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Make your Android Free of Ad's in apps and increase Browser loading times.*Updated 6/2/2012*
-First off remove the ".zip" Extension (Had to add it to upload here)
-Next transfer to device's SD Card.
-Move to the System/etc folder via Root Explorer or equivalent and overwrite the existing host file.
-Change Permissions to rw-r-r and reboot.
-Enjoy an Ad Free Experience
-This Will Also Make Your PC Ad Free (If You Tether). No More Loading Useless Add's, In Turn Speeding up PC Browser Loading Times Using Less Bandwidth!
*To revert back, just delete my Host file and reboot. The OS will rewrite the original.
I will add to this file as I come across newer Ad's
*Yes This Can Be Done With Several App's, But I like My Space and Free Ram*
(Tinker, Tinker, Tinker, That's What It's All About)
Awesome, willl have to do this once my phone arrives. However, do you actually mean Reduce browser loading times??
Or one could use full-featured, easy apps from the Market such as AdAway or Adfree Android...
Sorry i just cant sit in front of a pc/Linux all day i have a job to go to. Saturdays are my only day for android. If i do it then. Not worth my time i can just do stuff for me and the old lady, not sure what your deal with me is but im not signing on to see these comments. Ill keep my work personL.....in other news samsungs half ics is working well.
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not sure what your deal with me is but im not signing on to see these comments
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What? I think you're taking... whatever it is that it appears that I'm doing, way too personally. Chill out.
Hey, the good news about this thread is that k0nane suggested adfree android, which literally took 15 seconds to get up and running, and is a nifty little tweak!
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Or one could use full-featured, easy apps from the Market such as AdAway or Adfree Android...
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Apologies to OP, but quick Adfree Android question: is there documentation for it somewhere? I checked out bigtincan.com and it doesn't have anything, and on the Android Market^H^H^H Google Play site there's very little by way of documentation. I think it just did its job, but it presents a lot of choices and it would be good to know what they all do.
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Apologies to OP, but quick Adfree Android question: is there documentation for it somewhere? I checked out bigtincan.com and it doesn't have anything, and on the Android Market^H^H^H Google Play site there's very little by way of documentation. I think it just did its job, but it presents a lot of choices and it would be good to know what they all do.
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Adaway is actually a little easier to use, I recommend that one
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k0nane said:
Or one could use full-featured, easy apps from the Market such as AdAway or Adfree Android...
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Is there a specific reason your being so rude? Or are you feeling insecure that there is another bad ass dev coming out with fixes. or is it your just that stuck up and must have all the likes. Last I heard Android is open source and last I checked we were all supposed to help one another not point out each others down falls or pick at them. Your rude and have my word that I would never support you and your obnoxious mouth. </rant> good day sir
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Is there a specific reason your being so rude? Or are you feeling insecure that there is another bad ass dev coming out with fixes. or is it that just that your just that stuck up and must have all the likes. Last I heard Android is open source and last I checked we were all supposed to help one another not point out each others down falls or pick at them. Your rude and have my word that I would never support you and your obnoxious mouth. </rant> good day sir
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Do you really think that k0nane's post was rude? Really? It is just another way to accomplish the same thing. That dude gave us root. That in itself is way more than most have offered.
I thank everyone for the work they're putting in for this device, but to say that his post was rude is reaching a bit. He just gave another option, and it is a good one.
We're all on the same team.
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Do you really think that k0nane's post was rude? Really? It is just another way to accomplish the same thing. That dude gave us root. That in itself is way more than most have offered.
I thank everyone for the work they're putting in for this device, but to say that his post was rude is reaching a bit. He just gave another option, and it is a good one.
We're all on the same team.
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Yep and the same man helped him on his journey of getting the root. I feel the man is acting childish following him around and under minding his every turn. Same team.... I thought. But with this crap going on..... Just because he achived root doesn't give him rights to act like a snob.
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Yep and the same man helped him on his journey of getting the root. I feel the man is acting childish following him around and under minding his every turn. Same team.... I thought. But with this crap going on..... Just because he achived root doesn't give him rights to act like a snob.
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But what it comes down to, is that he gave a simple answer to what was being addressed in the thread, right?
I don't care who helps who getting what in the scheme of things.
I'm a beggar and not a chooser at this point so I gotta love those that are giving to the community. Whoo devs!
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But what it comes down to, is that he gave a simple answer to what was being addressed in the thread, right?
I don't care who helps who getting what in the scheme of things.
I'm a beggar and not a chooser at this point so I gotta love those that are giving to the community. Whoo devs!
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So has anyone here in general tried out the Noble rom?
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Is there a specific reason your being so rude? Or are you feeling insecure that there is another bad ass dev coming out with fixes. or is it your just that stuck up and must have all the likes. Last I heard Android is open source and last I checked we were all supposed to help one another not point out each others down falls or pick at them. Your rude and have my word that I would never support you and your obnoxious mouth. </rant> good day sir
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badass dev? when is he coming?
anyways in all seriousness the point that k0nane was trying to make i believe was fully justified. by using nicks tweak you rely on him updating it, which from the looks of it... doesnt seem to be happening. what does android being open source have to do with helping or not helping? as far as i can see there was an alternative given thats all, no different than if i made a huge giant post about how to use alogcat and get your msl. which works fine but there is an easier way of just using getprop.
so far from what ive seen of this community is a bunch of crying on how there are no roms/kernels etc. we had one blaze owner in teh irc for teh longest time. helping with root/recovery and whenever starskyrob had a moment to test his rom. everyone claims to want cm7/cm9/aokp/ics yet i havent seen anyone except (forgive me for misspelling your name if i did) dr4stic even try to compile. if you want good things to happen to your device then you need to step forward, look into rom development, learn how to compile the kernel from source. if you cant/arent willing to put the time in then find someone who is ive mentioned all around this forum no dev is gunna give up their high end device to go buy and work on the blaze.
myself and k0nane are on sprint it just happened to be that we like to go around and help phones that dont seem like they are gunna get the big name treatment. i tweeted at my buddy mikeyinid (we worked together on the nexus s back in the day) see if he wouldnt mind helping you guys on out...
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badass dev? when is he coming?
anyways in all seriousness the point that k0nane was trying to make i believe was fully justified. by using nicks tweak you rely on him updating it, which from the looks of it... doesnt seem to be happening. what does android being open source have to do with helping or not helping? as far as i can see there was an alternative given thats all, no different than if i made a huge giant post about how to use alogcat and get your msl. which works fine but there is an easier way of just using getprop.
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And that is 100% respected. I am not only talking Bout this post, rather all of his post that have followed one of nicks. I am glad you guys helped. But that doesn't give the right to treat others in a condescending manner. Nick has done amazing work on the vibrant and now has this phone and wad helping this man. Once the man got what he needed ( because like you stated, he nor you have the device) he was out. Then started treating him like this. Shabby, problem wasn't with you. I just had to step in and defend nick because he is a bad ass dev.
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I personally think a lot of the problem is the average user's interpretation of T-mobile sales reps.
I mean, I knew the S2 had a very large rom community especially because it's a very popular phone. I was led to believe by T-mobile that the phone is pretty much just an S2, but with a smaller size screen.
If you compare the phone's features and specifications, you'd be a fool to not agree.
But as it turns out, as it pertains to roms, nothing could be further from the truth.
Shame on us, the average user, for not realizing the golden rules with salespeople:
1: They'll tell you what you want to hear.
2: Most of the time they don't know what they are talking about anyway.
3: Often times when you need to buy a phone, you've not exactly been planning on it, so you have to do it hastily. This was certainly true for me.
4: Custom roms are of course never able to be supported or recognized by the carriers, they pretty much pretend they don't exist, and for good reason. Most people aren't really careful enough to be doing it, even for the "simple" methods.
5: Rom maker's ability to communicate instructions is not always clear, and yes, this can have a detrimental impact to a person, especially if they are not experienced with the process. Seriously, half of the roms I've looked at for Android phones have glaring instruction errors, and even if it gets pointed out by another person, rather than update their instructions they'll just reply, "Yeah, sorry about that" The problem is, that clarification is often times on the 40th page of the thread. Sigh.
6: And this is my number one reason........
A lot more people should be getting more and more fed up with carriers who impose limitations on phones. Seriously, if it wasn't for all this carrier and manufacturer ego-wagging, the user experience would be better for both the tweaker crowd, and the stock crowd.
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badass dev? when is he coming?
anyways in all seriousness the point that k0nane was trying to make i believe was fully justified. by using nicks tweak you rely on him updating it, which from the looks of it... doesnt seem to be happening. what does android being open source have to do with helping or not helping? as far as i can see there was an alternative given thats all, no different than if i made a huge giant post about how to use alogcat and get your msl. which works fine but there is an easier way of just using getprop.
so far from what ive seen of this community is a bunch of crying on how there are no roms/kernels etc. we had one blaze owner in teh irc for teh longest time. helping with root/recovery and whenever starskyrob had a moment to test his rom. everyone claims to want cm7/cm9/aokp/ics yet i havent seen anyone except (forgive me for misspelling your name if i did) dr4stic even try to compile. if you want good things to happen to your device then you need to step forward, look into rom development, learn how to compile the kernel from source. if you cant/arent willing to put the time in then find someone who is ive mentioned all around this forum no dev is gunna give up their high end device to go buy and work on the blaze.
myself and k0nane are on sprint it just happened to be that we like to go around and help phones that dont seem like they are gunna get the big name treatment. i tweeted at my buddy mikeyinid (we worked together on the nexus s back in the day) see if he wouldnt mind helping you guys on out...
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I appreciate the help with root and CWM but not the comments that follow all of mine. I have Saturdays to work with this device, so I am limited with time. I got to the point where I felt like baking for my wife and I ...= less drama. Ill be more than happy to post a "bootable , Functional Rom. But it will be redirected here: http://www.android-engineering.com/index.php
Sorry I can't sit here 24/7 I work 6 day's a week and spend the extra time with my 3 kids. I got to a point where I was neglecting my fam and was staying on the PC trying to keep up with 5 Rom's. Something had to give. What am I not updating? Is there a need? This will be put into my rom instead of an extra app. If something needs updating when I update a rom it will be done with each release. If it is unappreciated just delete the thread.
alright, its clear. i cant speak for k0nane but i can for myself. the hitsquad attempts to help devices get off teh ground but it doesnt seem like that is much wanted round here. so my apologies but ill go ahead and remove this forum from my daily loadup macro.
im keeping the cwm thread open and source up on my github for any future devs that wish it. i hope no hard feelings and best of luck to you all
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alright, its clear. i cant speak for k0nane but i can for myself. the hitsquad attempts to help devices get off teh ground but it doesnt seem like that is much wanted round here. so my apologies but ill go ahead and remove this forum from my daily loadup macro.
im keeping the cwm thread open and source up on my github for any future devs that wish it. i hope no hard feelings and best of luck to you all
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This. My threads will remain open as well.
I can't control how anyone interprets what I write - and that's all I'm going to say on the matter. Blaze owners, enjoy your devices, and best of luck, as Shabby said.
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Hi guys,
I am looking to add the touch flo cube on to my friend HTC TyTn II for him.
I understand that his one came unlocked and he likes his current firmwire that came with it with his operator settings.
Therefore, i am wondering if it is possible to add the Touch Flo gesture and cube without having to do hardspl or any other steps require to add software to the phone.
Is it possible just to add the 2 cab's for these two peices of software and install them on to the phone via the memory card?
Advice would be appriciated massively as i really do not want to mess his phone up.
Thanks in advance
Jason
You have 200+ posts, 6 phones, been around for 9 months and you're still asking questions that we'd expect from a 10 post n00b?
Go search for your answer... Someone should remove your senior status
Oh, while you're at it, listen to http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting... I've done some additional research only to discover that you have 29 selfishly written threads begging for answers when I'm sure you could have just asked on an existing thread or searched for...
hi there, thats for your reply.
i dont have 6 phones, i have 1. I'm trying to help my friends which are new to the scene as well.
i do ask question, and through your research, i answer questions that you may consider "noobish" for people who just joined as well.
not everyone has strong computer literacy you. I appricate your help, but if your just going to flame someone next time, i would rather you turn a blind eye to my questions.
thanks again for your help.
jason
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what i want wondering is if it is possible to add "TFloCube" and "FTouchFlo Configurator" on to the TyTnII via .cab and if there is a need to use hardspl.
this is what i would like to add
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therefore, are there .cab's to add TFloCube?
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through your research, i answer questions that you may consider "noobish" for people who just joined as well.
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The only helpful reply you've had in the last 50 posts is when you told a guy to go search and read the wiki. It's advice you should follow yourself.
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I appricate your help, but if your just going to flame someone next time, i would rather you turn a blind eye to my questions.
thanks again for your help.
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You are in serious need of flaming as you've got to be the biggest repeat offender I've ever seen on this forum.
Your only saving grace is that you seem to have good manners by always saying your 'please' and 'thank you'...
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The only helpful reply you've had in the last 50 posts is when you told a guy to go search and read the wiki. It's advice you should follow yourself.
You are in serious need of flaming as you've got to be the biggest repeat offender I've ever seen on this forum.
Your only saving grace is that you seem to have good manners by always saying your 'please' and 'thank you'...
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i have been helping people when they PM me as well. I have also been email people with .cab's.
what is your problem? i obviously need help thats why i post. I still havent found the .cab's which i need. arent forums a place you go to, to find help? As i said, not every one has strong computer literacy like you, why dont you give people a break?
i'll take it that your having a bad day mate. why not we just stop it here before it get immature.
if someone could people tell me what i want to do is possible ( add touch flo cube via .cab's without the need of flashing a new rom) i would appriciate it very much.
thanks, jason
Use this, works fine on my Kaiser.
http://www.4winmobile.com/forums/ph...-cube-should-work-any-wm6-device-cabfile.html
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Use this, works fine on my Kaiser.
http://www.4winmobile.com/forums/ph...-cube-should-work-any-wm6-device-cabfile.html
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thanks James!
Alex, i did not know this exsisted, i was thinking that i needed cabs exacted from rom's that are currently avalible and it is the synergy in a forum where better applications can be found though knowledge of others.
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thanks James!
Alex, i did not know this exsisted, i was thinking that i needed cabs exacted from rom's that are currently avalible and it is the synergy in a forum where better applications can be found though knowledge of others.
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So this means you'll update the wiki with the link and the images you've posted, so you can continue contributing to benefit everyone?
no i wont alex. only someone will good knowledge should update the wiki. if someone asked me or posted a thread about this as well. i would simply give them the URL james gave me.
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Use this, works fine on my Kaiser.
http://www.4winmobile.com/forums/ph...-cube-should-work-any-wm6-device-cabfile.html
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It works so good! Love it..
Just one thing, this touchflo cube is verry sensitive! More than the normal touch cube.
check my movie
cube movie
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=cTjZaSrzD_A
lol almost flashed my phone (htc herald)
someone please post the cube.cab. the download link from 4winmobile is deat. it say :Linkid 119 does not exist
thanks
wildcard13 said:
someone please post the cube.cab. the download link from 4winmobile is deat. it say :Linkid 119 does not exist
thanks
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check out the last post in that thread, it gets you to another, updated thread.
Helped Me!
Thanks for the question and answer.
Had lost interest, but will try again!!!
No question to insignificant!
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I swear down,
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Feel better??
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Feel better??
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hardy har har bruv. Fact of the matter this place is full of idiots that are alot more rude and obnoxious because they are behind a screen. If they spoke to everyone offline like they do on, they would be walking around with black eyes.
Ive never understood why a grown adult would speak to someone online without the same manners and respect they would offline.
We all encounter people less techincial than us. Some many even be actually stupid. Thats no reason to talk down to them like they are a piece of dirt.
regardless of the fact they may ask annoying questions, you should feel honored someone wants to try your creation on their device. It should be very satisfying to know someone is getting real benefit from something you did, and trusted you enough to risk breaking their expensive gadget.
In any case, meh. Im slowly learning what I need to learn to flash my device, without asking many questions. I may even cook my own rom eventually. I respect the fact that there are many gueniwine and lovely people on this forum who get annoyed but that doesnt hide the fact that some are just total dicks.
My motto is never say anything to someone online that you wouldn't be brave enough to say to their face.
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hardy har har bruv. Fact of the matter this place is full of idiots that are alot more rude and obnoxious because they are behind a screen. If they spoke to everyone offline like they do on, they would be walking around with black eyes.
My motto is never say anything to someone online that you wouldn't be brave enough to say to their face.
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Same as my motto, but you still see what I've been saying. Just do a search of my posts.
I think someone should ban you and kick you out. If you're not happy with how XDA is being, just get out of here.
Why you need to learn more is here (since you're not reading my signature links)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2031989&postcount=44 said:
By Kyphur,
I think what a lot of people forget is that this is not a "make my phone neat & kewl" place.
As implied by the name this is technically a Developers forum/community.
Now what does that mean? Well first off it means that there is an expectation that if you are here then you want to customize your device but rather than just installing something that someone packaged you want to understand how it works and maybe even enhance it yourself.
When I first came here with a Blue Angel it was a different environment. PDA Phones were not embraced by the general public because of the expense and complexity (I paid over $400 for my BA). A $400 phone 4 years ago was expensive, today the Tilt is $300 after rebates but with inflation & the rise in the cost of other devices and the fact that there are other sources out there giving them away for $150 our neat bit of kit has become popular with mainstream users.
Now we have a flood of new users who are asking not "How can I do this myself" but more like "Give me the quick fix" without caring to understand the process. See if you read the threads then you get to experience the learning process, you see how the issues were investigated and confirmed. Then you get to watch the different attempts at resolution and learn why some failed while others worked. That is called Development.
The NooB backlash is coming from users who have walked in the development shoes and is directed mainly at those who don't care for the journey but just want the end result or destination.
As a Development Forum we are just as much (if not more) about the journey. I've read so many comments like "I don't have time to read all of the threads" or "I don't care how it works, just that it does". These very statements are contrary to the heart & soul of XDA-Devs and that is why the backlash is so strong.
Let me be very clear on this: IF YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT UNDERSTANDING THE JOURNEY THEN YOU PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
XDA-Devs is about developers & hackers helping each other and working together to get the most out of our devices by understanding them better than most.
XDA-Devs is not about helping everyone who wants a "Kewl bit of kit" make their phone better than the guy next to him.
Now do we go kicking users off who never contribute anything, NO. We tolerate it to an extent. Where the toleration ends is when these users start diluting the usefulness of the forum by repeating the same questions over and over again.
You ask us to understand your position. Well if you want to benefit from our experience and time then I think it is only fair that you understand our position.
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hardy har har bruv. Fact of the matter this place is full of idiots that are alot more rude and obnoxious because they are behind a screen. If they spoke to everyone offline like they do on, they would be walking around with black eyes.
Ive never understood why a grown adult would speak to someone online without the same manners and respect they would offline.
We all encounter people less techincial than us. Some many even be actually stupid. Thats no reason to talk down to them like they are a piece of dirt.
regardless of the fact they may ask annoying questions, you should feel honored someone wants to try your creation on their device. It should be very satisfying to know someone is getting real benefit from something you did, and trusted you enough to risk breaking their expensive gadget.
In any case, meh. Im slowly learning what I need to learn to flash my device, without asking many questions. I may even cook my own rom eventually. I respect the fact that there are many gueniwine and lovely people on this forum who get annoyed but that doesnt hide the fact that some are just total dicks.
My motto is never say anything to someone online that you wouldn't be brave enough to say to their face.
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Well it happened 2 years ago, so it's all in the past .
Ta
Dave
Gtab gingerbread video drivers
Do these have to come from nvidia?
Speaking as a person who knows absolutely nothing about anything, it would seem to me that if all these marvelous roms can be developed by the guys who call themselves "Devs", then these same dudes should be able to code video drivers for gingerbread simply by porting over the existing froyo ones (which work marvelously by the way).
I'm sure you are not all lazy. You just haven't thought of this idea yet.
No need to thank me. Your welcome!
Well it was nice knowing you
crutzulee said:
Do these have to come from nvidia?
Speaking as a person who knows absolutely nothing about anything, it would seem to me that if all these marvelous roms can be developed by the guys who call themselves "Devs", then these same dudes should be able to code video drivers for gingerbread simply by porting over the existing froyo ones (which work marvelously by the way).
I'm sure you are not all lazy. You just haven't thought of this idea yet.
No need to thank me. Your welcome!
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Toss out some more wisdom.. I'm currently rounding up the easter bunny, a couple unicorns, and at least a dozen leprechauns and we're forming a development team. We're awaiting your next command.. EB will out for a few weeks due to some scheduling issues and a nasty NDA lawsuit/tieup with the lollipop guild. But we'll get it done!
spoke to madhatter and cheshire cat. they promised GB &HC nvidia drivers by midnight.
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This calls for a double facepalm
Wow. Just wow. Is it bad that I'm anxiously awaiting the flaming?
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This calls for a double facepalm
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Quoted for truth.
I've seen decompiled drivers. It haunts my dreams.
I guess these Gingy drivers are the new Honeycomb.
Closing this before it gets WAY out of hand.
Ok so my last thread got closed down...... but not before some entertaining responses.
But I understand that not everyone gets my sense of humour (take my wife....please)-sorry couldn't help myself..from now on this thread will be SERIOUS- devoid of humour.
The original question remains. Do we need Nvidia for these drivers?
Can the existing froyo ones be used to fashion gingerbread drivers or is that completely out of the question?
Someone alluded to an NDA? Does this make such an undertaking illegal? If so then the idea is dead in the water...enough said.
If it is do-able, then I, as one who is unskilled, would like to spearhead the collection to make an offering to the developer(s) who can make this happen.
So...thoughts?
SERIOUS DISCUSSION ONLY!
Can you please link to the other thread you were talking about? I'd like to read it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1038462
Here you go.....
@goodintentions
Oh, my old friend. Good to see you back and stirring the pot again.
So I think it is possible for people who aren't Nvidia to write these drivers. I'm an Ubuntu user and I know that I use open source drivers all the time, written by the community. However, I do think that much is needed from the original hardware manufactures in order for those drivers to be written. Thats what we haven't received from Nvidia yet. However, in my couple of years with Android ROMs and watching forums, I've never seen anyone write drivers for any phone or tablet. True, I could have missed something. I think that writing a driver for a printer and writing a driver for 3D acceleration are a bit of a different animal. Could they? Maybe. But if they could, don't you think they would have?
I'd love 3D on the Tab for Gingerbread, but I'm willing to be patient and not harass these fine people who bring us such awesome software.
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Ok so my last thread got closed down...... but not before some entertaining responses.
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And as for you...you salty dog. You better watch yourself or you'll get banned before you can say, well, Gingerbread drivers! The discussion is welcome, I'm sure, but keep in mind that the devs can only work with what they are given. Let's help and give feedback rather than starting a good ol' fashioned Jim Leahy ****storm.
Notwithstanding my use of the devil Smiley, and my admitting that I know nothing about anything, I thought (wrongly) that my post was obviously tongue in cheek.
I have to admit I spit out my coffee this morning laughing at some of the responses but as has been established, I am a wee bit twisted.
I was surprised that the thread was closed and would really be shocked if I was banned!
Not to get sidetracked....this thread is meant to be SERIOUS. So community made drivers don't break NDA? Can code from the available froyo drivers be used?
If a dev finds my questions annoying. Let me know.
I am aware of how lucky we are to have them despite my failed attempt at humour.
Ok, all joking aside. Its a fair question. Code here and there can be tweaked to suit our needs, so why not drivers? How about you dive in and make it happen? My guess is that the way Gingerbread interacts with the kernel interacts other the drivers is lightyears away from the way Froyo plays. At least that's what's I've taken away from the discussions about Gingerbread. I think it is a matter that takes more intervention from Nvidia than we realize. Again, if it was doable I think that a dev would have piped up and said that they were at least working on the issue. Right now our best bet is letting Nvidia know by kindly emailing that there is a user base eager for drivers. Gently. And leave the devs alone. Really. And the banning thing is for real. Remember that you're here essentially for free, and so is their work.
So donate! And write us some damn drivers so that others can donate to you!
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Notwithstanding my use of the devil Smiley, and my admitting that I know nothing about anything, I thought (wrongly) that my post was obviously tongue in cheek.
I have to admit I spit out my coffee this morning laughing at some of the responses but as has been established, I am a wee bit twisted.
I was surprised that the thread was closed and would really be shocked if I was banned!
Not to get sidetracked....this thread is meant to be SERIOUS. So community made drivers don't break NDA? Can code from the available froyo drivers be used?
If a dev finds my questions annoying. Let me know.
I am aware of how lucky we are to have them despite my failed attempt at humour.
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Alright, I'm going to bite here.
1.) Regarding the comment about an NDA. nVidia has many patents on the technology that resides inside their drivers, as well as other technology that they don't want the outside world seeing. In Linux and with Android, they're just going to supply binaries, unless a partner signs an NDA, giving them access to the source code.
2.) All it takes is a slight change in the interaction between the kernel and the driver, to break it. Saying "just take the Froyo drivers and put them in Gingerbread" is severely understating the effort. If it were as easy as you think, it would have been done by now.
3.) Legally speaking, reverse engineering a driver, or decompiling code can break the DMCA law. I won't comment on my opinion of this law, but needless to say, the latest trouble the GeoHot got into over reverse engineering the PS3, speaks enough to the hesitation you'll find in people doing these things moving forward... at least in publishing them. The crime becomes even more severe the second a dev takes one of the "donations" setup here. Now they are profiting from the act.
4.) Both nVidia and AMD are starting to release open source drivers for their hardware in linux, but the open source drivers are much different than the closed source.
Lastly, this is just a comment. Look at how many people post here with issue of installing ROMs, just because they can't follow simple directions. Writing low level code for a kernel is not a simple task for people professionally code, let alone "enthusiasts". It takes an intimate knowledge of how linux works, then the subtleties of the changes Android has made to the kernel, then a lot of educated guesses and research, because all of the detailed specs and documentation just aren't made available to the enthusiasts.
End of the day, unless you're willing to fork over some serous cash to one of the devs on here, I wouldn't ask "why can't you just do this, you must not have thought of it, right?". Chances are, they are already 10 steps ahead of you and thought about that and quickly dismissed it, 6 months before you even knew what Android was.
Thanks h3llphyre for your response. You have made clear some of the things that I was uncertain about and was trying to get straight. Most importantly, that there are some legal issues surrounding what I am proposing and that the difficulty level may not make such an undertaking worthwhile.
Your last paragraph still leaves me greatly dismayed that I am greatly misunderstood.
Rest assured that I have donated to devs here and elswhere for their work and, as a person who cannot, greatly appreciate those who can.
My original post was meant to poke fun at those who come on here with a sense of entitlement demanding things like this. If you read other posts written by me in other threads you'd see this. Indeed if you re-read my original thread (with the devilish smiley) you'd see where I was coming from.
I felt like a looser that my original post was soooo misunderstood. I feel like an even bigger loser having to explain it.
Merging and reopening after receiving this from the OP....
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Hey Jerdog,
I THINK most people got my tongue in cheek humour in my thread about gingerbread video drivers being built from the ground up.
Did you really have to close the thread? Behind the humour was what I thought was a legitimate question.
Someone alluded to an NDA issue with this being done. I am fully aware that if these could be produced either easily or with some effort the devs here would do it.
My thread was an attempt to gain some understanding of how complex this undertaking would be. Could it be done? Would it break an NDA and thus be illegal? Is it just an onerous task where the unskillled (like myself) could donate money and be available for beta testing for a dev willing to undertake it.
Could the thread be re-opened with this PM pasted in for those that don't get or appreciate my brand of humour?
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@jerdog
You're a saint. I'm glad there is some further explanation behind this thread. I think it is a good, if not inflammatory question.
This right here is why people think poorly of the devs and why people leave.
Taking your ball and leaving and in the process removing a thread because of butthurt. I was hoping after you guys realized thrashing on a fourteen year old kid in that other thread is not acceptable and shows how immature the whole lot of you are, you would stop.
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he wasn't attacking me in that post, but it did get out of hand.
Read:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24175376&postcount=16
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24196352&postcount=45
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24196941&postcount=46
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24197277&postcount=47
If you still don't get why developers leave this forum, you lose.
Spending time trying to wrangle the forums and keep our threads clean is the reason you don't have MIUI or CM-anything.
Respect.
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This right here is why people think poorly of the devs and why people leave.
Taking your ball and leaving and in the process removing a thread because of butthurt. I was hoping after you guys realized thrashing on a fourteen year old kid in that other thread is not acceptable and shows how immature the whole lot of you are, you would stop.
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1. Age doesn't matter.
2. What comes out of your mouth at any age is what matters.
3. Can you seriously stop with these posts dude, you talk big even reported me to the mods no? Leave Raver alone it's his thread if he wants to remove it, then it's his work to remove. You have no say in what he does and you don't know why he removed it so don't assume it's because he got butthurt.
Hopefully mods remove the thread and give you a strike.
Eollie
Most of us don't think poorly of devs at all. Quite the opposite actually. We think poorly of people like you who feel a need to stand on a soapbox and tell the rest of us how to act. If you feel that need as it seems you do maybe focus your energies elsewhere. Like Big Brother or some other such charity where you can impart your moral and social ideas on someone who may actually give a ****. The rest of us here are adults, including airfluip, and will act how we feel accordingly. I fully stand behind Bryan and Raver. To coin an old line "If your not part of the solution your part of the problem."
@bryan cool you know how to copy and paste. Actually the fact you cant ignore the noise and just focus is why we dont have the roms like other phones. When you guys have bad days you come here and thrash people for whatever reason you can find.
@erikmm You are correct age has nothing to do with anything. Until a grown man starts berating a child. If this was something being done in public place there would be people like me stepping in telling the grown ass man to shut up and act like a adult. Yes the child would be corrected too but you cant expect do as I say not as I do.
@hechoen There are more people that have left this place based on the reaction of the current developers than you would even care to believe. Look at the devs that have left. Read their threads. You dont see them posting things like have been posted in the past four months. Whitehawkx just stopped posting period he ignored the noise and did what he did best and develop. I truly believe if you cant ignore the noise then you shouldnt be trying to develop period. This happens every where. Doesnt matter if you get paid or not. Either do it because you like it or dont do it at all.
I wish I had better options when I bought my phone. I only bought this phone because it appeared to have better development than the other options I found at the time. I count the days until I can get a different phone. And Im sure most of you are counting them with me.
Thanks for treating me like everyone else hechoen.
Sent from my SGH-T959V using xda premium
eollie said:
This right here is why people think poorly of the devs and why people leave.
Taking your ball and leaving and in the process removing a thread because of butthurt.
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Eollie, you're a twit.
The only way you'd possibly be right would be... oh, wait, nevermind... there isn't a way.
I come back to the forums less and less. I stopped testing new roms, stopped providing feedback, not because of the attitude of the devs, but because of the same BS that leads up to threads like the one you posted.
These guys come in here and do their thing for free mostly, because they can, and because they like to do it.
Then they get crapped on and it stops being fun.
I have my own side gigs and hobbies, and when people start demanding I change this or that, in work I freely created for my own enjoyment, they get a lot worse treatment from me than these forums have seen from the developers.
I can empathize with them...
It's their hobby, their fun, if someone doesn't like what they produce, or the speed at which they produce it, then that someone needs to do it themselves.
Study, learn, and crank out their own stuff, the way they want it, and then let's see how they like the *****fest that happens around here...
People don't leave because the devs are being dickish, the devs leave because 'Joe User' is being dickish.
Don't forget where you are, when I look at the top of the page I see XDA-Developers. Not XDA-Whinyassdemandingendusers.
@Bryan, I was happy to see you come back, but I wouldn't have a single harsh thing to say if you packed up and left again.
@Raver - if you're still reading over here... I enjoyed your work, and remember, Joke 'em if they can't take a f*.
I wrote this post before clicking on all of Bryan's links... now I realize I was being redundant, but screw it, I wrote it, and I'm still PO'd enough to think it's needs said again.
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I count the days until I can get a different phone.
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Trust me so do we. Hell I might even start a "Get eollie a New Phone Thread"
We should really lock this thread.
It is going to become a flame war.
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@erikmm You are correct age has nothing to do with anything. Until a grown man starts berating a child. If this was something being done in public place there would be people like me stepping in telling the grown ass man to shut up and act like a adult. Yes the child would be corrected too but you cant expect do as I say not as I do.
I wish I had better options when I bought my phone. I only bought this phone because it appeared to have better development than the other options I found at the time. I count the days until I can get a different phone. And Im sure most of you are counting them with me.
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I agree with this post completely I am that same exact guy and yes. It probably was my fault for getting MIUI closed because I was sticking up for someone but I guess that's not the appropriate thing to do when someone tells someone else to GTFO. But now I have to "think" before I say something because someone told me to.. hmm.
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@Core618 flame on dude.
If you think I dont appreciate the time and effort put into what is done then you are wrong. I do. Just because this is xda-developers doesnt mean the developers have the right to act like butthurt little tards.
If your not disgusted at how grown men trashed a fourteen year old kid then something is wrong with you. Leading by example and teaching is what they should have been doing. Instead it resorted to banning him from irc and then coming to xda to talk trash on him. Today because somebody had a bad day/night they pick up and start it again. Then when somebody steps up and says something in defense they get trashed and lo and behold the miui thread is closed..
For anyone else wanting to flame me for calling raver out for being a whiny ***** go ahead. It just shows how the lemmings will follow along. How does it feel to be a lemming?
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For anyone else wanting to flame me for calling raver out for being a whiny ***** go ahead. It just shows how the lemmings will follow along. How does it feel to be a lemming?
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That's not true, you're only a lemming if you join in not knowing what it's all about.
Most of the people bashing you have a brain of their own, and read your needless thread and said to themselves "He's wrong."
Lastly, and i do mean last post, this is a dev community where people post their work not your own personal diary where you write what you think is right or wrong. If you want to do that then go here: http://www.melodramatic.com/
No one is talking **** to airfluip, we are just telling him to not go off topic and respect others.
Bye eTROLLie hopefully you get a job soon that can help you afford that new phone and make you go away from this one.
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Trust me so do we. Hell I might even start a "Get eollie a New Phone Thread"
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LMFAO, dude your gmail is peck blower? hahah now i see why you're mad
sorry about posting again after i said i wasnt but that was too funny.
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That's not true, you're only a lemming if you join in not knowing what it's all about.
Most of the people bashing you have a brain of their own, and read your needless thread and said to themselves "He's wrong."
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Funny how the only people telling me Im wrong have been the same lemmings that follow raver from thread to thread fawning his ego, same group that follows every move bryan makes.
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No one is talking **** to airfluip, we are just telling him to not go off topic and respect others.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24357380&postcount=1053
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24357744&postcount=1055
Both of those are from today. Here is on from the other thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24195252&postcount=13
There was many more but they were deleted. Again this isnt just about airflip. Its general tired of devs taking out their frustration on people and we are suppose to allow it. I didnt see one person tell bryan,raver, or fb they werent acting like adults until I posted how immature they were acting. There was many of you posting how airfilp was acting like a kid.
Also good to see you scrapping to find something to trash me about...its original too.
actually this is the reason i locked the thread because it was getting off topic....
u all wanna flame eatch other go ahead i dont care dont do it in my threads got it ok then.
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actually this is the reason i locked the thread because it was getting off topic....
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...lets see how many people will accept this.
I dont. Its been off-topic so many times and mods have had to clean it up.
I cant wait to see how the sgs2 people react when you act like a whiny ass while developing on that donated phone... I for one would be pissed if I donated money for a dev to get a phone only to have him/her respond like you do.
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...lets see how many people will accept this.
I dont. Its been off-topic so many times and mods have had to clean it up.
I cant wait to see how the sgs2 people react when you act like a whiny ass while developing on that donated phone... I for one would be pissed if I donated money for a dev to get a phone only to have him/her respond like you do.
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your not even worth the forum space
ya and considering i already gave them 2 versions of ics aosp and touchwiz de bloated lol i think there pretty ok with the way i act
Like the majority of us here, I love modding my phone to fit my personal taste/preference at any given time. Ever since I flashed VictoryROM I have been in love with most of it, felt it just needed a few more visual tweaks. With help from XDA member Deliberate I was able to get said tweaks done, and was pleasantly surprised to get a few other I didn't ask for but wanted. Let me know what you think.
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Running GoLauncher w/custom icons, custom signal bars from Alteredlikeness, custom battery and status bar clock from Deliberate, DIGI Clock widget
Deliberate's battery mod also changed the settings menu slightly...the check marks and check boxes are a little larger. Running the inverted settings.apk theme courtesty of JRW 28 for his LithiumROM...works like a charm on VictoryROM
Alteredlikeness' status bar mod also came with the custom drop down toggles seen here. Deliberate's battery mod, originally for LithiumROM, also changed the color of the text in the notification bar to blue. I like it!
Another side effect of Deliberate's mod is the lockscreen, pretty much the same as the one in VictoryROM except for the ICS blue glow around the unlock and sound circles. Wasn't expecting this but like it alot.
I wish you could have seen me when I noticed this, the skinny ICS themed volume sliders and the ICS blue glow around the pop up box as in LithiumROM, my reaction would have you thinking I just won the lottery or something, LoL.
I've had this transparent blue XDA app for a long time now, since I had my SE X10i, fits perfectly with my theme! But noticed another pleasant surprise due to flashing the mod from Deliberate....the page loading animation. It used to look like an overgrown circular saw blade, looks much better now!
Just a couple more screenshots of my transparent blue XDA app with the ICS blue theme at the top, again courtesy of Deliberates mod.
I appreciate the work of the guys listed above and am loving my current setup thanks to you. It's nice to be able to run the ROM I prefer, yet still have some theme work and mods from other ROMs that I like as well. Can't thank you guys enough.
The last thing I need to make my setup perfect is to get the reboot option in the extended power menu.
Looks good, the inverted setting wasnt the only thing borrowed. Thats my framework-res as well. That's where your spinner, colored clock,lockscreen, and ICS style sliders come from.
It would be nice to have been at least asked to have been used. It took a lot of time for me to get this the way it is and not on any other Roms on the A2........
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Looks good, the inverted setting wasnt the only thing borrowed. Thats my framework-res as well. That's where your spinner, colored clock,lockscreen, and ICS style sliders come from.
It would be nice to have been at least asked to have been used. It took a lot of time for me to get this the way it is and not on any other Roms on the A2........
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Here we go again
You seem to be of the impression that I pilfered your ROM and salvaged what I wanted. When the reality of what happened was someone posted a battery mod for your ROM and I simply flashed it on my phone. I was unaware the other mods this consisted of until I flashed it. So rest assured I am not trying to claim your work as mine or trying to pick your ROM apart for the features I want on the one I run, I took a chance at flashing a mod for your ROM that just so happened to work on mine. It's not like I'm a dev and cooking my own ROM and comprising it of your work without your permission, i'm just a member who likes trying different things and willing to chance it by flashing things intended for other ROMs to my phone with the hopes it works....sometimes it does, other times not so much. Since when do we as members need to ask permission to flash publicly posted mods to our devices? Where they do that at?
You know I never pointed a finger at you, but it took a lot of work to get what I did on my Rom and to see people using it without asking does get under my skin a little. So if this is gonna be how it is then I will just keep my work to myself........
I thought this was all sort of open-source..
And is it possible to put locks or passwords on your zip files if you don't want them picked apart - but still be flashable?
I don't think I've taken any of your theme mods JRW, just the 1% batteries for Victory at one time, and properly credited (though I've seen them in a thousand other ROMs, so I'm sure they are not "yours" yours)... But I got a lot of inspiration from other people's work and made it happen on my own as well..
So, this is why I'm gonna start from the ground up on my ROM. And maybe or maybe not share it.. And, be careful to credit properly if I do...
Nonetheless, looks nice 916, glad I could help you out...
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I thought this was all sort of open-source..
And is it possible to put locks or passwords on your zip files if you don't want them picked apart - but still be flashable?
I don't think I've taken any of your theme mods JRW, just the 1% batteries for Victory at one time, and properly credited (though I've seen them in a thousand other ROMs, so I'm sure they are not "yours" yours)... But I got a lot of inspiration from other people's work and made it happen on my own as well..
So, this is why I'm gonna start from the ground up on my ROM. And maybe or maybe not share it.. And, be careful to credit properly if I do...
Nonetheless, looks nice 916, glad I could help you out...
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If I really have to point put everything that was taken from Lithium I will. My point was it took a lot of my time to get the mods I did on my rom and for you to take them and distribute them as your own without even a thanks or asking is why we are here. This is open source, but credit os always given where it is due .....but you know what, you do what you think is right.....funny when you post something you ask for credit where its deserved but I guess when its not yours its OK to do as you wish ........I'm done........
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If I really have to point put everything that was taken from Lithium I will. My point was it took a lot of my time to get the mods I did on my rom and for you to take them and distribute them as your own without even a thanks or asking is why we are here. This is open source, but credit os always given where it is due .....but you know what, you do what you think is right.....funny when you post something you ask for credit where its deserved but I guess when its not yours its OK to do as you wish ........I'm done........
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I did not take one thing from Lithium... You're barking up the wrong tree. I haven't even downloaded it yet..
EDIT: And if you're referring to the rotating homescreen credit, I was just pretty excited that I figured it out for our model, and if you notice I said to credit me unless you figure it out for yourself.. And I figured I had to put that there with they way some of you devs/modders act...
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You know I never pointed a finger at you, but it took a lot of work to get what I did on my Rom and to see people using it without asking does get under my skin a little. So if this is gonna be how it is then I will just keep my work to myself........
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You can do as you wish, and I understand your concern here but it seems to me you're overreacting a bit. Somebody running your ROM posted battery mods for your ROM, I seen them, liked how they looked and figured I'd flash it and hope for the best. Nobody stole your work, nobody did anything which would require your permission. I have the utmost respect for you, I really do, but unless you got permission from Motorola to modify their ROM to your liking then it seems quite hypocritical of you to expect us to ask for yours to do the same when in reality "your" ROM is little more than a modded version of theirs. Nobody was trying to be sneaky here brother, we all appreciate your contributions here and hope you can look back at this later and realize that.
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I did not take one thing from Lithium... You're barking up the wrong tree. I haven't even downloaded it yet..
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Well whoever mixed the 2 together need to get with me and tell me exactly how they got the images they got. Because I can tell you exactly what I did and how I got them.........All I 'm saying is give credit due where it deserves. I put a LOT of time and effort into my Rom and to see people ripping it off is BS since I'm not getting any credit
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Well whoever mixed the 2 together need to get with me and tell me exactly how they got the images they got. Because I can tell you exactly what I did and how I got them.........All I 'm saying is give credit due where it deserves. I put a LOT of time and effort into my Rom and to see people ripping it off is BS since I'm not getting any credit
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Unless you're talking about his phone signal or dropdown menu, we got nothing to discuss.
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Well whoever mixed the 2 together need to get with me and tell me exactly how they got the images they got. Because I can tell you exactly what I did and how I got them.........All I 'm saying is give credit due where it deserves. I put a LOT of time and effort into my Rom and to see people ripping it off is BS since I'm not getting any credit
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It's all been spelled out clearly in the OP. If anybody is guilty of ripping you off it's me since i'm the one who flashed mods for your rom to my phone (running a different rom). But since i'm not a dev, not claiming your work as my own, why do I need to get your permission? That's the part i'm not understanding. How can you not be getting credit when "your ROM" is listed in the title of this thread and has been since the instance it was posted?
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Well whoever mixed the 2 together need to get with me and tell me exactly how they got the images they got. Because I can tell you exactly what I did and how I got them.........All I 'm saying is give credit due where it deserves. I put a LOT of time and effort into my Rom and to see people ripping it off is BS since I'm not getting any credit
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Omg guys im sorry. It was me. I used parts from lithium on ATRIX blaze v3. Cause I did like blazes lockscreen. I did port over the battery mod. But I can't remember where from. I apologize for not asking permission before doing this. At the time I didn't see any harm. Everything in my mod is JRW 28 except the battery mod. Me and. 916x10 just traded files and that's what he came up with. He didnt mean to not give proper credit because he probably didn't know it was jrw 28s mods. I never told him because idk, guess i just didnt yhink about it. He just wanted to share it probably because he thought others would enjoy it. So sorry I didn't mean to not give credit where it was due! So so so sorry!!!!
Sorry to u as well 916x10 didn't think u would get so much crap for this.
Also he never gave me credit for creating the mods he just said when he flashed my zip that's the outcome.
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Omg guys im sorry. It was me. I used parts from lithium on ATRIX blaze v3. Cause I did like blazes lockscreen. I did port over the battery mod. But I can't remember where from. I apologize for not asking permission before doing this. At the time I didn't see any harm. Everything in my mod is JRW 28 except the battery mod. Me and. 916x10 just traded files and that's what he came up with. He didnt mean to not give proper credit because he probably didn't know it was jrw 28s mods. I never told him because idk, guess i just didnt yhink about it. He just wanted to share it probably because he thought others would enjoy it. So sorry I didn't mean to not give credit where it was due! So so so sorry!!!!
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Thanks for setting things straight..
lol @916, who knew that just posting a few screenshots would cause something like this..
But, it's a good lesson for everyone: Dev's, your ****'s not safe if you share it.. Modders, be careful what you "borrow".. and bystanders and end-users, beware!!
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Omg guys im sorry. It was me. I used parts from lithium on ATRIX blaze v3. Cause I did like blazes lockscreen. I did port over the battery mod. But I can't remember where from. I apologize for not asking permission before doing this. At the time I didn't see any harm. Everything in my mod is JRW 28 except the battery mod. Me and. 916x10 just traded files and that's what he came up with. He didnt mean to not give proper credit because he probably didn't know it was jrw 28s mods. I never told him because idk, guess i just didnt yhink about it. He just wanted to share it probably because he thought others would enjoy it. So sorry I didn't mean to not give credit where it was due! So so so sorry!!!!
Sorry to u as well 916x10 didn't think u would get so much crap for this.
Also he never gave me credit for creating the mods he just said when he flashed my zip that's the outcome.
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I didn't think anything of it to be honest, was just letting others know the outcome of running mods not specifically for the one I'm running. Never imagined I'd need to get anyone's permission to do so. It was not my intention to step on any toes or throw anyone under the bus, I apologize to any and all who felt I did either to them.
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I didn't think anything of it to be honest, was just letting others know the outcome of running mods not specifically for the one I'm running. Never imagined I'd need to get anyone's permission to do so. It was not my intention to step on any toes or throw anyone under the bus, I apologize to any and all who felt I did either to them.
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i didnt think it was a big deal either... :/
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Thanks for setting things straight..
lol @916, who knew that just posting a few screenshots would cause something like this..
But, it's a good lesson for everyone: Dev's, your ****'s not safe if you share it.. Modders, be careful what you "borrow".. and bystanders and end-users, beware!!
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Yep, from now on i'm going to ask permission before I download anything posted for public consumption on a public forum I could understand if I didn't list his ROM, his name, at all in my OP, or if I cooked up a rom of my own and used his work without giving him credit, but none of that happened so his overreaction is unexplainable. Gotta be more to it but i'm done giving this any energy. Thanks for the mods JRW 28!
I think the point here is, is that we need to post the creator of the mod for every mod we use of were going to post screen shots and in some cases we should ask if we can use it. I see his point and it can look like your taking credit for it. I dont think that was your intention but its better to be safe than sorry. Were a community of devs, users and people that just want a freakin awesome phone. Lets be as respectful as possible. In the end, ITS ONLY A PHONE!.
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I think the point here is, is that we need to post the creator of the mod for every mod we use of were going to post screen shots and in some cases we should ask if we can use it. I see his point and it can look like your taking credit for it. I dont think that was your intention but its better to be safe than sorry. Were a community of devs, users and people that just want a freakin awesome phone. Lets be as respectful as possible. In the end, ITS ONLY A PHONE!.
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I completely agree with u a.d I too understand where he's coming from. I just don't understand why he made such a fuss over it.
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I completely agree with u a.d I too understand where he's coming from. I just don't understand why he made such a fuss over it.
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To some people this is a huge deal (modding phones) and it is probably a respect situation. Either way, its done now. We shall move on.
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Hello guys!
Just wonder - can you share this great battery mod? At least just image files for all the hexagons with numbers? It's really great and I would like to add them to my setup.
Greetings from russian Atrix 2 community
UPD: Never mind, have already found it in the Lithium thread.
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Hey there! I’m guessing you've got yourself a shiny new HTC One X/XL, and you've heard about this thing called "rooting" and how it supposedly can let you do all sorts of things that your carrier won't let you do, or something like that. You arrived here a little while ago from Google or by clicking a link in some blog, and you're now nosing around trying to figure out what you're supposed to do.
But stop! Wait! You've skipped over the most important question: Should you even be here in the first place?
This is not a trivial question. Making modifications to the software on your phone is not like getting your car painted or putting on some new rims or a spoiler. It's much more analogous to replacing the fuel injectors, or modifying the intake, or changing the valve timing. If you don't know what you're doing, there's a very real chance you can render your phone permanently inoperative.
This post is not going to explain how to root, unlock, or do anything else to your phone, because there are already several other threads in the Development section about that (and no, I'm not linking to them—way too soon for that). The purpose of this post is to help you determine whether you should do it at all, and if so, what you need to know beforehand.
We're going to start by taking a short quiz.
1. Which is the most accurate assessment of your comfort level with computers and electronics?
a. I keep the Geek Squad on speed-dial.
b. I generally know what I'm doing, but I'm careful not to get in over my head.
c. I'm the guy my friends and family come to when they have computer problems.
2. What is Linux?
a. It's, um, a computer thing.
b. It's the operating system upon which Android is based, but I had to go to Wikipedia to look that up.
c. chmod 004 linuxfordummies.docx
3. How do you feel when your computer or some other gadget isn't working the way you want it to?
a. It's a royal pain in the ass.
b. It's not the end of the world, but I can do without it.
c. It's an opportunity to learn and problem-solve.
4. Which most accurately characterizes your relationship with your smartphone?
a. Um, relationship? It's a phone—I just need it to work.
b. I like to play around with the settings and find interesting apps.
c. I'm not happy unless I've tweaked and customized it enough that I feel it's a good reflection of who I am as a person. Also, this reflection changes by the week.
5. You're in the middle of trying to solve a particularly frustrating problem with your computer when your spouse/significant other announces that s/he wants to have sex. What do you do?
a. Drop everything and seize the booty.
b. Curse your computer under your breath and head for the bedroom.
c. Reply, "Sorry, honey, can you give me ten more minutes?"
Give yourself 3 points for each "c" answer, 1 point for each "b", and subtract 3 points for each "a". Then total up your score and check the chart below:
13-15: Welcome, brother! You may proceed.
11-12: You'll probably be all right, but be careful. You may be setting yourself up for more frustration than all this is really worth.
10 or less:
Stop now, head over to Android Forums, and don't look back. Trust me, you'll be much better off in the long run.
…
Still here?
Okay. Just because you're coming in with the right attitude and background doesn't mean you aren't still going to get yourself in serious trouble. Before going any further, there are several rules you must commit to memory.
1. Do Not Make Any Changes to Your Phone Until You Have a Good Understanding of What You're Doing
You wouldn't go under the hood of your car and start rewiring things and rerouting hoses based on some vague understanding of something you read on the Internet, right? You shouldn't do the same thing to your phone.
This is the reason that “One-Click” and “All-in-One” solutions should be scrupulously avoided, no matter how attractive they may be to you at the moment.
I cannot stress this too much. Using these tools allows you to skip over important learning processes and avoid learning things you really need to know. They make it much easier for you to get into a situation you have no clue how to get out of (and we’ll come back to that below). You’re better off in the long run skipping the one-click tools and taking the time to learn how to do things manually. Basically, you pay cash now, or pay later with interest.
At a minimum, before you do anything, you should be able to explain these three concepts:
-What root access means
-What you're changing when you unlock your bootloader
-What you're replacing when you flash a custom ROM or kernel
How do you find all this out? That's the next point.
2. Become Your Own Expert
You're probably feeling pretty intimidated right now looking at all these discussions throwing around terms, abbreviations, and acronyms that make no sense to you. That's normal—in fact, it's a good sign. If you're not intimidated, you should probably leave now, because you're lacking the sense of caution that will keep you out of trouble.
You're naturally going to be drawn to people who appear to know what they're doing. Be very careful about this. Some do know what they're doing, and some only think they do. The problem is that it can be very hard to tell them apart. That's why the worst thing you can do is go into a thread and start asking, "What am I supposed to do here?" before you know enough to be able to weigh the answers you get.
You may get help from someone who knows the answer you're seeking, and you may find someone who's just a recent noob feeling flush with a little new-found expertise. Or, worst of all, you may have the bad luck to run into someone who enjoys tricking noobs into bricking their phones. These folks are thankfully rare, but they do exist.
Ultimately, you've got to do your own learning, not piggyback on someone else's. That leads to our next rule.
3. Google is Your Friend
Yeah, I know, it's a cliché. But it's a cliché because it's true.
Your experiences are not new. Your questions, almost certainly, have been answered before (and in the case of most noob questions, hundreds or thousands of times before). You should start by reading the threads here, but every time you come across a concept or term you're not familiar with, flip to another window and Google it. "How to X" and "What does X mean" are your two most powerful tools. Use them often. (If you're not proficient enough with Google to manage this, you've got no business modding your phone anyway.) Bit by bit, you'll start to feel less lost and start developing the context to understand what people are talking about.
But didn't I just say not to trust what people tell you?
Yes. However:
4. Trust the Hivemind
That rule applies individually, not collectively. In fact, gauging collective experiences is an excellent way to see what's what. When a new exploit, ROM, or mod gets posted, there is invariably a flow of responses as people try it out. Pay close attention to these discussions before you do anything.
There are almost always a few bugs and updates to anything new. That alone shouldn't deter you too much. But it's best to wait until you start seeing people posting praise, thanks, and confirmation that their phones are working well before you dip your feet in the water.
But you're still not there yet. Just because other people are having success doesn’t mean you will.
5. Don't Do Anything to Your Phone That You Don't Know How to Undo
Who are all these people rushing to act as guinea pigs? By and large (there are exceptions), these are experienced modders who know how to get themselves out of any trouble they get into. In general, if you know what you're doing, you can take your phone back to stock without too much effort. But reverting some of these changes often depends on doing things in the right order, making backups before you start, and so on.
All of us were noobs once, and most of the people here are willing to help out new users with the right attitude. But few things are more frustrating than someone who jumps on a new mod or rom, and then posts, "That didn't work, I think I’m bricked, OMG what do I do??"
You need to figure that stuff out beforehand.
Also, it's worth pointing out that everyone makes mistakes. You're going to make a mistake at some point, probably several. Proper planning and preparation will minimize the fallout when you do.
But—there is another "but" here, and it’s a big one.
6. You May Kill Your Phone
Modding your phone carries a certain risk. Phones get permanently bricked around here on a regular basis, especially when new mods and tools get released. No matter what you do, no matter what precautions you take, there is a possibility you may render your phone permanently unusable, with nothing left to do but return it and hope you can get a replacement (and hope your carrier won't realize what you did).
This risk applies to everyone. Even experienced devs have been known to brick phones because they forgot a critical step to some routine process.
If you're not comfortable taking that risk, or you can't afford to deal with the consequences, you need to leave. Period. You've been warned. You'll get sympathy (unless you did something stupid and won't own up to it), but don't expect anyone to reimburse you, least of all the dev who posted the tool you were trying to use. It won't happen, and asking will just get you a lot of derision.
Got all that? Good luck, and happy modding.
Wow that is the greatest post I've ever seen. Gave me a good laugh.
Edit: I've gotta agree with the fact that using one click solutions to root etc really doesn't help you learn because I have almost messed my phone up on a few occasions and without knowing the basics of adb I would have been a goner. There is no one click solution to fixing your problems...
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Nicely done Elvis.
Vote to put as a sticky.
Also, I laughed a little bit reading this. Lol
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Best single post I think I've ever read lol. +1 on the sticky vote
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Thanks, guys. I actually wrote most of this quite a while ago, but wasn't motivated to post it until the recent influx of noobs.
Nice post.
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excellent
very nice, stickied.
Thank you,
mf2112
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It's a funny post, but r-tards can pick up a part time job rooting phones.
Id have to agree on the one click deal also, im also leary of the aroma installer and hub now also. i know its very rare for someone to have problems with them but i did and now it cost me 60 bucks to fix. just because you learn what you are doin and are comfortable with the various things you can do, sometimes things dont go right or there is spaz in the hardware and it will render you useless
Haha! This is a great post!
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Holly sh!t very well done. This should be the first thing all xda members should read. Read this and watch the video before signing up for xda. Well done!
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OMFG I love this post. Good work!!!
Any chance you'd be willing to port this post to the HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE device section?
Only minor modifications:
HTC One X/XL to HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE
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mdmower said:
Any chance you'd be willing to port this post to the HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE device section?
Only minor modifications:
HTC One X/XL to HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE
Android Forums link
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Would that go over well? They don't know me at all over there.
iElvis said:
Would that go over well? They don't know me at all over there.
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Ah, well if spend most all your time in One X/XL then I understand if you prefer to keep the writeup for this crowd. I did enjoy the read and am glad I stumbled across it.
mdmower said:
Ah, well if spend most all your time in One X/XL then I understand if you prefer to keep the writeup for this crowd. I did enjoy the read and am glad I stumbled across it.
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I'm happy to share it; I was just concerned that having this as my first post over there might come across as somewhat obnoxious.
iElvis said:
I'm happy to share it; I was just concerned that having this as my first post over there might come across as somewhat obnoxious.
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If you precede the post with: "mdmower requested this post be ported to the fireball community" you'll run into no issues.
mdmower said:
If you precede the post with: "mdmower requested this post be ported to the fireball community" you'll run into no issues.
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Okie dokie.
A excellent post.
Your questions and count are very good! Appreciate your sense of humour making a point that is very valid.
Will be reading more.
Thanks again for the support.
David
lol :laugh: awesome post! Nice touch with the gif's bro, freakin Classic!