My brother-in-law thinks he wants an ipod touch. I would like to discourage his use of locked-down apple products.
Basically he wants a wi-fi only pda with excellent music player and web-browsing capabilities. Should be memory expandable via sd or similar. Not sure how much he needs the calendar/todo/contacts...
I would add the following hardware requirements: nice, reasonably priced (i.e. cheaper than ipod), with good xda-forum rom support. Used and refurbished is fine, although new would be great as well.
I was thinking about a new android tablet, but he says he wants something smaller, to fit in a pocket.
My experience with this site is with my smartphones, so I am not sure where to start looking for wi-fi only recommendations. Please be gentle with my ignorance.
Thanks!
I have an ipaq 210 that now has dedicated pmp duties. It doesn't have much support here on xda, but there is a decent community on brighthand:
http://forum.brighthand.com/hp-ipaq-210-enterprise-handheld/
Install a media player, such as nitrogen, and tell him to buy a big cf card and sd card.
well i use my player only for music.. it doesnt have wifi or any webbrowser..
but im using a cowon s9. freakin best **** i ever used to hear music, just amazing quality!! the ipod or the zune is nothing against this!!
but if he really needs a player with wifi.. he should probably go for a zune player, looks cooler and is just cooler than any other apple ****
probably u can browse through the homepage of cowon, maybe u find a good player with webbrowser.. all their players are just awsome..
www.cowon.com
the players of them doesnt need any other programm like itunes.. u just drag and drop ur files like to a extern hdd or memory stick
Well naturally if your gonna pay those prices why not just get a nice WM or Android phone. Other then that check out Zunes, and Archos makes some ipody things.
But for what your looking for! I would get a Dell 51v PDA. You can get em for 40-50 on ebay now and they rock. Check up on the stats on this badboy. I used to carry one before smartphones were really good. Big touch screen, graphics accelerator, runs on WM so you have TCMP, Core, Mortplayer, etc... Wifi, BT, CF, SDIO, etc.. I'm about to make some scanners for garage saleing and this is turned out to be the best PDA for that purpose. I loved mine.
Android phone. I wish there was an Android MP3 player, because that would just be sick.
get an lg incite. Really. that is what I use for my youtube/mp3/light web browsing. it will support up to a 32gb sd card. replaceable battery headphone jack wifi bluetooth and its a pretty good phone. also you can get them for under $60 on ebay (I hate ebay).
@D4rkSoRRoW
Agree with the cowon audio, they can't be beat. However, I would avoid archos completely, unless you can get one for next to nothing
There is Sony Walkman, Microsoft Zune HD and several another music players. However, nothing is perfect as the Apple iPod Touch in terms touch sensitivity and number of applications.
Samsung Mondi, any of the 4.3" Smart Q devices, Archos 5,
Dark Sorrow, I own a D2. I would not EVER recommend Cowon products until they have rockbox ported. Sound quality most people don't care about (I do obviously), the software is some of the worst I have ever used, and I have a Windows Mobile phone. I dumped it in lieu of my rockboxed iPod mini (went back actually). Any sound quality that Cowon could formerly charge huge amounts for is beaten soundly by a cheap refurbished Sansa Clip(+), something with decent stock software as well as full (but crash prone) rockbox support.
iPod touch 1G 8-16GB go for 50-70.
I don't see the problem with the touch.
A Zune HD 32GB can be had for around 130 refurbished.
I think he would be happier with an iPod touch. It has a better browser (despite crappier hardware), games, and applications, and is easy to use.
Definitely not an Archos 5, its too big, and at that price might as well buy two iPod touches.
So far I've bashed everything but haven't given suggestions.
Droid Eris sounds like something that would fit in your criteria.
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Dark Sorrow, I own a D2. I would not EVER recommend Cowon products until they have rockbox ported. Sound quality most people don't care about (I do obviously), the software is some of the worst I have ever used, and I have a Windows Mobile phone. I dumped it in lieu of my rockboxed iPod mini (went back actually). Any sound quality that Cowon could formerly charge huge amounts for is beaten soundly by a cheap refurbished Sansa Clip(+), something with decent stock software as well as full (but crash prone) rockbox support.
iPod touch 1G 8-16GB go for 50-70.
I don't see the problem with the touch.
A Zune HD 32GB can be had for around 130 refurbished.
I think he would be happier with an iPod touch. It has a better browser (despite crappier hardware), games, and applications, and is easy to use.
Definitely not an Archos 5, its too big, and at that price might as well buy two iPod touches.
So far I've bashed everything but haven't given suggestions.
Droid Eris sounds like something that would fit in your criteria.
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the flash UI is amazing, i dont know ur problem )
anyway.. i dont need userfriendlines, im a freak that just wants quality, and ipod quality suxx badass, u know that
Have you tried the Sansa Clips? They're much better (I prefer buttons to touchscreen, only good thing is you can skip to any place in the song, but thats not what I usually do anyways). I meant the actual Cowon firmware, everything is really non-intuitive. If they hired some good software professionals they would actually have a solid device. I didn't get the S9 since it wasn't microusb,
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Have you tried the Sansa Clips? They're much better (I prefer buttons to touchscreen, only good thing is you can skip to any place in the song, but thats not what I usually do anyways). I meant the actual Cowon firmware, everything is really non-intuitive. If they hired some good software professionals they would actually have a solid device. I didn't get the S9 since it wasn't microusb,
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i tried the sansas, yes they are cool, but quality is crap compared to cowons devices. im talking about music quality, not design, or whatever
it doesnt matter for me if it looks cool or is easy to use, the music has to sound awsome
probably the firmware isnt that awsome for everyone, but the fact that its all flash opens many many new possibilities
but anyway, the sansa clip is too small, and i hate non-touchscreen players xD
I have had a Zune 80gb (not HD), iPod classic (now 64gb Touch), and briefly the Archos 5 Android Tablet with Android. Other than the Archos, I would say that they all have their good points. The Archos was a complete fail for me. I couldn't charge the unit while using it, it would not connect to my home wifi, and the screen felt too soft (resistive, not capacitive). I would say that if you want more storage than 32gb, currently I would go with iPod Touch (I see Zune has already released their 64gb version). Seeing this, I would recommend going with the one that has the screen size you like.
I do find it funny that (over at an iPod Touch forum I frequent) the very people that automatically denounce anything ro do with the Zune HD all but salivate when they see a Zune HD theme for their iPod Touch. But then, I am easily amused...and distracted. What was I saying?...
btw dratini, u know that u have a dragonir as avatar and not a dratini? xD
Yeah I thought Dratini wasn't too pretty, in synthetic sound tests the Clip and Cowon have no sound quality problems, so I don't know why you didn't like it.
With features like MP enhance and the soundstage settings for the Cowon though, it does sound better, but at stock they sound pretty much the same, except the Cowon is a bit colder and more analytical (I like this sound, but the UI is too bad for me to use), the Clip is more compressed but people rarely notice that unless they have expensive headphones.
Wish they would port Rockbox for the D2 already, its been unstable for years now.
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With features like MP enhance and the soundstage settings for the Cowon though, it does sound better, but at stock they sound pretty much the same
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thats what i mean. i hate stock settings, and the cowon is one of the only players that got so awsome settings, wich make the soundquality that much better..
i just set my s9 to stock settings, lol it sounds so cheap xDD *switches back*
and im using expensive earplugs, u know >.<
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Ok, so I've been using an HTC for my last 3 phones and now have to decide if I want to go with the Raphael or the iPhone 3g. Anyone here with experience with both care to comment?
If you want a keyboard, higher res screen, multitasking, slingplayer, a wireless modem for your laptop, support from xda dev like me, then you have to get the raphael. Otherwise the iphone would be ok i suppose.
My personal opinion about the iPhone 3G is that i find it more of a gadget then a real poweruser phone.
I also like the fact that the Raphael has a keyboard and that's a must for myself.
Here's a comparison link from pdadb.net for some spec differences.
I say GO HTC!
Plus there's no Cut/Copy/Paste functionality and the only Bluetooth profiles it supports are headset and hands-free, so no file transfers or music streaming.
And you'll have to put up with poor 3G reception: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/13/iphone_not_very_3g/
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Ok, so I've been using an HTC for my last 3 phones and now have to decide if I want to go with the Raphael or the iPhone 3g. Anyone here with experience with both care to comment?
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Sort of related to pros...
I had the Diamond for a week and sent it back as the battery life was useless. Also the device heated up a lot when in use. The last straw came when I was trying to use it on the beach and the screen was totally washed out.
I am currently trying out an iPhone, and I must admit it does most all of what I want (phone/email/web) and some more... and the screen is visible in bright sunlight! Just need to get over some missing things - and itunes. Oh, and O2 network (useless 3G - have to switch it off most of the time). Oh, and iplayer works fantastically... thats almost sold me now.
I still have my TyTn2 in case I need a MS6.1 fix, but as things are going, I doubt it.
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My personal opinion about the iPhone 3G is that i find it more of a gadget then a real poweruser phone.
I also like the fact that the Raphael has a keyboard and that's a must for myself.
Here's a comparison link from pdadb.net for some spec differences.
I say GO HTC!
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I agree with WatskeBart 100%. The iphone has impressive hardware with the exception of the lack of keyboard of course but it can't do all that a normal smartphone can do because of the software on the device. If all u want is a media player and internet browser then u should get an iphone 3g. If you are a phone techie then u will be disappointed all the way. Not to say that the touch pro can't be a media player. As i'm writing this email i'm listening to music on my touch pro and i was watching Hancock like 30 mins ago.
HTC for sure!!
I talk from personal experience as I had an iPhone 3g before selling it to buy my Touch Pro.
I had the original iPhone which i soon chopped in for an N95 8gb as it was too slow for net usage and the lack of apps was rubbish. I then got the upgrade to the 3g iPhone thinking this would be an amazing bit of kit due to 3g, GPS and the new App Store. After a week of owning it I was not impressed at all.
Firstly the 3g, its half speed of the HTC only 3.4 i think as opposed to 7.2mbs and even when it does get a 3g connection it times out constently. Then when the 3g connection drops it fails to switch to Edge or GPRS sometimes which means it will never connect.
The GPS is ok, although running google maps of both the accuracy on the TP is much better I found plus you cant put TomTom on the iPhone at present.
Then there is the app store, what a load of tosh. The apps that are free are free becos, well you wouldn't pay for them and to be honest I found I had a load of apps installed just becos you could not becos you wanted them.
I would say the only thing the iPhone does better is music and games, being an iPod it should be and the games you can buy do run very well although limted due to control system.
Another niggle i had with the iPhone is the new case, it scratches so easy and you always feel you have to treat it with cotten gloves. One day indoor use and i had hairline scratches on the apple logo
I sold my iPhone on ebay for a tidy sum and have had a week with the Touch Pro and am so glad i did it.
Plus if you geta WM you get help and support from all the peps on here, the iPhone community is no where near as good lol
2 things which bother me about iphones are
1. got a free rss program of itunestore for my ipod touch
and without copy paste one have to surf to the rss feed one wants
and write it down on a note open the rss program and write it there
silly that one cant copy paste
2. got a free ebook reader program but only way one can get ebooks is from www url's
no option to get all the ebooks on my computer into the ipod
so it's useless
suspect the lack of freedom with iphones / ipods
both consering accessing data from ones computer and
lack of SD data or even basic filesystem access
are one of their biggests problems
forgot tomtom, and a2dp. use that all the time too.... iphone cant do either.
HTC as the it can access parts of the internet the iphone carn't reach
Touch Pro rocks!
I personnally think the Touch Pro and iPhone are not / should not even in the same category at all:
- 2.8" screen for "pocketability" vs 3.5" screen for comfort
- Full qwerty keyboard vs no keyboard (granted, the on-screen keyboard on the iPhone is even better to use than PCM Keyboard on my VGA 4 inches-screened HX4700, mainly due to the capacitive touchscreen)
- On one side, the nerly endlessly extensible Windows mobile, can do anything, but you can't expect noobs to fiddle with the registry everyday and swap ROMs to have a better-working device
- On the other side, the iPhone platform is less open, but easier to use for nOobs, apps are easy to install, and (where the features are actually implemented) it just works
Surely there are other different points!
I myself just couldn't care to be ensconced in the iPhone, with clearly throttled-down features (no A2DP protocol for BT, no MMS, no video with the camera, no f#$..g copy-paste, for Krishna's sake? How hard can it be?).
My vote goes for the Touch Pro!
My 0.02$...
kmann said:
Ok, so I've been using an HTC for my last 3 phones and now have to decide if I want to go with the Raphael or the iPhone 3g. Anyone here with experience with both care to comment?
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I hope that kmann could make his decision based on our replies
plain and simple........copy and paste........nuff said.
the iphone is just a glorified Ipod, the HTC phones are usable computers in your hand and much much more.
I would suggest that you take a look at the iphone thread on the macrumours forum. You get the views of a large number of iphone owners there. To my mind, they fall into 3 categories: On the fence types, fan boy types (for whom the iphone can do no wrong) and a substantial number of people who are having real problems with the iphone - not so much the things that are missing (cut and paste, a2dp etc.) but problems with doing basic phone stufff (like making calls) and build quality issues (cracks appearing in casings, bits falling off/ stopping working etc.).
I am not an iphone hater - I have an Ipod touch with the very latest firmware on - it is a great music player and some of the apps from the apple store are good fun - I have even bought a couple! I have also spent a couple hours playing with the latest iphone (a friends'), as a phone and a serious business tool, it just didn't cut it for me.
Ok, time to chime on again. Thanks all for your input. I've got 30 years of experience in deep IT technology. I've programmed Operating Systems, hardware etc. I've cooked my own ROMs for the HTC phones. And maybe I'm getting old and tired of fighting the hassles, but you've got to admit the iPhone is sexy, and simple.
Sure I understand the limitations, for example, I use push email and Calendar sync and I realize Apple has yet to fully implement the ActiveSync APIs which causes issues.
So I am in a quandry. Am I tired of fighting the custom ROMs and having the some extra features I rarely use, or do I want sexy and simplicity.
Ah, I guess we live in great times when these are the decisions I have to wrestle with.
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Ok, time to chime on again. Thanks all for your input. I've got 30 years of experience in deep IT technology. I've programmed Operating Systems, hardware etc. I've cooked my own ROMs for the HTC phones. And maybe I'm getting old and tired of fighting the hassles, but you've got to admit the iPhone is sexy, and simple.
Sure I understand the limitations, for example, I use push email and Calendar sync and I realize Apple has yet to fully implement the ActiveSync APIs which causes issues.
So I am in a quandry. Am I tired of fighting the custom ROMs and having the some extra features I rarely use, or do I want sexy and simplicity.
Ah, I guess we live in great times when these are the decisions I have to wrestle with.
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i got sexy, simplicity as well as configurability. NOkia E71 (white steel). cant go wrong, 3.5G, BT, WIFI, GPS. all works as it should. IM using Garmint Mobile XT with Australia NT Maps 2009 without any issues, BT works like a charm, music player is fantastic, 8GB microsdhc card is fast.
dont know what else to say, im glad i bought this phone.
jasjamming said:
i got sexy, simplicity as well as configurability. NOkia E71 (white steel). cant go wrong, 3.5G, BT, WIFI, GPS. all works as it should. IM using Garmint Mobile XT with Australia NT Maps 2009 without any issues, BT works like a charm, music player is fantastic, 8GB microsdhc card is fast.
dont know what else to say, im glad i bought this phone.
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Wow, one of the top chefs of all time goes with the E71 (it is a badass device btw). Are you considering getting a touch pro and cooking for it or are you just chillin in the forums (hope its the former or your part of the elite project).
I will go for the Raphael because of this great forum here, but as far as I have compared these two phones in action I must say that at this moment the only advantage of the Raphael is the keyboard, if you really need one:
1. The screen resolution of the iphone is not VGA, but the screen size is bigger (3.5 against 2.8) and this is a big advantage. The screen quality is great and the keyboard is bigger because of the size, so for many people it is not a problem to type.
2. Programs start much faster on iphone. Yes, they do!
3. The OS is much more stable for the moment. Plus, iphone comes with a stable version of a web browser, not with a beta version of Opera (which I like, but still it is beta!).
4. The iphone is really easy to use.
Cheers,
Eriol
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I will go for the Raphael because of this great forum here, but as far as I have compared these two phones in action I must say that at this moment the only advantage of the Raphael is the keyboard, if you really need one:
1. The screen resolution of the iphone is not VGA, but the screen size is bigger (3.5 against 2.8) and this is a big advantage. The screen quality is great and the keyboard is bigger because of the size, so for many people it is not a problem to type.
2. Programs start much faster on iphone. Yes, they do!
3. The OS is much more stable for the moment. Plus, iphone comes with a stable version of a web browser, not with a beta version of Opera (which I like, but still it is beta!).
4. The iphone is really easy to use.
Cheers,
Eriol
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I also agree with Eriols arguments. The program starting part can be quick on HTC i think that depends on how your ROM is configured.
Eriol said:
I will go for the Raphael because of this great forum here, but as far as I have compared these two phones in action I must say that at this moment the only advantage of the Raphael is the keyboard, if you really need one:
1. The screen resolution of the iphone is not VGA, but the screen size is bigger (3.5 against 2.8) and this is a big advantage. The screen quality is great and the keyboard is bigger because of the size, so for many people it is not a problem to type.
2. Programs start much faster on iphone. Yes, they do!
3. The OS is much more stable for the moment. Plus, iphone comes with a stable version of a web browser, not with a beta version of Opera (which I like, but still it is beta!).
4. The iphone is really easy to use.
Cheers,
Eriol
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I think that brings it back to what WatskeBart said earlier about the iphone being a gadget not a power house phone. Don't get me wrong I have nothing against the iphone i think the hardware is excellent for a second try but there need to be some tweaking. They should open up the software and do like google did for andriod offer 10k for the best iphone progs.
I have been reading several topics on the forthcoming HD and it seems that most of us are very excited and anxious about the HD. Was wondering how many of us would actually dump the TP for the new HD...!!!
I personally don't see the point. The HD is basically a bigger diamond with Pro specs.
I seem to be one of the few who still prefer phones that actually fit in a pocket.
Now a Diamond with Pro specs (RAM, card slot, video out, etc) only missing the keyboard but thinner would be something to think about.
I'm very tempted to go for the Touch HD when (if!) it eventually gets released on T-Mob UK.
Fed up of waiting for them to get the Pro out of the door, plus now I'm running TF2D on my Hermes with the Diamond keyboard I'm not so sure I need a hw keyboard, especially with the bigger screen of the HD typing should be a breeze.
It's not so big as to not fit in a pocket, same size as an iPhone pretty much and noone complains about the size of that (not even Apple haters like me!). It'll be like going back to my old Blueangel! I think the thickness of the Pro makes it less pocketable than a bigger but thinner phone like the HD.
the reason i didnt get a diamond or iphone is because theres no keyboard... so no, im still on the raphael ship
Please note that the HD has no directional button. This will make it useless for games. Even with Diamond and Touch Pro, the limitation of buttons available make it difficult running games. Further more, I'm missing the camera and record button. It is quite troublesome using the TouchFlo 3D to get to the camera.
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Please note that the HD has no directional button. This will make it useless for games. Even with Diamond and Touch Pro, the limitation of buttons available make it difficult running games. Further more, I'm missing the camera and record button. It is quite troublesome using the TouchFlo 3D to get to the camera.
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directional buttons? make use of the accelerometer! i really wish WM has games like iphone
Hmm i'm thinking the same, i currently own a Pro but i'm thinking of selling it and get a HD later. But i'm not sure atm.
I don't know if i'm convinced about the iPhone/HD big, wide & flat format.
Plus the fact that I always have the impression that the larger the screen the more susceptible to damage that screen is. I would be scared witless to put something like a HD in my pocket!!
I really would have to play with one in a store and see how good the onscreen keyboard was before I could make an informed choice.
So far my TP is doing everything I need and is a big improvement over my old Artemis that served me well for 2 years. Would changing from a TP to a HD be an improvement??? Seeing the specs are similar what "improvement" would I be getting??? If the answer is only a "nice big screen" then why would I bother bearing in mind it would probably cost a couple of hundred pounds to 'upgrade'???
Never: it's way to big, it has no keyboard and no flash(light).
Well... talkin about the flash, I dont really think that the flash on touch pro is of any use either...
I just saw someone walking by that just might be prittier than my current girlfriend....
Because I'm spoiled (and Christmas is almost here), I'm going to get the HD and keep the TP. This way, I can alternate depending on which type of mood I'm in. Just like swapping my watches.
Geez...I love my wife!
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Please note that the HD has no directional button. This will make it useless for games. Even with Diamond and Touch Pro, the limitation of buttons available make it difficult running games. Further more, I'm missing the camera and record button. It is quite troublesome using the TouchFlo 3D to get to the camera.
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That means the iPhone is useless for games? I've even seen NES emulators on iPhones... Come on now.
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I don't know if i'm convinced about the iPhone/HD big, wide & flat format.
Plus the fact that I always have the impression that the larger the screen the more susceptible to damage that screen is. I would be scared witless to put something like a HD in my pocket!!
I really would have to play with one in a store and see how good the onscreen keyboard was before I could make an informed choice.
So far my TP is doing everything I need and is a big improvement over my old Artemis that served me well for 2 years. Would changing from a TP to a HD be an improvement??? Seeing the specs are similar what "improvement" would I be getting??? If the answer is only a "nice big screen" then why would I bother bearing in mind it would probably cost a couple of hundred pounds to 'upgrade'???
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5MP camera, 3.5mm headphone jack for starters.
The 5mp camera is not really a major thing to be to be honest, cause mobile cameras could never come even close to the quality of the actual point & shoot cameras, hence ppl who takes snaps with their phones can very well get away wit the 3.2mp for random moments capturing. But yes the audio jack is definately a good improvement on the HD, I always prefer to have a conventional audio connector...
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The 5mp camera is not really a major thing to be to be honest, cause mobile cameras could never come even close to the quality of the actual point & shoot cameras, hence ppl who takes snaps with their phones can very well get away wit the 3.2mp for random moments capturing...
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I totally agree the camera is just a gimmick really. If you want good quality pics to keep you'll take them with a conventional digital camera with an optical zoom. Phone cameras are only good for MMS messages and snapshots to be disposed of at a later date IMHO.
As for the audio connector... why spend 200 quid to update the phone when you can get a HTC mini USB to 3.5" audio adapter on-line for £5???? Doesn't make sense to me unless you have money to burn!
I thought about it too, but my main concern is battery life. Its not great on my TP, with that screen it will be terrible on the HD. I doubt you'll get through watching a full movie!
"That means the iPhone is useless for games? I've even seen NES emulators on iPhones... Come on now."
maybe he mean useless for all those current wm games where many require more hardware buttons then any htc phones got to control various functions like tombraider don't know of any htc phone which had enough buttons for that
I wouldn't replace my TP with HD because I think it's great having a keyboard on your phone for messaging, email, even writing blogs or modifying web pages when I'm not home.
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I thought about it too, but my main concern is battery life. Its not great on my TP, with that screen it will be terrible on the HD. I doubt you'll get through watching a full movie!
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Are you still running the stock ROM? Wouldnt hurt to explore a cooked flavour before you abandon it
I need some help people. I will be upgrading from my N95 this year. I am currently very pleased with the functionality of the phone, it does everything I could possible want, and it does it fairly quickly. I love the Speakers and the multimedia capabilities. So, I wanted to know, if I choose to upgrade to the X1 (Rogers will be getting it this year), how disappointed will I be? I really want a touch screen phone with a qwerty keyboard, so i'm stuck between the X1 and the touch Pro.
I was originally going for the Touch Pro, but I like the larger screen on the X1 and the ability to put Yado or Yada ( forget how to spell it) tabs or what ever in it. Also, there seems to be a large amount of complaints as to the build quality.
I will of course be testing the devices when they are released a month or two from now, but wanted some input. If I ultimately don't like either device I will be upgrading to the N96, selling it and buying the N97 unlocked later on this year.
So I guess my main question is, How disappointed will I be if I choose to upgrade to the X1 or the Touch pro?
Edit* do either of the phones support hand writing? And how accurate is it?
Well...
Both X1 or Touch Pro are great devices, and OS Windows Mobile 6.1 is much much greater than any Symbian OS, appart from that upgrading to any of those you mentioned you´ll have the support of this great site (Not with Nokia)
My personal recommendation would be the X1, and don´t think you will disapointed.
Good luck on your decision!
i went from a n95 to a touch diamond. i still miss the ease of use of the n95. im kinda regretting the decision.
Why not wait for the N97 if you're already so at home with the Symbian OS?
Myself, I can't pick just one phone. I have a Nokia E90 and an O2 XDA EXEC and depending on what I need to use my phone for on a particular day, I put my SIM in the phone most suited for this. And Nokia PC Suite and WMDC both work well allowing me to keep all my stuff up to date on both phones.
I upgraded from the e90 because of the touch screen.
Well, forget to be fine with WM, i am very disappointed.
Wait for n97.
alessio
The thing is, If I upgrade to the X1 or Touch Pro I will get a $650 credit. If I dont I have to pay out of pocket, or upgrade and sell the phone.
I love symbians functionality, but its boring IMO. I like the eye candy of touch flow more.
With the N97, i dont like the Dpad being on the left, and as I stated before, S60 is boring . So I think I may just end up going to the X1.
There are a lot of stuff far worse done by the current HTC or S-E lineup:
- camera
- no call recording
- no stereo speakers
If you (would) use these, go for the N97 instead.
S60 is boring indeed... I've been a symbian S60 user for many years and I don't regret switching to wm 2 years ago... With wm the possibilities are endless...
Most S60 3rd Ed devices are very easy to use compared to wm devices but that's because they're designed to act more like feature phones even though they're actually smartphones. so you may find the X1 or Pro a bit complicated at first but after a while you'll love having a full fledged pc in your pocket
With wm you can do most of the stuff that you can do on a PC...
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S60 is boring indeed... I've been a symbian S60 user for many years and I don't regret switching to wm 2 years ago... With wm the possibilities are endless...
Most S60 3rd Ed devices are very easy to use compared to wm devices but that's because they're designed to act more like feature phones even though they're actually smartphones. so you may find the X1 or Pro a bit complicated at first but after a while you'll love having a full fledged pc in your pocket
With wm you can do most of the stuff that you can do on a PC...
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Yes, but when used as a plain phone or as a multimedia device, unfortunately, HTC's current lineup has major problems. This is why I'm not absolutely sure he (she)'ll like the change.
Just remember that although the screen on the X1 may be "bigger" it is significantly narrower, that 480 pixel width occupies a smaller space. The X1 is definately an impressive device, but when compared to my touch pro, the narrow screen and lack of accelerometer were the deal breaker for me.
Mind you I love the panel interface which aaaaalmost makes up for it, but I love my TP and dont regret my decision in the slightest
Menneisyys said:
There are a lot of stuff far worse done by the current HTC or S-E lineup:
- camera
- no call recording
- no stereo speakers
If you (would) use these, go for the N97 instead.
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How much worse is the quality of the camera on the X1? I dont mind no call recording, and stereo speakers is something that I might worry about. How decent are the speakers though, compared to the N95?
owziee said:
S60 is boring indeed... I've been a symbian S60 user for many years and I don't regret switching to wm 2 years ago... With wm the possibilities are endless...
Most S60 3rd Ed devices are very easy to use compared to wm devices but that's because they're designed to act more like feature phones even though they're actually smartphones. so you may find the X1 or Pro a bit complicated at first but after a while you'll love having a full fledged pc in your pocket
With wm you can do most of the stuff that you can do on a PC...
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Good to hear about ur positive switch. WM looks complicated looking at all the different ROMs and Radios which can be flashed.
Menneisyys said:
Yes, but when used as a plain phone or as a multimedia device, unfortunately, HTC's current lineup has major problems. This is why I'm not absolutely sure he (she)'ll like the change.
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Alrighty, so Multimedia usage is out? Crap.
euphoria47 said:
Just remember that although the screen on the X1 may be "bigger" it is significantly narrower, that 480 pixel width occupies a smaller space. The X1 is definately an impressive device, but when compared to my touch pro, the narrow screen and lack of accelerometer were the deal breaker for me.
Mind you I love the panel interface which aaaaalmost makes up for it, but I love my TP and dont regret my decision in the slightest
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I find that im just using the accelerometer for playing ball games such as marble maze (similar to teeter I think) on my N95.
I always thought that the screen was bigger on the Touch Pro width and Length? So that means its just longer?
Have you experienced and issues with your phone? And how did the keyboard compare to the X1's?
Do both phones support hand writing recognition?
Menneisyys said:
There are a lot of stuff far worse done by the current HTC or S-E lineup:
- camera
- no call recording
- no stereo speakers
If you (would) use these, go for the N97 instead.
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I got the HTC touch hd, and dont know what your talking about, the camera is great, ot only doesnt have a flash, but what flash on any mobile phone does create good pictures in the dark? I have yet to see a single phone that takes good looking pictures in the dark. I got call recording on it but ok i installed that custom. Stereo speakers are overrated imho, because any phone speakers suck anyway, at least for playing music, you should play music with earbuds, or trough car radio.
Maedhros said:
I find that im just using the accelerometer for playing ball games such as marble maze (similar to teeter I think) on my N95.
I always thought that the screen was bigger on the Touch Pro width and Length? So that means its just longer?
Have you experienced and issues with your phone? And how did the keyboard compare to the X1's?
Do both phones support hand writing recognition?
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1.I think you are right, the x1 seems longer, but it is the same.
2.I prefer the keyboard to the touch pro.
3.Both support handwriting recognition.
This link may be of interest to you:
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_xperia_x1-review-303.php
^ a review which compares X1 to touch pro
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I got the HTC touch hd, and dont know what your talking about, the camera is great, ot only doesnt have a flash, but what flash on any mobile phone does create good pictures in the dark? I have yet to see a single phone that takes good looking pictures in the dark. I got call recording on it but ok i installed that custom. Stereo speakers are overrated imho, because any phone speakers suck anyway, at least for playing music, you should play music with earbuds, or trough car radio.
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Yea, im sure their good, but coming from the N95, Carl Zeiss Optics lens + 5mp Camera. But it did suck at night shots.
I actually enjoyed listening to music through the N95 when im doing something and I dont want earbuds getting in my way.
euphoria47 said:
1.I think you are right, the x1 seems longer, but it is the same.
2.I prefer the keyboard to the touch pro.
3.Both support handwriting recognition.
This link may be of interest to you:
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_xperia_x1-review-303.php
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Good to know u liked the X1's keyboard more than the touch Pros. Touch Pros just seems more functional, and I like the rubbery feel (at least on Bells CDMA version)
Ok, so I can writing something with the stylus, and it will transfer it into text? So I can use it as an alternative text input method?
When you buy a S60 v3 FP1 phone, that will stay a S60 v3 FP1 phone forever.
I bought my Himalaya, brandnew, running Windows 2003 long time ago (cant remember the date). Comes the Windows 2003SE, I was able to upgrade it to Windows 2003SE. Then the Magneto, to Crossbow, and now, my beloved aging Himalaya is running WinMo 6.1. I'm hoping that there's a 6.5 upgrade for Himalaya.
i've always wondered about this because of all the posts. its kind of a rant just forwarning
i understand that the US is in a recession so excuse me if i generalize, but why use the fuze as a substitute carpc? i understand people spend good money on a pda but why not just build a carpc.
you get more functionality with more upgradability and bigger screen
a budget inspired carpc can be had very cheap even brand new is still cheaper than buying a unbranded unlocked touch pro.
just to give you guys an idea i've built mine under 500 it would have been mid 300 but i'm an audio guy so i had to get a legit sound card and went with a 8" vs 7" and keep in mind this is brand new prices. you dont even need a sound card
8" touchscreen ~150
all-in-one pc ~90
hdd + memory ~60
power supply ~80
sound card ~100
i get internet and gps because of my phone but any 3g gps enabled phone could do this.
i think a fuze attached to wires is ludacris and hateful to the phone. its a "mobile" phone not a landline lol k flame away
The Fuze does almost everything your CarPC does and it fits in my pocket. I can take it into the gym and still access my music, still use the internet, etc. Just in the car it's attached to a larger screen.
If I went with a CarPC project I'd want to go all out. I have a Dodge Charger with the stock NAV. It works well but it is limited; not a touchscreen, only plays MP3 CDs with no hard drive interface.
I've played with the idea of replacing it with a 10" touchscreen for VGA movies/DVDs, pretty well sized solid state HD for media storage (for shock resistance and low energy consumption), wifi to link with my home network and download while in my garage, run Windows XP with some GPS based Navigation software, and of course have a USB port for my Fuze to serve as a 3G modem when on the road for browsing and traffic updates.
If I could link the Fuze to a touchscreen, maybe even interface with a more accurate GPS antenna, and wire it into my car stereo I would be one happy driver.
KevinACrider said:
The Fuze does almost everything your CarPC does and it fits in my pocket. I can take it into the gym and still access my music, still use the internet, etc. Just in the car it's attached to a larger screen.
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i know you said almost everything so just to toss it out there. i do make backups of my cds but in order to add music to my phone i would have to either buy mp3s online or use my pc to add music to the phone. same goes with movies. of course this is legally speaking only.
i change through albums and artists all the time. i dislike wm players just takes to long to access
i can drive around and pop in dvds and watch movies on road trips.
i also enjoy listening to higher quality stereo (ya i know its a personal preference i've listened to afew mp3 player instals and i am enjoying the money well well spent)
the battery isn't horrendous on the fuze but its not above decent. i would love to be on wifi or 3g the whole time. yes we know hopping on peoples networks is a nono but still. yes i can take my fuze with me but charging and listening to music ugh power noise
norok said:
you dont need to go all out. i've just got the necesities and its getting the job done plus some. and a side note i have a hdd and pushing around 137dbs but just doubled the watts so should be a few higher and the hd is about 3yrs old still holding strong and taking a ridiculous daily beating (vegas heat and a sub next to it).
i do really enjoy my phone and i've used it as a center for my car while doing the carpc instal and while driving other ppls cars and i can say i am glad i switched but of course personal preference. its just so much easier to do same things.
again just wanted to rant. flame away
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Dear All,
I know this is more of a WinMo oriented forum, I still could your advice as mobile enthusiasts.
I'm in the market for a new phone. I've narrowed my selection to the Iphone 3GS or Omnia HD.
I like to do everything, so the more options the merrier.
My problems with the Iphone:
-Where I live, it's expensive as hell. I'm talking 1000$
-Apple is doing good playing catch on the hardware options, but it's still missing things i value like an fm radio and a good camera.
My problems with the Omnia HD:
-Unknown territory with the new symbian performance.
-no app store.
The TP2 is too bulky for my taste, the new xperia X2/X3 might take ages to arrive and N97.....well i just dint like it.
My last phone was the Xperia, was happy with it, tragically died in an accident. Infact, if i don't decide, i'll probably get another xperia.
Any ideas, advice, suggestions?
1000$ ????? There are fools that spend this money??? No iPhone!!!
D'rath
D'rath said:
1000$ ????? There are fools that spend this money??? No iPhone!!!
D'rath
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dude, it's horrible!. The 32gb 3GS is going for 1250$.......
utrx said:
Dear All,
I know this is more of a WinMo oriented forum, I still could your advice as mobile enthusiasts.
I'm in the market for a new phone. I've narrowed my selection to the Iphone 3GS or Omnia HD.
I like to do everything, so the more options the merrier.
My problems with the Iphone:
-Where I live, it's expensive as hell. I'm talking 1000$
-Apple is doing good playing catch on the hardware options, but it's still missing things i value like an fm radio and a good camera.
My problems with the Omnia HD:
-Unknown territory with the new symbian performance.
-no app store.
The TP2 is too bulky for my taste, the new xperia X2/X3 might take ages to arrive and N97.....well i just dint like it.
My last phone was the Xperia, was happy with it, tragically died in an accident. Infact, if i don't decide, i'll probably get another xperia.
Any ideas, advice, suggestions?
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Where I live is also very expensive to buy a device, what I do is to buy overseas so I can get good prices, said that and regarding your question,
my personal opinion is to go for HTC Hero, Diamond 2, or Toshiba tg01 if you are worried about tp2 too bulky.
I would never think on buy Iphone or Omnia...
Just my 2 pesos
Good luck on your desicion!
utrx said:
My problems with the Iphone:
-Where I live, it's expensive as hell. I'm talking 1000$
-Apple is doing good playing catch on the hardware options, but it's still missing things i value like an fm radio and a good camera.
My problems with the Omnia HD:
-Unknown territory with the new symbian performance.
-no app store.
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Well, to begin, I want to comment on the price. My friend, $1000? I'm guessing it's the unlocked retail version. If you purchase it online, you can save quite a bit of change. On the other hand, the Omnia HD is now surprisingly cheap. In fact, I have been watching it since it's release, and it has steadily went down in price (on eBay, at least) by $20 every week. When it was released, it would have cost you $720 online. You can now get it for $600 (even less if you're diligent).
But enough about price, lets get to the point. From my perspective, this is what it comes down to:
1) Screen - Omnia HD; not only is the i8910's screen bigger and it's AMOLED, but it even has a better resolution.
2) Battery Life - Roughly equal
3) Specs - Equal; Both have the Cortex A8 600Mhz with an accelerated video chip
4) Camera - Absolutely Omnia HD; the picture is of a better quality, higher res, and video recording is far superior.
5) Applications - iPhone; Do I need to explain why?
Ultimately, as my evaluation above suggests, the question really comes down to what is more important: The i8910's HD capability or the iPhone's incredibly variety of apps.
You're worried about Symbian's performance, but it performs very well (albeit the i8910 seems to stutter in some places). One thing is for sure: It performs better than Windows Mobile (sorry guys). What is my opinion regarding these two phones (which I happen to have an interest in myself)?
If you were to ask me, I would go with the Omnia HD. The price plays a large factor in it, but what really turned the table was the incredible specs. The 3.7in, capacitive AMOLED is simply impossible to ignore and the CPU is just damn nice. The camera's capability is also very impressive, albeit I do not worry much about phone cameras myself. Word of warning, however: there have been multiple complaints regarding this aspect of the Omnia. Many says it does not work as advertised and it is true to an extent (for example, the listed 24fps recording is not completely accurate).
Furthermore, while performance on Symbian shouldn't be an issue, the variety of apps really is disappointing. Windows Mobile itself seems to beat Symbian in apps. The i8910 and the 3GS has the same CPU, but honestly, the iPhone's apps makes far better use of the power. Truthfully, Symbian itself is a rather old OS and it badly needs an overhaul to compete better with new OSes. These new revisions just aren't cutting it.
Anyway, to reiterate my stance, here is the main benefits of each phone:
Omnia HD
1) Best screen
2) Great camera/HD capabilities (although not perfect)
3) Great interface
4) Better extra specs (e.g. secondary camera, FM radio, etc)
iPhone 3GS
1) Best apps/games by far
2) 3GS is available in America and makes better use of American 3G (i8910 does not have 850 frequency)
3) Better support/community (this is debatable)
Whichever above is more important to you, I suggest you get that phone.
8525Smart said:
Well, to begin, I want to comment on the price. My friend, $1000? I'm guessing it's the unlocked retail version. If you purchase it online, you can save quite a bit of change. On the other hand, the Omnia HD is now surprisingly cheap. In fact, I have been watching it since it's release, and it has steadily went down in price (on eBay, at least) by $20 every week. When it was released, it would have cost you $720 online. You can now get it for $600 (even less if you're diligent).
But enough about price, lets get to the point. From my perspective, this is what it comes down to:
1) Screen - Omnia HD; not only is the i8910's screen bigger and it's AMOLED, but it even has a better resolution.
2) Battery Life - Roughly equal
3) Specs - Equal; Both have the Cortex A8 600Mhz with an accelerated video chip
4) Camera - Absolutely Omnia HD; the picture is of a better quality, higher res, and video recording is far superior.
5) Applications - iPhone; Do I need to explain why?
Ultimately, as my evaluation above suggests, the question really comes down to what is more important: The i8910's HD capability or the iPhone's incredibly variety of apps.
You're worried about Symbian's performance, but it performs very well (albeit the i8910 seems to stutter in some places). One thing is for sure: It performs better than Windows Mobile (sorry guys). What is my opinion regarding these two phones (which I happen to have an interest in myself)?
If you were to ask me, I would go with the Omnia HD. The price plays a large factor in it, but what really turned the table was the incredible specs. The 3.7in, capacitive AMOLED is simply impossible to ignore and the CPU is just damn nice. The camera's capability is also very impressive, albeit I do not worry much about phone cameras myself. Word of warning, however: there have been multiple complaints regarding this aspect of the Omnia. Many says it does not work as advertised and it is true to an extent (for example, the listed 24fps recording is not completely accurate).
Furthermore, while performance on Symbian shouldn't be an issue, the variety of apps really is disappointing. Windows Mobile itself seems to beat Symbian in apps. The i8910 and the 3GS has the same CPU, but honestly, the iPhone's apps makes far better use of the power. Truthfully, Symbian itself is a rather old OS and it badly needs an overhaul to compete better with new OSes. These new revisions just aren't cutting it.
Anyway, to reiterate my stance, here is the main benefits of each phone:
Omnia HD
1) Best screen
2) Great camera/HD capabilities (although not perfect)
3) Great interface
4) Better extra specs (e.g. secondary camera, FM radio, etc)
iPhone 3GS
1) Best apps/games by far
2) 3GS is available in America and makes better use of American 3G (i8910 does not have 850 frequency)
3) Better support/community (this is debatable)
Whichever above is more important to you, I suggest you get that phone.
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iPhone does not need support, you download the appliations, you use it, that's it. It doesn't function for tweaking and it doesn't feature running as a background processes. So it is very unlikely for you to have trouble. Really, when the phone freezes you don't need a community for that to sticky that. All you need is to google or use yahoo answers to get that.
Also using Cydia and unlocking your device is easy. No community is needed.
Furthermore the applications are comparable to Symbian because obviously the applications only run in foreground, therefore making the applications pointless and ****ty.
You have to understand that when you install applications in iPhone you don't really change the settings, so there is almost rarely a chance for program incompatibility...once again, they run in the foreground only 1 AT A TIME. So support for this phone? It's not needed.
yup same here in my country. iphone 3G was about $1000 before the 3GS released.
and IMO if i were u, i would still get xperia. It was familiar for me, no need to worry if i got some errors, many apps had been collected, what else? as long as u're satisfied, nothing's wrong to buy it again
I got my iPhone a few weeks ago..............best phone ever! As much as I'd love to talk about all the great things, I think the name iPhone says enough Camera isn't bad it's quick and takes good pics. MMS has an easy solution email, every cell phone has an email address u can send/rec pics with. Light, very fast, good battery, perfect touch ui, safari, and iPod. If ur worried about fm radio there are plenty of free apps to stream local radio stations.
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iPhone does not need support, you download the appliations, you use it, that's it.
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Ah, but it does. Community/support simply doesn't mean help for when you have trouble using the iPhone. Those things you mentioned (jailbreaking, Cydia, etc)? Those were things created by the iPhone community.
I suppose we may refer to them as different things, but I have always consider all things related to a particular device/software/etc to be that particular thing's community (e.g. XDA would be a part of the Windows Mobile community). Whichever we want to refer to it as, however, the iPhone undoubtedly has a very large and active group of people working to improve it, and I don't see why they shouldn't be included.
After all, look at how many people here takes into consideration 'XDA support' as a reason to purchase a particular phone or not, so I think it's a valid thing to include.
orb3000, 8525Smart, TheChampJT, ingerasu.
I thank you for the information you provided.
Yes, i have heard about how the Omnia's HD camera does not do 24fps and the sound is usually out of sync.......I need to download videos from reviews and check it out first hand.
So far I'm leaning towards the Omnia. I get addicted to Apps(iPhone) and Flashing(WinMo), perhaps the lack of them with the Omnia will be a bit of a relief. What I see is almost all of what I get.
If I find an Omnia HD around for an accepatble price, I'll get it.
Everyone has an Iphone, need to diversify
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I got my iPhone a few weeks ago..............best phone ever! As much as I'd love to talk about all the great things, I think the name iPhone says enough Camera isn't bad it's quick and takes good pics. MMS has an easy solution email, every cell phone has an email address u can send/rec pics with. Light, very fast, good battery, perfect touch ui, safari, and iPod. If ur worried about fm radio there are plenty of free apps to stream local radio stations.
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Good for you!
Shame you won´t have more customisation/personalization/flashing...
Any grandma out there can have one exactly identical to yours
Hope at least you save one winmo/htc to play with it!
Cheers friend!
utrx said:
Everyone has an Iphone, need to diversify
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Well said!
don't get these posts what do people expect to get as reply?
it's like going to www.worldhunger.com and asking give to the needy or whopper with bacon ?
IPhone does have excellent support community. In fact even better than XDA in my opinion. The amount of tweaks and customization that iPhone geeks do would shock you guys. Check out for example www.modmyi.com. All the popular Cydia software vendors have dedicated sub forums there. People there do go very deep into tweaking.
i would rather have the IPhone 3Gs over the Omnia HD.
just my opinion....
crazy talk said:
i would rather have the IPhone 3Gs over the Omnia HD.
just my opinion....
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You can record video with a Iphone 3Gs yes but you cant still do a video call with a a 1000 USD phone and no optional memory can be inserted.
Is Steves engineers retards or something? Like then they build the macbook air.
While with a 100 USD phone I expand its memory, take better pictures and even do a videocall.
So why pay 1000 USD for Iphone?
Besides my S/E X1 I have Omnia HD. If S/E had given the X1 a bigger screen like the Omnia. Then the X1 would have been better. Cause the current isn't finger friendly like Omnia HD.
Why do people keep forgetting that application is the most important thing to look at? Camera is but just one of the many applications. There are many more that we need. Whichever could deliver the best application solutions is the winner.
newuser888 said:
Why do people keep forgetting that application is the most important thing to look at? Camera is but just one of the many applications. There are many more that we need. Whichever could deliver the best application solutions is the winner.
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not even the best, just what you need in a presentation you like using.
i know this is a Winmo forum so iphone=crap. but it really is a decent device.
the OP will not be disappointed in either phone. so his best bet is to try both.
to me atleast you really cannot make a bad choice when it comes to current smartphones. they all work quite well.