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I can't post links yet. Just Google: iPhone tracking your location
This has already been posted once, but because it is a big deal I wanted to draw more attention to it. As most of the people on XDA run rooted phones and custom ROMs, I would like to know if our favorite ROM developers have happened upon anything "interesting" regarding location data baked into stock ROMs/AOSP ROMs/Cyanogen (God forbid), or any other suspicious behavior.
I don't want to see people freaking out, or pointless jokes about tin foil hats, I'm interested in a discussion regarding our Android devices and location data and the storage of that data.
We all know that Google tracks our searches and some location data in order to provide targeted advertising. This is fine, because I would much rather see an advertisement for a 2012 concept car or screenshots from TES:Skyrim instead of something Macy's or Vagisil related. I'm more concerned about unauthorized people gaining access to this data. If I need to get rid of my Droid X with Fission 2.5.7 to protect my younger siblings or my fiancée or my future child, I want to make that decision with HARD DATA to back it up.
~NDK
[EDIT: Mods may move this if necessary, but my question is really directed towards developers and their (much deeper) understanding of Android and how it operates.]
Lookout keeps me safe.
Androidboy35961 said:
Lookout keeps me safe.
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It may keep your phone safe, yes. Allowing Lookout to track my phone was convenient for a while, but I realized that in 4 years of smartphone ownership I had never lost my phone do to my invention of the ASSPAT. That's right, the Automated Self Search for Phone And Things. I do it every time I leave the house! Anyway, Lookout ended up being just another useless app that added nothing to my Android experience and subtracted battery life. (Although I saw minimal battery life change and actually liked that app.)
On topic, please ask your dev if they have ever happened upon anything suspicious in digging through the Android file structure.
Androidboy35961 said:
Lookout keeps me safe.
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really? how sure can you be abt that? you know that any app that has root rights can do practically anyth to your phone don't you?
Why Google removed it?
It was the only way for developers who don't have money to advertise or don't work for any big company to get a little bit of space to present their apps.
I believe a lot of quality apps will stay unrecognized because users will not be able to find them. I barely find my own app and I know exactly what I'm searching for.
I released my new app yesterday and even when I search for its name its not at the top of the search results. I don't really see how people would be able to discover it if you can't even find it when looking for it. They should bring the Just In section back ASAP
Boblert said:
I released my new app yesterday and even when I search for its name its not at the top of the search results. I don't really see how people would be able to discover it if you can't even find it when looking for it. They should bring the Just In section back ASAP
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I guess they more profit if we pay for advertising. Scumbags.
iskoric said:
I guess they more profit if we pay for advertising. Scumbags.
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+ trying to make up the difference between AppStore <-> PlayStore
Since theres been move coverage that the AppStore is still generating more money (especially for developers which makes it more attractive to prioriate the AppStore).
Alch
I think this is also to prevent spam. When the "just in" section was still there, some of my apps were updated ten times a week, just because the developer wanted to leave it's app there. I was spending more time updating them than using them.
Yeah, Nowdays $$$$$$$~!!
I am really confused... First off maybe I am using S voice wrong, but it sucks...Google Now.. so so. Now the original Google search works better than both of those and that's all I really need. Its far more accurate than SIRI and I dont need a phone to talk back to me anyway, I have a life.
Now is it me or was Google search removed?? Was it because of the Apple lawsuit? If so then why isn't it removed from all Androids? Wasn't it Google to first achieve the feature? I might be way off but that's why I am asking. Maybe someone can break it down for me thanks...
It hasn't been moved from the SGH-i535 (Verizon SG3) yet.
It no doubt will be removed in whatever OTA they send though, as it's been removed from the Sprint and AT&T versions. Yes, everybody has agreed Google had the feature before crApple, but they got a patent on searching the phone (contacts, apps, etc.) so it won't be corrected until Android 4.1 with whatever way they've worked around it.
I might add, you still will be able to search the web via the search box, just not your phone.
If we get an OTA that removes it, you can reinstall the google search apk (on a rooted device) and restore the feature.
This whole patent infringement thing is getting way out of control. Obviously Apple is scared because now that sales have been on the decline, we keep finding out of all kinds of new lawsuits. I'm ready for the video chat over data patent to come into play once iOS6 is released
I never saw it on my phone until I installed synergy... Maybe I am tripping. I am still really mad and I think I am starting to hate Apple with a passion. Why cant they just play fair? Google should have sued for SIRI. I never really minded iPhones but now I feel like breaking an iPhone!
You can use google search by finding it in the app drawer or by long pressing the menu button at the home screens.
it will not be removed by OTA, but the ability to search for things on your phone will be disabled(as bbeelzebub said earlier). It will then be a simple internet search.
As far as why it hasn't been removed from all androids, it is because Apple filed the lawsuit against samsung only, and not google. So the Samsung phones, including the galaxy nexus are getting that feature removed.
Oh I see... Well is this any true http://www.knowyourmobile.com/blog/...ved_universal_google_search_says_samsung.html ?
the story is true. because the universal search is only being removed on US variants because that is where Apple's patent is being protected. Other countries (including the UK, which is where this mistake was made) are still allowed to have the feature.
Anywhere to find the old apk? I got a replacement from Asurion and I can't search my phone now...
Seems Apple has decided making long term enemies with other companies and losing any potential customers affected by their actions is worth the short term sale.
To me, this is just them showing that Android has indeed made an impact and this is their only form of retaliation. Any little bit of me interested in getting an Apple product (computer, phone or otherwise) no matter how little interest I had in them is gone. I refuse to buy Apple for this.
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Josolanes said:
Seems Apple has decided making long term enemies with other companies and losing any potential customers affected by their actions is worth the short term sale.
To me, this is just them showing that Android has indeed made an impact and this is their only form of retaliation. Any little bit of me interested in getting an Apple product (computer, phone or otherwise) no matter how little interest I had in them is gone. I refuse to buy Apple for this.
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I didnt really hate iPhones before this. I just never found them as useful as Android. Now I wont ever endorse Apple in any way shape or form.
addictedhacks said:
I am really confused... First off maybe I am using S voice wrong, but it sucks...Google Now.. so so. Now the original Google search works better than both of those and that's all I really need. Its far more accurate than SIRI and I dont need a phone to talk back to me anyway, I have a life.
Now is it me or was Google search removed?? Was it because of the Apple lawsuit? If so then why isn't it removed from all Androids? Wasn't it Google to first achieve the feature? I might be way off but that's why I am asking. Maybe someone can break it down for me thanks...
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This is why I hate apple. They try to control every aspect of the mobile market by patenting every little thing on their devices and not allowing other companies to even use anything similar on their devices.
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So loving my note 3. I haven't rooted it yet or anything. As I want to see how the stock rom is for a month or so.
Something has been bugging me ever since I have started caring about my privacy and security. as every App I want to install wants to read my call log, control SMS's record conversations ect. when the app doesn't need to. for instance my favorite radio station. Thinks it needs the permission to know who I've called! What the hell for?
It's the reason I've begin to fall in love with Paranoid android ROM. I had it on my note 2. granted I couldn't use the S-pen at all as it didn't use touchwiz. but I found the ability to edit each apps security settings. worth the sacrifice!. (if anyone reads this. is there a way to put that into any ROM? the permissions editor?) I'd love to install it. but onto the pressing issue.
Samsung includes this magical service with the note 3 called Knox. now it's supposed to give you enterprise security.
When all it does. is constantly give me notifications that it's stopped certain programs from running.
when this morning I clicked the right button which too me to the permissions that Knox gets here they are
read phone status and identity
read, edit SMS's
full network access, ability to change network conns
retrieve running apps
prevent phone from sleeping
directly call phone numbers
Take pictures and video
Record audio
approximate location. Pinpoint location
Modify call contacts. read call log
add read or modify calendar events
read all web history, bookmarks ect
Modify or delete usb storage
Disable screen security
complete account control
Read dictionary terms
pair with any bluetooth
there is also lots of other non essential stuff. This is Freaking Alarming at the minimum. if no one is worried about this then its very sad! This screams NSA back door!
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This is Freaking Alarming at the minimum. if no one is worried about this then its very sad! This screams NSA back door!
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I know a couple of CIO's that are wetting themselves over KNOX and they (and the DOD, CIA, and NSA for internal use) are the primary audiences. I'd like to assume that people in charge of protecting corporate data are smart enough to investigate the tools they are using to do that pretty thoroughly. My assumption is that the boatload of permissions KNOX requires are all tied to administering, monitoring, protecting, archiving, and deleting data off of devices being policed with MDM. Based on Huawei and Lenovo being cut out of acquisition opportunities and lucrative Western networking contracts because of their ties to the Chinese and "spying" I'd say the quickest way for Samsung to put themselves out of business and take Korea with them is to do what you're suggesting.
The KNOX is truly crap!
I had disable all KNOX after ROOT.
Samsung doing this KNOX thingy is full to crap! extremely useless!
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It's the reason I've begin to fall in love with Paranoid android ROM. I had it on my note 2. granted I couldn't use the S-pen at all as it didn't use touchwiz. but I found the ability to edit each apps security settings. worth the sacrifice!. (if anyone reads this. is there a way to put that into any ROM? the permissions editor?) I'd love to install it. but onto the pressing issue.
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You can do this now with an unrooted Note 3. It's a sort of hidden feature of Android 4.3, but you just need access to an 'activity' called App Ops. There is a handy app in the Play store that creates this link for you:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.appaholics.applauncher
Knox is also a device administrator and to work correctly it needs pretty much all permissions.
That's normal.
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You can do this now with an unrooted Note 3. It's a sort of hidden feature of Android 4.3, but you just need access to an 'activity' called App Ops. There is a handy app in the Play store that creates this link for you:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.appaholics.applauncher
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Thanks. I got it. and started using it can't wait till paranoid brings out a good ROM. or something with full S pen funtionality. and then just install this on Thanks Once again
All this knox talk is funny. What are you really scared of?
NSA? No problem unless you're trying to hide something you should not be doing. If they want to see my search history or see my pics and read my emails, then go for it.
I just simply rooted and removed Knox, lots written about it - the secret agenda is nonsense.
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here is also lots of other non essential stuff. This is Freaking Alarming at the minimum. if no one is worried about this then its very sad! This screams NSA back door!
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Of course Knox needs all these permissions - it is, essentially, a virtualised phone OS within a real phone OS.
Without those permissions, it simply wouldn't work!
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Dave
There is always this conspiracy theory :laugh:
Ppl need to cool down and chill.
foxmeister said:
Of course Knox needs all these permissions - it is, essentially, a virtualised phone OS within a real phone OS.
Without those permissions, it simply wouldn't work!
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Dave
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There's no question KNOX is a nightmare for enthusiasts. But enthusiasts make up 5% of the market. XDA being the biggest enthusiast site on the web has 5M members; Samsung will sell 250M smart devices this year. The corporate market is probably 25-30% of annual smartphone sales. That's who KNOX is for and so far it's been extremely well received. I know of one company that's issued a mandate that all employees must use Samsung phones equipped with KNOX whether supplied by the company or via BYOD. If that happens enough Samsung's hit a home run with KNOX even if all 5M XDA members buy other phones. KNOX has been so successful LG's doing something similar.
http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/01/lg-gate-enterprise-security/
So ladies and gentlemen, KNOX and its ilk are here to stay.
weedahoe said:
All this knox talk is funny. What are you really scared of?
NSA? No problem unless you're trying to hide something you should not be doing. If they want to see my search history or see my pics and read my emails, then go for it.
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Your mentality sucks. Surely i can expect some kind of privacy on a personal device. Wether im doing something i shouldnt be or not.
BarryH_GEG - is completely right its aimed at Corp users and its very useful. - those that slag it off has no idea what it is and what its used for.
KNOX - is Samsung's version SELinux, since its now standard in Linux Kernel, all variations of Linux will have this feature and Andriod is an variation of Linux.
So if you dont like SELinux you better switch from Andriod smartphones as this will be standard soon no matter which OEM you choose.
weedahoe said:
All this knox talk is funny. What are you really scared of?
NSA? No problem unless you're trying to hide something you should not be doing. If they want to see my search history or see my pics and read my emails, then go for it.
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Putting KNOX aside, I want to understand your perspective on privacy.
Here's my perspective:
I have nothing to hide nor am I working in politics.
But with this backdoor technology, it IS a serious concern for journalists and honest politicians running against the current corrupted elite establishment.
Who (in the sex obsessed American public eye) will take their cause seriously after the establishment (with the help of NSA DB) releases a phone-sex tape or pictures of drunken high school pics?
In 2008, NSA workers told ABC News that they routinely eavesdropped on phone sex between troops serving overseas and their loved ones in America.
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Who's to be the honest watchdog of the establishment if all journalists can be blackmailed with their personal info before they release their reports of establishment corruption?
This is not about something to HIDE.
It's about freedom and democracy.
Do you want your children to inherent a world where they can MAKE A DIFFERENCE or one where THEY CAN NOT??
You do know that Samsung is a Korean company - and a strongly nationalist one to the extent of a General Electric or. General Motors - right?
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You do know that Samsung is a Korean company - and a strongly nationalist one to the extent of a General Electric or. General Motors - right?
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What does that have to do with whether it will comply with the laws in the country it wants to do business in?
Google a US COMPANY had to comply and censor results in many countries at the request of the foreign gov.
Twitter had to censor the posts of Arab Spring supporters at the request of their govs
BlackBerry a CANADIAN COMPANY had been pressured into releasing encryption keys to the Indian gov to spy on comms.
Samsung wants to do business in your country, does it not?
weedahoe said:
All this knox talk is funny. What are you really scared of?
NSA? No problem unless you're trying to hide something you should not be doing. If they want to see my search history or see my pics and read my emails, then go for it.
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Agreed........... I deliberately take regular photos of my untrimmed white bits just for them.... :laugh:
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Your mentality sucks. Surely i can expect some kind of privacy on a personal device. Wether im doing something i shouldnt be or not.
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You better get off the internet now and any social site you might have ever been on. Lots of engines index everything you put out there so even though you think you delete it, its still there......somewhere
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I want to understand your perspective on privacy.
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Anyone here's perspective on privacy really doesn't belong on XDA. It's one thing to talk about the impact of KNOX on device development, how to use (or not use) its functionality, and what its impact is to privacy and another to have general privacy discussions that belong on Reddit.
OP's question was asked and answered. KNOX's sweeping permissions are required for it to function. If people feel that KNOX could impact their privacy disable it or send Samsung a message by not buying their products. Just like Samsung's reaction to the negative coverage of Region Lock was to ignore it you can pretty much assume that'll be their position on KNOX too. I use KNOX so if there's some sort of nefarious activity it performs or my data gets compromised I'll report back. That's assuming I'm not captured by the CIA and renditioned to a foreign country and water boarded.
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But with this backdoor technology, it IS a serious concern for journalists and honest politicians running against the current corrupted elite establishment.
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What backdoor technology? KNOX?
Unless you are running your own version of a mobile OS, compiled from source and having reviewed all the code to remove any backdoors, you are potentially vulnerable to all sorts of backdoors that Google, Samsung, HTC, Microsoft, Apple, or any other company may have inserted the ROM build you are running. KNOX changes none of this.
Privacy is an illusion, and always has been!
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Dave
Hello, I am on the official rom. Since rooting Google pay and Samsung pass stopped working, I tried everything. Is there a ROM that could fix Samsung apps (they're nice for biometrics in banking apps)? Also Google pay isn't working which is a pain and a half.
Knox and it's evil micro efuse are at the core firmware/hardware level of these devices. It's a tough order to bypass them.
Some have gotten at least some of the functionality back. Some solutions used for specific apps or on older models may be helpful to you.
Try multiple google searches with XDA in the search parameters.
I tried googling but no luck
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I tried googling but no luck
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There are multiple threads about it here on XDA.
I run across them from time to time. I'm not rooted so they are only a curiosity to me.
Google search is probably the most effective way to find things on XDA. " your search, XDA" usually does the trick. Try different search words and phrases, keep it simple.
what should I try? Knox fix xda?
MisiekM said:
what should I try? Knox fix xda?
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The specific app you're trying to fix, maybe rooted banking app fix. If I stumble across one of those threads I'll post a link. Hopefully someone else here will too.
Lol, you knew the job was dangerous when you took it. At least you're not staring at the blacktop/water from 30+ feet up
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The specific app you're trying to fix, maybe rooted banking app fix. If I stumble across one of those threads I'll post a link. Hopefully someone else here will too.
Lol, you knew the job was dangerous when you took it. At least you're not staring at the blacktop/water from 30+ feet up
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Yeah I knew it, I am only having issues with Samsung pass and Google pay
Rooted With Working Samsung Pay
Is this even possible?
forum.xda-developers.com
from what I understand googel pay gives no buyer protection for anything for any reason with the exception for a very short time refund on apps purchased because it benifts them to lure people into using their payment for apps, but why would anyone be concerned or want to use this over any other cash app?
I don't know about spam pay although I would guess they are the same kinda people. I would root just to rid my phone if these soulless (if that's a word lol) corporations money apps