanding of how complex this undertaking would be. Could it be done? Would it break an NDA and thus be illegal? Is it just an onerous task where the unskillled (like myself) could donate money and be available for beta testing for a dev willing to undertake it.
Could the thread be re-opened with this PM pasted in for those that don't get or appreciate my brand of humour?
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jerdog said:
Merging and reopening after receiving this from the OP....
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@jerdog
You're a saint. I'm glad there is some further explanation behind this thread. I think it is a good, if not inflammatory question.

Virtusous Fusion thread closed?

Does anyone know what happened with this ROM/Thread? I'm only curious. A lot of mystery behind *pending investigation*
Mods: Feel free to delete this thread
All: Feel free to criticize

Welcome to the new management aka dumber than the last one. Some of these special folks now locks the thread and cleans it so flame war ect won't continue when locked.

Makes a bit of sense. It's funny because I was starting to just get into it... I'm not sure I can wait, I might have to see what royalginger or faux's AOSP is all about. I'm addicted to flashing ROMs I think.

Now I never used evil D's rom/kernel or anything. But on serious note as another user in another thread said his rom may have radio.img in it maybe the reason it was pulled. As we all know the danger with corrupted radio.img and as the user says he didn't supply folks with md5 checksum which would give higher risk of bricking the device if corrupted. So maybe thats why it was pulled who knows only evil D and dingleberry mods knows.

PD15IMG said:
Now I never used evil D's rom/kernel or anything. But on serious note as another user in another thread said his rom may have radio.img in it maybe the reason it was pulled. As we all know the danger with corrupted radio.img and as the user says he didn't supply folks with md5 checksum which would give higher risk of bricking the device if corrupted. So maybe thats why it was pulled who knows only evil D and dingleberry mods knows.
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It had no radio.img in it

Yea I don't think that was it. I'm thinking more of stolen code or some nonsense. but that's all just speculation. Whatevs, I am kind of attached to sense 3.0 now, but I have a taste for vanilla... I need two phones....

truckerdewd said:
It had no radio.img in it
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I stand corrected then as I wasn't sure as I never used his projects. I was only going by what the user said so I said "may".
bertscookie said:
Yea I don't think that was it. I'm thinking more of stolen code or some nonsense. but that's all just speculation. Whatevs, I am kind of attached to sense 3.0 now, but I have a taste for vanilla... I need two phones....
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Well technically yes legally HTC can make claim and have it removed. But in the past they have not done so as they actually have very open standard with Android development world. As more news hits of unlocked bootloader and opensense sdk which proves more on that matter.
Far as stolen source code goes let say from another user no one else has put any projects as evil d's contribution is known in our community. Now the new mods may not know this as they don't even own MT4G nor has they been in our sections until Option went MIA. If these new mods do lock/delete it then all of the evil D users should boycott XDA and go download from his direct site if they have it. It seems XDA is becoming very cocky atm with its 4million userbase which can drop any min if main developers pulled back from here.

PD15IMG said:
... Now the new mods may not know this as they don't even own MT4G nor has they been in our sections until Option went MIA. If these new mods do lock/delete it then all of the evil D users should boycott XDA and go download from his direct site if they have it. It seems XDA is becoming very cocky atm with its 4million userbase which can drop any min if main developers pulled back from here.
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Are you for or against the new mods?
This is true, XDA is huge, it's going all martial law.
What ROM are you using?

bertscookie said:
Are you for or against the new mods?
This is true, XDA is huge, it's going all martial law.
What ROM are you using?
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lol you really don't know who I am then. I can't clearly say I support any type of moderation's let it be mod, super mod, admin as I have dealt with all of them in here. I just think they should assign new mod who at least have a clue with the device we have. Also the new mods nuked alot of my posts which actually had no flame, ect and was actually informative. If they contributed to our device in any ways I would be supportive but since they haven't I can say I share their value. Whos/Option both where our own MT4G member but the other 2 new mod's now don't even own MT4G. So they actually offer nothing to the members here.
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But far as rom goes I stick to AOSP as I am not big fan of Sense based. ATM using CM7NB86 (AOSP2.3.4).

I like the customization, nice look. I was CM7 for a little bit, I loved it, was going to switch back but I got hung up on the HTC apps. I still can't find a ROM that does VM notification for 'mycarrier', it never works and bugs the crap out of me, so I use googlevoice.
I agree that mods should be experienced with the hardware/software that their respective sections of moderation use. runs smoother that way and I think overall creates synergy(I love that word). But the objectiveness of a mod that doesn't have any affiliation with the section can be useful in when stopping disputes/flame/etc. IDK the real reason why the thread was locked but it seemed like that move was jumping the gun a bit.

I also see that another developer that was pretty new and had posted 3 roms within the last week is suddenly gone now also. He had a really good stock rom for MT4G that was GingerSense but now all of his threads and posts are gone. Nowhere to be found. Can only see his roms via rom manager.

truckerdewd said:
I also see that another developer that was pretty new and had posted 3 roms within the last week is suddenly gone now also. He had a really good stock rom for MT4G that was GingerSense but now all of his threads and posts are gone. Nowhere to be found. Can only see his roms via rom manager.
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conspiracy

Anyone know why its currently closed yet? I had my suspicions about text9 app included, but he said it was okay cause it wasnt full version and tmo is putting it on future phones instead of swype im guessing.

eqjunkie829 said:
Anyone know why its currently closed yet? I had my suspicions about text9 app included, but he said it was okay cause it wasnt full version and tmo is putting it on future phones instead of swype im guessing.
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We don't know why it's been temporarily locked. Just cause of a pending investigation
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Anyone have have a mirror for 1.1.2?
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Anyone have have a mirror for 1.1.2?
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Don't have a mirror but I have a link to his developer page. Pm me and I'll give it to you
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If you read a few pages back into the thread, it should be pretty obvious why the download link was removed and the thread temporarily closed. None of the issues discussed in this thread are the real reason. It should be an easy fix, so hopefully the matter is resolved soon.

Couldn't be something as simple as the missing MD5 sum could it...?

TeeJay3800 said:
If you read a few pages back into the thread, it should be pretty obvious why the download link was removed and the thread temporarily closed. None of the issues discussed in this thread are the real reason. It should be an easy fix, so hopefully the matter is resolved soon.
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Or you could have told the OP why in single line instead of him reading few pages. Some folks like myself never used his rom's much less visited his threads but we would be still interested to know why.

it may be the fact that the thread turned into a pissing contest and everyone was arguing about stupid crap like evil updating the rom everyday. which i dont see them pulling the rom for that reason. glad i have every version downloaded already

This right here

This right here is why people think poorly of the devs and why people leave.
Taking your ball and leaving and in the process removing a thread because of butthurt. I was hoping after you guys realized thrashing on a fourteen year old kid in that other thread is not acceptable and shows how immature the whole lot of you are, you would stop.
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he wasn't attacking me in that post, but it did get out of hand.

Read:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24175376&postcount=16
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24196352&postcount=45
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24196941&postcount=46
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24197277&postcount=47
If you still don't get why developers leave this forum, you lose.
Spending time trying to wrangle the forums and keep our threads clean is the reason you don't have MIUI or CM-anything.
Respect.

eollie said:
This right here is why people think poorly of the devs and why people leave.
Taking your ball and leaving and in the process removing a thread because of butthurt. I was hoping after you guys realized thrashing on a fourteen year old kid in that other thread is not acceptable and shows how immature the whole lot of you are, you would stop.
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1. Age doesn't matter.
2. What comes out of your mouth at any age is what matters.
3. Can you seriously stop with these posts dude, you talk big even reported me to the mods no? Leave Raver alone it's his thread if he wants to remove it, then it's his work to remove. You have no say in what he does and you don't know why he removed it so don't assume it's because he got butthurt.
Hopefully mods remove the thread and give you a strike.

Eollie
Most of us don't think poorly of devs at all. Quite the opposite actually. We think poorly of people like you who feel a need to stand on a soapbox and tell the rest of us how to act. If you feel that need as it seems you do maybe focus your energies elsewhere. Like Big Brother or some other such charity where you can impart your moral and social ideas on someone who may actually give a ****. The rest of us here are adults, including airfluip, and will act how we feel accordingly. I fully stand behind Bryan and Raver. To coin an old line "If your not part of the solution your part of the problem."

@bryan cool you know how to copy and paste. Actually the fact you cant ignore the noise and just focus is why we dont have the roms like other phones. When you guys have bad days you come here and thrash people for whatever reason you can find.
@erikmm You are correct age has nothing to do with anything. Until a grown man starts berating a child. If this was something being done in public place there would be people like me stepping in telling the grown ass man to shut up and act like a adult. Yes the child would be corrected too but you cant expect do as I say not as I do.
@hechoen There are more people that have left this place based on the reaction of the current developers than you would even care to believe. Look at the devs that have left. Read their threads. You dont see them posting things like have been posted in the past four months. Whitehawkx just stopped posting period he ignored the noise and did what he did best and develop. I truly believe if you cant ignore the noise then you shouldnt be trying to develop period. This happens every where. Doesnt matter if you get paid or not. Either do it because you like it or dont do it at all.
I wish I had better options when I bought my phone. I only bought this phone because it appeared to have better development than the other options I found at the time. I count the days until I can get a different phone. And Im sure most of you are counting them with me.

Thanks for treating me like everyone else hechoen.
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eollie said:
This right here is why people think poorly of the devs and why people leave.
Taking your ball and leaving and in the process removing a thread because of butthurt.
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Eollie, you're a twit.
The only way you'd possibly be right would be... oh, wait, nevermind... there isn't a way.
I come back to the forums less and less. I stopped testing new roms, stopped providing feedback, not because of the attitude of the devs, but because of the same BS that leads up to threads like the one you posted.
These guys come in here and do their thing for free mostly, because they can, and because they like to do it.
Then they get crapped on and it stops being fun.
I have my own side gigs and hobbies, and when people start demanding I change this or that, in work I freely created for my own enjoyment, they get a lot worse treatment from me than these forums have seen from the developers.
I can empathize with them...
It's their hobby, their fun, if someone doesn't like what they produce, or the speed at which they produce it, then that someone needs to do it themselves.
Study, learn, and crank out their own stuff, the way they want it, and then let's see how they like the *****fest that happens around here...
People don't leave because the devs are being dickish, the devs leave because 'Joe User' is being dickish.
Don't forget where you are, when I look at the top of the page I see XDA-Developers. Not XDA-Whinyassdemandingendusers.
@Bryan, I was happy to see you come back, but I wouldn't have a single harsh thing to say if you packed up and left again.
@Raver - if you're still reading over here... I enjoyed your work, and remember, Joke 'em if they can't take a f*.
I wrote this post before clicking on all of Bryan's links... now I realize I was being redundant, but screw it, I wrote it, and I'm still PO'd enough to think it's needs said again.

eollie said:
I count the days until I can get a different phone.
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Trust me so do we. Hell I might even start a "Get eollie a New Phone Thread"

We should really lock this thread.
It is going to become a flame war.
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eollie said:
@erikmm You are correct age has nothing to do with anything. Until a grown man starts berating a child. If this was something being done in public place there would be people like me stepping in telling the grown ass man to shut up and act like a adult. Yes the child would be corrected too but you cant expect do as I say not as I do.
I wish I had better options when I bought my phone. I only bought this phone because it appeared to have better development than the other options I found at the time. I count the days until I can get a different phone. And Im sure most of you are counting them with me.
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I agree with this post completely I am that same exact guy and yes. It probably was my fault for getting MIUI closed because I was sticking up for someone but I guess that's not the appropriate thing to do when someone tells someone else to GTFO. But now I have to "think" before I say something because someone told me to.. hmm.
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@Core618 flame on dude.
If you think I dont appreciate the time and effort put into what is done then you are wrong. I do. Just because this is xda-developers doesnt mean the developers have the right to act like butthurt little tards.
If your not disgusted at how grown men trashed a fourteen year old kid then something is wrong with you. Leading by example and teaching is what they should have been doing. Instead it resorted to banning him from irc and then coming to xda to talk trash on him. Today because somebody had a bad day/night they pick up and start it again. Then when somebody steps up and says something in defense they get trashed and lo and behold the miui thread is closed..
For anyone else wanting to flame me for calling raver out for being a whiny ***** go ahead. It just shows how the lemmings will follow along. How does it feel to be a lemming?

eollie said:
For anyone else wanting to flame me for calling raver out for being a whiny ***** go ahead. It just shows how the lemmings will follow along. How does it feel to be a lemming?
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That's not true, you're only a lemming if you join in not knowing what it's all about.
Most of the people bashing you have a brain of their own, and read your needless thread and said to themselves "He's wrong."
Lastly, and i do mean last post, this is a dev community where people post their work not your own personal diary where you write what you think is right or wrong. If you want to do that then go here: http://www.melodramatic.com/
No one is talking **** to airfluip, we are just telling him to not go off topic and respect others.
Bye eTROLLie hopefully you get a job soon that can help you afford that new phone and make you go away from this one.

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Trust me so do we. Hell I might even start a "Get eollie a New Phone Thread"
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LMFAO, dude your gmail is peck blower? hahah now i see why you're mad
sorry about posting again after i said i wasnt but that was too funny.

erikmm said:
That's not true, you're only a lemming if you join in not knowing what it's all about.
Most of the people bashing you have a brain of their own, and read your needless thread and said to themselves "He's wrong."
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Funny how the only people telling me Im wrong have been the same lemmings that follow raver from thread to thread fawning his ego, same group that follows every move bryan makes.
erikmm said:
No one is talking **** to airfluip, we are just telling him to not go off topic and respect others.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24357380&postcount=1053
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24357744&postcount=1055
Both of those are from today. Here is on from the other thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24195252&postcount=13
There was many more but they were deleted. Again this isnt just about airflip. Its general tired of devs taking out their frustration on people and we are suppose to allow it. I didnt see one person tell bryan,raver, or fb they werent acting like adults until I posted how immature they were acting. There was many of you posting how airfilp was acting like a kid.
Also good to see you scrapping to find something to trash me about...its original too.

actually this is the reason i locked the thread because it was getting off topic....
u all wanna flame eatch other go ahead i dont care dont do it in my threads got it ok then.

RaverX3X said:
actually this is the reason i locked the thread because it was getting off topic....
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...lets see how many people will accept this.
I dont. Its been off-topic so many times and mods have had to clean it up.
I cant wait to see how the sgs2 people react when you act like a whiny ass while developing on that donated phone... I for one would be pissed if I donated money for a dev to get a phone only to have him/her respond like you do.

eollie said:
...lets see how many people will accept this.
I dont. Its been off-topic so many times and mods have had to clean it up.
I cant wait to see how the sgs2 people react when you act like a whiny ass while developing on that donated phone... I for one would be pissed if I donated money for a dev to get a phone only to have him/her respond like you do.
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your not even worth the forum space

ya and considering i already gave them 2 versions of ics aosp and touchwiz de bloated lol i think there pretty ok with the way i act

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-First off remove the ".zip" Extension (Had to add it to upload here)
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Awesome, willl have to do this once my phone arrives. However, do you actually mean Reduce browser loading times??

Or one could use full-featured, easy apps from the Market such as AdAway or Adfree Android...

Sorry i just cant sit in front of a pc/Linux all day i have a job to go to. Saturdays are my only day for android. If i do it then. Not worth my time i can just do stuff for me and the old lady, not sure what your deal with me is but im not signing on to see these comments. Ill keep my work personL.....in other news samsungs half ics is working well.

nickmcminn60 said:
not sure what your deal with me is but im not signing on to see these comments
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What? I think you're taking... whatever it is that it appears that I'm doing, way too personally. Chill out.

Hey, the good news about this thread is that k0nane suggested adfree android, which literally took 15 seconds to get up and running, and is a nifty little tweak!

k0nane said:
Or one could use full-featured, easy apps from the Market such as AdAway or Adfree Android...
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Apologies to OP, but quick Adfree Android question: is there documentation for it somewhere? I checked out bigtincan.com and it doesn't have anything, and on the Android Market^H^H^H Google Play site there's very little by way of documentation. I think it just did its job, but it presents a lot of choices and it would be good to know what they all do.

talindsay said:
Apologies to OP, but quick Adfree Android question: is there documentation for it somewhere? I checked out bigtincan.com and it doesn't have anything, and on the Android Market^H^H^H Google Play site there's very little by way of documentation. I think it just did its job, but it presents a lot of choices and it would be good to know what they all do.
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Adaway is actually a little easier to use, I recommend that one
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k0nane said:
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Is there a specific reason your being so rude? Or are you feeling insecure that there is another bad ass dev coming out with fixes. or is it your just that stuck up and must have all the likes. Last I heard Android is open source and last I checked we were all supposed to help one another not point out each others down falls or pick at them. Your rude and have my word that I would never support you and your obnoxious mouth. </rant> good day sir

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Is there a specific reason your being so rude? Or are you feeling insecure that there is another bad ass dev coming out with fixes. or is it that just that your just that stuck up and must have all the likes. Last I heard Android is open source and last I checked we were all supposed to help one another not point out each others down falls or pick at them. Your rude and have my word that I would never support you and your obnoxious mouth. </rant> good day sir
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Do you really think that k0nane's post was rude? Really? It is just another way to accomplish the same thing. That dude gave us root. That in itself is way more than most have offered.
I thank everyone for the work they're putting in for this device, but to say that his post was rude is reaching a bit. He just gave another option, and it is a good one.
We're all on the same team.

allprogrammed said:
Do you really think that k0nane's post was rude? Really? It is just another way to accomplish the same thing. That dude gave us root. That in itself is way more than most have offered.
I thank everyone for the work they're putting in for this device, but to say that his post was rude is reaching a bit. He just gave another option, and it is a good one.
We're all on the same team.
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Yep and the same man helped him on his journey of getting the root. I feel the man is acting childish following him around and under minding his every turn. Same team.... I thought. But with this crap going on..... Just because he achived root doesn't give him rights to act like a snob.

toryheal said:
Yep and the same man helped him on his journey of getting the root. I feel the man is acting childish following him around and under minding his every turn. Same team.... I thought. But with this crap going on..... Just because he achived root doesn't give him rights to act like a snob.
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But what it comes down to, is that he gave a simple answer to what was being addressed in the thread, right?
I don't care who helps who getting what in the scheme of things.
I'm a beggar and not a chooser at this point so I gotta love those that are giving to the community. Whoo devs!

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But what it comes down to, is that he gave a simple answer to what was being addressed in the thread, right?
I don't care who helps who getting what in the scheme of things.
I'm a beggar and not a chooser at this point so I gotta love those that are giving to the community. Whoo devs!
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So has anyone here in general tried out the Noble rom?

toryheal said:
Is there a specific reason your being so rude? Or are you feeling insecure that there is another bad ass dev coming out with fixes. or is it your just that stuck up and must have all the likes. Last I heard Android is open source and last I checked we were all supposed to help one another not point out each others down falls or pick at them. Your rude and have my word that I would never support you and your obnoxious mouth. </rant> good day sir
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badass dev? when is he coming?
anyways in all seriousness the point that k0nane was trying to make i believe was fully justified. by using nicks tweak you rely on him updating it, which from the looks of it... doesnt seem to be happening. what does android being open source have to do with helping or not helping? as far as i can see there was an alternative given thats all, no different than if i made a huge giant post about how to use alogcat and get your msl. which works fine but there is an easier way of just using getprop.
so far from what ive seen of this community is a bunch of crying on how there are no roms/kernels etc. we had one blaze owner in teh irc for teh longest time. helping with root/recovery and whenever starskyrob had a moment to test his rom. everyone claims to want cm7/cm9/aokp/ics yet i havent seen anyone except (forgive me for misspelling your name if i did) dr4stic even try to compile. if you want good things to happen to your device then you need to step forward, look into rom development, learn how to compile the kernel from source. if you cant/arent willing to put the time in then find someone who is ive mentioned all around this forum no dev is gunna give up their high end device to go buy and work on the blaze.
myself and k0nane are on sprint it just happened to be that we like to go around and help phones that dont seem like they are gunna get the big name treatment. i tweeted at my buddy mikeyinid (we worked together on the nexus s back in the day) see if he wouldnt mind helping you guys on out...

shabbypenguin said:
badass dev? when is he coming?
anyways in all seriousness the point that k0nane was trying to make i believe was fully justified. by using nicks tweak you rely on him updating it, which from the looks of it... doesnt seem to be happening. what does android being open source have to do with helping or not helping? as far as i can see there was an alternative given thats all, no different than if i made a huge giant post about how to use alogcat and get your msl. which works fine but there is an easier way of just using getprop.
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And that is 100% respected. I am not only talking Bout this post, rather all of his post that have followed one of nicks. I am glad you guys helped. But that doesn't give the right to treat others in a condescending manner. Nick has done amazing work on the vibrant and now has this phone and wad helping this man. Once the man got what he needed ( because like you stated, he nor you have the device) he was out. Then started treating him like this. Shabby, problem wasn't with you. I just had to step in and defend nick because he is a bad ass dev.
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I personally think a lot of the problem is the average user's interpretation of T-mobile sales reps.
I mean, I knew the S2 had a very large rom community especially because it's a very popular phone. I was led to believe by T-mobile that the phone is pretty much just an S2, but with a smaller size screen.
If you compare the phone's features and specifications, you'd be a fool to not agree.
But as it turns out, as it pertains to roms, nothing could be further from the truth.
Shame on us, the average user, for not realizing the golden rules with salespeople:
1: They'll tell you what you want to hear.
2: Most of the time they don't know what they are talking about anyway.
3: Often times when you need to buy a phone, you've not exactly been planning on it, so you have to do it hastily. This was certainly true for me.
4: Custom roms are of course never able to be supported or recognized by the carriers, they pretty much pretend they don't exist, and for good reason. Most people aren't really careful enough to be doing it, even for the "simple" methods.
5: Rom maker's ability to communicate instructions is not always clear, and yes, this can have a detrimental impact to a person, especially if they are not experienced with the process. Seriously, half of the roms I've looked at for Android phones have glaring instruction errors, and even if it gets pointed out by another person, rather than update their instructions they'll just reply, "Yeah, sorry about that" The problem is, that clarification is often times on the 40th page of the thread. Sigh.
6: And this is my number one reason........
A lot more people should be getting more and more fed up with carriers who impose limitations on phones. Seriously, if it wasn't for all this carrier and manufacturer ego-wagging, the user experience would be better for both the tweaker crowd, and the stock crowd.

shabbypenguin said:
badass dev? when is he coming?
anyways in all seriousness the point that k0nane was trying to make i believe was fully justified. by using nicks tweak you rely on him updating it, which from the looks of it... doesnt seem to be happening. what does android being open source have to do with helping or not helping? as far as i can see there was an alternative given thats all, no different than if i made a huge giant post about how to use alogcat and get your msl. which works fine but there is an easier way of just using getprop.
so far from what ive seen of this community is a bunch of crying on how there are no roms/kernels etc. we had one blaze owner in teh irc for teh longest time. helping with root/recovery and whenever starskyrob had a moment to test his rom. everyone claims to want cm7/cm9/aokp/ics yet i havent seen anyone except (forgive me for misspelling your name if i did) dr4stic even try to compile. if you want good things to happen to your device then you need to step forward, look into rom development, learn how to compile the kernel from source. if you cant/arent willing to put the time in then find someone who is ive mentioned all around this forum no dev is gunna give up their high end device to go buy and work on the blaze.
myself and k0nane are on sprint it just happened to be that we like to go around and help phones that dont seem like they are gunna get the big name treatment. i tweeted at my buddy mikeyinid (we worked together on the nexus s back in the day) see if he wouldnt mind helping you guys on out...
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I appreciate the help with root and CWM but not the comments that follow all of mine. I have Saturdays to work with this device, so I am limited with time. I got to the point where I felt like baking for my wife and I ...= less drama. Ill be more than happy to post a "bootable , Functional Rom. But it will be redirected here: http://www.android-engineering.com/index.php
Sorry I can't sit here 24/7 I work 6 day's a week and spend the extra time with my 3 kids. I got to a point where I was neglecting my fam and was staying on the PC trying to keep up with 5 Rom's. Something had to give. What am I not updating? Is there a need? This will be put into my rom instead of an extra app. If something needs updating when I update a rom it will be done with each release. If it is unappreciated just delete the thread.

alright, its clear. i cant speak for k0nane but i can for myself. the hitsquad attempts to help devices get off teh ground but it doesnt seem like that is much wanted round here. so my apologies but ill go ahead and remove this forum from my daily loadup macro.
im keeping the cwm thread open and source up on my github for any future devs that wish it. i hope no hard feelings and best of luck to you all

shabbypenguin said:
alright, its clear. i cant speak for k0nane but i can for myself. the hitsquad attempts to help devices get off teh ground but it doesnt seem like that is much wanted round here. so my apologies but ill go ahead and remove this forum from my daily loadup macro.
im keeping the cwm thread open and source up on my github for any future devs that wish it. i hope no hard feelings and best of luck to you all
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This. My threads will remain open as well.
I can't control how anyone interprets what I write - and that's all I'm going to say on the matter. Blaze owners, enjoy your devices, and best of luck, as Shabby said.

VictoryROM + LithiumROM + * = My theme

Like the majority of us here, I love modding my phone to fit my personal taste/preference at any given time. Ever since I flashed VictoryROM I have been in love with most of it, felt it just needed a few more visual tweaks. With help from XDA member Deliberate I was able to get said tweaks done, and was pleasantly surprised to get a few other I didn't ask for but wanted. Let me know what you think.
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Deliberate's battery mod also changed the settings menu slightly...the check marks and check boxes are a little larger. Running the inverted settings.apk theme courtesty of JRW 28 for his LithiumROM...works like a charm on VictoryROM
Alteredlikeness' status bar mod also came with the custom drop down toggles seen here. Deliberate's battery mod, originally for LithiumROM, also changed the color of the text in the notification bar to blue. I like it!
Another side effect of Deliberate's mod is the lockscreen, pretty much the same as the one in VictoryROM except for the ICS blue glow around the unlock and sound circles. Wasn't expecting this but like it alot.
I wish you could have seen me when I noticed this, the skinny ICS themed volume sliders and the ICS blue glow around the pop up box as in LithiumROM, my reaction would have you thinking I just won the lottery or something, LoL.
I've had this transparent blue XDA app for a long time now, since I had my SE X10i, fits perfectly with my theme! But noticed another pleasant surprise due to flashing the mod from Deliberate....the page loading animation. It used to look like an overgrown circular saw blade, looks much better now!
Just a couple more screenshots of my transparent blue XDA app with the ICS blue theme at the top, again courtesy of Deliberates mod.
I appreciate the work of the guys listed above and am loving my current setup thanks to you. It's nice to be able to run the ROM I prefer, yet still have some theme work and mods from other ROMs that I like as well. Can't thank you guys enough.
The last thing I need to make my setup perfect is to get the reboot option in the extended power menu.

Looks good, the inverted setting wasnt the only thing borrowed. Thats my framework-res as well. That's where your spinner, colored clock,lockscreen, and ICS style sliders come from.
It would be nice to have been at least asked to have been used. It took a lot of time for me to get this the way it is and not on any other Roms on the A2........

JRW 28 said:
Looks good, the inverted setting wasnt the only thing borrowed. Thats my framework-res as well. That's where your spinner, colored clock,lockscreen, and ICS style sliders come from.
It would be nice to have been at least asked to have been used. It took a lot of time for me to get this the way it is and not on any other Roms on the A2........
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Here we go again
You seem to be of the impression that I pilfered your ROM and salvaged what I wanted. When the reality of what happened was someone posted a battery mod for your ROM and I simply flashed it on my phone. I was unaware the other mods this consisted of until I flashed it. So rest assured I am not trying to claim your work as mine or trying to pick your ROM apart for the features I want on the one I run, I took a chance at flashing a mod for your ROM that just so happened to work on mine. It's not like I'm a dev and cooking my own ROM and comprising it of your work without your permission, i'm just a member who likes trying different things and willing to chance it by flashing things intended for other ROMs to my phone with the hopes it works....sometimes it does, other times not so much. Since when do we as members need to ask permission to flash publicly posted mods to our devices? Where they do that at?

You know I never pointed a finger at you, but it took a lot of work to get what I did on my Rom and to see people using it without asking does get under my skin a little. So if this is gonna be how it is then I will just keep my work to myself........

I thought this was all sort of open-source..
And is it possible to put locks or passwords on your zip files if you don't want them picked apart - but still be flashable?
I don't think I've taken any of your theme mods JRW, just the 1% batteries for Victory at one time, and properly credited (though I've seen them in a thousand other ROMs, so I'm sure they are not "yours" yours)... But I got a lot of inspiration from other people's work and made it happen on my own as well..
So, this is why I'm gonna start from the ground up on my ROM. And maybe or maybe not share it.. And, be careful to credit properly if I do...
Nonetheless, looks nice 916, glad I could help you out...

alteredlikeness said:
I thought this was all sort of open-source..
And is it possible to put locks or passwords on your zip files if you don't want them picked apart - but still be flashable?
I don't think I've taken any of your theme mods JRW, just the 1% batteries for Victory at one time, and properly credited (though I've seen them in a thousand other ROMs, so I'm sure they are not "yours" yours)... But I got a lot of inspiration from other people's work and made it happen on my own as well..
So, this is why I'm gonna start from the ground up on my ROM. And maybe or maybe not share it.. And, be careful to credit properly if I do...
Nonetheless, looks nice 916, glad I could help you out...
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If I really have to point put everything that was taken from Lithium I will. My point was it took a lot of my time to get the mods I did on my rom and for you to take them and distribute them as your own without even a thanks or asking is why we are here. This is open source, but credit os always given where it is due .....but you know what, you do what you think is right.....funny when you post something you ask for credit where its deserved but I guess when its not yours its OK to do as you wish ........I'm done........

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If I really have to point put everything that was taken from Lithium I will. My point was it took a lot of my time to get the mods I did on my rom and for you to take them and distribute them as your own without even a thanks or asking is why we are here. This is open source, but credit os always given where it is due .....but you know what, you do what you think is right.....funny when you post something you ask for credit where its deserved but I guess when its not yours its OK to do as you wish ........I'm done........
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I did not take one thing from Lithium... You're barking up the wrong tree. I haven't even downloaded it yet..
EDIT: And if you're referring to the rotating homescreen credit, I was just pretty excited that I figured it out for our model, and if you notice I said to credit me unless you figure it out for yourself.. And I figured I had to put that there with they way some of you devs/modders act...

JRW 28 said:
You know I never pointed a finger at you, but it took a lot of work to get what I did on my Rom and to see people using it without asking does get under my skin a little. So if this is gonna be how it is then I will just keep my work to myself........
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You can do as you wish, and I understand your concern here but it seems to me you're overreacting a bit. Somebody running your ROM posted battery mods for your ROM, I seen them, liked how they looked and figured I'd flash it and hope for the best. Nobody stole your work, nobody did anything which would require your permission. I have the utmost respect for you, I really do, but unless you got permission from Motorola to modify their ROM to your liking then it seems quite hypocritical of you to expect us to ask for yours to do the same when in reality "your" ROM is little more than a modded version of theirs. Nobody was trying to be sneaky here brother, we all appreciate your contributions here and hope you can look back at this later and realize that.
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I did not take one thing from Lithium... You're barking up the wrong tree. I haven't even downloaded it yet..
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Well whoever mixed the 2 together need to get with me and tell me exactly how they got the images they got. Because I can tell you exactly what I did and how I got them.........All I 'm saying is give credit due where it deserves. I put a LOT of time and effort into my Rom and to see people ripping it off is BS since I'm not getting any credit

JRW 28 said:
Well whoever mixed the 2 together need to get with me and tell me exactly how they got the images they got. Because I can tell you exactly what I did and how I got them.........All I 'm saying is give credit due where it deserves. I put a LOT of time and effort into my Rom and to see people ripping it off is BS since I'm not getting any credit
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Unless you're talking about his phone signal or dropdown menu, we got nothing to discuss.

JRW 28 said:
Well whoever mixed the 2 together need to get with me and tell me exactly how they got the images they got. Because I can tell you exactly what I did and how I got them.........All I 'm saying is give credit due where it deserves. I put a LOT of time and effort into my Rom and to see people ripping it off is BS since I'm not getting any credit
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It's all been spelled out clearly in the OP. If anybody is guilty of ripping you off it's me since i'm the one who flashed mods for your rom to my phone (running a different rom). But since i'm not a dev, not claiming your work as my own, why do I need to get your permission? That's the part i'm not understanding. How can you not be getting credit when "your ROM" is listed in the title of this thread and has been since the instance it was posted?

JRW 28 said:
Well whoever mixed the 2 together need to get with me and tell me exactly how they got the images they got. Because I can tell you exactly what I did and how I got them.........All I 'm saying is give credit due where it deserves. I put a LOT of time and effort into my Rom and to see people ripping it off is BS since I'm not getting any credit
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Omg guys im sorry. It was me. I used parts from lithium on ATRIX blaze v3. Cause I did like blazes lockscreen. I did port over the battery mod. But I can't remember where from. I apologize for not asking permission before doing this. At the time I didn't see any harm. Everything in my mod is JRW 28 except the battery mod. Me and. 916x10 just traded files and that's what he came up with. He didnt mean to not give proper credit because he probably didn't know it was jrw 28s mods. I never told him because idk, guess i just didnt yhink about it. He just wanted to share it probably because he thought others would enjoy it. So sorry I didn't mean to not give credit where it was due! So so so sorry!!!!
Sorry to u as well 916x10 didn't think u would get so much crap for this.
Also he never gave me credit for creating the mods he just said when he flashed my zip that's the outcome.

Deliberate said:
Omg guys im sorry. It was me. I used parts from lithium on ATRIX blaze v3. Cause I did like blazes lockscreen. I did port over the battery mod. But I can't remember where from. I apologize for not asking permission before doing this. At the time I didn't see any harm. Everything in my mod is JRW 28 except the battery mod. Me and. 916x10 just traded files and that's what he came up with. He didnt mean to not give proper credit because he probably didn't know it was jrw 28s mods. I never told him because idk, guess i just didnt yhink about it. He just wanted to share it probably because he thought others would enjoy it. So sorry I didn't mean to not give credit where it was due! So so so sorry!!!!
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Thanks for setting things straight..
lol @916, who knew that just posting a few screenshots would cause something like this..
But, it's a good lesson for everyone: Dev's, your ****'s not safe if you share it.. Modders, be careful what you "borrow".. and bystanders and end-users, beware!!

Deliberate said:
Omg guys im sorry. It was me. I used parts from lithium on ATRIX blaze v3. Cause I did like blazes lockscreen. I did port over the battery mod. But I can't remember where from. I apologize for not asking permission before doing this. At the time I didn't see any harm. Everything in my mod is JRW 28 except the battery mod. Me and. 916x10 just traded files and that's what he came up with. He didnt mean to not give proper credit because he probably didn't know it was jrw 28s mods. I never told him because idk, guess i just didnt yhink about it. He just wanted to share it probably because he thought others would enjoy it. So sorry I didn't mean to not give credit where it was due! So so so sorry!!!!
Sorry to u as well 916x10 didn't think u would get so much crap for this.
Also he never gave me credit for creating the mods he just said when he flashed my zip that's the outcome.
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I didn't think anything of it to be honest, was just letting others know the outcome of running mods not specifically for the one I'm running. Never imagined I'd need to get anyone's permission to do so. It was not my intention to step on any toes or throw anyone under the bus, I apologize to any and all who felt I did either to them.

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I didn't think anything of it to be honest, was just letting others know the outcome of running mods not specifically for the one I'm running. Never imagined I'd need to get anyone's permission to do so. It was not my intention to step on any toes or throw anyone under the bus, I apologize to any and all who felt I did either to them.
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i didnt think it was a big deal either... :/

alteredlikeness said:
Thanks for setting things straight..
lol @916, who knew that just posting a few screenshots would cause something like this..
But, it's a good lesson for everyone: Dev's, your ****'s not safe if you share it.. Modders, be careful what you "borrow".. and bystanders and end-users, beware!!
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Yep, from now on i'm going to ask permission before I download anything posted for public consumption on a public forum I could understand if I didn't list his ROM, his name, at all in my OP, or if I cooked up a rom of my own and used his work without giving him credit, but none of that happened so his overreaction is unexplainable. Gotta be more to it but i'm done giving this any energy. Thanks for the mods JRW 28!

I think the point here is, is that we need to post the creator of the mod for every mod we use of were going to post screen shots and in some cases we should ask if we can use it. I see his point and it can look like your taking credit for it. I dont think that was your intention but its better to be safe than sorry. Were a community of devs, users and people that just want a freakin awesome phone. Lets be as respectful as possible. In the end, ITS ONLY A PHONE!.
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DarkJatrix said:
I think the point here is, is that we need to post the creator of the mod for every mod we use of were going to post screen shots and in some cases we should ask if we can use it. I see his point and it can look like your taking credit for it. I dont think that was your intention but its better to be safe than sorry. Were a community of devs, users and people that just want a freakin awesome phone. Lets be as respectful as possible. In the end, ITS ONLY A PHONE!.
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I completely agree with u a.d I too understand where he's coming from. I just don't understand why he made such a fuss over it.

Deliberate said:
I completely agree with u a.d I too understand where he's coming from. I just don't understand why he made such a fuss over it.
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To some people this is a huge deal (modding phones) and it is probably a respect situation. Either way, its done now. We shall move on.
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Hello guys!
Just wonder - can you share this great battery mod? At least just image files for all the hexagons with numbers? It's really great and I would like to add them to my setup.
Greetings from russian Atrix 2 community
UPD: Never mind, have already found it in the Lithium thread.