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YouMail Sleep issues

I have been using YouMail's service on my phones for quite some time and was excited to see there was an app for Android, but after 2+ months of use (and several versions of the .apk, including the most recent Beta) I am still experiencing 100% awake time when the app is running.
If I kill it my phone will immedietly because to sleep normally. But each time I receive a phone call or open the app it will keep the phone from sleeping again.
I have been in contact with their support (which is how I received the Beta version) and have been sending Dumps their way, but was wondering if anyone else is experiencing this issue.
Info: Running Fresh 1.1 on a newly 1.56 RUU'ed hero.

crunchybutternut said:
I have been using YouMail's service on my phones for quite some time and was excited to see there was an app for Android, but after 2+ months of use (and several versions of the .apk, including the most recent Beta) I am still experiencing 100% awake time when the app is running.
If I kill it my phone will immedietly because to sleep normally. But each time I receive a phone call or open the app it will keep the phone from sleeping again.
I have been in contact with their support (which is how I received the Beta version) and have been sending Dumps their way, but was wondering if anyone else is experiencing this issue.
Info: Running Fresh 1.1 on a newly 1.56 RUU'ed hero.
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I stopped using the app because of this. I tried contacting support and was brushed off. I love the app but not the lack letting my phone sleep.

I am working with a developer of the app to fix the problem and have tested several versions. Will keep you updated of the progress.

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I am working with a developer of the app to fix the problem and have tested several versions. Will keep you updated of the progress.
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That would be great. Thanks for helping him out with this as I would love to use the app.

I don't mean to thread jack this, but.
Whats the difference in YouMail and our Sprint Visual Voice Mail? I have never used youMail.

Kcarpenter said:
I don't mean to thread jack this, but.
Whats the difference in YouMail and our Sprint Visual Voice Mail? I have never used youMail.
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YouMail http://www.youmail.com/home/index.do is a service that replaces Sprint's (or any other provider) voice mail service with their own. It allows you to set custom "smart" greetings for each caller in your contacts, among other things. Check out the site for more info.

Here is the latest response from the developer I have been working with.
Hi [Name],
I did some more research and can confirm that I see the same behavior as you when I run the YouMail app ('active' @ 100%)
I'm not exactly sure what the cause is, as the application is indeed going to sleep when it has nothing to do. The problem also seems to be quite widespread, affecting what seems to be "most" applications that loiter around in the background doing nothing for most of the time.
Since you use 'Spare Parts' you should notice that in there is a way of viewing the 'Partial Wake Lock' usage of a given application. According to the Android developer documentation this is the ONLY way an application can keep the phone "awake" other than 'prodding' it every 30 seconds or so (and you'd notice that 'coz the screen would never go off).
As long as that "Partial Wake Lock" value is low (and it should be unless you're constantly hitting "Menu -> Poll") it means the application is indeed behaving correctly.
All I can offer is that we develop a new feature into the app so that you can tell it to automatically exit when all of the automatic polling settings are disabled - that way the phone would literally shut down the app "sometime" after you back out of the message list. Do you think that's worth it? Or should we wait for HTC/T-Mobile to fix the root cause of the problem?
Doug
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And my response:
Do you mind if I share some of our conversation with a community forum? It might help get others involved and more feedback for you to use in further development.
As far as other apps loitering in the background, my understanding is that Android (using the same process as other Linux distros) keeps recently used applications in RAM to make them more quickly accessible to the user, and will clear them as the RAM is needed by other apps.
I have seen this issue in the past with other apps (i.e. the HTC messaging app locking the dialer and maintaining 100% awake time) but has all been resolved by updates to the apps themselves.
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Lastly, his response:
Feel free, I don't think I said anything bad
I we get enough requests from "the community" I'll be given time to add the 'exit when done' option (basically it'll become a "dumb" app that only checks for messages when you start it up instead of waking up every so often to check [like after you miss a call])
And yes, Android is a little stranger than normal in that it tends to leave applications running for an unspecified time after you "close" them. (basically until it needs to run something else, or it runs out of memory, or .....)
The YouMail app is a little different in that it runs as a background service and schedules the phone to wake it up whenever "events of interest" occur (you get a TXT, your phone rings, it needs to poll, etc) - so even if the OS does close the app because you logged onto "hugebitmaps.com" and the phone ran out of memory, it'll start it up again as soon as it can.
I suspect the HERO OS is not allowing the phone to sleep, even though the application is literally doing nothing. I don't recall this problem on my trusty G1 when it had Android 1.5, so maybe some of HTC's customizations have broken something
Doug
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I can post more of the conversation history if it would help. Anyone have any ideas what might be causing this beyond coding issues?
If anyone wants to send their YouMail log for inspection just enter this code in the dialer *#*#963867#*#* (*#*#YMDUMP#*#*) and it will let you send an email with the log's text.

Tried in 2.1 beta
"I suspect the HERO OS is not allowing the phone to sleep, even though the application is literally doing nothing. I don't recall this problem on my trusty G1 when it had Android 1.5, so maybe some of HTC's customizations have broken something "
I also tried using this app on the 2.1 ROM that Flipz and company have been working on, and had the same issue. I do not know enough programing to determine if this is a problem with OS or the app. I can only give you my experience and try other stuff out to see what the results are. I hope this helps.
Kevin

Hi, Doug from YouMail here.
Just noticed my words and thought I'd give an update - although not much good news.
I basically spent the last 2 days completely reworking the YouMail app's back end code so that anything and everything that could possibly be shut down when it isn't actually doing anything is indeed shut down.
When it came time to test it out -- 100% awake time again (although I stand by my earlier comments that "its not just us").
If I run the same app on a HTC G1 the phone will last a good 2 days (maybe more) without battery issues. If I uninstall the app the difference is minor.
This information, added to all the discussion on the Sprint forums about how the HTC "extras" that this phone comes bundled with have caused the same problem leads me to think that there is something in the Hero that's not behaving properly.
I see other comments like "It does the same on my <insert phone model here>" - well, we don't have unlimited resources, so if you can put the small amount of effort in to dial the 'dump' code mentioned above (*#*#963867#*#*) then maybe we can start to find a pattern here (maybe it's all the Android 1.5 based devices for example).
I'd also like to thank crunchybutternut for all of his assistance and time in trying to sort this issue out.
Doug

superman.namrepus said:
I also tried using this app on the 2.1 ROM that Flipz and company have been working on, and had the same issue. I do not know enough programing to determine if this is a problem with OS or the app. I can only give you my experience and try other stuff out to see what the results are. I hope this helps.
Kevin
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If I can get in touch with someone who has access to the "guts" of the device and that can help me determine whats going wrong then that would be great. Neither the Android developer list nor the HTC forums are particularly helpful when it comes to tricky problems.

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Anyone have some insight on this?

Ok - If someone working on one of these custom builds is prepared to lend a little assistance I'm willing to put a custom build on my phone and try to debug this a little deeper. However, with the number of hours that I get to work on this app.... and all the "fun" blocks that Google have been putting in our way w.r.t Android 2.x, I may not get much more time to work this problem.
That being said, I'm going to try experimenting with a new test app that just adds (one at a time) the raw features of the YouMail app in the hope that a single change triggers this wonderful problem you guys have. If that's the case then I'll put on my Sherlock Holmes hat and try to work around whatever is causing it.
Doug

Any news ?

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Any news ?
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Got this from ymDoug:
No progress as yet - not seen anything from xda folks either.
I've made *massive* changes to ensure the app is shutting down absolutely everything it can when it has nothing to do - still no joy.
I've even gone through a lot of the Android source code and can't find anything that would indicate I'm doing anything wrong. There is one debugging method I'd dearly love to call inside the Google Android code (it dumps out a list of who is keeping the phone awake at any point in time) but the method is only accessible to (a) Google, and (b) People who cook their own ROMs. The official Android people are doing their usual stand-up job of ignoring the difficult questions
I am still making the odd change here and there, and my test app doesn't seem to be having the same problems (of course)
Regardless, there will be an updated version on the web site in the next day or so - I'll need to ensure my changes haven't completely screwed things up
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Doug has made some changes, does not seem to completely resolve the sleep issue though.
Here's the link to the change log:
http://forums.youmail.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=18
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FYI: The version in the market is several revisions behind.

[Q] Hardreset to fix unreliable push notifications thirdparty apps?

My push notifications from thirdparty apps and live tiles stop working very regularyly which is a shame since the platform heavily depends on this.
It fails to open a channel etc.
Is microsoft fixing this bug in the os? Since now they say yeah just do a factory rest and it should be fine. But i dont wat to lose my settings.
And a restart temporarely fixes it but after an hour or so its terrible again.
or are the ms servers just over crowded already? I dont like apple but my dads iphone just kept working while mine stopped receiving the toasts
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Marvin_S said:
My push notifications from thirdparty apps and live tiles stop working very regularyly which is a shame since the platform heavily depends on this.
It fails to open a channel etc.
Is microsoft fixing this bug in the os? Since now they say yeah just do a factory rest and it should be fine. But i dont wat to lose my settings.
And a restart temporarely fixes it but after an hour or so its terrible again.
or are the ms servers just over crowded already? I dont like apple but my dads iphone just kept working while mine stopped receiving the toasts
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Toasts and tile updates come from the app developers servers, so depending on the platform they use there may be some down time. The Beezz twitter client occasionally stops working, but it's a free app and not ad supported so we should be lucky it has toasts and tile notifications at all.

sulphuricaciduk said:
Toasts and tile updates come from the app developers servers, so depending on the platform they use there may be some down time. The Beezz twitter client occasionally stops working, but it's a free app and not ad supported so we should be lucky it has toasts and tile notifications at all.
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not really since tested with the same apps at the same time. Its probably because it goes to the ms servers and fails to deliver timely. Also the unable to open a channel is not related to their servers i believe? Its related to a channel not able to open on the ms servers. Downtime should probably be equal when using the same apps on ios and wp7 sending out to each other, the messages do get delivered in app just no or really really delayed notifications. Like 20 minutes and then it just works normal for a while.. Then stops again. Other than this i really like the platform.
So i wonder does anybody else experience trouble? And which is the program you use which seems to be stable all times?

I'm experiencing the same troubles on my omnia 7.
Following programs do have some problems:
-Fim: Unable to open the channel - push notifications don't work anymore.
-TextMe: Push Notifications sometimes work - but with a delay of approx. 20 minutes
Following programs don't have any problems:
-Hotmail
-Messenger by Miyo
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This is really annoying - since a "usual" restart of the device doesn't help, i think i will have to do a hard reset (i wonder if this will help at all). But i don't want to lose all my settings, installed applications, short messages etc. So this really is a PITA.

stylopath said:
I'm experiencing the same troubles on my omnia 7.
Following programs do have some problems:
-Fim: Unable to open the channel - push notifications don't work anymore.
-TextMe: Push Notifications sometimes work - but with a delay of approx. 20 minutes
Following programs don't have any problems:
-Hotmail
-Messenger by Miyo
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This is really annoying - since a "usual" restart of the device doesn't help, i think i will have to do a hard reset (i wonder if this will help at all). But i don't want to lose all my settings, installed applications, short messages etc. So this really is a PITA.
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hardreset, would that really help? I think it wont really help. I have the same phone same apps and same problems also with tigertext send to wp7 and notes to tile.
i dont have the time and or want to hardreset. It might be a driver thing with the 3g etc. If nobody with other phones is experiencing this. I think hardreset changes nothig and will return to same behaviour. I will hardreset when the update comes or see if this will fix it.
20 Minutes is just strange conpared to instant on iphone and happens a lot

Pff
Did a hardreset. Tested the push again, ait a damn thing changed besides that I lost all my settings and stuff. Its just not working right. And probably a samsung driver or a ms server/os issue....
Does nobody else experience push notification downtime? Or delays? It's just not the way it should work. IM apps and Text replacement apps can never work properly in the background with these delays...

@Marvin_S which apps, specifically are you having trouble with? It could very well be that the developers servers have been down or slow.
I haven't had any Live Tile problems that couldn't directly be traced back to either the app dev's server or the way they've implemented notifications. Not on my Omnia 7 nor the HD2. Afaik, and I'm pretty sure I'd have heard about it - the wife's Omnia7 is doing just fine also. Have you tried flashing the new updated ROM? That seemed to fix a bunch of data issues.
Oh, as for the 20 minute thing, I've never seen this. Beezz for example notifies me (via toasts) in about a second or so.

Beezz has never worked for me. I always get an error whenever I try to enable push. The same happens for GReadie. I get a fail to open channel error. The weatherbug app also stopped working.
Right now my HTC hub live tile works. Its the only 3rd party live tile app I use.

emigrating said:
@Marvin_S which apps, specifically are you having trouble with? It could very well be that the developers servers have been down or slow.
I haven't had any Live Tile problems that couldn't directly be traced back to either the app dev's server or the way they've implemented notifications. Not on my Omnia 7 nor the HD2. Afaik, and I'm pretty sure I'd have heard about it - the wife's Omnia7 is doing just fine also. Have you tried flashing the new updated ROM? That seemed to fix a bunch of data issues.
Oh, as for the 20 minute thing, I've never seen this. Beezz for example notifies me (via toasts) in about a second or so.
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Well I seem to be running the latest version pre-installed by samsung... i asked in the omnia7 forum what kind of rom I was running.
Well the thing is, it builds up all the notifications and than releases them all after each other 20 minutes later.
Basically these apps: Textme and tigertext (which I tried later to see if it could replace textme, very kind and responsive developers btw)
Also send to wp7, which often than comes up with the failed to open channel stuff.
If this rom should rely fix it, then I will just reflash it eve though its exactly the same rom... I think it has something to do with losing 3g+ signal, or wifi drops.
I'm testing the reliablility heavily since I such problems by sending constant test messages to myself (or to the echo server) the messages are received fine, but the toast is so unreliable.
Can you maybe type the versions of your firmware so I can compare it with mine? Because its for sure not an app problem since the messages all come later from diffrent apps. My test flow is like this: Open app, send message, close, send message with the second app, close and than wait. If it takes to long, open app again, resend. Sometimes it works quite right for a while, than teribly bad.
And note that I'm from a crowded area with lots of cellphone towers and have also good wifi coverage in the places I tested it. Same apps on the iphone work without problems, I compared side by side as well.
So it might just be my omnia, thats why I would like to hear which versions you are running. Since hardreset did not change a thing, I'm starting to believe its or a driver problem or ms-servers are overcrowded. I would like to try beez and see if its diffrent, however I dont havee twitter and i guess its required.

I don't think the newer ROM from Samsung fixes anything, because i installed it. Version 2424.10.11.1
but perhaps the region affects this problem, e.g. North-American Azure-Servers work fine while European Servers are struggling.
I personally have massive problems with push notifications since monday or so, and it's really starting to pi** me off!

Hard resetting idny going to fix anything permenitly because it is not the phone it is the apps just gotta wait for and update to fix
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Weird. I'm using Beezz, SendToWP7, uController, eBay, Weatherbug and probably a few others using toast and/or live tile notification. Beezz server seems to go down every so often, but both uController and SendToWP7 notifies me real quick.
I'm running the latest Omnia 7 ROM as people said it was slightly faster and had a better data connection - that said, I was entirely happy with the phone even before updating.

I did a hard reset/reinstall of my apps and such, I'm still having intermittent push problems with some apps, and with others the push won't work at all. I will say that it seems to be the same apps having the same problems, and the ones that always have worked (weather bug) still work.
I'm thinking (hoping, praying!) this is a problem simply because of the infancy of the OS...I remember the first iphone, which I bought on day one, had all sorts of problems and "gaps" in technology

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Weird. I'm using Beezz, SendToWP7, uController, eBay, Weatherbug and probably a few others using toast and/or live tile notification. Beezz server seems to go down every so often, but both uController and SendToWP7 notifies me real quick.
I'm running the latest Omnia 7 ROM as people said it was slightly faster and had a better data connection - that said, I was entirely happy with the phone even before updating.
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oKe im running the latest rom since the beginning. Created fake twitter account sended a ton of messages. Crap as hell, very unreliable and today i was not able to load fb app data on 3g full bars. So it can be a phone problem on drivers with data over 3g, while 3g+ works fine. Probably euopean servers are overloaded than. Does changing my location from USA based (im dutch) To germany change the servers as well? Bc germany is much closer thus more reliable?

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I did a hard reset/reinstall of my apps and such, I'm still having intermittent push problems with some apps, and with others the push won't work at all. I will say that it seems to be the same apps having the same problems, and the ones that always have worked (weather bug) still work.
I'm thinking (hoping, praying!) this is a problem simply because of the infancy of the OS...I remember the first iphone, which I bought on day one, had all sorts of problems and "gaps" in technology
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Its the apps not the phone the apps need to be updated inorder to work on the os not the other way around
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v hubris v said:
Its the apps not the phone the apps need to be updated inorder to work on the os not the other way around
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this is not the case, read my post. Has nothing to do with the apps since ALL apps behave like this, it has nothing to do with the apps itself but probably slow ms servers. So no this is really an os or server or device firmware problem and not an app. Since all notifications come at the same time all after eachother highly delayed.

Apps have own servers they Sony go threw ms os is not mad for apparently apparently are made for os if apparently no work on os they need update
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v hubris v said:
Apps have own servers they Sony go threw ms os is not mad for apparently apparently are made for os if apparently no work on os they need update
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its not the problem of the apps! Since all apps fail at the same time to update. This is no coincidence, only a restart or waiting will solve this and than all notifications not yet delivered by multiple apps come at once! Now tell me how this is an app poblem,its the phone who is not able to receive the push even on wifi. The apps do deliver, but there is a huge delay even with beez which i checked with fake twiter account.
Every once in a while the phone just fails to receive any data based push notifications! All of them. While i do have wifi and or 3g. On 3g+ it seems to be more stable.
This could be europe related or omnia related. And narrowing this down will help dtermine the issue, since the apps are not the problem. These work fine for the others...

Marvin_S said:
This could be europe related or omnia related. And narrowing this down will help dtermine the issue, since the apps are not the problem. These work fine for the others...
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It is neither Europe or Omnia related as I'm using the 16GB Omnia7 in Europe (slightly north of you) at the moment without fail.
If it really is all apps, I would suggest there is a problem with your data connection - are you able to browse the web properly and without pages having to reload or taking a long time to open? If not, make sure you are indeed within range of, either, 3G/HSDPA or WiFi - if you are, and it works fine on another phone/laptop I would say you have a hardware fault and need to take the device back for a replacement.

Several things to be aware of with live tiles and notifications.
I am a developer of a few apps and offer push notification and live tile updates i have done alot of testing and know the ins and outs of this..
1st there is a such thing of the phone not being able to "open a notification channel" and Hard Reset is the only way to correct this.
2nd it is possable that the app developer side to also be the problem not sending because of their service going down server problems etc.
3rd when your batt. get to be less than 1/4 percent the notification service shuts down on the phone and you will not recieve updates. once the batt is above the 1/4 percent the service will then start working again.
4th sometimes the push service is delayed due to MS.
Hope this helps to better understand.
My Apps
World Weather (Live Tile)
TV Show Alert (uses Push Notification)
To Doos (Comming soon Push, Live Tile)

[Q] Built-in Messenger

I was Using the built-in Msn/facebook messenger function in the Mango built 7.10.7712.60 and came here to share some thought and wonder if i am the only one facing this issue or is there anyone else
Sometimes i get messages with delays .. the scenario is like this :
i am chatting with someone then a sudden silence breaks in .. after a while i write a something and hit send and BOOM i get like 3-4 messages that i didn't recieve on time.. it happened to me several times
did it happen to anyone else or just me ?

Yep, I've noticed that also.

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I also have the same issue but mostly due to bad internet connection

Go to wifi. Try it.
No delays. Blame your internet.
Just happens with my 3G/2G internet.

It happens to me all the time. What is annoying, though, is getting a toast notification for _every_ message, even when you are in the thread. I wouldn't mind the many toasts while I am not in the thread, but good grief, when I am watching all the messages come in, I don't need a notification for every one.

I am still unable to see my contacts online or to have them integrated with their actual contact information. I can chat with them if they message me first though. And they always show up as their email address. Has anyone figured that out yet?

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It happens to me all the time. What is annoying, though, is getting a toast notification for _every_ message, even when you are in the thread. I wouldn't mind the many toasts while I am not in the thread, but good grief, when I am watching all the messages come in, I don't need a notification for every one.
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It doesnt show toast when i'm in thread. Wierd.

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It doesnt show toast when i'm in thread. Wierd.
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Eh, I'm sure everything will work great when the final release comes out. My phone has done some things that don't happen on demo videos or it won't do things that demo phones do. It's what we get for playing with the beta.

I also have the same issue but mostly due to bad internet connection

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Go to wifi. Try it.
No delays. Blame your internet.
Just happens with my 3G/2G internet.
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Is 1.5mb/s download speed internet connection enough for you?

Strike_Eagle said:
Is 1.5mb/s download speed internet connection enough for you?
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Not concerned about the speed. But with reliability.

padrino said:
I am still unable to see my contacts online or to have them integrated with their actual contact information. I can chat with them if they message me first though. And they always show up as their email address. Has anyone figured that out yet?
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yes, this is solved by soft reset all your data on the phone - from the settings menu, ofc it will wipe all your data and everything, i had the same problem btw ^^
@The Main Problem
I am pretty sure its not related to the internet speed too, my 3G internet speed is above 4 mb/s
i Can't try it over wifi for some reason.. and even if i tried it will be of no use .. the basic state for my phone is 24/7 on 3G with Wifi turned off even at home .. also wifi turns off automatic after screen off so thats another block ..
what i am asking for is the reliability over 3G which is very important for a BBM/iCrap replacement solution ( for example )
i hope this get fixed in the final release, but i won't bet on it since the final release already out

The final release its 8 builds after our mango. So, it is a bug, it should be corrected. Although I dont think it really is a bug..

Jallen, do you have the Facebook app installed with notifications turned on?
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are you able to see your contacts status? i can see there name and for some friends i can only see there email id. And the yahoo friends who are on my windows live ID. i can see them online but when i click on there name it says "Something's wrong"

[Q] Whatsapp get stuck in wifi

Hey fellow wp7 lovers.
Lately ive been using a lot of messaging on whatsapp. I can chat fine on 3G but whenever i switched over to wifi... the message either gets stuck on delivering (1 line) ... or simply just shows the clock (not delivered)
Solution was always to switch 3G back on or turn on/off the wifi...
Its becoming quite tedious really...
Is anyone else experiencing this issue?? Or anyone know of a better solution?
(dont really want to use my 3G lately as its closely approaching my limit)

Got exactly the same issue. Don't know where i'm talking about really, but recently the thought hit me that maybe it is because when you come out of stand-by mode and send a message seconds later, your phone wants to send it over WI-FI, which might not be possible yet since it's still trying to connect, which then maybe results in a message not able to be sent and ends up being stuck on your phone, even though your phone connects to WI-FI succesfully after a while.
I usually turn off 3g, open the app, en most of the times it helps, which doesn't make sense at all. I am not sure, anyway. Haven't paid too much attention to it. Sometimes I just know its the WhatssAppserver, but I can't tell every time, and that makes it difficult to research the exact cause.

I really hope whatsapp releases an update and irons out its issues. Whatsapp on WP7 sucks.

It isn't that bad! It works, and thats more then we had. However, I don't understand why they can't manage to get simple things right...

hm i wonder if this is design flaw.. or purely just to save battery...
Coz on the android whatsapp, the internet is always connected even when on locked screen but on wp7 its not! The only solution is to use 3G!
This makes whatsapp useless if you only have wifi available... >< so much for instant messaging
Later on i found out ur wifi STAYS connected (even when in lock screen) when you plug it in to charge.... so thats the only workaround

so can we petition microsoft to add wifi on all the time in the next update??
OR does anyone know of an app that always require wifi connection?
(as described in this thread - http://forums.wpcentral.com/windows-phone-7-os-discussion/179861.htm)

Hm another quick note.....
how come whatsapp on ANDROID is so frickin fast!!!!! On iphone it takes about 5s to load into it. WP7 about 7s....and ANDROID is INSTANT!!!!
Lol is WP7 and APPLE so closed off that we cannot integrate whatsapp more into the OS? bah

[Q] Alternate use as a media device?

This may be a silly concept, but on some of these older phones, would it be possible to create a branch of CYGN development that simply removes the phone component of the rom? My idea is that all the functions would remain, but simply be disabled/hidden from the user. This could add some life to older phones whose cellular radios have malfunctioned, or people like me who simply like the CYGN interface, and would want to have a mp3/video player like this.
Additionally, the standard development would remain, so that if the phone needed to be re-purposed again, all you would need to do would be to flash the "+phone" rom.
Anyone care to tell me if/how bad an idea this is?
Thanks

Why can't those people who don't have a working phone part just ignore it and use it as a media device rather than flashing a whole new ROM just to get rid of it.

right, but supposedly there is a phone server that would suck some battery,
but it could be accomplished by putting the device in airplane mode.

airfluip1 said:
right, but supposedly there is a phone server that would suck some battery,
but it could be accomplished by putting the device in airplane mode.
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Well, being able to browse the web, or stream music would still be useful, I think.

tashubert said:
Well, being able to browse the web, or stream music would still be useful, I think.
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Then toggle WiFi back on.
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limeaide said:
Then toggle WiFi back on.
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Hell, is that all it takes? I thought "Airplane Mode" disabled all radios...
How destructive do you believe it would be to disable/uninstall the "phone" or "dialer" apps? Or is that not recommended under any circumstances?
Thanks again for your reply

Seems like a lot of work to compile a ROM and go through all the trouble, just don't use the dialer, and if you do, so what, no sim, no call, no money.

tashubert said:
Hell, is that all it takes? I thought "Airplane Mode" disabled all radios...
How destructive do you believe it would be to disable/uninstall the "phone" or "dialer" apps? Or is that not recommended under any circumstances?
Thanks again for your reply
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You can use apps like titanium backup to freeze the app and test yourself. I think it should work but there is a chance for a force close loop that can only be fixed by reinstalling the ROM.
Want to add I would leave the dialer just take it off the home screen because it is a law that even without service cell phones have to be able to dial emergency numbers. Without it if something happened and you needed to dial 911 it would be there.
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