I have been using YouMail's service on my phones for quite some time and was excited to see there was an app for Android, but after 2+ months of use (and several versions of the .apk, including the most recent Beta) I am still experiencing 100% awake time when the app is running.
If I kill it my phone will immedietly because to sleep normally. But each time I receive a phone call or open the app it will keep the phone from sleeping again.
I have been in contact with their support (which is how I received the Beta version) and have been sending Dumps their way, but was wondering if anyone else is experiencing this issue.
Info: Running Fresh 1.1 on a newly 1.56 RUU'ed hero.
crunchybutternut said:
I have been using YouMail's service on my phones for quite some time and was excited to see there was an app for Android, but after 2+ months of use (and several versions of the .apk, including the most recent Beta) I am still experiencing 100% awake time when the app is running.
If I kill it my phone will immedietly because to sleep normally. But each time I receive a phone call or open the app it will keep the phone from sleeping again.
I have been in contact with their support (which is how I received the Beta version) and have been sending Dumps their way, but was wondering if anyone else is experiencing this issue.
Info: Running Fresh 1.1 on a newly 1.56 RUU'ed hero.
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I stopped using the app because of this. I tried contacting support and was brushed off. I love the app but not the lack letting my phone sleep.
I am working with a developer of the app to fix the problem and have tested several versions. Will keep you updated of the progress.
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I am working with a developer of the app to fix the problem and have tested several versions. Will keep you updated of the progress.
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That would be great. Thanks for helping him out with this as I would love to use the app.
I don't mean to thread jack this, but.
Whats the difference in YouMail and our Sprint Visual Voice Mail? I have never used youMail.
Kcarpenter said:
I don't mean to thread jack this, but.
Whats the difference in YouMail and our Sprint Visual Voice Mail? I have never used youMail.
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YouMail http://www.youmail.com/home/index.do is a service that replaces Sprint's (or any other provider) voice mail service with their own. It allows you to set custom "smart" greetings for each caller in your contacts, among other things. Check out the site for more info.
Here is the latest response from the developer I have been working with.
Hi [Name],
I did some more research and can confirm that I see the same behavior as you when I run the YouMail app ('active' @ 100%)
I'm not exactly sure what the cause is, as the application is indeed going to sleep when it has nothing to do. The problem also seems to be quite widespread, affecting what seems to be "most" applications that loiter around in the background doing nothing for most of the time.
Since you use 'Spare Parts' you should notice that in there is a way of viewing the 'Partial Wake Lock' usage of a given application. According to the Android developer documentation this is the ONLY way an application can keep the phone "awake" other than 'prodding' it every 30 seconds or so (and you'd notice that 'coz the screen would never go off).
As long as that "Partial Wake Lock" value is low (and it should be unless you're constantly hitting "Menu -> Poll") it means the application is indeed behaving correctly.
All I can offer is that we develop a new feature into the app so that you can tell it to automatically exit when all of the automatic polling settings are disabled - that way the phone would literally shut down the app "sometime" after you back out of the message list. Do you think that's worth it? Or should we wait for HTC/T-Mobile to fix the root cause of the problem?
Doug
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And my response:
Do you mind if I share some of our conversation with a community forum? It might help get others involved and more feedback for you to use in further development.
As far as other apps loitering in the background, my understanding is that Android (using the same process as other Linux distros) keeps recently used applications in RAM to make them more quickly accessible to the user, and will clear them as the RAM is needed by other apps.
I have seen this issue in the past with other apps (i.e. the HTC messaging app locking the dialer and maintaining 100% awake time) but has all been resolved by updates to the apps themselves.
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Lastly, his response:
Feel free, I don't think I said anything bad
I we get enough requests from "the community" I'll be given time to add the 'exit when done' option (basically it'll become a "dumb" app that only checks for messages when you start it up instead of waking up every so often to check [like after you miss a call])
And yes, Android is a little stranger than normal in that it tends to leave applications running for an unspecified time after you "close" them. (basically until it needs to run something else, or it runs out of memory, or .....)
The YouMail app is a little different in that it runs as a background service and schedules the phone to wake it up whenever "events of interest" occur (you get a TXT, your phone rings, it needs to poll, etc) - so even if the OS does close the app because you logged onto "hugebitmaps.com" and the phone ran out of memory, it'll start it up again as soon as it can.
I suspect the HERO OS is not allowing the phone to sleep, even though the application is literally doing nothing. I don't recall this problem on my trusty G1 when it had Android 1.5, so maybe some of HTC's customizations have broken something
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I can post more of the conversation history if it would help. Anyone have any ideas what might be causing this beyond coding issues?
If anyone wants to send their YouMail log for inspection just enter this code in the dialer *#*#963867#*#* (*#*#YMDUMP#*#*) and it will let you send an email with the log's text.
Tried in 2.1 beta
"I suspect the HERO OS is not allowing the phone to sleep, even though the application is literally doing nothing. I don't recall this problem on my trusty G1 when it had Android 1.5, so maybe some of HTC's customizations have broken something "
I also tried using this app on the 2.1 ROM that Flipz and company have been working on, and had the same issue. I do not know enough programing to determine if this is a problem with OS or the app. I can only give you my experience and try other stuff out to see what the results are. I hope this helps.
Kevin
Hi, Doug from YouMail here.
Just noticed my words and thought I'd give an update - although not much good news.
I basically spent the last 2 days completely reworking the YouMail app's back end code so that anything and everything that could possibly be shut down when it isn't actually doing anything is indeed shut down.
When it came time to test it out -- 100% awake time again (although I stand by my earlier comments that "its not just us").
If I run the same app on a HTC G1 the phone will last a good 2 days (maybe more) without battery issues. If I uninstall the app the difference is minor.
This information, added to all the discussion on the Sprint forums about how the HTC "extras" that this phone comes bundled with have caused the same problem leads me to think that there is something in the Hero that's not behaving properly.
I see other comments like "It does the same on my <insert phone model here>" - well, we don't have unlimited resources, so if you can put the small amount of effort in to dial the 'dump' code mentioned above (*#*#963867#*#*) then maybe we can start to find a pattern here (maybe it's all the Android 1.5 based devices for example).
I'd also like to thank crunchybutternut for all of his assistance and time in trying to sort this issue out.
Doug
superman.namrepus said:
I also tried using this app on the 2.1 ROM that Flipz and company have been working on, and had the same issue. I do not know enough programing to determine if this is a problem with OS or the app. I can only give you my experience and try other stuff out to see what the results are. I hope this helps.
Kevin
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If I can get in touch with someone who has access to the "guts" of the device and that can help me determine whats going wrong then that would be great. Neither the Android developer list nor the HTC forums are particularly helpful when it comes to tricky problems.
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Anyone have some insight on this?
Ok - If someone working on one of these custom builds is prepared to lend a little assistance I'm willing to put a custom build on my phone and try to debug this a little deeper. However, with the number of hours that I get to work on this app.... and all the "fun" blocks that Google have been putting in our way w.r.t Android 2.x, I may not get much more time to work this problem.
That being said, I'm going to try experimenting with a new test app that just adds (one at a time) the raw features of the YouMail app in the hope that a single change triggers this wonderful problem you guys have. If that's the case then I'll put on my Sherlock Holmes hat and try to work around whatever is causing it.
Doug
Any news ?
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Got this from ymDoug:
No progress as yet - not seen anything from xda folks either.
I've made *massive* changes to ensure the app is shutting down absolutely everything it can when it has nothing to do - still no joy.
I've even gone through a lot of the Android source code and can't find anything that would indicate I'm doing anything wrong. There is one debugging method I'd dearly love to call inside the Google Android code (it dumps out a list of who is keeping the phone awake at any point in time) but the method is only accessible to (a) Google, and (b) People who cook their own ROMs. The official Android people are doing their usual stand-up job of ignoring the difficult questions
I am still making the odd change here and there, and my test app doesn't seem to be having the same problems (of course)
Regardless, there will be an updated version on the web site in the next day or so - I'll need to ensure my changes haven't completely screwed things up
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Doug has made some changes, does not seem to completely resolve the sleep issue though.
Here's the link to the change log:
http://forums.youmail.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=18
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FYI: The version in the market is several revisions behind.
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My push notifications from thirdparty apps and live tiles stop working very regularyly which is a shame since the platform heavily depends on this.
It fails to open a channel etc.
Is microsoft fixing this bug in the os? Since now they say yeah just do a factory rest and it should be fine. But i dont wat to lose my settings.
And a restart temporarely fixes it but after an hour or so its terrible again.
or are the ms servers just over crowded already? I dont like apple but my dads iphone just kept working while mine stopped receiving the toasts
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My push notifications from thirdparty apps and live tiles stop working very regularyly which is a shame since the platform heavily depends on this.
It fails to open a channel etc.
Is microsoft fixing this bug in the os? Since now they say yeah just do a factory rest and it should be fine. But i dont wat to lose my settings.
And a restart temporarely fixes it but after an hour or so its terrible again.
or are the ms servers just over crowded already? I dont like apple but my dads iphone just kept working while mine stopped receiving the toasts
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Toasts and tile updates come from the app developers servers, so depending on the platform they use there may be some down time. The Beezz twitter client occasionally stops working, but it's a free app and not ad supported so we should be lucky it has toasts and tile notifications at all.
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Toasts and tile updates come from the app developers servers, so depending on the platform they use there may be some down time. The Beezz twitter client occasionally stops working, but it's a free app and not ad supported so we should be lucky it has toasts and tile notifications at all.
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not really since tested with the same apps at the same time. Its probably because it goes to the ms servers and fails to deliver timely. Also the unable to open a channel is not related to their servers i believe? Its related to a channel not able to open on the ms servers. Downtime should probably be equal when using the same apps on ios and wp7 sending out to each other, the messages do get delivered in app just no or really really delayed notifications. Like 20 minutes and then it just works normal for a while.. Then stops again. Other than this i really like the platform.
So i wonder does anybody else experience trouble? And which is the program you use which seems to be stable all times?
I'm experiencing the same troubles on my omnia 7.
Following programs do have some problems:
-Fim: Unable to open the channel - push notifications don't work anymore.
-TextMe: Push Notifications sometimes work - but with a delay of approx. 20 minutes
Following programs don't have any problems:
-Hotmail
-Messenger by Miyo
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This is really annoying - since a "usual" restart of the device doesn't help, i think i will have to do a hard reset (i wonder if this will help at all). But i don't want to lose all my settings, installed applications, short messages etc. So this really is a PITA.
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I'm experiencing the same troubles on my omnia 7.
Following programs do have some problems:
-Fim: Unable to open the channel - push notifications don't work anymore.
-TextMe: Push Notifications sometimes work - but with a delay of approx. 20 minutes
Following programs don't have any problems:
-Hotmail
-Messenger by Miyo
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This is really annoying - since a "usual" restart of the device doesn't help, i think i will have to do a hard reset (i wonder if this will help at all). But i don't want to lose all my settings, installed applications, short messages etc. So this really is a PITA.
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hardreset, would that really help? I think it wont really help. I have the same phone same apps and same problems also with tigertext send to wp7 and notes to tile.
i dont have the time and or want to hardreset. It might be a driver thing with the 3g etc. If nobody with other phones is experiencing this. I think hardreset changes nothig and will return to same behaviour. I will hardreset when the update comes or see if this will fix it.
20 Minutes is just strange conpared to instant on iphone and happens a lot
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Did a hardreset. Tested the push again, ait a damn thing changed besides that I lost all my settings and stuff. Its just not working right. And probably a samsung driver or a ms server/os issue....
Does nobody else experience push notification downtime? Or delays? It's just not the way it should work. IM apps and Text replacement apps can never work properly in the background with these delays...
@Marvin_S which apps, specifically are you having trouble with? It could very well be that the developers servers have been down or slow.
I haven't had any Live Tile problems that couldn't directly be traced back to either the app dev's server or the way they've implemented notifications. Not on my Omnia 7 nor the HD2. Afaik, and I'm pretty sure I'd have heard about it - the wife's Omnia7 is doing just fine also. Have you tried flashing the new updated ROM? That seemed to fix a bunch of data issues.
Oh, as for the 20 minute thing, I've never seen this. Beezz for example notifies me (via toasts) in about a second or so.
Beezz has never worked for me. I always get an error whenever I try to enable push. The same happens for GReadie. I get a fail to open channel error. The weatherbug app also stopped working.
Right now my HTC hub live tile works. Its the only 3rd party live tile app I use.
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@Marvin_S which apps, specifically are you having trouble with? It could very well be that the developers servers have been down or slow.
I haven't had any Live Tile problems that couldn't directly be traced back to either the app dev's server or the way they've implemented notifications. Not on my Omnia 7 nor the HD2. Afaik, and I'm pretty sure I'd have heard about it - the wife's Omnia7 is doing just fine also. Have you tried flashing the new updated ROM? That seemed to fix a bunch of data issues.
Oh, as for the 20 minute thing, I've never seen this. Beezz for example notifies me (via toasts) in about a second or so.
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Well I seem to be running the latest version pre-installed by samsung... i asked in the omnia7 forum what kind of rom I was running.
Well the thing is, it builds up all the notifications and than releases them all after each other 20 minutes later.
Basically these apps: Textme and tigertext (which I tried later to see if it could replace textme, very kind and responsive developers btw)
Also send to wp7, which often than comes up with the failed to open channel stuff.
If this rom should rely fix it, then I will just reflash it eve though its exactly the same rom... I think it has something to do with losing 3g+ signal, or wifi drops.
I'm testing the reliablility heavily since I such problems by sending constant test messages to myself (or to the echo server) the messages are received fine, but the toast is so unreliable.
Can you maybe type the versions of your firmware so I can compare it with mine? Because its for sure not an app problem since the messages all come later from diffrent apps. My test flow is like this: Open app, send message, close, send message with the second app, close and than wait. If it takes to long, open app again, resend. Sometimes it works quite right for a while, than teribly bad.
And note that I'm from a crowded area with lots of cellphone towers and have also good wifi coverage in the places I tested it. Same apps on the iphone work without problems, I compared side by side as well.
So it might just be my omnia, thats why I would like to hear which versions you are running. Since hardreset did not change a thing, I'm starting to believe its or a driver problem or ms-servers are overcrowded. I would like to try beez and see if its diffrent, however I dont havee twitter and i guess its required.
I don't think the newer ROM from Samsung fixes anything, because i installed it. Version 2424.10.11.1
but perhaps the region affects this problem, e.g. North-American Azure-Servers work fine while European Servers are struggling.
I personally have massive problems with push notifications since monday or so, and it's really starting to pi** me off!
Hard resetting idny going to fix anything permenitly because it is not the phone it is the apps just gotta wait for and update to fix
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Weird. I'm using Beezz, SendToWP7, uController, eBay, Weatherbug and probably a few others using toast and/or live tile notification. Beezz server seems to go down every so often, but both uController and SendToWP7 notifies me real quick.
I'm running the latest Omnia 7 ROM as people said it was slightly faster and had a better data connection - that said, I was entirely happy with the phone even before updating.
I did a hard reset/reinstall of my apps and such, I'm still having intermittent push problems with some apps, and with others the push won't work at all. I will say that it seems to be the same apps having the same problems, and the ones that always have worked (weather bug) still work.
I'm thinking (hoping, praying!) this is a problem simply because of the infancy of the OS...I remember the first iphone, which I bought on day one, had all sorts of problems and "gaps" in technology
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Weird. I'm using Beezz, SendToWP7, uController, eBay, Weatherbug and probably a few others using toast and/or live tile notification. Beezz server seems to go down every so often, but both uController and SendToWP7 notifies me real quick.
I'm running the latest Omnia 7 ROM as people said it was slightly faster and had a better data connection - that said, I was entirely happy with the phone even before updating.
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oKe im running the latest rom since the beginning. Created fake twitter account sended a ton of messages. Crap as hell, very unreliable and today i was not able to load fb app data on 3g full bars. So it can be a phone problem on drivers with data over 3g, while 3g+ works fine. Probably euopean servers are overloaded than. Does changing my location from USA based (im dutch) To germany change the servers as well? Bc germany is much closer thus more reliable?
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I did a hard reset/reinstall of my apps and such, I'm still having intermittent push problems with some apps, and with others the push won't work at all. I will say that it seems to be the same apps having the same problems, and the ones that always have worked (weather bug) still work.
I'm thinking (hoping, praying!) this is a problem simply because of the infancy of the OS...I remember the first iphone, which I bought on day one, had all sorts of problems and "gaps" in technology
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Its the apps not the phone the apps need to be updated inorder to work on the os not the other way around
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v hubris v said:
Its the apps not the phone the apps need to be updated inorder to work on the os not the other way around
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this is not the case, read my post. Has nothing to do with the apps since ALL apps behave like this, it has nothing to do with the apps itself but probably slow ms servers. So no this is really an os or server or device firmware problem and not an app. Since all notifications come at the same time all after eachother highly delayed.
Apps have own servers they Sony go threw ms os is not mad for apparently apparently are made for os if apparently no work on os they need update
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Apps have own servers they Sony go threw ms os is not mad for apparently apparently are made for os if apparently no work on os they need update
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its not the problem of the apps! Since all apps fail at the same time to update. This is no coincidence, only a restart or waiting will solve this and than all notifications not yet delivered by multiple apps come at once! Now tell me how this is an app poblem,its the phone who is not able to receive the push even on wifi. The apps do deliver, but there is a huge delay even with beez which i checked with fake twiter account.
Every once in a while the phone just fails to receive any data based push notifications! All of them. While i do have wifi and or 3g. On 3g+ it seems to be more stable.
This could be europe related or omnia related. And narrowing this down will help dtermine the issue, since the apps are not the problem. These work fine for the others...
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This could be europe related or omnia related. And narrowing this down will help dtermine the issue, since the apps are not the problem. These work fine for the others...
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It is neither Europe or Omnia related as I'm using the 16GB Omnia7 in Europe (slightly north of you) at the moment without fail.
If it really is all apps, I would suggest there is a problem with your data connection - are you able to browse the web properly and without pages having to reload or taking a long time to open? If not, make sure you are indeed within range of, either, 3G/HSDPA or WiFi - if you are, and it works fine on another phone/laptop I would say you have a hardware fault and need to take the device back for a replacement.
Several things to be aware of with live tiles and notifications.
I am a developer of a few apps and offer push notification and live tile updates i have done alot of testing and know the ins and outs of this..
1st there is a such thing of the phone not being able to "open a notification channel" and Hard Reset is the only way to correct this.
2nd it is possable that the app developer side to also be the problem not sending because of their service going down server problems etc.
3rd when your batt. get to be less than 1/4 percent the notification service shuts down on the phone and you will not recieve updates. once the batt is above the 1/4 percent the service will then start working again.
4th sometimes the push service is delayed due to MS.
Hope this helps to better understand.
My Apps
World Weather (Live Tile)
TV Show Alert (uses Push Notification)
To Doos (Comming soon Push, Live Tile)
Dear devs,
http://www.bgr.com/2011/07/01/skype-for-android-updated-with-video-calling-support-video/
After reading that article, I'd like to formally request someone to find a way to make this work on the Charge! Finally, we can Skype someone on a computer (PC/Mac) or on any Android or iPhone! Amazing. It's also about time.
And this edited Skype does not work on the Charge: http://www.phonearena.com/news/Skyp...alls-working-on-non-supported-devices_id20025
Apparently it works on the charge but you have to be on a gingerbread rom.
Interesting, would be nice to finally have a use for this front-facing camera(there are other apps but no one uses them, all the people I know use Skype).
Also, sorry for derailing but I'm going to assume you use Skype on your Charge, do you know how to stop it from auto-starting? I usually just open it, check who's online, send my messages, etc and task kill it but sometimes I'll hear the sound of it starting up (whether I'm using the phone or not). It just keeps my phone awake and kills battery, do you know how to stop this..?
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Interesting, would be nice to finally have a use for this front-facing camera(there are other apps but no one uses them, all the people I know use Skype).
Also, sorry for derailing but I'm going to assume you use Skype on your Charge, do you know how to stop it from auto-starting? I usually just open it, check who's online, send my messages, etc and task kill it but sometimes I'll hear the sound of it starting up (whether I'm using the phone or not). It just keeps my phone awake and kills battery, do you know how to stop this..?
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Well on Windows it has the option of choosing not to startup with windows. I haven't checked it on Android.
Heh thanks anyway. So I'm assuming Skype hasn't let out any official word on the Charge(or any other phone) video call release date, I didn't hear anything about this initial update at all so I'm guessing it's just going to be surprises from here on out.
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Interesting, would be nice to finally have a use for this front-facing camera(there are other apps but no one uses them, all the people I know use Skype).
Also, sorry for derailing but I'm going to assume you use Skype on your Charge, do you know how to stop it from auto-starting? I usually just open it, check who's online, send my messages, etc and task kill it but sometimes I'll hear the sound of it starting up (whether I'm using the phone or not). It just keeps my phone awake and kills battery, do you know how to stop this..?
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You have to go to the My Info tab and then press the menu button to access settings. In there, you can find a box to uncheck for starting automatically.
I updated to 7720 and machine becomes even slower.
Here is a list of problems that I have (not only in 7720 version, some of them exist in official OS too)
1. Two alarms set at the same time will halt the system. The only solution is re-starting the machine.
2. Can NOT "answer" call when system is in sleep mode. No re-start needed but clicking the power button to light the screen first.
3. Noise in the alert during a new email comes in.
4. System acts very slowly in some xbox-live games. (Ex. PES 2011, it looks like need more memory)
5. Machine always shown a new voice mail in my mailbox, even my voice box is empty. I have not find any solution for this yet.
My question is, does MS take care of WP7 seriously?
1. Do we need the battery percentage number?
Yes, we do. Click setting --> battery --> scroll down to the end to see the little precious number.
2. Do we need to turn on/off wiki, 3G data?
Yes, we do. Setting --> wifi--> on/off and setting --> data -> on/off
I did NOT understand how MS claims this is a productivity lift as using a WP7 phone.
Educated me please.
my answer is ...................... go jump off a roof to solve all your problems by "machine" i suppose you he mean the MOBILE PHONE.. but why machine..? it's not like it is a car or something.. nevermind.. about your problem... if you really have updated to build 7220 (which actually is not a OFFICIAL or any LEAKED build) then the problem you're facing will be because of that build.. however.. if your build number is a typo, then your build should be 7720 and i would suggest you to reinstall the software and see if there's any improvment.. i havent updated to 7720 i'm still on 7712 but everything is working like a charm.. and the answer to your last question.. YES!! Microsoft is REALLY taking care of the windows phone development.. the only problem is they follow Apple's footsteps.. making your phone better with bitesizes
Troll...... Listen up.
1st This is the wrong section to be posting in.
2nd Im willing to bet the problems that your having are more of user error issues that anything else.
If you dont like WP7, sell your phone and get a new one with a differnt OS. Problem sloved.
I am not native English speaker. So the machine in my dictionary means mobile phone.
my problem is not only in 7720 build. I hope i can say it works like a charm.
unfortunately it does not.
anyway, thank you for your inputs.
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my answer is ...................... go jump off a roof to solve all your problems by "machine" i suppose you he mean the MOBILE PHONE.. but why machine..? it's not like it is a car or something.. nevermind.. about your problem... if you really have updated to build 7220 (which actually is not a OFFICIAL or any LEAKED build) then the problem you're facing will be because of that build.. however.. if your build number is a typo, then your build should be 7720 and i would suggest you to reinstall the software and see if there's any improvment.. i havent updated to 7720 i'm still on 7712 but everything is working like a charm.. and the answer to your last question.. YES!! Microsoft is REALLY taking care of the windows phone development.. the only problem is they follow Apple's footsteps.. making your phone better with bitesizes
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Should I sell my self and get a new life if i do not like?
tell me where i speak speak out? call MS or complaint on BBB? i do not have MR. gate's number. tell you something, you sounds like my dear communist party leader.
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Troll...... Listen up.
1st This is the wrong section to be posting in.
2nd Im willing to bet the problems that your having are more of user error issues that anything else.
If you dont like WP7, sell your phone and get a new one with a differnt OS. Problem sloved.
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This is a development thread, you should be posting in the general or questions section. I know english is your second languge, but I do think you should be able to read well enough to figure that out. And if you have a terrible life change it up, dont just sit there complaining. So the same goes for your phone, if you dont like your OS change to a different one.
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I updated to 7720 and machine becomes even slower.
Here is a list of problems that I have (not only in 7720 version, some of them exist in official OS too)
1. Two alarms set at the same time will halt the system. The only solution is re-starting the machine.
2. Can NOT "answer" call when system is in sleep mode. No re-start needed but clicking the power button to light the screen first.
3. Noise in the alert during a new email comes in.
4. System acts very slowly in some xbox-live games. (Ex. PES 2011, it looks like need more memory)
5. Machine always shown a new voice mail in my mailbox, even my voice box is empty. I have not find any solution for this yet.
My question is, does MS take care of WP7 seriously?
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my focus on 7720 exhibits NONE of those issues. i would say it's either your phone specifically, your sofware (reload it) or you.
msft has been the most proactive in listening to their consumer base compared to any of the other mobile OS providers.
I can't speak about the games but I don't have any of the other problems with my WP7 build 7712.
The last one is an issue with either your carrier or your SIM.
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1. Do we need the battery percentage number?
Yes, we do. Click setting --> battery --> scroll down to the end to see the little precious number.
2. Do we need to turn on/off wiki, 3G data?
Yes, we do. Setting --> wifi--> on/off and setting --> data -> on/off
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A lot of the promise of WP7 is to eliminate the need for some of the obsessive low-level tweaking and constant tinkering needed to get the most from a mobile phone.
In other words, why do you actually want to constantly be turning off wi-fi and 3G data? Probably because other phones and previous experience tells you that you have to do those things in order to prolong your battery life. Same with battery meters.
With WP7 I no longer feel the need to know the exact percentage of battery remaining. The user experience is optimized to focus on productivity and not on obsessive details. I am very happy to have tiles with my loved ones, apps I use a lot, facebook updates, and inboxes on my home screen instead of having to clutter it up with gauges and switches.
If you really can't live without those things, I suggest Android. Again I'll say that they're only necessary to overcome traditional shortcomings of other mobile platforms.
The first is indeed a big problem, android has a good deal.Hope to solve the problem ms
I finally figured out the reason why Google Voice notifications for new messages weren't showing up for me. It turns out to be a stupid bug in GV.
Once I would be done setting up GV, I would go into "Settings" and check the option for "Voicemail display - view and play voicemails from the phone call log". Well, I accidentally found out this is the culprit. I unchecked this today just for the heck of it, and lo and behold GV notifications starting appearing again
This had been bugging me no end for the last month. Hope this helps anybody else in a similar situation.
Rajiv
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I finally figured out the reason why Google Voice notifications for new messages weren't showing up for me. It turns out to be a stupid bug in GV.
Once I would be done setting up GV, I would go into "Settings" and check the option for "Voicemail display - view and play voicemails from the phone call log". Well, I accidentally found out this is the culprit. I unchecked this today just for the heck of it, and lo and behold GV notifications starting appearing again
This had been bugging me no end for the last month. Hope this helps anybody else in a similar situation.
Rajiv
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I can confirm, I noticed this about a week ago. But I also did the fix here... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=26061058&postcount=2 so I wasn't sure which one did the trick. Either way, glad GV is finally working properly!
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RofSpark said:
I finally figured out the reason why Google Voice notifications for new messages weren't showing up for me. It turns out to be a stupid bug in GV.
Once I would be done setting up GV, I would go into "Settings" and check the option for "Voicemail display - view and play voicemails from the phone call log". Well, I accidentally found out this is the culprit. I unchecked this today just for the heck of it, and lo and behold GV notifications starting appearing again
This had been bugging me no end for the last month. Hope this helps anybody else in a similar situation.
Rajiv
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Thanks for the tip, but FWIW, I have always that option unchecked and I still have issues with getting notifications. the weird thing for me is that the notifications immediately pop up once I open google voice. I think there is some sort of issue with the app processing correctly in the background, but I'm no dev so not sure how/if you check for coding or troubleshoot how the program is written to interact with ICS.
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Thanks for the tip, but FWIW, I have always that option unchecked and I still have issues with getting notifications. the weird thing for me is that the notifications immediately pop up once I open google voice. I think there is some sort of issue with the app processing correctly in the background, but I'm no dev so not sure how/if you check for coding or troubleshoot how the program is written to interact with ICS.
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Have you also tried what I linked to in my post right above yours? Like I said, I did that and what RofSpark said to do and I am getting consistent and immediate notifications of voicemails.
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Have you also tried what I linked to in my post right above yours? Like I said, I did that and what RofSpark said to do and I am getting consistent and immediate notifications of voicemails.
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I have tried that, too, yes. For the first couple of weeks, my GV was working fine, notifications and all. I had zero problems after setting it up. But the last 3+ weeks, it has been giving me zero notifications in my status bar until I open the app, and my email notifications (which are how I've been seeing that I have voicemails) are delayed quite a bit.
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Once I would be done setting up GV, I would go into "Settings" and check the option for "Voicemail display - view and play voicemails from the phone call log". Well, I accidentally found out this is the culprit. I unchecked this today just for the heck of it, and lo and behold GV notifications starting appearing again
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I did that on Day 3 after not getting any notifications on GV and has been working for weeks just fine.
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I have tried that, too, yes. For the first couple of weeks, my GV was working fine, notifications and all. I had zero problems after setting it up. But the last 3+ weeks, it has been giving me zero notifications in my status bar until I open the app, and my email notifications (which are how I've been seeing that I have voicemails) are delayed quite a bit.
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Are you completely stock or are you running a custom ROM? I'm running Scott's excellent CleanROM SE ver. 2.6 and perhaps this also has something to do with things? I have very little multitasking issues now and things keep trucking nicely in the background...
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Are you completely stock or are you running a custom ROM? I'm running Scott's excellent CleanROM SE ver. 2.6 and perhaps this also has something to do with things? I have very little multitasking issues now and things keep trucking nicely in the background...
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I can confirm it works on CleanROM DE 3.0, no experience with Scott's SE version however.
I did check with Scott, and he confirmed he does not see any reason why GV notifications would not work with any of his ROMs. In fact, he uses GV too and confirmed that he has not noticed any notification issues on his phone.
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I can confirm, I noticed this about a week ago. But I also did the fix here... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=26061058&postcount=2 so I wasn't sure which one did the trick. Either way, glad GV is finally working properly!
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I did extensive tests and determined its the "Voicemail display" checkbox that breaks the notifications. The link in your post is absolutely required to correctly set up GV forwarding on the HOX. That is my standard procedure for setting up GV now.
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I did that on Day 3 after not getting any notifications on GV and has been working for weeks just fine.
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Twice, now, I have uninstalled and disassociated GV from my phone, then reinstalled and redone the entire setup process. I've always uncheck the view and play voicemails in the call log option, as well as used the dialer code for ensureing the voicemail is properly forwarded and GV is used. Nothig has helped my issue.
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Are you completely stock or are you running a custom ROM? I'm running Scott's excellent CleanROM SE ver. 2.6 and perhaps this also has something to do with things? I have very little multitasking issues now and things keep trucking nicely in the background...
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I am running unrooted and totally stock, save for some disabling of preinstalled crapware. maybe i need to start enabling one AT&T service at a time to see if they help resolve the issue?
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Twice, now, I have uninstalled and disassociated GV from my phone, then reinstalled and redone the entire setup process. I've always uncheck the view and play voicemails in the call log option, as well as used the dialer code for ensureing the voicemail is properly forwarded and GV is used. Nothig has helped my issue.
I am running unrooted and totally stock, save for some disabling of preinstalled crapware. maybe i need to start enabling one AT&T service at a time to see if they help resolve the issue?
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Though not very sure, I think I have read a number of people had notification issues around push emails and text messages on the stock ROM. People were either not getting these notifications or getting them quite late. Maybe this is more to do with problems in the notification subsystem of the stock ROM. Do you plan to root and unlock to install a custom ROM? Maybe that's the ticket to get this working.
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Though not very sure, I think I have read a number of people had notification issues around push emails and text messages on the stock ROM. People were either not getting these notifications or getting them quite late. Maybe this is more to do with problems in the notification subsystem of the stock ROM. Do you plan to root and unlock to install a custom ROM? Maybe that's the ticket to get this working.
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I'm considering going over to CleanROM at some point. I'm stock now and just updated to 1.85 from the OTA. I waited a few on the update and read some claims that this update helped some of the general notification issues. Doesn't seem to have helped me with GV notifications but ill give it a few days (updated yesterday afternoon). I've been holding off rooting because I'm leery about it effecting my company's IT privileges and forced encryption as I rely heavily on my corporate email and am forced to endure some heavy administrative control due to sensitivity of the client work I deal with.
It does seem that rooting and running a custom rom is the way to eventually go. The devs here are so swift at identifying and fixing these little issues. I just need to take the time to parse through the thousands of posts regarding the custom roms I've looked at and see if they'll work for me.
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It does seem that rooting and running a custom rom is the way to eventually go. The devs here are so swift at identifying and fixing these little issues. I just need to take the time to parse through the thousands of posts regarding the custom roms I've looked at and see if they'll work for me.
Sent from my HTC One X using XDA
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If it helps I can confirm all notifications are now working for me on Scott's CleanROM DE 3.0. It is a great ROM, very lightweight with most of bloat removed including Sense launcher (replaced by Apex, which is fantastic). Scott is extremely active in addressing any issues and continued development of all his ROMs.
Feel free to reach out to me if you decide to move to this one and need any clarification or help. Good luck.
Yeah, I haven't had any notification problems since I switched to CleanROM.
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If it helps I can confirm all notifications are now working for me on Scott's CleanROM DE 3.0. It is a great ROM, very lightweight with most of bloat removed including Sense launcher (replaced by Apex, which is fantastic). Scott is extremely active in addressing any issues and continued development of all his ROMs.
Feel free to reach out to me if you decide to move to this one and need any clarification or help. Good luck.
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Thanks a lot for the info and offer. I will most likely look into CleanROM DE later in the week when I have some free time. I've read about it quite a bit, but I am not well-versed in rooting phones and flashing new ROMs, so I will likely need all the help I can get. I am definitely a noob, but I read these boards extensively, so I'll do my research and possibly PM if I've got any specific questions that I can't find answers for when going into a potential root.
This may be a silly concept, but on some of these older phones, would it be possible to create a branch of CYGN development that simply removes the phone component of the rom? My idea is that all the functions would remain, but simply be disabled/hidden from the user. This could add some life to older phones whose cellular radios have malfunctioned, or people like me who simply like the CYGN interface, and would want to have a mp3/video player like this.
Additionally, the standard development would remain, so that if the phone needed to be re-purposed again, all you would need to do would be to flash the "+phone" rom.
Anyone care to tell me if/how bad an idea this is?
Thanks
Why can't those people who don't have a working phone part just ignore it and use it as a media device rather than flashing a whole new ROM just to get rid of it.
right, but supposedly there is a phone server that would suck some battery,
but it could be accomplished by putting the device in airplane mode.
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right, but supposedly there is a phone server that would suck some battery,
but it could be accomplished by putting the device in airplane mode.
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Well, being able to browse the web, or stream music would still be useful, I think.
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Well, being able to browse the web, or stream music would still be useful, I think.
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Then toggle WiFi back on.
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limeaide said:
Then toggle WiFi back on.
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Hell, is that all it takes? I thought "Airplane Mode" disabled all radios...
How destructive do you believe it would be to disable/uninstall the "phone" or "dialer" apps? Or is that not recommended under any circumstances?
Thanks again for your reply
Seems like a lot of work to compile a ROM and go through all the trouble, just don't use the dialer, and if you do, so what, no sim, no call, no money.
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Hell, is that all it takes? I thought "Airplane Mode" disabled all radios...
How destructive do you believe it would be to disable/uninstall the "phone" or "dialer" apps? Or is that not recommended under any circumstances?
Thanks again for your reply
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You can use apps like titanium backup to freeze the app and test yourself. I think it should work but there is a chance for a force close loop that can only be fixed by reinstalling the ROM.
Want to add I would leave the dialer just take it off the home screen because it is a law that even without service cell phones have to be able to dial emergency numbers. Without it if something happened and you needed to dial 911 it would be there.
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