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After the failure of N Series, they came up with 6708/E-Series...6708 is Symbian UIQ, one may say SE P910i repacked..which supports, 2 GB SD Card...
Guys, what do u say..most of the PPC people will now divert to 6708..

no because most PPC users are PPC users because they don't like the alternatives which are UIQ, Palm, etc. And the 6708 isn't the first UIQ device so no, its not gonna take many PPC users.

I've tested the slightly older version of the symbian os, e.g. 6680, I personally don't really like it. Probably because that particular version is not a touch screen.
However, I've tried using a Palm PDA (without phone) before and I think Palm OS is quite good. For anyone that like fuss-free dependable-trouble-free PDA (probably phone too), Palm OS is good. However, I'm kinda tech-y guy which likes to mess with stuff, hence I opt for a Windows device. I'll recommend my dad for a Palm OS phone though, if the price isn't so much more than a Windows based unit. Treo's stuff are expensive, right?

Considering the fact that HTC already has "real" smartphones with build in Wifi hardware i disagree... I think Nokia and SE are the ones loosing slowly terrain in front of the Windows Powered devices.
Even the popularity of the Palm Os is falling... why else would Treo build devices with Windows Mobile nowadays?

Funny that, I've always rather wished HTC would stop using windows mobile as the OS on their devices.
Such lovely handsets, but then held back by an OS that's really not ready for primetime.
I used to dig on Series 60, but Nokia keep putting it on massively underpowered handsets (or maybe it is bloated?), so it seems so slow.
UIQ was pretty dire when I tried it on a P800, but I hear that the new version on the W950 is pure gold (responsive, well-thought out, easy to navigate without a stylus), according to various reviewers.
PalmOS, now, seems a bit of an old nag in this race, but then I remember reviews of the WinMo Treos generally going along the lines of "man, these worked so much better with the PalmOS, why would you even do that?"

which do you think will be a better UIQ system, though?
P990i
M600
W950i
OR
Nokia 6708

As far as the handsets themselves go, I'm torn between the M600 (blackberry style keypad, wifi) and the W950 (4Gb flash!).
Hell, it'd be a no-brainer if SE didn't insist on using those new tiny memory sticks. As it is, those things cost a load, don't top 2Gb, and are really fiddly, so the W950's ample memory is very tempting.
Which one will have a better implementation of UIQ? No idea.
Well, no, OK, so you can pretty much assume the two SE models will have the exact same implementation, of which I have heard very good things in reviews. I really cannot speak for.
I imagine, however, that so long as it has a jog-dial then there's no reason it shouldn't be the exact same experience.

Thought the W950i DIDN'T have a scroll wheel. Anyone to say anything regarding this? However, I'm torn right now. I'm either for The SE W950i, or the Advance TC MAGIC. What do you guys think?

bobgorila said:
As far as the handsets themselves go, I'm torn between the M600 (blackberry style keypad, wifi) and the W950 (4Gb flash!).
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You sure the M600 has wifi? according to gsmarena specs , it doesn't have wifi. As for the keyboard, I personally thinks as a touch screen PDAphone, one shouldn't be using a hardware keyboar Maybe becaues my first ever PDA is a Palm (which can only do writing), I kinda like the idea (and with a stuck habit) of using writing, especially in such a small environment. The small size of the unit doesn't seems to be suitable for a keyboard I'd say, go for the 4GB!!
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Thought the W950i DIDN'T have a scroll wheel. Anyone to say anything regarding this? However, I'm torn right now. I'm either for The SE W950i, or the Advance TC MAGIC. What do you guys think?
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If you were to look at the W950 picture here , it seems to have a scroll whell alright. That's a W950, I hope 950i has it.
Anyway, MAGIC runs on WM5, right? I kinda stucked with WM5 now, and reluctant to go for the Symbian UIQ thing now. Go for MAGIC, it looks really cool. Other than the possibly more stable OS (of W950) and a better manufacturer, I think the MAGIC wins on most of the expect, and it doesn't use Sony MemStick!

Lol. Maybe I'll buy both of them....

You sure the M600 has wifi? according to gsmarena specs , it doesn't have wifi. As for the keyboard, I personally thinks as a touch screen PDAphone, one shouldn't be using a hardware keyboard
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Egads, you're right. I guess it's a bit of a no-brainer now then. I wonder what ever gave me the impression it did have it...
Also: thus far I have found writing using virtual keyboards and character recognition on my Magician thoroughly painful, mostly because I just can't do it one-handed, or easily while walking.
For quick text-messages and the like a physical T9 pad is infinitely superior. And though I've not tried one, I'd say you'd want a mini-qwerty pad or similar if you're going to be writing longer emails, or using the device for IM (even with WAP prices what they are IRC is miles cheaper than SMS).
And this from a die-hard Newton fanboy who really really wishes the word-recognition in WM2003 that he recognises so well actually worked.

Iphone 3G vs Polaris

I am a WM user for 4 years now. My first device was Magician, second one is Polaris and the next one will be Iphone 3G.
I love HTC, they make perfect phones and the price does not bother me, neither lack of video drivers does. I always admired all the latest technologies they include in their phones (3MP camera, 3G+HSDPA, GPS, etc..).
The only thing I don't like in HTC is ... MICROSOFT WINDOWS. I hate using stylus. It is absolutely not user-friendly.
Now, with HSDPA and GPS in Iphone I am willing to sell my polaris. Just after 5 months of using! I used my magician for 3 years before and thought I will keep my new one for another 3 years. But I give up now. I want to buy a brand new Iphone now. Never used apple products before (even Ipod).
So, my question is - do you guys know any forum similar to this one (technical), but related to Iphone stuff?
Thank you for answers and sorry for leaving you in advance.

I understand and do myself feel that we are being cheated, but i say you should search google with " iphone discussion forum" and that search will lead you rightto one, i have seen a few, i dont have an iphone,(i might get one when the video calling gps one comes out.) but i do browse to see what iphone users azre getting up to with there devices.
g oogle is your best friend.

Mate, don't do it. The new iPhone only has a 2 Meg pixel camera, and you'll be tied into some ghastly price plan for life. Wait for the Raphael, which is personally my Holy Grail of phones. Ah, a real keyboard. soooo yummy
I agree about Windows Mobile, it sucks. And the new HTC Flo nonsense looks rubbish aswell, but you know....
Apple announced NOTHING exciting (appart from MobileMe, where the HELL is windows contact/calendar over-the-air synching without Exchange????). But still they gave ir a huge launch. 3G and GPS - big deal!

or the new Samsung i900 Omnia http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i900_omnia-2422.php seems to be very interesting device. I propebly sell my polaris and buy a Iphone or this Samsung. In some way im to bored with the htc policy with their devices, first i have the Trinity and waited if htc could atleast make a wm6 update on trinity..but now way..then Polaris with this driver issue forexample. Polaris may be my last htc device. The only thing which is very good to have a Htc device is this forum or the hole xda developers www site

I'll wait and see what can Android bring out of my Polaris... I like the design of the polaris, and with Android it'll be better... and more finger friendly...

madinga said:
Wait for the Raphael, which is personally my Holy Grail of phones. Ah, a real keyboard. soooo yummy
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Apple announced NOTHING exciting (appart from MobileMe, where the HELL is windows contact/calendar over-the-air synching without Exchange????). But still they gave ir a huge launch. 3G and GPS - big deal!
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I definitely would not say that the Raphael is the Holy Grail of phones. In fact it is far from it. The raphael is just a Kaiser with a flush screen and prettier touch flo. Big deal, nothing new.
Now I am a huge WinMo fan, but I can still say that the iPhone while it may not be a Holy Grail either, it is still the standard to which all high end phones are being held. It is far from perfect yes, but nonetheless it is the current standard. I'd venture to say that the majority of us that aren't switching b/c we are waiting for some little details in the form of functionality that we've enjoyed with our HTC phones. For some that may be 3G and GPS, for other such as myself 3rd party apps (VOIP!!!), and better bluetooth support (A2DP and tethering). For you that is clearly
windows contact/calendar over-the-air synching without Exchange
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Apple is getting closer and closer to closing in on its list of inadequacies with the iPhone, HTC on the other hand is not (and yes I realise that may be b/c they are tied down to WinMo 6.1).
I don't see any WinMo phone coming anywhere near where I or I would assume most of us want until Windows Mobile 7 is released. Windows Mobile 6 is just too slow, too small button oriented, too menu driven, and too lacking innovation (seriously, the UI is pretty much the same as its been ever since WinCE days back in 2000 or earlier).

well Raphael got vga over kaiser but then with smaller screens not everybody may notice
the thing that wm got going for it is lots of programs free ones and comercials ones
vs. iphone and android but with time it's not a good sleeping pillow for ms
kinda funny that while the pc world is unhappy with the current ms offering of vista
and want the next thing windows 7
pda owners are unhappy what wm6.1 can offer vs. the compatition so they want the next thing windows mobile 7
wonder if ms will release them at the same time :S :O

i love windows mobile and will not buy iphone. i was just in an att store today and the guy told me besides the phone being slash by half. u have to pay a huge fee to sign up for service. somewhere over $100. he said it would better serve u if u already had an iphone and wait for an upgrade rather than buying the new one.
as for htc. i am done with them. i wish i could find one of the developers and kick there ass. i am moving to another maker as soon as one catches my interest.

Yeah seriously WM6 is a dated wack ass looking piece of work. All this Touch Flo nonsense is just HTC trying to give their devices a fresher look. Otherwise you'd be staring at that boring ass Today screen that doesn't look good in the ads. Even Apple had to use a screenshot of WM in their keynote speech at WWDC '08 as a joke (how background apps run). This is in addition to the ActiveStink comment, which might be warranted, but I digress.
Point is, it does need to be seriously freshened up as an OS which is what WM7 is all about. However that's still a ways away. Plus barely any WM phones out there have gesture sensors or multi-touch screens anyway. Actually I don't know any that have both. 2 things the iPhone has had since last year. I am also curious as to what Android will bring to the Polaris, but I'm fed up with this dated WM6 OS (and lack of drivers).

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or the new Samsung i900 Omnia http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i900_omnia-2422.php seems to be very interesting device. I propebly sell my polaris and buy a Iphone or this Samsung. In some way im to bored with the htc policy with their devices, first i have the Trinity and waited if htc could atleast make a wm6 update on trinity..but now way..then Polaris with this driver issue forexample. Polaris may be my last htc device. The only thing which is very good to have a Htc device is this forum or the hole xda developers www site
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Hey, what's the point? Omnia is just another WinMo ****! If you consider WinMo - Polaris is the best thing to buy! IMO.

yallow said:
Hey, what's the point? Omnia is just another WinMo ****! If you consider WinMo - Polaris is the best thing to buy! IMO.
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Yes ofcourse omnia is a wm phone. that wasnt my point. The point was how htc treads us comsumers, selling unfinnish products, you buy a expensive phone and things are missing in the phone which will be upgrade in the NEXT model. I like win mobiles no doubt about that and now im thinking Symbian vs Win. Sorry to say but did you read the Omnia spesifications at all? much better that Polaris?
Omnia kick ass with polaris from that point of view

Guys I have both the Orbit 2 and the first gen Iphone and both have there advantages.
However these are being eroded with Iphone 3G, namely GPS and 3G data access.
I have to admit the interface on the iphone is simply incredible, fast and accurate glass screen that does not scratch. it is an absolute joy to use.
is is intuitive at performing ANY function were the Orbit you have to think about what you are doing and then some. The interface on the Orbit is clumsy at best, whilst typing is a joke compared to the iphone, it's keyboard is a joy to use, I can type faster on it than I could achieve on my blackberry.
and to boot the build quality of the iphone is leagues ahead of the HTC product.
The facts are WM6.whatever is slow, cumbersome and needs the update now.
I will still use my Orbit2 as the PC modem function is superb but once the iphone 3G comes is released I would have to say it will get a lot less use.

Honestly. I was an huge fan of Symbian phones. Now the Polaris is my first WM device and I really like it. After a couple of customizations the device is "fingerfriendly" and I can't remember when I was using the stylus the last time.
But this is not the point. I prefer the Polaris all over the IPhone (3G) because...
... I like to change my battery on my own
... I like to send MMS
... I like to have at least an 3 MP camera on board
... I like to decide to customize the software on my own
... I like to decide who my operater of choice is
... and so on
and compare to the first IPhone the new one is build out of plastic, has still the same "features" and the "innovation" is nothing new.
I am waiting for the Raphael to exchange it with my Polaris. It gives me the freedom I used to have and the hardware features I prefer.

I can answer all those must haves apart from change battery as yes, just 'get an unlocked iphone' it gives you all those features.
Even the 2Mp camera on the iphone is comparable to the Orbit 2 3Mp.
However in the end everybody to their own.
Simply put IMO the Polaris is not finger friendly at all, the crappy plastic screen that scratches too easily is very un-responsive unless you use a stylus which defeats the object of having a touch screen phone.
I will admit the Polaris is a feature laden beast that has many strong points, but its operational method and UI cannot even come close to the Iphone, it is like comparing Mac OSX Leopard to Windows 95, the difference is that great.

mikee5402 said:
I can answer all those must haves apart from change battery as yes, just 'get an unlocked iphone' it gives you all those features.
Simply put IMO the Polaris is not finger friendly at all, the crappy plastic screen that scratches too easily is very un-responsive unless you use a stylus which defeats the object of having a touch screen phone.
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I can give you a much bigger list of things that you probably can't do even with a jailbroken iphone.
As for a screen that scratches, are you using a protector on there? Shouldn't be getting any scratches. I've heard others that don't use a screen protector and say they aren't getting any scratches either but i'm not willing to take the risk.

i dont really like the iphone's interface.. is.. bored.. maybe with a lot of graphic effects but is just VERY SIMPLE.. many programs for windows mobile can emulate that.. but iphone will never do what windows mobile does..
ORGANIZE..
because is not the same to have a folder for each thing than use a scrollable screen for all..

you should realize once and for all that there are different perfect phones for different people.
i love my polaris.. because it's a small, light device, with GPS and 3G ability.. which i will start using soon.
while other people prefer bigger screens they can buy 3.5inch screens.. i can't stand it.. but the iPhone 3G is good for them.
while i like having a modular operation system.. even tho windows mobile is not perfect, other people love having everything built in, such as in the iPhone. some other people don't mind about GPS.. .. i do.
but there isn't one best phone.. there are a few... depending on the needs of every individual.

What about the Sony Ericsson Experia X1. At first glance, I think it's more powerfull than the Iphone 3G, HTC Diamond (and variants), and the TC. It's WM based, 800x408 resolution, small, light, and works in the US.
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I am a WM user for 4 years now. My first device was Magician, second one is Polaris and the next one will be Iphone 3G.
I love HTC, they make perfect phones and the price does not bother me, neither lack of video drivers does. I always admired all the latest technologies they include in their phones (3MP camera, 3G+HSDPA, GPS, etc..).
The only thing I don't like in HTC is ... MICROSOFT WINDOWS. I hate using stylus. It is absolutely not user-friendly.
Now, with HSDPA and GPS in Iphone I am willing to sell my polaris. Just after 5 months of using! I used my magician for 3 years before and thought I will keep my new one for another 3 years. But I give up now. I want to buy a brand new Iphone now. Never used apple products before (even Ipod).
So, my question is - do you guys know any forum similar to this one (technical), but related to Iphone stuff?
Thank you for answers and sorry for leaving you in advance.
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Don't forget... it'll be made by HTC!
And biig display is worth nill if not supported by applications.
Except if your main goal is to have nice media reproductor combined with phone
Touch Pro looks like killer device ATM...

Bodisson said:
Don't forget... it'll be made by HTC!
And biig display is worth nill if not supported by applications.
Except if your main goal is to have nice media reproductor combined with phone
Touch Pro looks like killer device ATM...
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In general, I agree with you that higher resolution need to be supported by the apps. However, I've also go an Imate 6150, and I used to have an ETEN x800, and I can tell you that even though most of the apps didn't make the best use of the real estate, that the text was much more readable, colors were sharper, icons looked better, etc.
If it weren't for the crappy ROM that comes with the Imate, I would be using it now. And unfortunately, the hacker community for Imate devices isn't as developed as it is for HTC devices.
Of course the other downside to VGA (or higher) is higher power consumption.
Dave

Raphael vs. iPhone 3g

Ok, so I've been using an HTC for my last 3 phones and now have to decide if I want to go with the Raphael or the iPhone 3g. Anyone here with experience with both care to comment?

If you want a keyboard, higher res screen, multitasking, slingplayer, a wireless modem for your laptop, support from xda dev like me, then you have to get the raphael. Otherwise the iphone would be ok i suppose.

My personal opinion about the iPhone 3G is that i find it more of a gadget then a real poweruser phone.
I also like the fact that the Raphael has a keyboard and that's a must for myself.
Here's a comparison link from pdadb.net for some spec differences.
I say GO HTC!

Plus there's no Cut/Copy/Paste functionality and the only Bluetooth profiles it supports are headset and hands-free, so no file transfers or music streaming.
And you'll have to put up with poor 3G reception: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/13/iphone_not_very_3g/

kmann said:
Ok, so I've been using an HTC for my last 3 phones and now have to decide if I want to go with the Raphael or the iPhone 3g. Anyone here with experience with both care to comment?
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Sort of related to pros...
I had the Diamond for a week and sent it back as the battery life was useless. Also the device heated up a lot when in use. The last straw came when I was trying to use it on the beach and the screen was totally washed out.
I am currently trying out an iPhone, and I must admit it does most all of what I want (phone/email/web) and some more... and the screen is visible in bright sunlight! Just need to get over some missing things - and itunes. Oh, and O2 network (useless 3G - have to switch it off most of the time). Oh, and iplayer works fantastically... thats almost sold me now.
I still have my TyTn2 in case I need a MS6.1 fix, but as things are going, I doubt it.

WatskeBart said:
My personal opinion about the iPhone 3G is that i find it more of a gadget then a real poweruser phone.
I also like the fact that the Raphael has a keyboard and that's a must for myself.
Here's a comparison link from pdadb.net for some spec differences.
I say GO HTC!
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I agree with WatskeBart 100%. The iphone has impressive hardware with the exception of the lack of keyboard of course but it can't do all that a normal smartphone can do because of the software on the device. If all u want is a media player and internet browser then u should get an iphone 3g. If you are a phone techie then u will be disappointed all the way. Not to say that the touch pro can't be a media player. As i'm writing this email i'm listening to music on my touch pro and i was watching Hancock like 30 mins ago.

HTC for sure!!
I talk from personal experience as I had an iPhone 3g before selling it to buy my Touch Pro.
I had the original iPhone which i soon chopped in for an N95 8gb as it was too slow for net usage and the lack of apps was rubbish. I then got the upgrade to the 3g iPhone thinking this would be an amazing bit of kit due to 3g, GPS and the new App Store. After a week of owning it I was not impressed at all.
Firstly the 3g, its half speed of the HTC only 3.4 i think as opposed to 7.2mbs and even when it does get a 3g connection it times out constently. Then when the 3g connection drops it fails to switch to Edge or GPRS sometimes which means it will never connect.
The GPS is ok, although running google maps of both the accuracy on the TP is much better I found plus you cant put TomTom on the iPhone at present.
Then there is the app store, what a load of tosh. The apps that are free are free becos, well you wouldn't pay for them and to be honest I found I had a load of apps installed just becos you could not becos you wanted them.
I would say the only thing the iPhone does better is music and games, being an iPod it should be and the games you can buy do run very well although limted due to control system.
Another niggle i had with the iPhone is the new case, it scratches so easy and you always feel you have to treat it with cotten gloves. One day indoor use and i had hairline scratches on the apple logo
I sold my iPhone on ebay for a tidy sum and have had a week with the Touch Pro and am so glad i did it.
Plus if you geta WM you get help and support from all the peps on here, the iPhone community is no where near as good lol

2 things which bother me about iphones are
1. got a free rss program of itunestore for my ipod touch
and without copy paste one have to surf to the rss feed one wants
and write it down on a note open the rss program and write it there
silly that one cant copy paste
2. got a free ebook reader program but only way one can get ebooks is from www url's
no option to get all the ebooks on my computer into the ipod
so it's useless
suspect the lack of freedom with iphones / ipods
both consering accessing data from ones computer and
lack of SD data or even basic filesystem access
are one of their biggests problems

forgot tomtom, and a2dp. use that all the time too.... iphone cant do either.

HTC as the it can access parts of the internet the iphone carn't reach

Touch Pro rocks!
I personnally think the Touch Pro and iPhone are not / should not even in the same category at all:
- 2.8" screen for "pocketability" vs 3.5" screen for comfort
- Full qwerty keyboard vs no keyboard (granted, the on-screen keyboard on the iPhone is even better to use than PCM Keyboard on my VGA 4 inches-screened HX4700, mainly due to the capacitive touchscreen)
- On one side, the nerly endlessly extensible Windows mobile, can do anything, but you can't expect noobs to fiddle with the registry everyday and swap ROMs to have a better-working device
- On the other side, the iPhone platform is less open, but easier to use for nOobs, apps are easy to install, and (where the features are actually implemented) it just works
Surely there are other different points!
I myself just couldn't care to be ensconced in the iPhone, with clearly throttled-down features (no A2DP protocol for BT, no MMS, no video with the camera, no f#$..g copy-paste, for Krishna's sake? How hard can it be?).
My vote goes for the Touch Pro!
My 0.02$...

kmann said:
Ok, so I've been using an HTC for my last 3 phones and now have to decide if I want to go with the Raphael or the iPhone 3g. Anyone here with experience with both care to comment?
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I hope that kmann could make his decision based on our replies

plain and simple........copy and paste........nuff said.
the iphone is just a glorified Ipod, the HTC phones are usable computers in your hand and much much more.

I would suggest that you take a look at the iphone thread on the macrumours forum. You get the views of a large number of iphone owners there. To my mind, they fall into 3 categories: On the fence types, fan boy types (for whom the iphone can do no wrong) and a substantial number of people who are having real problems with the iphone - not so much the things that are missing (cut and paste, a2dp etc.) but problems with doing basic phone stufff (like making calls) and build quality issues (cracks appearing in casings, bits falling off/ stopping working etc.).
I am not an iphone hater - I have an Ipod touch with the very latest firmware on - it is a great music player and some of the apps from the apple store are good fun - I have even bought a couple! I have also spent a couple hours playing with the latest iphone (a friends'), as a phone and a serious business tool, it just didn't cut it for me.

Ok, time to chime on again. Thanks all for your input. I've got 30 years of experience in deep IT technology. I've programmed Operating Systems, hardware etc. I've cooked my own ROMs for the HTC phones. And maybe I'm getting old and tired of fighting the hassles, but you've got to admit the iPhone is sexy, and simple.
Sure I understand the limitations, for example, I use push email and Calendar sync and I realize Apple has yet to fully implement the ActiveSync APIs which causes issues.
So I am in a quandry. Am I tired of fighting the custom ROMs and having the some extra features I rarely use, or do I want sexy and simplicity.
Ah, I guess we live in great times when these are the decisions I have to wrestle with.

kmann said:
Ok, time to chime on again. Thanks all for your input. I've got 30 years of experience in deep IT technology. I've programmed Operating Systems, hardware etc. I've cooked my own ROMs for the HTC phones. And maybe I'm getting old and tired of fighting the hassles, but you've got to admit the iPhone is sexy, and simple.
Sure I understand the limitations, for example, I use push email and Calendar sync and I realize Apple has yet to fully implement the ActiveSync APIs which causes issues.
So I am in a quandry. Am I tired of fighting the custom ROMs and having the some extra features I rarely use, or do I want sexy and simplicity.
Ah, I guess we live in great times when these are the decisions I have to wrestle with.
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i got sexy, simplicity as well as configurability. NOkia E71 (white steel). cant go wrong, 3.5G, BT, WIFI, GPS. all works as it should. IM using Garmint Mobile XT with Australia NT Maps 2009 without any issues, BT works like a charm, music player is fantastic, 8GB microsdhc card is fast.
dont know what else to say, im glad i bought this phone.

jasjamming said:
i got sexy, simplicity as well as configurability. NOkia E71 (white steel). cant go wrong, 3.5G, BT, WIFI, GPS. all works as it should. IM using Garmint Mobile XT with Australia NT Maps 2009 without any issues, BT works like a charm, music player is fantastic, 8GB microsdhc card is fast.
dont know what else to say, im glad i bought this phone.
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Wow, one of the top chefs of all time goes with the E71 (it is a badass device btw). Are you considering getting a touch pro and cooking for it or are you just chillin in the forums (hope its the former or your part of the elite project).

I will go for the Raphael because of this great forum here, but as far as I have compared these two phones in action I must say that at this moment the only advantage of the Raphael is the keyboard, if you really need one:
1. The screen resolution of the iphone is not VGA, but the screen size is bigger (3.5 against 2.8) and this is a big advantage. The screen quality is great and the keyboard is bigger because of the size, so for many people it is not a problem to type.
2. Programs start much faster on iphone. Yes, they do!
3. The OS is much more stable for the moment. Plus, iphone comes with a stable version of a web browser, not with a beta version of Opera (which I like, but still it is beta!).
4. The iphone is really easy to use.
Cheers,
Eriol

Eriol said:
I will go for the Raphael because of this great forum here, but as far as I have compared these two phones in action I must say that at this moment the only advantage of the Raphael is the keyboard, if you really need one:
1. The screen resolution of the iphone is not VGA, but the screen size is bigger (3.5 against 2.8) and this is a big advantage. The screen quality is great and the keyboard is bigger because of the size, so for many people it is not a problem to type.
2. Programs start much faster on iphone. Yes, they do!
3. The OS is much more stable for the moment. Plus, iphone comes with a stable version of a web browser, not with a beta version of Opera (which I like, but still it is beta!).
4. The iphone is really easy to use.
Cheers,
Eriol
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I also agree with Eriols arguments. The program starting part can be quick on HTC i think that depends on how your ROM is configured.

Eriol said:
I will go for the Raphael because of this great forum here, but as far as I have compared these two phones in action I must say that at this moment the only advantage of the Raphael is the keyboard, if you really need one:
1. The screen resolution of the iphone is not VGA, but the screen size is bigger (3.5 against 2.8) and this is a big advantage. The screen quality is great and the keyboard is bigger because of the size, so for many people it is not a problem to type.
2. Programs start much faster on iphone. Yes, they do!
3. The OS is much more stable for the moment. Plus, iphone comes with a stable version of a web browser, not with a beta version of Opera (which I like, but still it is beta!).
4. The iphone is really easy to use.
Cheers,
Eriol
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I think that brings it back to what WatskeBart said earlier about the iphone being a gadget not a power house phone. Don't get me wrong I have nothing against the iphone i think the hardware is excellent for a second try but there need to be some tweaking. They should open up the software and do like google did for andriod offer 10k for the best iphone progs.

Touch Pro 2

I was curious as to how many folks are planning on running out to buy the Touch Pro2 when their carrier releases it? I am pondering that question myself as the specs on it do not blow away the FUZE with the exception of the screen and speaker phone.
I am running RRE 6.5 v8.3 and love it but I am really interested in WM7. Having read about the upcoming release I am worried the TP2 will not be powered up enough to run WM7. It sounds like WM7 will require a snapdragon processor to run the UI.
What are your thoughts?

no, i had only just got the TP when the TP2 was announced, dont think my next phone will be HTC

i will most definately get it as soon as i can . i personnaly don't like the d-pad if there would be more screen space there . my fuze is only 6 months old and its rickety as a 80 year old man :[[[ it wobbles .
the speakerphone is a big thing for me i use it alot and don't want a bluetooth earpice so its really the only way to go . if they are gonna make wm 7 its going to run on the tp2 weather or not the specs say so lol . what did you read that lead you to that assertation?

I will be getting one as soon as I can. For me there is one main reason - screen size.

I LOVE the fact the HTC community and how they create roms and hacks... but the phone itself drives me crazy.
The main things that suck with the Touch Pro is the volume (not that loud), the design like said earlier... it creaks, and the touchpad and button layout (not the keyboard).
My next phone will need either Capacitive touchscreen with onscreen keyboard or a physical QWERTY (non sliding), a JOG WHEEL, Windows Mobile 6.5 or better, a decent Dpad. Also a standard screen size. Those 400x400 or funky screen res make gaming complicated. Standard VGA works for me.
The Samsung Jack looks awesome if they would just put Windows Mobile on it instead of the smartphone version. I have lots of apps that require a touchscreen. I liked the Epix but the lack of a jog wheel and a dpad made it useless. If it had WM6.5 for the Epix, it wouldn't be so bad since its more finger friendly.

player911 said:
I LOVE the fact the HTC community and how they create roms and hacks... but the phone itself drives me crazy.
The main things that suck with the Touch Pro is the volume (not that loud), the design like said earlier... it creaks, and the touchpad and button layout (not the keyboard).
My next phone will need either Capacitive touchscreen with onscreen keyboard or a physical QWERTY (non sliding), a JOG WHEEL, Windows Mobile 6.5 or better, a decent Dpad. Also a standard screen size. Those 400x400 or funky screen res make gaming complicated. Standard VGA works for me.
The Samsung Jack looks awesome if they would just put Windows Mobile on it instead of the smartphone version. I have lots of apps that require a touchscreen. I liked the Epix but the lack of a jog wheel and a dpad made it useless. If it had WM6.5 for the Epix, it wouldn't be so bad since its more finger friendly.
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well, i recently upgraded from the Samsung Blackjack II to the Touch Pro (almost a month with the new phone)
things i missed from the BJ II
- BJ II's speakers were stereo, and were loud and good... TP's one were soft
- Simpleness of WM 6.1 Smartphone... not as much customization, but the default settings worked out better IMO (TP's settings, i had to spend over a week to make something close to what i want, but BJII only took a day and i liked those settings)
- (above mentioned) LED notification... believe there were 7 different colors that i can use(LEDALerts) to notify me of anything(missed calls)... TP only has that flashing circle... NOT ENOUGH, you hear me HTC?
what i want from future HTC WM Phones
- 3.5mm jack (HTC said yes already, so good on this one)
- capacitive screen(TP1 has capacitive area... change this? WM7 might prove to be the right time to do this?)
- blinking LED notification
- hardware keylock... my Dell x51v has a hardware lock that disables all inputs... useful and worth it to add it in
- basic powerful speakers...stereo if possible
that saying, i won't buy the TP2, unless i can find some soul on CL/ebay/forums to trade with a TP2 for a TP1+$100(?)

paperWastage said:
what i want from future HTC WM Phones
- 3.5mm jack (HTC said yes already, so good on this one)
- capacitive screen(TP1 has capacitive area... change this? WM7 might prove to be the right time to do this?)
- blinking LED notification
- hardware keylock... my Dell x51v has a hardware lock that disables all inputs... useful and worth it to add it in
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Job one is voice qulaity on a cell phone so the list above but fix the sound quality. I think the phone voice quality is lacking the the Fuze; incoming is very low and tinny, outgoing I get complaints like muffled and talking in a pipe. The phone voice quality on my Blackberry Bold and prior blackberrys is very good.

I agree the voice quality is not that good with the Touch Pro. I usually use mine with a bluetooth headset so it is not so much of an issue. The TP2 is supposed to have great sound quality on the speakers but i am sure it won't be that much better if you talk into it directly.
I think it may not be WM7 eligible because I think the device will have to be able to support multi touch. I am thinking that as soon as TP2 comes out we will start to hear about TP3. HTC says they will have snapdragon phones launching in Q2 2010.

No improvement in voice quality, I'm going to pass for sure. I did read where the AT&T version will have a 3.5mm jack and someone had a photo of the Sprint version with the jack shown.
I'd really like the upgrade ability to WM7 but if the screen was better in the sunlight, improved voice quality and the 3.5mm jack, I'd probably buy it.

Latest and Greatest
I will not jump on one when they are first released but I do want one. I just always have to have the latest and greatest but I'm gonna wait a couple of quarters to see where the competition is at. LG and Ericsson are starting to go WM, so as more manufactures enter the market, perhaps better hardware will follow.

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Job one is voice qulaity on a cell phone so the list above but fix the sound quality. I think the phone voice quality is lacking the the Fuze; incoming is very low and tinny, outgoing I get complaints like muffled and talking in a pipe. The phone voice quality on my Blackberry Bold and prior blackberrys is very good.
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i usually have bluetooth or headsets..... don't really care that much about voice quality as at&t's quality - ..... i take my phone more as a multitasking device than a calling device...

Buying a new phone, need some suggestion and advice!!!!

Hi guys, so i've had a great run with my HTC Touch Pro, i've been using it for more than a year now but now I feel like it's just too slow and lacking a lot of stuff that i wanted. I've been around the scene long enough, and have tried out several custom roms already, and the only ROM that actually makes this phone run smoothly is the EnergyROM, but even so, it's still slow and laggy. The currenty EnergyRom i'm using is the March 31st 2010 build, so yes i'm very up to date.
I've installed tons of tweaks and apps on it (even pirated ones) and have pushed this phone to its limits, but i feel that it's just not very powerful and i'm losing my interest in it, so i decide to sell it and go for an upgrade.
To be honest, i don't think Windows Mobile is any good at all, so i'm trying not to go for any Windows Mobile device. I'm thinking of going for the Nokia N900 coz it's such a beast, and its multi-tasking is awesome, but the lack of apps for it just makes me think twice about getting it.
On the other hand, i kinda wanna go for an Android phone, but so far there aren't any Android phones with a slide-out keyboard (not that i know of), and i only want phones with a keyboard.
Please don't recommend me an iPhone either, i've owned one and hated it. I do have an iPod Touch and it's jailbroken so all the stuff i can do with an iPhone, i can do it on my iPod Touch, just without the phone capabilities.
Lastly, i'm kinda considering to go for the HTC Touch Pro 2, but then it's not so much of an upgrade coz it's got an older processor than the Touch Pro and just has a bigger screen. Is it actually smooth or fast?? And the battery life just sucks on these devices....I would appreciate more info from someone that has actually upgraded from the Touch Pro to the Touch Pro 2, coz it will be more accurate. I kinda hate the look of it though, it doesn't look as sexy as the Touch Pro...
so ya i dunno, can anyone recommend something?

Depends on what you are going to use your phone for!
But I personally did have an HTC Touch Pro and I did not like it very much! Mostly besouse of the lacking drivers!
My recommendation if you like nokia and Symbian, go for the Samsun Omnia HD i8910!
Why?
Becouse it is the best phone I have ever owned, it is just nothing else that can match this beast performance and hardware wise!
Not to mention the great 8 MP camera with 720p HD recording!
The built quality is just great, I have droped it several times "outside", and there is not a scratch on it!
It has no hardware keyboard, but the capacitive screen makes up for it very good!
Hope it helps!

branko.savic said:
Depends on what you are going to use your phone for!
But I personally did have an HTC Touch Pro and I did not like it very much! Mostly besouse of the lacking drivers!
My recommendation if you like nokia and Symbian, go for the Samsun Omnia HD i8910!
Why?
Becouse it is the best phone I have ever owned, it is just nothing else that can match this beast performance and hardware wise!
Not to mention the great 8 MP camera with 720p HD recording!
The built quality is just great, I have droped it several times "outside", and there is not a scratch on it!
It has no hardware keyboard, but the capacitive screen makes up for it very good!
Hope it helps!
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thanks for your reply. To be honest, i was also interested in the Samsung Omnia 2, i know that the Omnia runs very well, i can't remember exactly but it runs better than the Touch Pro and Touch Pro 2, i think it has a 300% higher performance gain? And maybe it runs or performs faster than the iPhone as well, i can't really remember.
But the thing is, i just don't like phones without any sort of keyboard or keypads.....i LOVE phones with keyboards, i can type super fast on it, but i just hate touch typing using soft keyboards......
that's why when i had my Google Nexus One, i gave it away for free after using it for about a week. Don't get me wrong, i love Google Android and Nexus One is a VERY VERY good phone, but i just don't like the feel of touch typing....i'm just not used to it.
That's why i don't wanna go for the Omnia or Omnia 2, or what you suggested, coz there's no keyboard.
I feel that the Nokia N900 is a good choice coz the multi-tasking is very smooth and fluid, and runs extremely well. I've seen tons of videos of it running tons of applications without lag, up to 35 in fact. And it has a keyboard so that suits me too.
I can't exactly describe it, but i want a phone that is first of all, very smooth and fast in performance. I don't want any sort of lags at all. Touch Pro lags quite a lot, it's slow to be honest, and Touch Pro 2 isn't much of an upgrade either. I want to be able to multi-task very easily, like switch between a game, to an app, to text messaging etc. If you watch the Nokia N900 videos, you'll know what i'm talking about, it's VERY SMOOTH.
But then again, i want the phones to have a rich community and fanbase supporting it, i.e have tons of apps and custom roms or tweaks development for it, just like XDA is for Windows Mobile, that's why i like this site a lot.
Nokia N900 is using the Maemo 5 operating system, and it's still very new so not much is developed for it, so i'm a little worried there. But it is very powerful as it can run OSX 10.1 (i can't remember exactly) and emulate several emulators already, as well as playing Starcraft etc on it, so it's a very powerful device.
But i just need more options and opinions....
oh and i don't really care about cameras or taking videos etc, i just care about the use of applications and multi-tasking, and just overall the software performance etc...

The n900 isn't very smooth at all at least when compared to the nexus one, HD2 or iPhone. It has got the best browsers though with full flash 10.1 support.
Another phone you might want to take into consideration is the Droid.

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The n900 isn't very smooth at all at least when compared to the nexus one, HD2 or iPhone. It has got the best browsers though with full flash 10.1 support.
Another phone you might want to take into consideration is the Droid.
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so performance wise, it's not smooth? That's odd because from what i've seen on the dozens of Youtube videos, it runs REALLY smooth, it's one of the few phones out there that can actually multi-task properly. The iPhone doesn't even have the multi-task functions (unless you jailbreak it and install the multi-task apps), and it'll only be officially getting it when the OS 4.0 comes out for it. But even then, only the newer GEN will be able to support multi-task, so it's not smooth at all because it's a pain in the ass to press the home screen all the time. Like i said, i've owned an iPhone before and jailbroke it myself, and with the tons of tweaks and apps i've installed, it made my life 10x better compared to other people with their un-jailbroken iPhones, but even still it's a pain in the ass to use it. I also have an iPod Touch so i'll just stick with that, so ya i just thinks iPhone sucks as a phone for multi-tasking, it's not smooth at all.
The Droid looks ugly so i never liked it.

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slide out keyboard how. normal slideout there are multiple variants, depending on gsm/cdma.
most affordable id say is the dream. goes for 100-150 on ebay. i bought one a few days ago, still waiting on the nurse to send it so i cant vouch how good it actually is.

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slide out keyboard how. normal slideout there are multiple variants, depending on gsm/cdma.
most affordable id say is the dream. goes for 100-150 on ebay. i bought one a few days ago, still waiting on the nurse to send it so i cant vouch how good it actually is.
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i'm not sure i understood what you meant in the first sentence. What i mean by slide-out keyboard is like the HTC Touch Pro, Touch Pro 2, Nokia N97, Nokia N900 etc.....that's what slideout keyboard is.
HTC Dream looks ugly and screen too small.

lg eve looks better than the dream, but the screen is only 3" and it's resistive screen. Also it's android 1.5.