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[Q] [Newbie] ipod touch alternative?

My brother-in-law thinks he wants an ipod touch. I would like to discourage his use of locked-down apple products.
Basically he wants a wi-fi only pda with excellent music player and web-browsing capabilities. Should be memory expandable via sd or similar. Not sure how much he needs the calendar/todo/contacts...
I would add the following hardware requirements: nice, reasonably priced (i.e. cheaper than ipod), with good xda-forum rom support. Used and refurbished is fine, although new would be great as well.
I was thinking about a new android tablet, but he says he wants something smaller, to fit in a pocket.
My experience with this site is with my smartphones, so I am not sure where to start looking for wi-fi only recommendations. Please be gentle with my ignorance.
Thanks!

I have an ipaq 210 that now has dedicated pmp duties. It doesn't have much support here on xda, but there is a decent community on brighthand:
http://forum.brighthand.com/hp-ipaq-210-enterprise-handheld/
Install a media player, such as nitrogen, and tell him to buy a big cf card and sd card.

well i use my player only for music.. it doesnt have wifi or any webbrowser..
but im using a cowon s9. freakin best **** i ever used to hear music, just amazing quality!! the ipod or the zune is nothing against this!!
but if he really needs a player with wifi.. he should probably go for a zune player, looks cooler and is just cooler than any other apple ****
probably u can browse through the homepage of cowon, maybe u find a good player with webbrowser.. all their players are just awsome..
www.cowon.com
the players of them doesnt need any other programm like itunes.. u just drag and drop ur files like to a extern hdd or memory stick

Well naturally if your gonna pay those prices why not just get a nice WM or Android phone. Other then that check out Zunes, and Archos makes some ipody things.
But for what your looking for! I would get a Dell 51v PDA. You can get em for 40-50 on ebay now and they rock. Check up on the stats on this badboy. I used to carry one before smartphones were really good. Big touch screen, graphics accelerator, runs on WM so you have TCMP, Core, Mortplayer, etc... Wifi, BT, CF, SDIO, etc.. I'm about to make some scanners for garage saleing and this is turned out to be the best PDA for that purpose. I loved mine.

Android phone. I wish there was an Android MP3 player, because that would just be sick.

get an lg incite. Really. that is what I use for my youtube/mp3/light web browsing. it will support up to a 32gb sd card. replaceable battery headphone jack wifi bluetooth and its a pretty good phone. also you can get them for under $60 on ebay (I hate ebay).

@D4rkSoRRoW
Agree with the cowon audio, they can't be beat. However, I would avoid archos completely, unless you can get one for next to nothing

There is Sony Walkman, Microsoft Zune HD and several another music players. However, nothing is perfect as the Apple iPod Touch in terms touch sensitivity and number of applications.

Samsung Mondi, any of the 4.3" Smart Q devices, Archos 5,

Dark Sorrow, I own a D2. I would not EVER recommend Cowon products until they have rockbox ported. Sound quality most people don't care about (I do obviously), the software is some of the worst I have ever used, and I have a Windows Mobile phone. I dumped it in lieu of my rockboxed iPod mini (went back actually). Any sound quality that Cowon could formerly charge huge amounts for is beaten soundly by a cheap refurbished Sansa Clip(+), something with decent stock software as well as full (but crash prone) rockbox support.
iPod touch 1G 8-16GB go for 50-70.
I don't see the problem with the touch.
A Zune HD 32GB can be had for around 130 refurbished.
I think he would be happier with an iPod touch. It has a better browser (despite crappier hardware), games, and applications, and is easy to use.
Definitely not an Archos 5, its too big, and at that price might as well buy two iPod touches.
So far I've bashed everything but haven't given suggestions.
Droid Eris sounds like something that would fit in your criteria.

Dratini said:
Dark Sorrow, I own a D2. I would not EVER recommend Cowon products until they have rockbox ported. Sound quality most people don't care about (I do obviously), the software is some of the worst I have ever used, and I have a Windows Mobile phone. I dumped it in lieu of my rockboxed iPod mini (went back actually). Any sound quality that Cowon could formerly charge huge amounts for is beaten soundly by a cheap refurbished Sansa Clip(+), something with decent stock software as well as full (but crash prone) rockbox support.
iPod touch 1G 8-16GB go for 50-70.
I don't see the problem with the touch.
A Zune HD 32GB can be had for around 130 refurbished.
I think he would be happier with an iPod touch. It has a better browser (despite crappier hardware), games, and applications, and is easy to use.
Definitely not an Archos 5, its too big, and at that price might as well buy two iPod touches.
So far I've bashed everything but haven't given suggestions.
Droid Eris sounds like something that would fit in your criteria.
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the flash UI is amazing, i dont know ur problem )
anyway.. i dont need userfriendlines, im a freak that just wants quality, and ipod quality suxx badass, u know that

Have you tried the Sansa Clips? They're much better (I prefer buttons to touchscreen, only good thing is you can skip to any place in the song, but thats not what I usually do anyways). I meant the actual Cowon firmware, everything is really non-intuitive. If they hired some good software professionals they would actually have a solid device. I didn't get the S9 since it wasn't microusb,

Dratini said:
Have you tried the Sansa Clips? They're much better (I prefer buttons to touchscreen, only good thing is you can skip to any place in the song, but thats not what I usually do anyways). I meant the actual Cowon firmware, everything is really non-intuitive. If they hired some good software professionals they would actually have a solid device. I didn't get the S9 since it wasn't microusb,
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i tried the sansas, yes they are cool, but quality is crap compared to cowons devices. im talking about music quality, not design, or whatever
it doesnt matter for me if it looks cool or is easy to use, the music has to sound awsome
probably the firmware isnt that awsome for everyone, but the fact that its all flash opens many many new possibilities
but anyway, the sansa clip is too small, and i hate non-touchscreen players xD

I have had a Zune 80gb (not HD), iPod classic (now 64gb Touch), and briefly the Archos 5 Android Tablet with Android. Other than the Archos, I would say that they all have their good points. The Archos was a complete fail for me. I couldn't charge the unit while using it, it would not connect to my home wifi, and the screen felt too soft (resistive, not capacitive). I would say that if you want more storage than 32gb, currently I would go with iPod Touch (I see Zune has already released their 64gb version). Seeing this, I would recommend going with the one that has the screen size you like.
I do find it funny that (over at an iPod Touch forum I frequent) the very people that automatically denounce anything ro do with the Zune HD all but salivate when they see a Zune HD theme for their iPod Touch. But then, I am easily amused...and distracted. What was I saying?...

btw dratini, u know that u have a dragonir as avatar and not a dratini? xD

Yeah I thought Dratini wasn't too pretty, in synthetic sound tests the Clip and Cowon have no sound quality problems, so I don't know why you didn't like it.
With features like MP enhance and the soundstage settings for the Cowon though, it does sound better, but at stock they sound pretty much the same, except the Cowon is a bit colder and more analytical (I like this sound, but the UI is too bad for me to use), the Clip is more compressed but people rarely notice that unless they have expensive headphones.
Wish they would port Rockbox for the D2 already, its been unstable for years now.

Dratini said:
With features like MP enhance and the soundstage settings for the Cowon though, it does sound better, but at stock they sound pretty much the same
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thats what i mean. i hate stock settings, and the cowon is one of the only players that got so awsome settings, wich make the soundquality that much better..
i just set my s9 to stock settings, lol it sounds so cheap xDD *switches back*
and im using expensive earplugs, u know >.<

Which phone for MP3/music playback?

Hello,
I'm currently looking into buying a smartphone, my first one, and the two that interest me most are the HTC Legend and Desire.
My question is, which one is better? More specifically, I want a smartphone that has great MP3/music playback capabilities, with good volume and playback quality both through headphones and just via the speaker (as I hopefully want to replace my MP3 player with a good enough phone).
I was hoping either the Legend or Desire would be good at music playback, if not, please can you recommend which phones I should be looking into that do have this feature. I also want the smartphone to be very customisable with lots of apps and other random stuff as I'm mainly buying a smartphone as a gadget (as I don't actually use my mobile that much but the 'gadget' type nature of smartphones looks very cool).
Also, I'm going for a sim-free/unlocked phone as I am going to be going on a pay monthly deal. And I would say my budget is around £200 to £300, I can maybe go upto about £320'ish.

Between those phones I would for sure pick the Desire!! Maybe this article will help you.
Legend v. Desire

A quick user comparison - Galaxy Tab vs Galaxy Tab 7 Plus

Hi all,
Maybe this is useful for some folks. I loved my original Galaxy Tab and have now upgrade to the Plus. For info, I'm using the devices in Asia (Malaysia, Singapore, China, Vietnam) mostly. The version I have is a 3G with calls enabled.
I use the Tab as my primary mobile phone. It is therefore essential that it fits into the back pocket of my jeans or pocket of my suit pants. I have paired it with a VoyagerPro+ Headset and this works perfectly for calls, audio (mono of course) and Skype. I'd say I'm a heavy user with 2-3 hours of calls a day and a fair bit of web surfing, sms and emailing.
What I loved about the Original:
Contrary to many of the reviews, I really enjoyed the fact that this was an oversized phone, not a pint sized tablet. I never felt there was anything wrong with Gingerbread as an OS on a screen of this size, in fact I really liked the experience. Icons were big, keyboards very useable particularly in Portrait and the whole thing had a solid, Tonka like feel to it. It was also really tough, having dropped it countless times, never without a problem. Another handy feature was the sim card slot; very easy to access as I often swap sims.
What I noticed immediately with the Plus:
Clearly this is a small tablet. You tend to hold it in landscape much more often. The resolution of the screen is the same, but all the icons and toggles are much smaller. This makes quick operation (e.g. whilst walking) quite difficult. If placed on a desk, this is not so much of an issue. The learning curve in moving to Honeycomb is quite steep and (personal matter of taste) the transition from home screen to home screen is a bit kitchy. The tablet feels thinner (though it's not...except at the edges)
What I am beginning to like with the Plus:
Though the operation of the device is more "delicate", i.e. more care needs to be taken about where your fingers tap, there are quite a few cool features to be had in Honeycomb. The widgets are superb. Some of the tablet tailored apps are also great, particularly Youtube notwithstanding that rotation of the screen immediately reloads the video (arrrghh!!!). It feels fast, and after a week I'm already noticing that the battery time is noticeably better. In some of the blogs, the Samsung apps which float above open apps have not really impressed the reviewers, but I have found that the dialer and the calculator are particularly useful, say if you're browsing a site and want to dial or check something.
What I miss about the Original Tab:
I hope that over time I'll have the same trust in the sturdiness of the Plus. Going back to the Original Tab, I feel the same sense as when I first bought it, namely that everything on the screen looked huge. It really feels like you were playing with Lego and now you're playing with Duplo . One of my favorite apps (smart keyboard pro) doesn't play nicely with Honeycomb and so I have lost my multilingual inputs until I find a replacement.
Wrap-up:
It's a week in with the Tab Plus. I had the original for a year. Already, I know I would not want to go back to the original mostly because I enjoy the Honeycomb features, the speed and the longer battery life. I'm still not as fast at typing on the Plus, but hopefully this will improve over time.
For anyone looking to upgrade from the original, be aware that it is may not be the quantum leap you experienced when you first got the Galaxy Tab, but provided you can get used to the smaller icons & toggles it's a good upgrade.
Happy to take questions if anyone's interested.
Cheers,
Marc

marcolamy said:
The learning curve in moving to Honeycomb is quite steep and (personal matter of taste) the transition from home screen to home screen is a bit kitchy.
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You might consider a third party "launcher" app (such as ADW, Go Launcher, etc) that can make your home screen and launcher feel more like gingerbread. Otherwise, happy you are enjoying your tab
take care
gary

I agree that it definitely got the pint sized tablet treatment, which is somewhat of a shame given the choice between cramped tablet or luxuriously roomy phone. It has a nice solid feel though, and I was relieved to see with the latest firmware update the Market app no longer forces a nearly useless landscape mode.

I've made icons even smaller than stock with ADWlauncher EX and locked the tablet to landscape mode. I found the stock setup way too huge and "blown up phone"-like than what I want.

My WiFi only 7+ maybe feels a bit more unstable than the 7? Netflix freezes every once in awhile, which absolutely never happened on the 7. Then again the 7 couldn't even stream half the video that's out there, so I'm not complaining.
I actually like the look and feel of the smaller icons. Yes, a bit harder to navigate but esthetically it just feels better to me.
The only thing I really miss from the original Tab is my high res embedded album art. All of the music players I've used are stretching the thumbnails rather than finding the embedded file. I'm assuming this is a Froyo vs. Honeycomb thing?
Speaking as an old school, analog geeky tech guy who was dragged kicking and screaming into the digital age, I can honestly now say I don't know how I lived my life without a Tab 7+ in my back pocket.

rtfm, how do you find yourself spending your time on the 7+? What do you use it for? When do you use it instead of a phone?

speedrabbit said:
rtfm, how do you find yourself spending your time on the 7+? What do you use it for? When do you use it instead of a phone?
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We're still WiFi only out here in the boondocks of northern New England. No 4G and barely any 3G in the area. So the Tab for me is mostly a media consumer. I've tried to use it at work as a notepad, document viewer but it's a bit cumbersome to get everything in order for that big meeting you're going to have. But for looking at, listening to or reading stuff like I say how did I live without it?
Being an old shortwave/ham radio geek, the ability to lay in bed and stream radio stations from anywhere in the world is still a revelation to me.
I've purchased my first 2 Kindle ebooks from Amazon and read them on the Tab. I still have mixed feelings about "owning" e vs. "real" books on the living room shelves but I looked forward every night to reading a book on the Tab.
The 7+ does video where the 7 couldn't. Netflix just works (mostly).
I threw away my old big-red-LED AM/FM alarm clock and i use the alarm in the tunein Radio app to wake up every morning.
If you download the maps that you need before you go on a trip Google Maps is your GPS all set for your vehicle.
Music. I'm still waiting for the proper player to get the album art right, but it's got all my music on it.
Online news. Every morning with a cup of coffee. Read the headlines and a few stories. From just about anywhere in the world. Still for free. Simply amazing.
All of this from a little box that fits in your back pocket.

Hi, same here. I've been using Original Galaxy Tab for quite some time, and I've bought myself a 7+ last two weeks. For me, it is indeed an upgrade version of the original one, but it's not too far away. It has better speed, but it is not as fast as SII. I used SII last month and I thought they would be more or less the same in term of performance as they share the same processor. Is it related to Honeycomb? Anyway, I love the Honeycomb instead of Gingerbread on the original Galaxy Tab. Honeycomb's widget and notification bar are quite useful and eye-candy.
What I miss on the 7+ is the feeling of toughness and durability. The original Galaxy Tab feels solid and tough. Gorilla glass, and the black colour border makes the difference. On 7+, the silver border looks fragile, I accidentally scratch it last week and the paint drop is obvious at that spot. =(
One more thing, when I put it in my pocket, (yes it's my primary phone), I always mispress the power button and volume rocker. Maybe its because this time, the edge is thinner and sharper.

This will b my first tablet. So my question is the design of the plus exactly like the original because im trying to find cases and things and there's not much out there for the tab plus just wondering mine will b here Monday or sooner so just wondering
Typed by my midget minion

rtfm1777 said:
My WiFi only 7+ maybe feels a bit more unstable than the 7? Netflix freezes every once in awhile, which absolutely never happened on the 7. Then again the 7 couldn't even stream half the video that's out there, so I'm not complaining.
I actually like the look and feel of the smaller icons. Yes, a bit harder to navigate but esthetically it just feels better to me.
The only thing I really miss from the original Tab is my high res embedded album art. All of the music players I've used are stretching the thumbnails rather than finding the embedded file. I'm assuming this is a Froyo vs. Honeycomb thing?
Speaking as an old school, analog geeky tech guy who was dragged kicking and screaming into the digital age, I can honestly now say I don't know how I lived my life without a Tab 7+ in my back pocket.
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I had both the Wifi and 3G versions of the 7+. The Wifi version was defintiely more unstable. I already sold it. It kept having sleep of deaths.
the 3G version for some reason is rock solid.
Another thing is that I can watch Flash video on the 3G version. For some reason, the Wifi version is more finnicky playing online streaming video. I don't understand it. I tried the same sites, but got different results.
However... the 3G version for some reasons takes a hell of a long time to charge. I was charging it at 4 in the afternoon and it's now 8:20pm and in four hours or so I only got up to about 60% charge. What the hell?!

Mochan said:
I had both the Wifi and 3G versions of the 7+. The Wifi version was defintiely more unstable. I already sold it. It kept having sleep of deaths.
the 3G version for some reason is rock solid.
Another thing is that I can watch Flash video on the 3G version. For some reason, the Wifi version is more finnicky playing online streaming video. I don't understand it. I tried the same sites, but got different results.
However... the 3G version for some reasons takes a hell of a long time to charge. I was charging it at 4 in the afternoon and it's now 8:20pm and in four hours or so I only got up to about 60% charge. What the hell?!
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My Tab + charges in 3 hours and it was always full battery.

First tablet ever for me, bought it for the bat life and size. Needed something bigger than the 4.8 inch Viliv N5 or old Sony UX 280p. Seems my vision is getting worse with age lol, anyhows i have found the device to be very gratifying. Been an old pda user for years, so it feels like a larger smoother pda for me. Check news, facebook, watch vids and such on it. Only complaint is not neccisarily its fault (gameloft games dont run on it). Or at least the ones i playon my G2.
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rtfm1777 said:
My WiFi only 7+ maybe feels a bit more unstable than the 7? Netflix freezes every once in awhile, which absolutely never happened on the 7. Then again the 7 couldn't even stream half the video that's out there, so I'm not complaining.
I actually like the look and feel of the smaller icons. Yes, a bit harder to navigate but esthetically it just feels better to me.
The only thing I really miss from the original Tab is my high res embedded album art. All of the music players I've used are stretching the thumbnails rather than finding the embedded file. I'm assuming this is a Froyo vs. Honeycomb thing?
Speaking as an old school, analog geeky tech guy who was dragged kicking and screaming into the digital age, I can honestly now say I don't know how I lived my life without a Tab 7+ in my back pocket.
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Let me update this 2 months later. One firmware update and a couple of Netflix upgrades have come and gone. The video playback is rock solid and whatever slight stability issues I noticed in the beginning are not bothering now. I'm still annoyed by the album art thumbnail issue. But as far as I'm concerned the 7+ is top of the line.
And if I've got what I need right now, why do I need ICS?

My Galaxy Tab "died" over the weekend and since I need a Tab I replaced it on Monday with the Plus.
Overall I'm liking the Plus but some thing are bugging me. The fonts and widgets seem smaller, though the screen's are the same resolution. Can't seem to make home screens I'm happy with
On the plus side the P6200 is so much faster! Also the screen seems much more vibrant.
Now if I could only get my screens sifted I'd be a happy camper.
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GPRS/EDGE Class details
This is my first post in this forum. I am planning to finalise on Galaxy Tab plus 7.0 (GT-P6200). The Samsung India website doesn't provide exact information about the Product.
Which data class the GT-P6200 belongs> Is it Class 10 or Class 12 or Class 33?
The Exynos chipset used in GT-P6200 is same as GT-P6800?
Is the CPU Overclocked in GT-P6800?
The Tablet GT-P6200 sold in India comes with IR peer and from which country dose the company imports the Tablet (China, Korea or Vietnam)?

[Q] Advice on storage limitations

Hi All
I currently have a HTC Desire Z which I love ..... unfortunately my touchscreen intermittently becomes non-responsive in the middle and a factory reset didn't fix.
As part of a Product Replacement Plan Bell Canada will give me a HTC One S for 150$ ....
The HTC One S looks like a wonderful phone except for one head scratching unbelievable crippling ..... only 10GB of storage and no SD slot.
Unfortunately, this omission makes this phone a big step backwards from my Desire Z. Why? .... because my unlocked Froyo Desire Z with apps already does everything I want it to reasonably quickly and I can store all my music on it because I have a 32GB microSD card in it.
I don't want to spend hours figuring which tracks and photos I want to store locally on the phone. It becomes a nightmare of babysitting. With the Desire Z all I have to do is sync a few tracks here and there as I add them to my PC.
Is there any way to get around this limitation?
I have used Dropbox and the phone comes with 20Gig of Dropbox Storage, but really what good is that for music or even pictures? Is Dropbox so integrated with the OS that it is just like they are local except for a some lag. Otherwise how would I find tracks and play them in the music player. Would PowerAMP be able to catalog them? What about album art, playlists and lyrics? I can't see how any would work gracefully with Dropbox, even if it was integrated, as cataloging the tracks properly would mean accessing 32GB of on-line files, which would take days and cost a fortune.
I have already compressed my music to the minimum acceptable quality in OGG and it barely fits a 32GB card.
I think there already is a microSD card slot present in the HTC OneS ...... has anyone taken a shot at un-crippling it?
If it wasn't for this problem I would be more than happy with this phone, but the crippling seriously affects how I actually currently use my Desire Z.
What could have possibly be going through the designers minds to have a microSD card slot and disable it? I know SD storage is a major pain in Froyo because somewhere in the chain from APP programmer to Google Play market something is messed up because a lot of 3rd party apps cause SD card corruption, but I would have thought that would have got fixed by ICS.
If I wanted a 10GB phone with no expansion I would have bought an Iphone. HTC just removed one of the features that brought me to Android in the first place. I find it hard to believe that SD memory controller chip just wouldn't fit in the case. The only reason I can think of is that HTC wants to go back to the bad old days of renting content by forcing users on line to pay data and rental fees. But that doesn't make sense unless they are desperate to please carriers.
I will probably end up telling Bell to keep this phone unless somebody here has some advice or workaround.
The Samsung Galaxy IIIS might be an option but I am shy on Samsung because they used to be the worst cripplers. I had a Samsung SGH255 that wouldn't even let me set a jpg picture as a background unless the picture was taken with the phone it was so locked down. Those were the bad old days and I see removing SD storage as the first step back to those days.

First off, if you know you are asking a question(though this seems more of a statement than anything, please post in the question section.
I had g2/dz and this phone blows it out of the water.
I don't see why people feel the need to load so many gigs of music. It's not that hard to delete stuff you dont want and add stuff you do want
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Widrive is my solution. I keep almost everything backed on there.

It wouldn't bother me if the One S had half the storage it has. For me a phone with 150gbs of storage wouldn't be enough to house my music collection, and even if such a device were available and affordable there's no way I'd load all my library onto my phone.
That's what playlists are for.
In my case, my music, video, photo collection etc is on my NAS, and distributed around my network regardless of the rendering device, music station, tv, phone, MP3 player, etc. All I ask of my phone (or any device I want to play any media) is the ability to join my network and a client. I always have more than one or two of my many playlists stored locally for when I'm out and about, but if I'm pottering in the garden I can stream any playlist, album, whatever, whenever. It's easy, fast and it works. My music files stay safe, backed up and RAID 1 protected, my phone stays uncluttered.
It doesn't have to be NAS of course, it could an ordinary PC, the point is the mindset. A requirement for local storage will always end up in disappointment because your OGG and FLAC collections will always grow much faster than your ability to pay for devices with increase storage capacities with which to cope with them.
If you insist on vast amounts of local storage, good luck. But perhaps the HOS is not for you. I would instead save your money buy a cheap phone and spend the difference on a separate MP3 player.
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You can buy the HTC ONE S special edition, or ONE X \ ONE X+, and even GALAXY S3.
And yeah.. I have the same problem that you have - 16GB is not enough for me

My reasoning
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My reasoning
From the OP
Sorry for posting in the wrong section .......
I am surprised people can't understand how luxurious my HTC Desire Z with PowerAMP is/was for music and why I don't want to give it up.
1) When all your music sits on a microSD card there is no maintenance of your mobile music whatsoever except to copy a new tracks over from your PC once and a while. No syncing, no copying files back and forth. There is no work and who wants more work. I don't want to have to babysit my music or sync new tracks in the morning trying to guess what I might want to listen to during the day.
2) Music choice becomes spontaneous when you have it all with you. I just pick up my Desire Z open Power AMP and all my music is already cataloged with album art. It takes 30sec to make a short playlist suited exactly to the mood I am in. Every time it is a new listening experience exactly tailored to my mood.
3) I have a home music system ..... my Desire Z is for playing music everywhere else. When your files are cataloged and local you can play them anywhere regardless of data usage or cell reception, even when you need to turn off data because of roaming charges.
4) 32GB cards are fairly cheap and 64GB and even 128GB cards are becoming available. Nothing on-line can even remotely compete with the speed and accessibility of them.
5) A dedicated music player is a waste of money for me because when I want it I probably won't have it because I don't want to lug it around. I lug a cell phone around because it is a necessary evil and it is very nice to automatically have a really good music player along for the ride.
If I could load up all my music to Dropbox and be able to seamlessly catalog and access it with PowerAMP just like the music was on a microSD card I would probably pay for 100GB of storage and be done with it. But as far as I can tell there is no on-line storage that can do this.
I wouldn't even consider this phone but it is the phone Bell wants to give to me as a replacement for my Desire Z. Before I fight with them I would really like to have HTC One S work for me because other than the limited storage it suits me just fine but alas there doesn't seem to be any solution.

Well looks like your getting a different phone then. I have 42 mp3 albums on my phone which I change when I'm bored with what's on it. Now taken into consideration that each album has 12 tracks (average) and run for 4 minutes each that's 33.6 hours of continuous music. Please explain to me why you could possibly need any more than that? Not to mention the extra workload with so many files.
Oh and I have ALOT on my sdcard but still have 2.5gb free. I think you need to understand that your buying a phone not a mass storage device to hold all your sh*t on. This phone is in my opinion outstanding, certainly the best phone I have ever owned and so what if it doesn't have an sd slot? It stills beats the snot out of most other phones on the market.

You make all the antediluvian arguments for having a separate music player then say you don't want to lug one round.
Take the HOS from your network provider sell it and buy another desire or somesuch. I'm not sure you are ready for this phone.
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Actually have the phone now
From the OP
I actually got my HTC One S in the mail.
Its beautifully designed and almost a work of art. For everything other than music it is a great phone. Yes it is fast and smooth but it really doesn't do anything that my Desire Z couldn't do with apps. ICS and Sense is getting pretty bloaty too.
For music it is utterly horribly crippled. How can HTC sell a music oriented phone and only give it 10GB storage? They make a phone that actually has a good audio quality and then they make it inferior to 2 year old technology by forcing you to synch files.
Does anyone actually like syncing files? It is a horrible waste of time and energy and there is always a good chance you won't have the song you want to listen to with you. When you have your whole collection with you all the time, you just scratch your head and wonder how you could have ever synched files.
HTC Desire Z with a microSD card - reach into your pocket and queue up the songs you feel like playing .... Done
HTC One S - wake up and try to remember to sych songs you think you might like to play, wait wait wait ... Error the tracks won't fit .... search through to find the files you wanted but must leave behind..... try syching again ...... leave for work. Later, reach into your pocket, but your mood isn't the same and you are missing what you would like to hear. Then you try to remember what you actually have on the device ..... then you give up and just pick something second best (or 3rd) because it happens to be there. Repeat 2-3 times a day.
I don't think the two experiences are even remotely similar. Wouldn't you rather just reach into your pocket and play what you want to hear? ...... that is 2 year old tech already mature and working and now there are 128GB cards so even a huge collection could be sampled down in OGG and it would fit.
For music nothing can come close to local storage, until data is unlimited and on-line files can be cataloged locally and transparently on the phone.
Can anyone really say they like leaving 1/2 their collection at home? There is no need to as long as a phone has a microSD slot. Even a cheap 32GB card is big enough because OGG is more than good enough for phone hardware.
The point of all this: an microSD slot is an essential aspect of Android .... no phone should be without one, especially one where they bothered to put Beats Audio on it. I switched to Android almost for that alone.

I don't understand your problem...But I know that 10gb is really not enough. So I suggest you to buy samsung galaxy s2/3, or htc one x+ or Iphone.
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Should I buy it?

Hi guys, I would be grateful if you could share your experience with me about it, is it usable or it lags too much, have too much bugs or something, is it worth to buy or not, I dont want to throw my money? I got XSP a couple months ago, so I would like to got a watch too, I guess it should pair without problem. What is really important to me, is it possible to read whole message on e-mail, gmail app or something like that? Because I wanted to make some notes and read them from my watch, is it possible? Thanks for answers

I've got mine since a couple of weeks and I really like it, battery life is much better than I expected and I haven't got any major issue. With the GMail app you can read the whole message (text only) but if you want to create notes, you'd better use the Smart Note app, it's free, made by Sony (I think...) and the notes are sent to your watch which means that even with bluetooth off, you can still read your notes on the watch.

You should be aware that there's lag on the commands as any BT device. Still I find it the best. I have a SW1 and a Pebble too but it's the SW2 that I use. Best looks, best finish and better usability. I'm gonna get killed for this but the pebble looks and feels like a cheapo compared to the Sony :thumbup:
Envoyé depuis mon SM-N9005

JUst sold my original galaxy gear and planning to replace it with the pebble but looking at this forum I'm now going for the SW2

-Starman- said:
I've got mine since a couple of weeks and I really like it, battery life is much better than I expected and I haven't got any major issue. With the GMail app you can read the whole message (text only) but if you want to create notes, you'd better use the Smart Note app, it's free, made by Sony (I think...) and the notes are sent to your watch which means that even with bluetooth off, you can still read your notes on the watch.
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Don't forget Tiny Tasks! It syncs your Google tasks (notes) for viewing on the watch. It does require the bt connection though.
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Now thinking about buying this too, i have a question. When I play music on the phone, can I actually change the track, volume, etc. directly from the sw2?

yes you can

Thank you. Thought about buying the gear 2 neo, but it cannot do this simple task

Thank you guys for help, I will buy it in a couple of weeks with the cheaper band. I need to ask you also, have you faced the problem about watch where his right side fell out of frame? Seen it somewhere on forum i guess.

yep, happened to me, glued it back together with superglue
there's a thread in this areas with pics

Can someone who owns it tell me please does it receive calls when connected to xperia z1c? And another one - i found that it can control the original music player on the phone, but what will it be - sony's walkman or google music? and what about third-party music players, like poweramp? Or is the screen always on so i can check the time without having to press this button on the right? And can i install custom wallpapers on its tiny screen? and, the most important one, can i see something on this screen outside, in the sunlight?

necr0manser said:
Can someone who owns it tell me please does it receive calls when connected to xperia z1c? And another one - i found that it can control the original music player on the phone, but what will it be - sony's walkman or google music? and what about third-party music players, like poweramp? Or is the screen always on so i can check the time without having to press this button on the right? And can i install custom wallpapers on its tiny screen? and, the most important one, can i see something on this screen outside, in the sunlight?
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There's an app for poweramp, I didn't test it though, but it's available.
You always have the "watchface" to check time without having to touch it.
As for sun, I didn't have any issue under direct sunlight.