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I have been using YouMail's service on my phones for quite some time and was excited to see there was an app for Android, but after 2+ months of use (and several versions of the .apk, including the most recent Beta) I am still experiencing 100% awake time when the app is running.
If I kill it my phone will immedietly because to sleep normally. But each time I receive a phone call or open the app it will keep the phone from sleeping again.
I have been in contact with their support (which is how I received the Beta version) and have been sending Dumps their way, but was wondering if anyone else is experiencing this issue.
Info: Running Fresh 1.1 on a newly 1.56 RUU'ed hero.
crunchybutternut said:
I have been using YouMail's service on my phones for quite some time and was excited to see there was an app for Android, but after 2+ months of use (and several versions of the .apk, including the most recent Beta) I am still experiencing 100% awake time when the app is running.
If I kill it my phone will immedietly because to sleep normally. But each time I receive a phone call or open the app it will keep the phone from sleeping again.
I have been in contact with their support (which is how I received the Beta version) and have been sending Dumps their way, but was wondering if anyone else is experiencing this issue.
Info: Running Fresh 1.1 on a newly 1.56 RUU'ed hero.
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I stopped using the app because of this. I tried contacting support and was brushed off. I love the app but not the lack letting my phone sleep.
I am working with a developer of the app to fix the problem and have tested several versions. Will keep you updated of the progress.
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I am working with a developer of the app to fix the problem and have tested several versions. Will keep you updated of the progress.
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That would be great. Thanks for helping him out with this as I would love to use the app.
I don't mean to thread jack this, but.
Whats the difference in YouMail and our Sprint Visual Voice Mail? I have never used youMail.
Kcarpenter said:
I don't mean to thread jack this, but.
Whats the difference in YouMail and our Sprint Visual Voice Mail? I have never used youMail.
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YouMail http://www.youmail.com/home/index.do is a service that replaces Sprint's (or any other provider) voice mail service with their own. It allows you to set custom "smart" greetings for each caller in your contacts, among other things. Check out the site for more info.
Here is the latest response from the developer I have been working with.
Hi [Name],
I did some more research and can confirm that I see the same behavior as you when I run the YouMail app ('active' @ 100%)
I'm not exactly sure what the cause is, as the application is indeed going to sleep when it has nothing to do. The problem also seems to be quite widespread, affecting what seems to be "most" applications that loiter around in the background doing nothing for most of the time.
Since you use 'Spare Parts' you should notice that in there is a way of viewing the 'Partial Wake Lock' usage of a given application. According to the Android developer documentation this is the ONLY way an application can keep the phone "awake" other than 'prodding' it every 30 seconds or so (and you'd notice that 'coz the screen would never go off).
As long as that "Partial Wake Lock" value is low (and it should be unless you're constantly hitting "Menu -> Poll") it means the application is indeed behaving correctly.
All I can offer is that we develop a new feature into the app so that you can tell it to automatically exit when all of the automatic polling settings are disabled - that way the phone would literally shut down the app "sometime" after you back out of the message list. Do you think that's worth it? Or should we wait for HTC/T-Mobile to fix the root cause of the problem?
Doug
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And my response:
Do you mind if I share some of our conversation with a community forum? It might help get others involved and more feedback for you to use in further development.
As far as other apps loitering in the background, my understanding is that Android (using the same process as other Linux distros) keeps recently used applications in RAM to make them more quickly accessible to the user, and will clear them as the RAM is needed by other apps.
I have seen this issue in the past with other apps (i.e. the HTC messaging app locking the dialer and maintaining 100% awake time) but has all been resolved by updates to the apps themselves.
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Lastly, his response:
Feel free, I don't think I said anything bad
I we get enough requests from "the community" I'll be given time to add the 'exit when done' option (basically it'll become a "dumb" app that only checks for messages when you start it up instead of waking up every so often to check [like after you miss a call])
And yes, Android is a little stranger than normal in that it tends to leave applications running for an unspecified time after you "close" them. (basically until it needs to run something else, or it runs out of memory, or .....)
The YouMail app is a little different in that it runs as a background service and schedules the phone to wake it up whenever "events of interest" occur (you get a TXT, your phone rings, it needs to poll, etc) - so even if the OS does close the app because you logged onto "hugebitmaps.com" and the phone ran out of memory, it'll start it up again as soon as it can.
I suspect the HERO OS is not allowing the phone to sleep, even though the application is literally doing nothing. I don't recall this problem on my trusty G1 when it had Android 1.5, so maybe some of HTC's customizations have broken something
Doug
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I can post more of the conversation history if it would help. Anyone have any ideas what might be causing this beyond coding issues?
If anyone wants to send their YouMail log for inspection just enter this code in the dialer *#*#963867#*#* (*#*#YMDUMP#*#*) and it will let you send an email with the log's text.
Tried in 2.1 beta
"I suspect the HERO OS is not allowing the phone to sleep, even though the application is literally doing nothing. I don't recall this problem on my trusty G1 when it had Android 1.5, so maybe some of HTC's customizations have broken something "
I also tried using this app on the 2.1 ROM that Flipz and company have been working on, and had the same issue. I do not know enough programing to determine if this is a problem with OS or the app. I can only give you my experience and try other stuff out to see what the results are. I hope this helps.
Kevin
Hi, Doug from YouMail here.
Just noticed my words and thought I'd give an update - although not much good news.
I basically spent the last 2 days completely reworking the YouMail app's back end code so that anything and everything that could possibly be shut down when it isn't actually doing anything is indeed shut down.
When it came time to test it out -- 100% awake time again (although I stand by my earlier comments that "its not just us").
If I run the same app on a HTC G1 the phone will last a good 2 days (maybe more) without battery issues. If I uninstall the app the difference is minor.
This information, added to all the discussion on the Sprint forums about how the HTC "extras" that this phone comes bundled with have caused the same problem leads me to think that there is something in the Hero that's not behaving properly.
I see other comments like "It does the same on my <insert phone model here>" - well, we don't have unlimited resources, so if you can put the small amount of effort in to dial the 'dump' code mentioned above (*#*#963867#*#*) then maybe we can start to find a pattern here (maybe it's all the Android 1.5 based devices for example).
I'd also like to thank crunchybutternut for all of his assistance and time in trying to sort this issue out.
Doug
superman.namrepus said:
I also tried using this app on the 2.1 ROM that Flipz and company have been working on, and had the same issue. I do not know enough programing to determine if this is a problem with OS or the app. I can only give you my experience and try other stuff out to see what the results are. I hope this helps.
Kevin
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If I can get in touch with someone who has access to the "guts" of the device and that can help me determine whats going wrong then that would be great. Neither the Android developer list nor the HTC forums are particularly helpful when it comes to tricky problems.
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Anyone have some insight on this?
Ok - If someone working on one of these custom builds is prepared to lend a little assistance I'm willing to put a custom build on my phone and try to debug this a little deeper. However, with the number of hours that I get to work on this app.... and all the "fun" blocks that Google have been putting in our way w.r.t Android 2.x, I may not get much more time to work this problem.
That being said, I'm going to try experimenting with a new test app that just adds (one at a time) the raw features of the YouMail app in the hope that a single change triggers this wonderful problem you guys have. If that's the case then I'll put on my Sherlock Holmes hat and try to work around whatever is causing it.
Doug
Any news ?
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Any news ?
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Got this from ymDoug:
No progress as yet - not seen anything from xda folks either.
I've made *massive* changes to ensure the app is shutting down absolutely everything it can when it has nothing to do - still no joy.
I've even gone through a lot of the Android source code and can't find anything that would indicate I'm doing anything wrong. There is one debugging method I'd dearly love to call inside the Google Android code (it dumps out a list of who is keeping the phone awake at any point in time) but the method is only accessible to (a) Google, and (b) People who cook their own ROMs. The official Android people are doing their usual stand-up job of ignoring the difficult questions
I am still making the odd change here and there, and my test app doesn't seem to be having the same problems (of course)
Regardless, there will be an updated version on the web site in the next day or so - I'll need to ensure my changes haven't completely screwed things up
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Doug has made some changes, does not seem to completely resolve the sleep issue though.
Here's the link to the change log:
http://forums.youmail.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=18
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FYI: The version in the market is several revisions behind.
Dear devs,
http://www.bgr.com/2011/07/01/skype-for-android-updated-with-video-calling-support-video/
After reading that article, I'd like to formally request someone to find a way to make this work on the Charge! Finally, we can Skype someone on a computer (PC/Mac) or on any Android or iPhone! Amazing. It's also about time.
And this edited Skype does not work on the Charge: http://www.phonearena.com/news/Skyp...alls-working-on-non-supported-devices_id20025
Apparently it works on the charge but you have to be on a gingerbread rom.
Interesting, would be nice to finally have a use for this front-facing camera(there are other apps but no one uses them, all the people I know use Skype).
Also, sorry for derailing but I'm going to assume you use Skype on your Charge, do you know how to stop it from auto-starting? I usually just open it, check who's online, send my messages, etc and task kill it but sometimes I'll hear the sound of it starting up (whether I'm using the phone or not). It just keeps my phone awake and kills battery, do you know how to stop this..?
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Interesting, would be nice to finally have a use for this front-facing camera(there are other apps but no one uses them, all the people I know use Skype).
Also, sorry for derailing but I'm going to assume you use Skype on your Charge, do you know how to stop it from auto-starting? I usually just open it, check who's online, send my messages, etc and task kill it but sometimes I'll hear the sound of it starting up (whether I'm using the phone or not). It just keeps my phone awake and kills battery, do you know how to stop this..?
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Well on Windows it has the option of choosing not to startup with windows. I haven't checked it on Android.
Heh thanks anyway. So I'm assuming Skype hasn't let out any official word on the Charge(or any other phone) video call release date, I didn't hear anything about this initial update at all so I'm guessing it's just going to be surprises from here on out.
blarrick said:
Interesting, would be nice to finally have a use for this front-facing camera(there are other apps but no one uses them, all the people I know use Skype).
Also, sorry for derailing but I'm going to assume you use Skype on your Charge, do you know how to stop it from auto-starting? I usually just open it, check who's online, send my messages, etc and task kill it but sometimes I'll hear the sound of it starting up (whether I'm using the phone or not). It just keeps my phone awake and kills battery, do you know how to stop this..?
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You have to go to the My Info tab and then press the menu button to access settings. In there, you can find a box to uncheck for starting automatically.
Ok noob alert..just a prelude I've done alot of searching and reading, and *think I have some answers, but if some kind soul were to take a quick look and maybe verify what I've found, I'd be eternally grateful. I used to have a LG Optimus and easily rooted/upgraded to CM7 by reading this forum and didn't have to ask any questions.
Now I've gone and signed up for WIND (Canada) and picked up an XT720. It's my budget and I'm not overly concerned about whether or not I have ICS immediately. I'd rather have something stable and $$ saving.
OK so I'm noticing a serious difference in the way the XT720 handles the WIFI/mobile data situation compared to the LG: it doesn't. First off, there's no easy way to turn off mobile data. Secondly, enabling WIFI gets me a connection to my router, yes, but browsers and apps that require a connection just refuse to use the WIFI unless: 1. there is 3G data connection - in other words, it ain't using WIFI 2. I put the phone in Airplane Mode, and turn WIFI back on. Great, but now no phone calls or SMS. Not a viable workaround. Option 3 involves hard resetting the phone with a battery pull which sometimes works and sometimes doesn't.
From scouring around various sites, this seems to have been a common problem with 2.1 and this model of phone. And thus the workarounds I tried were also employed by others.
From what I know of all versions custom ROMs etc from 2.2 onward for other models of phones, though, this wasn't an issue, and also in 2.2 and onward you can switch off Mobile Data which will force the WIFI connection if turned on.
So is this something that I will see an improvement on if I install say CM 6.3 onward or whatever? I'll get the ability to turn off mobile data, right? And then there theoretically shouldn't be a conflict, right?
That's my biggest issue. I don't get enough 3G signal in my house to just use the mobile data connection, I absolutely have to be able to use WIFI and receive phone calls/texts at the same time, so if custom roms aren't going to help me, I'd best return the phone.
Some other things I'm curious about:
- do most of the normal functions of the phone work with CM 6.3? HD recording, camera, HDMI out etc? Anything I've missed?
- I see quite a bit of talk about people running out of RAM and using sd swapping etc is this a common problem? Even with about 20 or so apps and CM7 on my LG Optimus I was still able to maintain about 110 mb RAM free at all times by judicious use of installing apps on SD card...will I be ok?
- Probably the biggest question before I root/install...most of the guides I'm reading talk about installing various stock sbfs etc etc...I'm coming in from a WIND stock rom so I don't *THINK* I need to do this, right? I should be nandroid'ing, Open Recovery, flash custom rom....right?
Here's my specs
Xt720 Wind Canada
s/w STR_U2_05.1F.2
f/w 2.1-update1
f/w config GAS_NA_NAWIND_P012
Baseband 3GSMEPU91A_U_91.075EI
kernel 2.6.29-omap1
I realize that some of this is covered in other threads. To be honest tho some respondents/contributors aren't English first language and I just want to make sure I haven't misunderstood anything. Anyone who has done similar to what I'm trying to do, especially coming from a WIND perspective, lemme know your thoughts, please and thanks alot!
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Now I've gone and signed up for WIND (Canada) and picked up an XT720. It's my budget and I'm not overly concerned about whether or not I have ICS immediately. I'd rather have something stable and $$ saving.
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I've picked up the XT720 myself from Wind a few days ago at the clearance price ($150 outright, no plan). They even told me there are no guarantees with the phone with its stock ROM and seemed glad to hear that I was gonna use it with a custom ROM. I knew what I was getting into and the only reason I still bought the phone is this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1300246
We are extremely lucky to get Gingearbread on our phones, so don't even think of ICS at this moment. As you noticed already the stock 2.1 is useless and I flashed mine the 1st day.
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That's my biggest issue. I don't get enough 3G signal in my house to just use the mobile data connection, I absolutely have to be able to use WIFI and receive phone calls/texts at the same time, so if custom roms aren't going to help me, I'd best return the phone.
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The ROM I linked above (the only 2.3, actually CM 7.1 available for XT720) works as you'd expect with wifi and 3g, that is it uses wifi when connected to both. Any decent ROM will do that.
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- do most of the normal functions of the phone work with CM 6.3? HD recording, camera, HDMI out etc? Anything I've missed?
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HD recording - not yet (you don't lose much anyway, the camcorder quality would be crappy, check reviews with the stock OS)
camera - yes (pretty good quality)
HDMI - not yet (I'm guessing it will be fixed very soon, the devs are working on exactly this)
everything else - yes
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- I see quite a bit of talk about people running out of RAM and using sd swapping etc is this a common problem? Even with about 20 or so apps and CM7 on my LG Optimus I was still able to maintain about 110 mb RAM free at all times by judicious use of installing apps on SD card...will I be ok?
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This one is tricky, the phone only has about 225mb usable RAM, there's not much multi-tasking you can do with that amount but it's workable. There are some performance tweaks you can do (overclocking, CM settings, V6 SuperCharger, etc.) to make it decent. Moving apps on sd card is a good idea in order to save storage space on the phone (another limited resource at only 174mb) but has nothing to do with RAM.
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- Probably the biggest question before I root/install...most of the guides I'm reading talk about installing various stock sbfs etc etc...I'm coming in from a WIND stock rom so I don't *THINK* I need to do this, right? I should be nandroid'ing, Open Recovery, flash custom rom....right?
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I've been wondering the same thing, what's up with all the SBFs people are talking about left and right? The answer is don't worry about them, you don't need any SBF. They are just that, stock ROMs, all 2.1. You would only need one (the Wind version) if you wanted to take the phone back for servicing and wanted to return to the original non-rooted state. Apparently even if you take a full nandroid backup with your stock ROM now and restore it later, the phone will still be rooted and this is where a stock SBF would help. I'm not gonna bother, even if I do take it back (highly doubt it, with the custom ROM it's a very good phone for $150 outright), I'm just gonna restore my stock nandroid backup.
So what you need is:
1. root the phone (personally I used SuperOneClick, google for the latest version)
2. install OpenRecovery: http://modmymobile.com/forums/563-m.../531599-open-recovery-v1-46-11-21-2010-a.html
I can send you the file you need if you pm your email address. I HATE it when I have to register on some forum just to get 1 stupid file. And you absolutely CANNOT get that stupid file anywhere else on the face of the Earth/internet.
3. install this mod for OpenRecovery: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1242259
4. go to the ROM's thread, dl the latest build linked in the 1st post, copy the zip file to your sdcard\openrecovery\updates, reboot into recovery mode, apply update, format data&cache, reboot. Done. Enjoy!
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2. install OpenRecovery: http://modmymobile.com/forums/563-m.../531599-open-recovery-v1-46-11-21-2010-a.html
I can send you the file you need if you pm your email address. I HATE it when I have to register on some forum just to get 1 stupid file. And you absolutely CANNOT get that stupid file anywhere else on the face of the Earth/internet.
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There's an OpenRecovery apk floating around here to install ther OR bootstrap, no need to register at ModMyMobile.
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Woodrube has it attached to this thread. Install the apk from the sdcard, reboot, then run the apk & install OR. (Now you can switch out the OR files with Mioze's modded OR)
here you go
I knew that thread would come in handy one of these days. Plus Buddy and Acro there are other handy APKs in there too.
Mioze actually have all the necessary Open Recovery files linked in his CM6.3 topic
that's the most updated version
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU to James and everyone who has responded so far - even going so far as to direct link me to files I'll need? You guys are the best!!.
I really appreciate the encouragement. I think tonight's the night.
I'll try and log my procedures and steps and make note of anything I run into for future noobs like me I might be able to help..that's how community works, right?
Wish me luck!
Good luck
One more tip: If you find that Market keeps crashing after you flash fjfalcon's ROM, flash this updated Google Apps package - gapps-gb-20111216 (dl link here).
It worked for me. Put the zip file on the sdcard right next to the ROM file and flash it just like the ROM file.
PS: Who's James?
Ah BuddyBud sorry, there is another Canadian Wind guy named Biker Bob (real name James) who was posting about his experiences in another thread, and I mixed the two of you up..
About to try this...couple questions
Has anyone watched/used Reverend's tutorial video? Results?
I don't need to unlock the phone first, right? Please tell me no, I just got it! lol
The Revs videos are a good reference & if you are talking about a sim unlock that's not necessary.
Yes Revs videos are good to show.a visual of what you should do. Don't worry about it. I know it is scary the first time but once you do it, it will become second nature. Don't forget to wipe cache, dalvik and factory reset. If you bootloop, that is probably why.
No you don't need to be unlocked. That just deals with carriers and not ROMs.
Im on the edge of the decision precipice..am not too nervous about doing this, as in fact I'm pretty technically proficient..it just seemed that this process was a bit more convoluted than the one I picked up on easily for the LG.
Decisions decisions...6.3 or go all the way to 7.1
I think I need stability...and I'm not sure I want to get into a whole bunch of swapping locations etc. I noticed The Reverend mentioned he didn't bother with swaps. Mind you, I don't even think he made an ext partition either, which boggles my mind, I was almost sure you had to make at least one for any custom ROM. I might be showing just how little I know here! lol
Is it just that 7.1 is more of an ongoing thing, or by now are most of the +/- s of both pretty much on par? I know, I should be reading all 78 pages of the damn thread, right??
Oh boy, I just read through the Bravo thread...and the LED notification sounds SOOO tempting. No LED notification bugged the hell outta me on the LG. Hmmmm...
Ok...have settled on the ROM in this thread (Bravo):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1332410
I just want to make sure of one thing...the VERY helpful steps that you all have outlined ie BuddyBuds...they stay the same up to step 4 (ROM + update) no matter what ROM I choose, pretty much.
Brians instructions are just a slight bit confusing in that Im not sure if I have to apply just the most recent update for LED ie v1.6...or if I have to install ALL the updates from the start on up (I think there are 4 of them). To me it would seem logical that each new version would be cumulative ie include the stuff from previous versions...but I just want to make sure!
One more thing..I didnt notice any mention of gapps in the download in that thread (nor did I see a gapps apk in the files I unzipped, but might have missed it..)...if not, Ill need to apply that too, right..any special version to useÉ
Ok so...
I went with Brian's BRAVO. I followed some of the steps provided in this thread, coupled with Reverand's video. I used his OpenRecovery install method (ie original from the Dexter build, copy new over top that) because I've never installed OpenRecovery before and it just seemed confusing on other threads.
To root, I used UltimateAndroot, in order to have the ability to unroot the machine (you'll see why...)
The first thing I checked, of course, was the pull down power/status bar to see about turning off various connections (ie Wifi, Bluetooth, Refresh, Mobile Data, etc). Unlike other 2.2 Froyo's I've used, specifically..LG..there is no pull down/status bar. Damn. Went thru every Setting imaginable, but won't work. This isn't looking great.
Next thing I tested was my 3G/Wifi issue. To my dismay...the issue remains. Browser and apps are still trying to use 3G first and foremost, as far as I can see. How do I know? Because if I leave Data Network Settting to "Allowed", browser/apps work, and *seem to be using the WiFi, but the second the 3G signal fades or is dropped, I get connection issues, and WiFi is still on. If I turn Data Network Setting to "Not Allowed", it might/might not use the WiFi for a bit and then pretty consistently stop. When I mean "stop", I mean the phone is still showing connected to WiFi yet there are data connection errors on all browsers/apps that need data etc. Sometimes, if the 3G signal returns, I get the pop-up asking me to Allow the data, and if I say yes it works for a bit (but then, because of the 3G signal issue, it cuts out again).
The fix - again - turn on Airplane mode, which disconnects all connections, turn on WiFi, then go back into Call Settings and search for the Home Network again. This is crazy, I can't do this every time, and eventually it craps out again and I have to do it all over.
The other really frustrating thing is I powered it down to do a full recharge overnight...when I booted back up it didn't find my Home Network at all and I had to rescan for it. Testing that out, sure enough, rebooting the phone I have to reselect the Network. Argh.
Any thoughts? The whole necessity of being able to turn 3G data off is so I can avoid this very problem. Basically, I walk in my front door, turn off data over the mobile network, and let my WiFi do it all while I'm home. I wish I could do this as effectively as with my LG on 2.2 (and later, CM7)
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Ok...have settled on the ROM in this thread (Bravo):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1332410
I just want to make sure of one thing...the VERY helpful steps that you all have outlined ie BuddyBuds...they stay the same up to step 4 (ROM + update) no matter what ROM I choose, pretty much.
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Once you get to step 4 inn Buddy's list check out this. It will explain it a little bit better. Brought someone back from the brink on this thread. Where is says Dexter, just replace that with Bravo.
Brians instructions are just a slight bit confusing in that Im not sure if I have to apply just the most recent update for LED ie v1.6...or if I have to install ALL the updates from the start on up (I think there are 4 of them). To me it would seem logical that each new version would be cumulative ie include the stuff from previous versions...but I just want to make sure!
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Per Brian's OP the v1.9 has all the patches.
v1.9,A new Nandroid IMG backup,All patches included(20111217).
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One more thing..I didnt notice any mention of gapps in the download in that thread (nor did I see a gapps apk in the files I unzipped, but might have missed it..)...if not, Ill need to apply that too, right..any special version to useÉ
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Gapps is for CM builds. Bravo is a 2.2 build.
Side note: If you are going to partition it is up to you. I and a few other don't but it is really a personal preference. When I did, I used MiniTool Partition Wizard and it worked like a charm.
A few things though:
1: Your partitions must be set up this way---> Fat then EXT2/3 then Swap (if you choose-I don't and never did-requires you to fastboot a custom kernel and since this is your first experience, I would not suggest it)
2: Sizes. Many noobs will set their EXT2/3 partition to 1gb. That is way too big and you are just wasting space. I find that somewhere between 350-400mb is more than enough.
3: Do not convert your Ext partition to EXT4 unless the ROM you choose supports it. If/when the time comes, use MZ's open recovery utility to do it and not GPArted or MiniTool. The creat a Hugefile that has to be deleted and is a PITA.
4: If you do decide to partition, you will have to boot up fully, then go into your root explorer and in the SD-ext, you will need to create a folder called App (not apps-no S) so it will look like this sdcard/sdext/app. Then reboot and your apps will auto-install there.
Sorry for the long post and good luck.
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acrobat69 said:
Any thoughts? The whole necessity of being able to turn 3G data off is so I can avoid this very problem. Basically, I walk in my front door, turn off data over the mobile network, and let my WiFi do it all while I'm home. I wish I could do this as effectively as with my LG on 2.2 (and later, CM7)
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Once you click on WIFI it should take over as your primary source of data. Not sure why unless I think I might have figured it out. Go into settings>wireless>tick your WIFI and once your router pops up leave it alone and hit your menu button. Set your WIFI sleep policy to NEVER and I bet that takes care of it. Pretty sure that is toggling off your WIFI when 3g is present.
Other solution is Widgetsoid and Elixir both have a widget to toggle off data (so does Beautiful widgets too for that matter). You can use those but I really think the above solution should work for you.
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Per Brian's OP the v1.9 has all the patches.
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Ah, figured..however when I go into LED Notification, it says "revision 1.6" (or some wording to that effect) at the bottom. Maybe that's just an error, but I just used that to gauge whether or not I had installed the latest revisions etc.
LED Notification works for text messages. I haven't seen it work for calls yet, but maybe I'm doing something wrong. I call the phone, the screen lights up that there's a call, and then ultimately closes when noone answers it. It was at this point that I'd assume the LED notification would come on. Screen is out, so LED, right?
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Gapps is for CM builds. Bravo is a 2.2 build.
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Ok I guess I goofed then, because I tried to update with Gapps after I installed Bravo. One thing I noticed is that I wasn't prompted to sign up/into my Google accounts or set up the phone when I rebooted following the Bravo ROM + Gapps install..that had always happened on my LG when I did CM installs...your explanation makes sense!
But...isn't CM6 basically 2.2 and Bravo basically 2.2? Or maybe I misread that.
At any rate, the real reason I updated Gapps is because I wanted the "new" Market look. I don't like the old one very much, really like the My Apps function. Is there way I can just patch this in to Bravo?
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Side note: If you are going to partition it is up to you. I and a few other don't but it is really a personal preference.
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Why do people partition? I did it on my LG, but never used it. Partitioning has nothing to do with installing user apps to the SD card, right? I can do that anyways, true?
Speaking of which..in CM there is the ability to set the default install location. I searched to find something similar in Bravo, to no avail. Is there a way to do this?
Wait...I think you just gave me the answer to both these questions...duh me..
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4: If you do decide to partition, you will have to boot up fully, then go into your root explorer and in the SD-ext, you will need to create a folder called App (not apps-no S) so it will look like this sdcard/sdext/app. Then reboot and your apps will auto-install there.
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I guess I do in fact want to partition, then. I can't imagine how one wouldn't want to, I mean you don't want apps clogging up internal memory, right?
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Sorry for the long post and good luck.
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Never apologize for long posts...I'm the worst at it and I love pouring over every single last detail. I'm sure there are lurkers who appreciate also, I know I really did when learning on my LG. Thanks a million!!
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Once you click on WIFI it should take over as your primary source of data. Not sure why unless I think I might have figured it out. Go into settings>wireless>tick your WIFI and once your router pops up leave it alone and hit your menu button. Set your WIFI sleep policy to NEVER and I bet that takes care of it. Pretty sure that is toggling off your WIFI when 3g is present.
Other solution is Widgetsoid and Elixir both have a widget to toggle off data (so does Beautiful widgets too for that matter). You can use those but I really think the above solution should work for you.
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DOHHHHH!!!! I knew I had forgotten something about past settings that made my LG work so well.. I have modified the Wi-Fi sleep policy and hopefully it will work better now! One constant in all the issues I was having, now that you've mentioned this, is that the screen was sleeping/timing out while things were going on. I'd bring it back up, and be all "like, wtf" when my browser wouldn't work or apps that were downloading hung, etc. Mind you, it probably should have reconnected by itself, but whatever, if it doesn't, there's no harm in using Never Sleep for WiFi. I'm not that much of a stickler for battery usage. I go to bed, I charge the phone, I wake up, repeat. I don't need 4 days battery life and if I ever am in a situation where I do, I'm camping or somewhere remote ie no WiFi hence this doesn't apply as I'd just toggle WiFi off completely anyways.
You're right, I could use a Widget to manage my connections and I managed to grab Beautiful when it was 10 cents..but those reside on the screen and I would love to get that pull-down bar back, just so handy to drag down no matter what app/screen you're in...I know, I'm picky
You know what? I got a Notification Toggle app on my PC at home that I'll upload here tonight. I just remembered it while I was at lunch. It is from an older ROM so not sure it will work but worth a try. Usual directions. Push it to /system/apps reboot. It should be just what you are looking for if it works. Might not though so you'll just have to see.
CM6 is 2.2 and so is Bravo only Bravo was made from the official Korean update that was handed down and Mioze has created the CM6 from source. So yes they are both 2.2 but very different.
Edit: I have the latest Market.apk too. It is floating around here somewhere but I can't find in for some reason. I'll upload them tonight.
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Decisions decisions...6.3 or go all the way to 7.1
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try them both first, then see which one you want to use as your daily driver.
i personally like the 6.3 better because it runs the fastest even on stock speed 720 Mhz
you can use Open Recovery to do a full backup, and switch back and forth between 7.1 and 6.3 until you decide which one you like best
7.1 has more themes to choose from and is more up to date, but... less free resources vs. 6.3 which is indirectly related to why it feels less quick than 6.3
7.1 feels similar to the speed you get on the stock ROM from Wind, 6.3 feels like a brand new device
Hi, I have note edge N915F and is currently running on lollipop 5.0.1.
With LP, my battery drains very fast and random over heat occurrence and stutter. They say KK is better compared to LP(Battery wise). Thats why I wanted to downgrade back to KK.
I successfully downgraded my unit once using ODIN but after I install KK it automatically upgraded to LP(I understand that to stop this my unit should be rooted?) But after reading all the guides in this forum I wasn't able to understand the procedures/steps and I don't want my unit to be BRICKED. (NEWBIE here)
I need help on how to downgrade from LP to KK.
Thank you !
When you updated to lolly. ..have you done a factory reset? A lot of problem can be solved sometime just by doing clean install.
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kuailan said:
When you updated to lolly. ..have you done a factory reset? A lot of problem can be solved sometime just by doing clean install.
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Yup twice or thrice done that, also wipe cache in recovery mode but unfortunately it doesn't help at all. My average SoT is 3hrs+(Is that normal for note edge) with normal use one game running(COC) but not all the time.
This is what I normally do...I know a little hassle...I flash the updated lolly stock firmware...which would mean I loose the root. That doesn't matter. I do a factory reset. After all done. ..then i root. Sometime I just don't trust recovery to do well in full wipe. There are times when I also do three times wipe...before installing other custom rom.
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This is what I normally do...I know a little hassle...I flash the updated lolly stock firmware...which would mean I loose the root. That doesn't matter. I do a factory reset. After all done. ..then i root. Sometime I just don't trust recovery to do well in full wipe. There are times when I also do three times wipe...before installing other custom rom.
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What do you mean by "Flash"(I'm sorry, I'm not very familiar with the technical terms). What is your average SoT at Lolly firmware?
Mangna said:
Yup twice or thrice done that, also wipe cache in recovery mode but unfortunately it doesn't help at all. My average SoT is 3hrs+(Is that normal for note edge) with normal use one game running(COC) but not all the time.
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Here is also another tip on how to get good battery life: (of course people have their own preference, you dont have to do the same...but the following setting seem to give a good battery life).
1. In the notification slidedown bar, in the slider for brightness...set to 2, while maintain the auto checked
2. In the Wifi advanced setting.....turn off network notification, Turn off the keep wifi on, and unchecked always allow scanning
3. Try to disable most of vibrating stuff (notification, feedback or even keyboard/pen etc.. )
4. Under S pen, disable pen detection
5. Install auto disabler app or even the popular clean master app (have auto disable app). Basically this app allow you to disable some app to start at boot. Personally I disable all the app.....basically I just open them as I need. This way you can ensure nothing stealing your resources in the background. Dont worry in disabling all of them that are detected by the app, it wont messed up the phone. Personally I really think most of the battery issue is caused by something in the background running...or causing the system to wake up (unable to sleep).
Optional setting:
1. Always remember, using WIFI is better for the battery than the 4G data. So switching off data, while using WIFI is better.
2. Turning of location can be a big help....and only turn them on as you need them (i.e. using GPS app).
3. Switching the network mode to non LTE can make a big difference. Obviously this is will mean no 4G speed....but for some people that rely mostly on Wifi, this doesnt matter. For me I dont really think too much speed difference between 4G and 3G....Besides data can be costly too (at least here in Australia)
4. Turn on the power saving mode when you dont use the phone.
Anyway, give a go.....trial and see if your battery get better.....good luck
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Here is also another tip on how to get good battery life: (of course people have their own preference, you dont have to do the same...but the following setting seem to give a good battery life).
1. In the notification slidedown bar, in the slider for brightness...set to 2, while maintain the auto checked
2. In the Wifi advanced setting.....turn off network notification, Turn off the keep wifi on, and unchecked always allow scanning
3. Try to disable most of vibrating stuff (notification, feedback or even keyboard/pen etc.. )
4. Under S pen, disable pen detection
5. Install auto disabler app or even the popular clean master app (have auto disable app). Basically this app allow you to disable some app to start at boot. Personally I disable all the app.....basically I just open them as I need. This way you can ensure nothing stealing your resources in the background. Dont worry in disabling all of them that are detected by the app, it wont messed up the phone. Personally I really think most of the battery issue is caused by something in the background running...or causing the system to wake up (unable to sleep).
Optional setting:
1. Always remember, using WIFI is better for the battery than the 4G data. So switching off data, while using WIFI is better.
2. Turning of location can be a big help....and only turn them on as you need them (i.e. using GPS app).
3. Switching the network mode to non LTE can make a big difference. Obviously this is will mean no 4G speed....but for some people that rely mostly on Wifi, this doesnt matter. For me I dont really think too much speed difference between 4G and 3G....Besides data can be costly too (at least here in Australia)
4. Turn on the power saving mode when you dont use the phone.
Anyway, give a go.....trial and see if your battery get better.....good luck
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Thank you, I will try and see if there's any changes on my battery usage otherwise Ill visit service center of samsung.
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What do you mean by "Flash"(I'm sorry, I'm not very familiar with the technical terms). What is your average SoT at Lolly firmware?
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Sorry my bad, I should get a little detail. Personally I dont update my phone through OTA (which mean over the air, direct from your phone). I always download the file from Sammobile site. This is the whole stock firmware file or ROM. To install this firmware, you will need an app called ODIN. This app allow you to flash the firmware to your phone. In basic term, this ODIN is a tool to restore the ROM or the OS of your phone. Do a little search in the forum, and you will learn more. Considering you have recovery, and root....so I am pretty sure you are familiar with ODIN??
Anyway, currently on stock firmware BOE1 (N915G).....I am getting at least 5-5.30 hrs of screen on time (depend if I used a lot of wifi or 4G). I am pretty much happy, on average my phone will last more than a day.
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Sorry my bad, I should get a little detail. Personally I dont update my phone through OTA (which mean over the air, direct from your phone). I always download the file from Sammobile site. This is the whole stock firmware file or ROM. To install this firmware, you will need an app called ODIN. This app allow you to flash the firmware to your phone. In basic term, this ODIN is a tool to restore the ROM or the OS of your phone. Do a little search in the forum, and you will learn more. Considering you have recovery, and root....so I am pretty sure you are familiar with ODIN??
Anyway, currently on stock firmware BOE1 (N915G).....I am getting at least 5-5.30 hrs of screen on time (depend if I used a lot of wifi or 4G). I am pretty much happy, on average my phone will last more than a day.
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Yup, I once use ODIN to downgrade my firmware. I get it now, I installed KK but after successfully installing, It automatically update to Lolly via wifi. My phone is not rooted BTW, I don't know how to root it that's why.
Mine is BOB6 (N915F).
17H 25m on Battery(34%) and screen on time 2H11m. Wont last a day, geez I wish I bought different model or brand. This unit is way too expensive but with poor performance(battery).
You can disable OTA updates after downgrade
Hi... I downgraded my Edge to KK and disabled the OTA app through ADB. If you search the Note 4 forums you can find instructions on how to do it. It's not difficult, but some basic knowledge of ADB is necessary.
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Hi... I downgraded my Edge to KK and disabled the OTA app through ADB. If you search the Note 4 forums you can find instructions on how to do it. It's not difficult, but some basic knowledge of ADB is necessary.
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Copy that ! Thank you. May I ask what list/items did you disable on the ADB or Debloater to block OTA.
Some of the items/list on my ADB:
wssyncmlnps.apk-----------com.wssyncmldm
wssyncmlnps.apk-----------com.wssnps
FotaClient.apk---------------com.sec.android.fotaclient
LocalFOTA.apk---------------com.LocalFota
SPDClient.apk----------------com.policydm
Thanks
I'm on AT&T. If you are on a different carrier, Your update apks might be different. Might have to do a little research to make sure you find the right ones.
These are the commands I entered:
ADB shell "pm block com.sec.android.fwupgrade"
ADB shell "pm block com.ws.dm"
If you change your mind later and decide you want to take the updates, simply change the word "block" to "unblock".
Easy peasy
Edit... Looks like maybe the FOTA is the one you wanna block. But, again, I'm not POSITIVE. ( I deny any responsibility for what you do to your device. ) I'd do a little searching before blocking anything. An easy way to check after blocking is to try to run SOFTWARE UPDATES in your settings menu. If you blocked the right apk, NOTHING will happen when you click on it.
Geners said:
I'm on AT&T. If you are on a different carrier, Your update apks might be different. Might have to do a little research to make sure you find the right ones.
These are the commands I entered:
ADB shell "pm block com.sec.android.fwupgrade"
ADB shell "pm block com.ws.dm"
If you change your mind later and decide you want to take the updates, simply change the word "block" to "unblock".
Easy peasy
Edit... Looks like maybe the FOTA is the one you wanna block. But, again, I'm not POSITIVE. ( I deny any responsibility for what you do to your device. ) I'd do a little searching before blocking anything. An easy way to check after blocking is to try to run SOFTWARE UPDATES in your settings menu. If you blocked the right apk, NOTHING will happen when you click on it.
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Understood, yeah I'm on a different country as well so might be different.
Anyhow I gave my unit to Samsung Service Center for them to check if there's any unusual on the hardware otherwise I will just follow your tips.
I'll be using this guide http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/software/debloater-remove-carrier-bloat-t2998294
Thanks
i downgraded. i did not realize all the subtle features i missed with the alleged "upgrade" to lollipop. wow. that was the worst thing i ever did. got some help in reverting. i feel great again with this phone. since there is no note 2 edge its like getting a new phone. awesomeness can now resume.
Hello!
Right now when i receive a call, external display shows nothing. And i can't find any option how to enable it. When i open a lid, caller id shows as usual.
Is there an option to see incoming caller ID on external display at all? If yes, then how to enable it?
Thank you!
Under the cover screen section in Settings, there is an option to turn the screen on for notifications. I believe that needs to be enabled, but it will also enable turning it on for everything else.
Well, solved this. I didn't notice, that for many years i use not native Samsung dialing app. Till today used app "True phone", now switched to native Samsung app "Phone", and everything works fine.
Yep, I too have to set the Samsung phone app as default, but use True Caller wherever I can
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Yep, I too have to set the Samsung phone app as default, but use True Caller wherever I can
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May I ask what are the advantages of true caller? Being serious, I’ve been away from Android for several years now.
040Tundra01 said:
May I ask what are the advantages of true caller? Being serious, I’ve been away from Android for several years now.
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Off the top of my head I like the voice telling me who's calling before the ringtone, best spam call blocker I've ever used, easy call recording, great built in SMS, backup and restore and so on.
beanbean50 said:
Off the top of my head I like the voice telling me who's calling before the ringtone, best spam call blocker I've ever used, easy call recording, great built in SMS, backup and restore and so on.
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Thank you! Real quick, would you know of a streamlined way to transfer my data from iOS to my new phone when it gets here in Wednesday?
040Tundra01 said:
Thank you! Real quick, would you know of a streamlined way to transfer my data from iOS to my new phone when it gets here in Wednesday?
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You might have to google that as I've never owned an Apple phone!
040Tundra01 said:
Thank you! Real quick, would you know of a streamlined way to transfer my data from iOS to my new phone when it gets here in Wednesday?
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Smart Switch is available for iOS, but you may want to both back up the data using iTunes (or your preferred method) and double check everything it copies before deleting anything. It's not going to be the greatest because of the OS difference, but will work about as well as having someone at your local carrier shop do it.
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Smart Switch is available for iOS, but you may want to both back up the data using iTunes (or your preferred method) and double check everything it copies before deleting anything. It's not going to be the greatest because of the OS difference, but will work about as well as having someone at your local carrier shop do it.
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Well I received my fold 3 and used Smart Switch. Worked perfectly and flawlessly. Thank you!
I have a gripe about the external screen and incoming calls. Seems sometimes it just plain old doesn't work and I have to open the phone to answer the call. Using the default Phone app.
Lame you have to use the Samsung phone app to make it work.
I guess change can be a good thing sometimes. lol.