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Found this interesting Article on Fudzilla regarding how Android could be killed off by the suppliers of the phones. Figured I would share
http://www.fudzilla.com/mobiles/item/21611-android-could-be-killed-off-by-suppliers
Nice read but those publishers are idiots. The only way android will be killed of is if apple takes over the world and burns down google
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I pretty much summed up the article that if, Google doesn't take tighter control of how the suppliers are updating the phones, and if Google themselves do not ease up on releasing updates, then it might drive people away from Android phones due to the lack of support.
Twoddle.
At last report (that I know of), 300,000 people a day were activating new Android phones. I'm gonna guess here, but I reckon about 90% of those people don't give a monkeys about updated ROMs and new features. They don't understand enough about their phones to care. (Not an insult - just a statement.)
They'll keep their phone for the next 12/18/24 months and then get a nice new shiny one with the same OS cos it'll remember their contacts and they can download the same apps again.
Anyone that's in the other 10% know exactly how to modify the phone to suit their needs, and will only buy another phone because of the hardware. They know full well they can put whatever OS and apps on there they want.
For every bunch of people that leave Android to go iPhone, there'll be an equally sized bunch of people that leave iPhone to go Android. Change the OS names in that last sentence for other OSs to complete the story.
Analysts don't know squat. They're paid to make predictions that are less founded in reality than astrology. Besides, you can't be an analyst without anal.
Well said and very true
johncmolyneux said:
Twoddle.
At last report (that I know of), 300,000 people a day were activating new Android phones. I'm gonna guess here, but I reckon about 90% of those people don't give a monkeys about updated ROMs and new features. They don't understand enough about their phones to care. (Not an insult - just a statement.)
They'll keep their phone for the next 12/18/24 months and then get a nice new shiny one with the same OS cos it'll remember their contacts and they can download the same apps again.
Anyone that's in the other 10% know exactly how to modify the phone to suit their needs, and will only buy another phone because of the hardware. They know full well they can put whatever OS and apps on there they want.
For every bunch of people that leave Android to go iPhone, there'll be an equally sized bunch of people that leave iPhone to go Android. Change the OS names in that last sentence for other OSs to complete the story.
Analysts don't know squat. They're paid to make predictions that are less founded in reality than astrology. Besides, you can't be an analyst without anal.
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A majority of customers don't care about updating the firmware of the phone. If it works, they won't complain. If it doesn't work, they'll bring it back for a warranty repair or simply get a new phone.
johncmolyneux said:
Twoddle.
At last report (that I know of), 300,000 people a day were activating new Android phones. I'm gonna guess here, but I reckon about 90% of those people don't give a monkeys about updated ROMs and new features. They don't understand enough about their phones to care. (Not an insult - just a statement.)
They'll keep their phone for the next 12/18/24 months and then get a nice new shiny one with the same OS cos it'll remember their contacts and they can download the same apps again.
Anyone that's in the other 10% know exactly how to modify the phone to suit their needs, and will only buy another phone because of the hardware. They know full well they can put whatever OS and apps on there they want.
For every bunch of people that leave Android to go iPhone, there'll be an equally sized bunch of people that leave iPhone to go Android. Change the OS names in that last sentence for other OSs to complete the story.
Analysts don't know squat. They're paid to make predictions that are less founded in reality than astrology. Besides, you can't be an analyst without anal.
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Absolutely right.
On the other hand, i'm right outside that 10% bunch, but i'm just 17 and if i **** up my phone it won't be so good for me. I rooted, but i guess i am dumb enough not to know terminals and flashing and pushing stuff here and there
Anyhow- Android won't be killed. That's like when they said Linux was to be killed off in the early 2000's because Windows machines were supplied with an X amount of memory (about a 100mb extra than those running a distro)
Won't happen I mean come on what you think is the alternative? They want to pay the license? What happens if upgrade comes? who you think will pick up RIM? lol they are dead who else iOS? Sorry thats for iPanzy and who use that come on now, only other alternative is WM.
Also who wants to fight big Google? You think they will let it go easy? They can buy the ****ing company out and change the decision if they cared to just to send single message. Also then you have the user who can and is doing what they want hence you are on XDA? F the carrier support thats like saying you are bound to software hence your PC?
But the biggest problem with mobile world is the hardware which is not actually openly shared as opposed to computing world, where one can actually code the driver for support. BTW voddles your last sentence didn't make sense what so ever take it from someone who been using Slackware since it was created.
I for myself isn't that impressed of Android anymore.
Having used an X10 Mini since May 2010 (now 2.1 and some extra updates)
Wanted the Mini for the Android Hype, Spotify music streaming and smallness.
Love the phone still but getting more and more angered of lack of decent software/apps
Hate all the Android keyboards(not because of it's tiny on a 2.6" screen) but the lack of arrow keys and stupidity behavior (like unable to mark text and enter new).
Search function is limited too (In Market and others) It's impossible to editing an old search, you have to enter everything again.
Also getting more and more irritated on the Google in general.
Wanna have a new non Win, IOS, Bada, Android or Nokia stuff. Phone OS. Now.
Will not follow your guys inte 2.2 or 2.3
Journalism just seems to go down the toilet in the highly competitive virtual world of the internet.
"While HTC appears to be ahead of the game at getting new updates to uses, some outfits, particularly Motorola are developing a jolly bad name for themselves. You could upgrade yourself but he problem is getting your paws on unlocked boot loaders. Motorola's upcoming phones have locked bootloaders."
Locked bootloaders have nothing to do with official updates.
"However it looks to us like Google is going to need to put its foot down fast before the suppliers start killing off its operating system. The last thing people want is to get an Android phone and find it can't do something that has been advertised because some phone maker could not be bothered upgrading."
Put its foot down on a free OS? Ads go out advertising that all Android phones support roms? That all Android phone are upgradeable to the latest, greatest Android OS?
The whole article looks to be written by someone attempting to be sensational but really has no clue.
I remember when Android was new and you had all these manufacturers "skinning" Android. I was worried that a user may confuse a skin with the primary OS and incorrectly give credit or blame to that skin. People seem to love Sense UI and hate Motoblur. You impression of Android could vary depending on if you used an HTC vs a Motorola. That clearly did not happen.
Blåburk said:
I for myself isn't that impressed of Android anymore.
Having used an X10 Mini since May 2010 (now 2.1 and some extra updates)
Wanted the Mini for the Android Hype, Spotify music streaming and smallness.
Love the phone still but getting more and more angered of lack of decent software/apps
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'Lack of decent apps'?
Know why there seems to be a lack here?
You live in Sweden.
Last.fm doesn't work, Goggles doesn't work, Quickoffice doesn't work, trillian is probably locked out too...
Why didn't you get a netbook anyway?
Mine cost the same as the x10 mini did in May 2010.
Hate all the Android keyboards(not because of it's tiny on a 2.6" screen) but the lack of arrow keys and stupidity behavior (like unable to mark text and enter new).
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If that's what you wanted when you got the phone, why didn't you turn it in right away?
Yeah, they have arrow keys - on the ones with a sliding keyboard. Idiot.
Also getting more and more irritated on the Google in general.
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'The Google'? What does Google have to do with your Sony Ericsson phone?
Never gonna happen.
ksizzle9 said:
Nice read but those publishers are idiots. The only way android will be killed of is if apple takes over the world and burns down google
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Everything said here is somewhat true and somewhat false. We all have our opinions, we all have different expectations from our phones...
What i don't understand is, and i say this from a developer perspective, why would any mobile device manufacturer, like Sony, lock out their devices? Same goes for Apple etc etc
I mean, i think far more ppl would actually buy their products if they know that they have a open device and that it can run on all carriers. I mean, i actually bought my 1st iPhone just because of the fact that someone made an unlock tool so u could use it outside of AT&T networks...
As for the OS side, Android wont die ofc, and i believe its a good thing that Google publishes updates to it so fast. This means they are really dedicated to the project and that they really care for developers so they can make much better apps, with more features and capabilities.
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'Lack of decent apps'?
Know why there seems to be a lack here?
You live in Sweden.
Last.fm doesn't work, Goggles doesn't work, Quickoffice doesn't work, trillian is probably locked out too...
Why didn't you get a netbook anyway?
Mine cost the same as the x10 mini did in May 2010.
If that's what you wanted when you got the phone, why didn't you turn it in right away?
Yeah, they have arrow keys - on the ones with a sliding keyboard. Idiot.
'The Google'? What does Google have to do with your Sony Ericsson phone?
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Thanks for sharing your IQ level with the world, hopes you will be able to eat with a spoon sometimes in the future.
Just one remark a phone made by SE but using the Google Android do have a somethings with the Google to do, doesn't it.
The rest of what you wrote is not worth comments.
Sorry for upsetting you
When do you think an android OS for desktops will be created?
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Thanks for sharing your IQ level with the world, hopes you will be able to eat with a spoon sometimes in the future.
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LOL now thats comedy.
I have to somewhat agree with you about the virtual keyboard. Now coming from HD2 which has the best stock keyboard I have ever seen. The arrow key and able to select via drag is best when you typing but on AOSP the whole idea is retarded. I can still type every fast but not fast as I once was on HD2 then again where is that whole 4.3" out there.
Nice read but those publishers are idiots.
I personally am always going to be sticking with HTC. They usually update most of there phones and even if they dont someone will have rooted it and just made a <insert android version here> rom. Plus even if no one can root it i still love Htc Sense and it looks 100x better than Motoblur or whatever Sony uses.
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Thanks for sharing your IQ level with the world, hopes you will be able to eat with a spoon sometimes in the future.
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Now now children... please lighten up, much more important things in this world to be getting upset or to "fight" over... honestly...
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so true.....only 10% of peopel like us know what we really want to do with our phones....
Do you think anyone can develope a program to prevent google from capturing this information about their users? Maybe at least on a android based platform even. This really chaps my a$$
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/google-tracks-consumers-across-products-users-cant-opt-out/2012/01/24/gIQArgJHOQ_story.html?wpisrc=al_comboNE_b
Whats the big deal? Google cuts down on paperwork and the policies haven't changed, they are just merged/ It eliminated redundancies and wasted effort.
what difference does it make if you are giving your personal information to Gmail or to youtube? If google has it, Google has it, period. It is still a Google based service, combining the private policies of all of the services into one makes perfect sense.
Google has stated they still have no plans to change how they handle the data.
The big deal is I NEVER CLICK YES for gooble to collect anything on me, which means I "opt-out" now I have a contract on a phone I dont want to touch. great, a 700$ paperweight , not including the service. screw you google.
I will not tap "yes" for google
Are you sure that they are 700 $?
Rage! An ad/marketing company makes my OS and wants to show me ads relevant to me rather than random ads. A company wants to make money off of a product they've created and are heavily vested in? Who'd have thunk it?
Don't like it? There's other choices out there. WP7 is pretty hot ;-)
z33dev33l said:
Rage! An ad/marketing company makes my OS and wants to show me ads relevant to me rather than random ads. A company wants to make money off of a product they've created and are heavily vested in? Who'd have thunk it?
Don't like it? There's other choices out there. WP7 is pretty hot ;-)
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Wait til wp7 phones get ads lol
Have to say though to op its not like google are pushing ads to your device. If you browse net you get same problem. I think they have messed up somewhere cos on my laptop I always get ads for things I already have. But I don't get ads on my phone unless on a webpage or using an ad funded app so no different to a pc or any internet device.
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mistermentality said:
Wait til wp7 phones get ads lol
Have to say though to op its not like google are pushing ads to your device. If you browse net you get same problem. I think they have messed up somewhere cos on my laptop I always get ads for things I already have. But I don't get ads on my phone unless on a webpage or using an ad funded app so no different to a pc or any internet device.
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Microsoft is a software company, Google is a marketing company.
z33dev33l said:
Microsoft is a software company, Google is a marketing company.
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Hence the lol
But the point is google aren't sending ads any different than on a pc. Whatever phone pc or tablet people use makes no difference, google and others can and do still collect data when you browse.
And some collect other data even when you opt out such as wp7 collecting user data that caused them to get sued last year. Its impossible to have a smartphone and not have someone collect data of some sort.
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mistermentality said:
Hence the lol
But the point is google aren't sending ads any different than on a pc. Whatever phone pc or tablet people use makes no difference, google and others can and do still collect data when you browse.
Dave
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I am not fond of google. I use Bing and have visited YouTube maybe 3 times this year. That said, Bing does the same thing to me.
Well **** that.. i am going back to Symbian s60v3... At least i wont have the damn adds
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Xxul said:
Well **** that.. i am going back to Symbian s60v3... At least i wont have the damn adds
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Lmao.
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z33dev33l said:
I use Bing...Bing does the same thing to me.
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Bing probably does other things that would scare the hell out of you if you were aware of them. Google is nosy. M$ is evil.
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Crashdamage said:
Bing probably does other things that would scare the hell out of you if you were aware of them. Google is nosy. M$ is evil.
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Color me intrigued, what makes Microsoft more evil than google?
What would be the best way to avoid this?
a problem I could see is if like, I have my son over on a weekend and he jumps on...idk, nickelodeon. com or something, will it show ads for all the porn sites I visit?
I sure as hell wouldn't want him reporting that to his mother and even possibly the appropriate authorities...
just curious but in what way is this different, if not dramatically worse, than everything CarrierIQ was accused of a few months back.
I wonder if this will affect things like StartPage which bills itself as being completely private but is "enhanced by Google"
This is why I have dead email addresses. I've got one for Gmail just for my phone. Never use it for anything else. Just the phone.
Don't Be Evil, just make lots and lots of money.
The real problem is the internet. There are always the spammers that get a kick out of just breaking someone else's things, and that's why almost all websites log things. It also creates privacy concerns for those trying to follow the rules. So if it bothers you so much that Google knows you search for a laptop, and it suggests that there is a better, cheaper one, next time you use gmail, then you have problems. I personally love this, now when I go between Google services, I don't have to log in again. Google provides you with great services for free, why not give them the ability to advertise to you? The world is dangerous, get over it.
Or you could do the most practical thing, ad block. Its on Firefox and chrome, so that should cover almost everybody. If your stuck with ie, well, god help you.
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dead78 said:
just curious but in what way is this different, if not dramatically worse, than everything CarrierIQ was accused of a few months back.
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Carrier IQ records keystrokes, text messages and other private stuff Google does not. And without even telling anyone it was there.
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nazsa said:
The big deal is I NEVER CLICK YES
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You agreed to their terms of service. As has been pointed out, the information is used so they can show ads that pertain to you specifically. I view this as a good thing.
If you don't want a company to know your browsing and purchasing habits, you should buy a cabin in the woods and live off the grid, no electronics, no grocery stores, completely self sufficient.
Good luck!
1st off, My house is an android powered house and I love the platform. It is only after months of being around my girlfriend and her family as they used android, that I started to really put a finer point on why so many people prefer other OS's (yes i understand Android is grabbing up market share like crazy). this is my thoughts after watching people I know use and leave android, use and struggle with android, and use and love android.
1st off, a list of the things that aren't google fault per say, but pit falls due to there lack of control over the final product.
#1) battery life. Due to varying hardware design and the freedom to do as you please to the OS, manufactures have made some phones with really bad battery life. this coupled with the constant updating a android device can do for any apps and the increase in popularity of cloud service, android ends up with wildly varying battery life from device to device.
#2) Consistency. If someone had a Verizon "droid", they could be using a Sense UI, a moto blur UI, or vanilla android. That's just in that one "brand of phone" alone. People dont adapt well to tech if they aren't big tech fans.
#3 quality of hardware, and I'm not talking about specs. Most consumers only judge the internals on how smooth the final product is. No, I'm talking about, build materials and the screen. There is some junk out there (allot of them have great internals). some of these phones are built like toys with race car parts inside them.
Now for where google is falling short.
#1 marketing. This is amazing to me that an Advertising company would fall short here but they do. Google ads focus on strange things like the ability to unlock your bootloader. Most people have no idea what this means and why they should care. They probably shouldn't care since they will never hack there phones.
also, every time Apple comes out with an "I" product ad, they are doing a real good job of showing how there "new feature" will make your life more fun and allot easier. The funny thing is, they are almost always features that android already had.
This is one of the things I really started to notice as I was surrounded by the non tech savvy android users. I would say, "funny, android already does that, has for a while now". My girlfriend would then ask, "does my phone do that?". Wow Google, you should be the master and telling people about all the selling points of your product.
#2 ease of use. This one may also be an issue with the carriers but I am going to put it in this section. One of the things I again noticed as I helped my girlfriend master here Nexus S 4G was, weird quirks that are not even a stumbling block to a Tech savvy user but almost a deal breaker to the average consumer.
Example: when my girlfriend 1st got here nexus, she hated it, couldn't believe I recommended it. One of her issues that stuck in my mind was the SMS limit. She hated that the SMS would cap her before she was done texing a message. She didnt care if it sent as two messages but she wanted to be able to type one continues message and then send it, letting the software sort it out. So I said, no problem, my phone doesn't do that (galaxy nexus) so there must be a deep setting to control this. As it turns out there wasn't, at least I couldn't find it. So again, I said no problem and down loaded handsent witch fixed the problem and she loved the easy theming. Well along came here ICS update that I had been raving about and her phone started crashing. Turns out handsent was the reason. Again, I said, no problem and downloaded Go SMS witch she loves even more.
That's just one example, in the mean time, 4 people in her family have switched from android to I Phones and don't regret it. I feel that one of them was mainly due to the hardware they chose and the rest is because they didn't have the live in tech help that my girlfriend has ( don't mean that to sound arrogant). My girlfriend loves her phone partly because I fix each issue as it arises and inform her of cool features.
Conclusion: I really think that the the lack of consistency is the other side of the open source double edged sword. this shows it self in software and hardware. It can be as small as the order in witch the bottom buttons appear, and as big as the Sense UI that changes everything a little bit. I also feel that no one besides Verizon in the early days, is really advertising Android well. Even Verizon doesn't do as good of a job showing you how much the phones can do and why you should want these features as Apple does.
Oddly I aggree with most of that, esp the marketing, you know I just found out just how good google voice was the other day... I have had android phones now for 3 years... Lol.
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funny you should bring up google voice. That was one of the things that I was thinking about when it comes to advertising short comings. It has been a great feature and a solid performer and now with Jellybean, it has every function of Siri, with the performance level I have come to expect from Google voice.
google needs to talk about it in plain English with every day examples of implementation
All of those faults/cons/criticisms can be attributed to just about any device/thing/object/concept that endorses an open-ended nature. The one off the top of my head that fits the OP's bill nearly word for word is Windows (technically Windows is closed-source). The Playstation 3 is a similar concept too. It's got all the nice bells and tech but its advertising sucks.
Google doesn't need to do any advertising, but rather the respective manufacturers. They're the ones that should be selling what Android does for their phones and why people should choose their phones over the others. If there are feature discrepancies from one phone to the other, the manufacturers should work to get those features implemented, that's the real strength of open-source software. It helps a lot if a manufacturer works together with their modding community to make it happen, which in turns makes your product/device more competitive and play on that.
Google caters to the developers because that's what Google is: a developer. That's why Google has their own line of phones: Nexus. Their phones are catered to the developers and well...us XDA'ers. They do a good job at advertising where it matters: recent one being their own conference just a week ago. If it reassures the OP: the rumor that Google plans to expand the Nexus line to more manufacturers is a good thing for us XDAers and friends of XDAers.
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All of those faults/cons/criticisms can be attributed to just about any device/thing/object/concept that endorses an open-ended nature. The one off the top of my head that fits the OP's bill nearly word for word is Windows (technically Windows is closed-source). The Playstation 3 is a similar concept too. It's got all the nice bells and tech but its advertising sucks.
Google doesn't need to do any advertising, but rather the respective manufacturers. They're the ones that should be selling what Android does for their phones and why people should choose their phones over the others. If there are feature discrepancies from one phone to the other, the manufacturers should work to get those features implemented, that's the real strength of open-source software. It helps a lot if a manufacturer works together with their modding community to make it happen, which in turns makes your product/device more competitive and play on that.
Google caters to the developers because that's what Google is: a developer. That's why Google has their own line of phones: Nexus. Their phones are catered to the developers and well...us XDA'ers. They do a good job at advertising where it matters: recent one being their own conference just a week ago.
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1st off, other companies doing it too, its not a reason to ignore said issue. Also, windows is taking steps to correct the hardware issue and make there OS consistent (for example)
If you think google doesn't "have to" advertise, I guess your right but even companies like 3M who sells many products to OEM's that then sell to the end user (like google) advertise to further there brand and promote the use of there products by OEM's. Also, 3M knows more about the products than any one OEM that uses there products, not to mention, the OEM's that use 3M consider 3M to be one of the reasons there product is good, and will not focus on key points of the 3M element.
Also, look at gorilla glass from corning, another product that isn't sold direct to the end user. They do there own advertising to promote there product and increase brand recognition to better sell there product.
I also disagree that google is a developer selling to developers only. Google nexus 7 is a perfect example of that. The nexus 7 tab is meant to further the "play store" brand, and is being sold at a vary low price point in the hopes that play store sales will make up for it just like the Kindle. I also don't think the Galaxy Nexus is a "developer device" at least, not exclusively.
So does google have to, no. Should they want to, yes.
What would you have Google advertise about that other companies should be doing in their stead? Google has brand recognition already and it's pretty clear by Google I/O that their intended audience isn't the Apple crowd: so who else would there be to advertise to? If the Apple crowd is whom you're referring to: that should be Samsung, HTC, Sony's job to do. What can Google do to help those manufacturers sell their features to the consumer that those companies aren't already doing themselves?
This is where we are going to disagree. Google has brand recognition but Android has far less. Verizon, did the best job and now the "droid" brand has more recognition than "android", many times "droid" is used and the general brand for all android by consumers. I don't think Google should depend on hardware companies to advertise there product. Even windows advertises there software. The OEM's should ALSO advertise but not ONLY advertise.
Advertising that the Galaxy nexus has a "unlockable" boot loader is un needed and doesnt further the brand. 98% of the people who want a unlocked boot loader, knew the galaxy nexus had one before the ad hit the streets.
The fact that apple fans are oviusly not googles target market is or should be false (proven by samsung). Google should be polishing there OS so that more of apple users would be interested. Google will not be able to continue on for ever just appealing to a small market such as the XDA community. OEM's will abandon them if that was the case. Look at the OEM's and there behavior, they are not interested in selling phones to the developer community only, otherwise Motorola would not lock there phones down as they did, or at least they would offer developers unlock tools like HTC has done. HTC is a little more "developer marketed" but lets be real, they still drag there feet when ever they can or feel pressure from the big 3.
That leads me to the Carrier's, they do not want to sell phones marketed to developers that are easily hacked and modded. they want control. Google should want to sell the most units they can within reason. This means helping the developer community with there goals and helping the OEM's and Carrier's with there's. Google should be (and I think they are) trying to make android more marketable to the masses and then lead that marketing campaign by example.
Its like that old saying, "alone with your principles". You can stand here and say that the OEM's should do all the advertising but it doesn't change the fact that they aren't doing what needs to be done and google need to sell product that is dependent on the platform. They are an advertising company so do they sit back and hope HTC and Samsung start talking more about there product and doing more to show how it will improve our lives or should they step in and show the OEM's how its done, at the same time increasing the value of there products
I think a lot of your issues are going to be solved for the mainstream with more Nexus devices rolling out. The other great thing is that as more people start looking at Nexus flexibility and timely updates the more other OEMs will be forced to follow suit if they want to stay viable. It seems Sony and to some extent HTC and Samsung are pretty serious about both the hardware and update side of things so anyone else will just have to play catch-up.
As a whole though some of these things will continue to persist. One of the draws of Android devices is having smartphone abilities without ridiculous cost. There will always be people who want the goodies but don't have a lot of extra funds and those devices will simply be a little behind the curve. With the optimizations coming via Jellybean though OEMs won't have the excuse of claiming that newer versions are too complex for older phones and I would hope that they continue to push updates for a reasonable period.
Stupid post. Why? Because you have no clue what android is. Android is an open source operating system. OEM's take android, and just so you know, they don't need google's consent, and manipulate it the way they want to put on their hardware. Google has no say in what they do to it, how they arrange their buttons, or the UI that they add to it. So your post is more directed at OEM's than google.
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Stupid post. Why? Because you have no clue what android is. Android is an open source operating system. OEM's take android, and just so you know, they don't need google's consent, and manipulate it the way they want to put on their hardware. Google has no say in what they do to it, how they arrange their buttons, or the UI that they add to it. So your post is more directed at OEM's than google.
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if you read my post you would have seen I acknowledge that some of these issues are a side effect of open source. They do in fact charge for the "gaps" suite. all hardware sold with gaps on it has paid licensing to Google.
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if you read my post you would have seen I acknowledge that some of these issues are a side effect of open source. They do in fact charge for the "gaps" suite. all hardware sold with gaps on it has paid licensing to Google.
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So? Google gets no say in how they manipulate the OS. I mean seriously...battery life? How the f*** could that be a google issue?
I spesificly said that wasn't Google's fault, but a short coming of open source
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I spesificly said that wasn't Google's fault, but a short coming of open source
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Sounds like you need an Iphone..
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So I have to love it and ignore any and all short coming or be crusified? Ok sounds like a page from apple fanboyism
here, since you will not read the whole thing before commenting, i will post the part you seemed to miss
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1st off, a list of the things that aren't google fault per say, but pit falls due to there lack of control over the final product.
#1) battery life.
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1st off, My house is an android powered house and I love the platform. It is only after months of being around my girlfriend and her family as they used android, that I started to really put a finer point on why so many people prefer other OS's (yes i understand Android is grabbing up market share like crazy). this is my thoughts after watching people I know use and leave android, use and struggle with android, and use and love android.
1st off, a list of the things that aren't google fault per say, but pit falls due to there lack of control over the final product.
#1) battery life. Due to varying hardware design and the freedom to do as you please to the OS, manufactures have made some phones with really bad battery life. this coupled with the constant updating a android device can do for any apps and the increase in popularity of cloud service, android ends up with wildly varying battery life from device to device.
#2) Consistency. If someone had a Verizon "droid", they could be using a Sense UI, a moto blur UI, or vanilla android. That's just in that one "brand of phone" alone. People dont adapt well to tech if they aren't big tech fans.
#3 quality of hardware, and I'm not talking about specs. Most consumers only judge the internals on how smooth the final product is. No, I'm talking about, build materials and the screen. There is some junk out there (allot of them have great internals). some of these phones are built like toys with race car parts inside them.
Now for where google is falling short.
#1 marketing. This is amazing to me that an Advertising company would fall short here but they do. Google ads focus on strange things like the ability to unlock your bootloader. Most people have no idea what this means and why they should care. They probably shouldn't care since they will never hack there phones.
also, every time Apple comes out with an "I" product ad, they are doing a real good job of showing how there "new feature" will make your life more fun and allot easier. The funny thing is, they are almost always features that android already had.
This is one of the things I really started to notice as I was surrounded by the non tech savvy android users. I would say, "funny, android already does that, has for a while now". My girlfriend would then ask, "does my phone do that?". Wow Google, you should be the master and telling people about all the selling points of your product.
#2 ease of use. This one may also be an issue with the carriers but I am going to put it in this section. One of the things I again noticed as I helped my girlfriend master here Nexus S 4G was, weird quirks that are not even a stumbling block to a Tech savvy user but almost a deal breaker to the average consumer.
Example: when my girlfriend 1st got here nexus, she hated it, couldn't believe I recommended it. One of her issues that stuck in my mind was the SMS limit. She hated that the SMS would cap her before she was done texing a message. She didnt care if it sent as two messages but she wanted to be able to type one continues message and then send it, letting the software sort it out. So I said, no problem, my phone doesn't do that (galaxy nexus) so there must be a deep setting to control this. As it turns out there wasn't, at least I couldn't find it. So again, I said no problem and down loaded handsent witch fixed the problem and she loved the easy theming. Well along came here ICS update that I had been raving about and her phone started crashing. Turns out handsent was the reason. Again, I said, no problem and downloaded Go SMS witch she loves even more.
That's just one example, in the mean time, 4 people in her family have switched from android to I Phones and don't regret it. I feel that one of them was mainly due to the hardware they chose and the rest is because they didn't have the live in tech help that my girlfriend has ( don't mean that to sound arrogant). My girlfriend loves her phone partly because I fix each issue as it arises and inform her of cool features.
Conclusion: I really think that the the lack of consistency is the other side of the open source double edged sword. this shows it self in software and hardware. It can be as small as the order in witch the bottom buttons appear, and as big as the Sense UI that changes everything a little bit. I also feel that no one besides Verizon in the early days, is really advertising Android well. Even Verizon doesn't do as good of a job showing you how much the phones can do and why you should want these features as Apple does.
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Ok let me help you out.
#2: Actually, Droid branding is owned by motorola, therefore they will only be using blur UI.
Marketing: Google is not in the business of advertising an OEM's phone. That is up to the OEM and the OEM only.
Ease of use: Apple owns a patent that breaks up the long text AFTER it is typed. Therefore, it would be illegal for Android to use it. Example invalid.
Conclusion: Verizon sucks.
You really did not point out 1 thing that google has control over in your whole post.
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Stupid post. Why? Because you have no clue what android is. Android is an open source operating system. OEM's take android, and just so you know, they don't need google's consent, and manipulate it the way they want to put on their hardware. Google has no say in what they do to it, how they arrange their buttons, or the UI that they add to it. So your post is more directed at OEM's than google.
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http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/03/14/android-isnt-really-open-its-just-less-closed-than-apple/
Google only cares about advertising (and like to snoop in on what you do, say, what you buy, where you shop, visit, etc... ) of course.
But they do have pretty good control over Android.
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Ok let me help you out.
#2: Actually, Droid branding is owned by motorola, therefore they will only be using blur UI.
Marketing: Google is not in the business of advertising an OEM's phone. That is up to the OEM and the OEM only.
Ease of use: Apple owns a patent that breaks up the long text AFTER it is typed. Therefore, it would be illegal for Android to use it. Example invalid.
Conclusion: Verizon sucks.
You really did not point out 1 thing that google has control over in your whole post.
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1st off, "droid" always running blur was not the point and incorrect. Verizon owns the "droid" name, as it is licensed to them by Lucus Industries. hence the HTC phones under that same brand name. I was commenting on the superior advertizing and Branding that Verizon did. The Droid 1 was a great vanilla phone that did well in a large part, due to advertizing. The verizon campain made "droid" a household name, more so than "Android".
2nd google can advertise features and the OS without advertising a specifice peice of hardware, windows does it all the time. Also, since google does have Google branded harware (nexus), they are in the hardware biz and should advertize aas such.
"Verizon sucks" based on what I can only emagin was your reasoning for this statement, I'm sure all major cariers "suck, not really the point here. Out of all the cariers, Verizon, furthered the android the most in the last 3 years out of anyone. Only now is Samsung beging to be the leader in promoting the android platform.
I agree with you on this, anyone who ask me what phone to get, i personally recommend iPhone UNLESS the guy knows his stuff, i myself LOVE android, been using it for 3 years now but i am software developer and very much familiar with kernels and bootloaders and and and , someone was aksing me the other day, since Android has much bigger marketshare, why everything comes out for iPhone first?
answer is simple, as a developer making things for iPhone is sooooo much easier, you only have "ONE" screen dimension to worry about, you only got 3-4 phones to worry about which 90% of them are similar, now compare this with android phones !!!
and last as everyone mentioned is advertising, personally i think google and all manufacturers do a HORRIBLE job promoting , remember when iCloud came out? nothing new really, just another DropBox, but Apple made such a big deal about it, everyone was AMAZED !!! same with siri, and so many other things,
Personally i think iPhone WORKS, its great for people who dont think outside the box, they want something that WORKS and thats it, they like to be TOLD what to do, how to use your phone , and they follow it.
Android is for thone who like to explore, install custom ROMs , play with OC/UV , etc.
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remember when iCloud came out? nothing new really, just another DropBox, but Apple made such a big deal about it, everyone was AMAZED !!! same with siri, and so many other things
thats another real good example of, others were 1st but Apple advertizes better
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I actually came from a blackberry, where in convention they make and market their devices.
When I switched to android now essentially Samsung was giving me their flavour of what they call android through Touchwiz and I really hated it.
Google should really take sometime to ensure manufacturers aren't dumbing down the platform for consumers and give users a clear overview of how it can serve them. Which is exactly what Google does with its Nexus.
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First off, I searched the forums to see if anybody has really discussed what seems to be a one-sided trial and I haven't really found anything. So I ask this question because I am a little confused on the matter...
If you have been following the news lately, you would see that the samsung vs. apple case has begun. Barely two days into it samsung releases evidence of designs that predate the iphone which look kind of similar. Apparently this "key" evidence was rejected by Judge Koh on the basis that it is irrelevant. You can google search the facts about this but here is one link http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2407919,00.asp
Now, I am no legal expert and just taking a quick glance and seeing the evidence and hearing that it was rejected by the judge makes no sense right now. It angered me to think that samsung wasn't given a fair chance to provide evidence that seems clearly relevant to why this whole trial is even taking place. But I figured I should withhold judgment until I learn all the facts because like I said, I am no expert on legal matters and I know there is two sides of the story.
My question is, is there a good reason as to why the judge threw evidence out like this? A lot of people are claiming the judge is being payed by apple but I'm not going to quickly jump to that conclusion. I am wondering if there are any fellow xda people out there that have some experience in law or know a lot about this case and can elaborate as to why this has happened. I want to know if it is unfair to jump to the assumption that apple is somehow pulling strings behind the scenes.
I'd prefer people with a decent amount of knowledge in this case speak up and not people who have read a few articles and think they know all about it.
If it's one thing I'm really starting to learn, it's that all these tech sites seem to have a bias towards them. I see some sites blatantly ignoring and even sometimes lying about android and it's features, usabillity, etc. So I'd rather get advice, experience, opinions from people who at least know what they're talking about.
Update Now Apple is asking for judge to punish samsung for releasing public documents to the press
http://www.computerworld.com/s/arti...amsung_for_releasing_documents_in_iPhone_suit
I'm pretty sure that evidence was thrown out because it was entered too late by Samsung (there's a cut-off date after which no new evidence may be entered for consideration, since both parties must get some time to go over it and decide how to deal with it).
But yeah, unfortunately I think Samsung is gonna get screwed on this one. Apple seems pretty good at deceiving juries and judges (especially certain ones) into believing that they invented everything in existence. I just hope it doesn't end too badly for Samsung, as their phones are probably the biggest reason why Android has risen up as a viable competitor to iOS (and even raced right past it in market share). The smartphone world needs that competition. I shudder at the thought of a world where the only real choice is getting an iPhone.
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I'm pretty sure that evidence was thrown out because it was entered too late by Samsung (there's a cut-off date after which no new evidence may be entered for consideration, since both parties must get some time to go over it and decide how to deal with it).
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Ahhh, I see. Well that makes sense if it there's a deadline and they didn't make it. I will say that I find it pretty strange that they didn't make the deadline with evidence that seems to be pretty damn important.
There are time limits, thought it can still be allowed if it wasn't discovered quickly enough to be submitted. Regardless, every decision made seems to point to clear bias on the point of Koh and higher judges. I've yet to see anything fair and impartial about what's been going on with any of this from the beginning.
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There are time limits, thought it can still be allowed if it wasn't discovered quickly enough to be submitted. Regardless, every decision made seems to point to clear bias on the point of Koh and higher judges. I've yet to see anything fair and impartial about what's been going on with any of this from the beginning.
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Worst case scenario... Apple wins. And also gets to enforce the recent touchscreen patents they were awarded. What does this mean for android? That's what I'm wondering. Although, I really hope this doesn't happen.
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There are time limits, thought it can still be allowed if it wasn't discovered quickly enough to be submitted. Regardless, every decision made seems to point to clear bias on the point of Koh and higher judges. I've yet to see anything fair and impartial about what's been going on with any of this from the beginning.
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Yeah... Richard Posner seems to be one of the only sensible ones. Quoting The Guardian:
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At one point, for example, Apple claimed that Google was infringing one of its patents on the process of unlocking a phone by swiping the screen. "Apple's argument that a tap is a zero-length swipe," said Posner, "is silly. It's like saying that a point is a zero-length line."
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Apple is being silly, and this guy seems to be the only judge who gets that.
Whatever happens, I will hate Apple more than ever. And, if I get a second choice, I will rather get a Windows Phone than an iPhone.
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lucastan96 said:
Whatever happens, I will hate Apple more than ever. And, if I get a second choice, I will rather get a Windows Phone than an iPhone.
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Yeah, if they actually manage to ruin Android (I don't believe they will), I'll go for a Windows Phone a million times before I even look at an iPhone. I never used to actively dislike Apple, I just wasn't very interested in their products, but recently they've really made me think they're a ****ty anti-competitive company that doesn't deserve a cent of my money. I truly hate what they're trying to do to the smartphone market.
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Whatever happens, I will hate Apple more than ever. And, if I get a second choice, I will rather get a Windows Phone than an iPhone.
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I've kind of feel the same. I never really liked apple, although I know they make good products. After lots of research and hands on experience, I've realized iOS sucks compared to android. All it has is smoothness. Android has far more features and is simpler to use in my opinion. What apple really is good at is hype. After all these lawsuits with them suing everybody for what seems like ridiculous things, it's making me really hate the company now.
Free iPhones, iPads and Macbooks for the judges, it seems!
pk92 said:
Free iPhones, iPads and Macbooks for the judges, it seems!
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Yup...maybe they bribed the judges with free new Apple products
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Yup...maybe they bribed the judges with free new Apple products
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I wonder why Samsung doesn't try the same thing, if I got some of those new Galaxy products for free I would want Samsung to win.
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I wonder why Samsung doesn't try the same thing, if I got some of those new Galaxy products for free I would want Samsung to win.
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Because Samsung has some respect which Apple dont have. Thats why Apple is playing such cheap games on Samsung.
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I should point out, in the interests of fairness, that despite many of our suspicions regarding bribery or illicit deals there has never been the slightest evidence apple have bought legal rulings by anything other than legitimate and transparent means.
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Am i the only one that thinks that the judges are acting like that because apple is considered "All american and genuine" company to them and Samsung is an invading country that want to knock off the "GREAT" american company?
From my experience there are people that are dumb enough to act like that....
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Am i the only one that thinks that the judges are acting like that because apple is considered "All american and genuine" company to them and Samsung is an invading country that want to knock off the "GREAT" american company?
From my experience there are people that are dumb enough to act like that....
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This thought has passed through my mind to be honest
However I don't think any of this is as simple as "Apple is American" or "bribery".
It's a broken patent system that Apple is using to try and prolong the inevitable - which is Android taking over the majority of the market for what could be decades. Apple is within their rights to attempt to use their patent portfolio to slow down the competition. This is not debatable. They are using legal means and the current system to attempt to enforce their dominance since they can no longer maintain it with product alone.
Although I am a Samsung fan and a huge supporter of Linux, Android, Google, etc. I cannot get past the picture of the Galaxy SII next to the iPhone. Side by side, it does look like they ripped them off. That is where I believe Samsung screwed up. It's not the functionality/UI patents that are troubling to me, it's the fact they made it look like the iPhone. It's almost undeniable. They encroached on brand recognition, to the point that you can't deny they look very similar. Too similar.
In my opinion, that will be the cause of Samsung's defeat. Everyone says "you can't patent rectangles or the color spectrum". But you can't rip off someone's design either. And they did, pretty plainly IMO. Why do you think there are no Black GSIII's? Samsung knows what they did, and they didn't want to risk it with their new flagship.
As far as software patents, Apply can kiss my ass. But they have the right for their product to look unique. No matter who designed something similar back in the day. No one sees a black, rectangular phone with a huge slab of glass and says "hey, that's that Sony phone prototype!". But any average person, even an elderly person who doesn't much follow tech, definitely recognize an iPhone. Unless of course, it's next to a black Galaxy SII.
Just my two cents.
ingenious247 said:
This thought has passed through my mind to be honest
However I don't think any of this is as simple as "Apple is American" or "bribery".
It's a broken patent system that Apple is using to try and prolong the inevitable - which is Android taking over the majority of the market for what could be decades. Apple is within their rights to attempt to use their patent portfolio to slow down the competition. This is not debatable. They are using legal means and the current system to attempt to enforce their dominance since they can no longer maintain it with product alone.
Although I am a Samsung fan and a huge supporter of Linux, Android, Google, etc. I cannot get past the picture of the Galaxy SII next to the iPhone. Side by side, it does look like they ripped them off. That is where I believe Samsung screwed up. It's not the functionality/UI patents that are troubling to me, it's the fact they made it look like the iPhone. It's almost undeniable. They encroached on brand recognition, to the point that you can't deny they look very similar. Too similar.
In my opinion, that will be the cause of Samsung's defeat. Everyone says "you can't patent rectangles or the color spectrum". But you can't rip off someone's design either. And they did, pretty plainly IMO. Why do you think there are no Black GSIII's? Samsung knows what they did, and they didn't want to risk it with their new flagship.
As far as software patents, Apply can kiss my ass. But they have the right for their product to look unique. No matter who designed something similar back in the day. No one sees a black, rectangular phone with a huge slab of glass and says "hey, that's that Sony phone prototype!". But any average person, even an elderly person who doesn't much follow tech, definitely recognize an iPhone. Unless of course, it's next to a black Galaxy SII.
Just my two cents.
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Samsung didn't copy the iphone though, they actually had iphone like designs the year before iphone was made public.
Are you saying that because apple used that design in public first, even though samsung had a very similar one earlier, that apple should be only one able to have anything similar "no matter who designed something similar back in the day"?
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Samsung didn't copy the iphone though, they actually had iphone like designs the year before iphone was made public.
Are you saying that because apple used that design in public first, even though samsung had a very similar one earlier, that apple should be only one able to have anything similar "no matter who designed something similar back in the day"?
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It's the phone itself in combination with the dock, square icons, general "appearance" I'm taking about. I'm sorry but it's really not debatable. It looks like a foreign clone of an iPhone.
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If worse comes to worst you know we'll just all switch to buying Chinese android devices. The Chinese system not only ignores Apple's chicanery, but has ruled in favor of several plaintiffs against Apple and allows the phones that truly are copies to be sold freely. I don't in any way foresee it coming to that but it will be a long, long time before Apple ever sees dollar one of my money and I will do whatever I can to keep an Android device in my hands.
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It's the phone itself in combination with the dock, square icons, general "appearance" I'm taking about. I'm sorry but it's really not debatable. It looks like a foreign clone of an iPhone.
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You're not getting this. Samsung has shown (to the best of my knowledge the evidence that was tossed by Judge Koh, was legit from Samsung), that they had prior art to this style of design, the apps, the home button, the rounded corners, well before Apple ever went public with the iPhone.
https://www.xda-developers.com/sams...to-remap-the-bixby-button-on-the-galaxy-s8s8/
Sad!
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https://www.xda-developers.com/sams...to-remap-the-bixby-button-on-the-galaxy-s8s8/
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idiots! they really do know how to piss off their own customers dont they. I have no issue with them having it set like that as default, but i want control over my own ****ing device, that I paid a hell of a lot of money for! This is the sort of crap I would expect from Apple. There is no legitimate reason to be putting time and effort into blocking people remapping the button, it has no detrimental effect to Samsung what so ever if people want to remap it, anyone remaping it is obviously not planning on using Bixby anyway so it's not like it will reduce the usage of it, so all it is going to do is cost Samsung time and money in preventing it, and piss off a great many customers. That is the sort of move that pushes people onto other brands like Huawei and OnePlus despite their hardware not being quite as good.
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From the link...
We are very disappointed in this development. We understand Samsung’s motivations in wanting to make users use the Bixby button for its intended purpose, but the many tutorials available to remap the Bixby button are simply there for those users who wanted it. If Samsung didn’t want the press to report on the fact that users are seeking the remap the Bixby button, perhaps they should work to get the feature fully working out of the box first.
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Statement from the dev kind of distorts reality. The ability to remap the button was crowed about before Bixby Voice was delayed. Maybe if the dev wasn't so hell bent on his or her 15 minutes of fame the mod would have flown below the radar. Samsung's investing $1B in AI so poking the bear by mutating a feature their mobile AI platform depends on perhaps wasn't the smartest of things to do. I'm probably one of the few looking forward to Bixby and Samsung Connect because I have a houseful of IoT devices and Samsung's solution(s) seem pretty cool compared to what I'm currently using.
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For God's sake guys.. at least give Bixby a shot!.. you can still use google assistant as before by long pressing the home button. Problem with many android folks is they give up too soon and too easily on experiencing the phone the manufacturer intended. Take a lesson or two from the apple camp.
First thing I'm gonna do is block OTA updates to prevent this update tbh
Until someone figures out how to remap it.
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For God's sake guys.. at least give Bixby a shot!.. you can still use google assistant as before by long pressing the home button. Problem with many android folks is they give up too soon and too easily on experiencing the phone the manufacturer intended. Take a lesson or two from the apple camp.
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I'm pretty sure many people use Android because they didn't want to use Apple's whole "our way or highway" concept of design... Which is what Samsung is doing right now.
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For God's sake guys.. at least give Bixby a shot!.. you can still use google assistant as before by long pressing the home button. Problem with many android folks is they give up too soon and too easily on experiencing the phone the manufacturer intended. Take a lesson or two from the apple camp.
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That's not the point. The point is that they are shoving it down our throats without giving us a say in the matter.
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That's not the point. The point is that they are shoving it down our throats without giving us a say in the matter.
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Really? You want to have "your say" in the "matter"? Are you employed by Samsung? If not, then I would suggesting becoming one if you want to have your say.
Look, I understand the whole Android, open source thing.. but the whole point about the open source is manufacturers are also free to use that source to further their own agenda.. whatever that might be. Bixby SOUNDS very promising based on everything we hear about it so far.. Who knows, it might be a lot better than google assistant and/or drive Google to make their own products better.
Think about Samsung as offering serious competition to Google in terms of the services it is aiming to provide.. and competition is a good thing.
It is incredulous to me because we haven't even scratched the surface of Bixby yet and we already want to remap buttons and complain about it.
There are other phones too you know.. and if Bixby turns out to be a flop, then I'm sure we all will have our say and Samsung will nix it or give us options.
It is completely unfair to expect Samsung to NOT be enthusiastic and committed about a Billion+ dollar investment that they are making on Bixby.
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Really? You want to have "your say" in the "matter"? Are you employed by Samsung? If not, then I would suggesting becoming one if you want to have your say.
Look, I understand the whole Android, open source thing.. but the whole point about the open source is manufacturers are also free to use that source to further their own agenda.. whatever that might be. Bixby SOUNDS very promising based on everything we hear about it so far.. Who knows, it might be a lot better than google assistant and/or drive Google to make their own products better.
Think about Samsung as offering serious competition to Google in terms of the services it is aiming to provide.. and competition is a good thing.
It is incredulous to me because we haven't even scratched the surface of Bixby yet and we already want to remap buttons and complain about it.
There are other phones too you know.. and if Bixby turns out to be a flop, then I'm sure we all will have our say and Samsung will nix it or give us options.
It is completely unfair to expect Samsung to NOT be enthusiastic and committed about a Billion+ dollar investment that they are making on Bixby.
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I don't work for Samsung but you sure seem to. I don't really understand why you're defending this at all. Like I said you're completely missing the point... Sure bixby might be better than google assistant, but I doubt it. Why do we need another app that does the exact same thing google assistant does? Why don't we have the freedom to bind the button to whatever we want? Competition is only possible when one provides some sort of benefit over the opposing party and I frankly don't see any benefit over using Bixby over google assistant.
Why are you complaining about people wanting to have the freedom to bind the button to whatever they want?
Not everyone is going to instantly bind it to something else.. they'll probably try out Bixby at the start. But what if we've tried it and don't like it? Why can't we have the option to bind the button to something else? You expect Samsung to return the option to bind the button to something else if Bixby fails? Oh you sweet summer child.
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Really? You want to have "your say" in the "matter"? Are you employed by Samsung? If not, then I would suggesting becoming one if you want to have your say.
Look, I understand the whole Android, open source thing.. but the whole point about the open source is manufacturers are also free to use that source to further their own agenda.. whatever that might be. Bixby SOUNDS very promising based on everything we hear about it so far.. Who knows, it might be a lot better than google assistant and/or drive Google to make their own products better.
Think about Samsung as offering serious competition to Google in terms of the services it is aiming to provide.. and competition is a good thing.
It is incredulous to me because we haven't even scratched the surface of Bixby yet and we already want to remap buttons and complain about it.
There are other phones too you know.. and if Bixby turns out to be a flop, then I'm sure we all will have our say and Samsung will nix it or give us options.
It is completely unfair to expect Samsung to NOT be enthusiastic and committed about a Billion+ dollar investment that they are making on Bixby.
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Honestly, I do not care if Bixby is a flop or not
Android to me has always been about option
Taking away those options takes away the whole reason to use android
If i liked a locked down phone I just as well could go with iPhone that has a great locked down OS with really amazing memory management, many games and apps build for this platform first then ported to android with various results
So yes. I for one care about my options
Options are good
Say Bixby turns out to be a great piece of software I will use it
Bottom line. Yes. Competition is great but so are options. One does not necessary take away from the other though
This is incredibly annoying to me. I may well use Bixby, but not 20 times a day. I probably won't need to use it more than once a week. I'm not really interested in either Bixby or Google Assistant. So giving it a dedicated button is ridiculous! So it is just going to sit there doing nothing except when I accidentally press it. There are other apps that I am likely to be using far more often and it just makes sense that, if there is to be an extra button, then I should be able to choose what it does.
I'd rather have it disabled than having it at all. Am I closed-minded? Sure! But I also don't give a crap and want to stick with Google Now and Assistant to do all of my bidding.
When I get this phone on Wednesday I'm going to block all OTA's and see if it can still be done. If not, I will do my best to disable it in Package Disabler Pro or whatever app is currently working.
LordVarian said:
I don't work for Samsung but you sure seem to. I don't really understand why you're defending this at all. Like I said you're completely missing the point... Sure bixby might be better than google assistant, but I doubt it. Why do we need another app that does the exact same thing google assistant does? Why don't we have the freedom to bind the button to whatever we want? Competition is only possible when one provides some sort of benefit over the opposing party and I frankly don't see any benefit over using Bixby over google assistant.
Why are you complaining about people wanting to have the freedom to bind the button to whatever they want?
Not everyone is going to instantly bind it to something else.. they'll probably try out Bixby at the start. But what if we've tried it and don't like it? Why can't we have the option to bind the button to something else? You expect Samsung to return the option to bind the button to something else if Bixby fails? Oh you sweet summer child.
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There is always some idiot that comes along defending **** like this, it's why I just try to avoid these things in general, I just can't be bothered trying to argue with dimwits anymore, got better things to do.
Fact is, its a beyond stupid decision, and all it can do is lose Samsung customers. At a time when companies like Huawei and OnePlus are gaining rapidly, that isn't a very clever thing to do. Samsung are fast turning into Apple, forcing crap on people instead of providing it and letting them make their own choices. The difference is with apple what you have left are Apple fanboys, people that think android is too complicated for them, and above all, people that are locked in with things like itunes and dont know how to escape. The difference is nobody is locked in to Samsung so its REALLY dangerous for them to keep pissing people off like this, people can, and will, simply go out and grab another manufacturers android device instead.
As I said, I personally don't have a problem with them using that button for Bixby by default, but DO NOT tell me how to use my own device by preventing me using it how I want (particularly when there is no justifiable reason for doing it).
androidbuff123 said:
For God's sake guys.. at least give Bixby a shot!.. you can still use google assistant as before by long pressing the home button. Problem with many android folks is they give up too soon and too easily on experiencing the phone the manufacturer intended. Take a lesson or two from the apple camp.
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I'd give it a shot if it were fully developed at launch. Instead they're giving us a feature that is half baked, and won't be working 100% for at least another couple months. How stupid is that?
Then maybe Samsung's phones aren't for you? They've made no secret about locking their phones down and controlling an alternative ecosystem but yet people who hate those things buy Samsung phones anyway. Who's winng?
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Then maybe Samsung's phones aren't for you? They've made no secret about locking their phones down and controlling an alternative ecosystem but yet people who hate those things buy Samsung phones anyway. Who's winng?
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Exactly!.. these dimwits think that their whining and *****ing is all legitimate and somehow Samsung is wrong and doing something really terrible to them.
Samsung is NOT in the business of giving you "options" and keeping things "open".....the simple reason for that is people like you and me (and I'm including myself).. who wants things to be open with options are the VAST MINORITY..... Most people want to press buttons and have a feature available to them.. Most people WANT TO SIMPLY USE THEIR PHONES for their purposes.
We can all pound sand all we want if things aren't exactly the way we want it to be. But in situations like this.. .. a mature brain will understand that the manufacturer had different ideas that doesn't match yours and move on. .. ... or at least have the patience to wait and see how things unfolds.
I would LOVE to change the mapping of the button to whatever I want.. but I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND where Samsung is coming from. Mind you I am an iphone user all around.. and I switch between android and ios for the sake of fun and entertainment.. and nothing else.
I don't even fault the OP for creating the thread because it is passing along news to those who were wanting to remap.. but for crying out loud.. don't buy the damn phone if that is a deal breaker for you.
Samsung is even overtaking apple in terms of number of units it is selling, so I really doubt when you bemoan and curse Samsung that it'll lose customers.
NOT HAPPENING.!.. Unless we have exploding batteries are other serious issues with the phone.. the Galaxy S8 is a runaway hit!
Samsung did not just create a separate "multi function" button. If I were employed at Samsung, I would do exactly what Samsung did... they are SERIOUSLY committed to Bixby.. hence the separate Hardware Button.. Now Mind you, Samsung is not taking away a standard smartphone button that we all can complain about.. it is an additional button.
If Bixby ends up being a complete failure, then I will be one of the guys screaming for Samsung to free up the button and make it multi-functional..
Until then..just understand that YOUR vision for how the phone should be ... does NOT match Samsung's vision..
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I'd give it a shot if it were fully developed at launch. Instead they're giving us a feature that is half baked, and won't be working 100% for at least another couple months. How stupid is that?
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It is ridiculous they are even attempting Bixby! S voice was much less ambitious and a total disaster.
There is so much value their resources could be delivering in other areas.; Always on display, facial/iris recognition, secure folders and even touchwiz is pretty darn good these days!
A billion dollar effort taking on Google, at one of Google's core competencies and doing it 2+ years late.
ewokuk said:
There is always some idiot that comes along defending **** like this, it's why I just try to avoid these things in general, I just can't be bothered trying to argue with dimwits anymore, got better things to do.
Fact is, its a beyond stupid decision, and all it can do is lose Samsung customers. At a time when companies like Huawei and OnePlus are gaining rapidly, that isn't a very clever thing to do. Samsung are fast turning into Apple, forcing crap on people instead of providing it and letting them make their own choices. The difference is with apple what you have left are Apple fanboys, people that think android is too complicated for them, and above all, people that are locked in with things like itunes and dont know how to escape. The difference is nobody is locked in to Samsung so its REALLY dangerous for them to keep pissing people off like this, people can, and will, simply go out and grab another manufacturers android device instead.
As I said, I personally don't have a problem with them using that button for Bixby by default, but DO NOT tell me how to use my own device by preventing me using it how I want (particularly when there is no justifiable reason for doing it).
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So people are dimwits because they don't necessarily agree with you on this subject? Unfortunately that doesn't hold up. The average Samsung consumer isn't on XDA or browsing the web trying to figure out how to remap a button, they're taking selfies and sending snaps. Samsung obviously isn't catering to the tinker crowd considering locked bootloaders, KNOX, and other security measures they take on their devices.
YOUR device you say... That's like financing a Bugatti and then complaining when you discover they don't give you the tools to service the vehicle yourself. Samsung created the device, they have a vision of what they feel their devices should do. Same as any manufacturer really. OnePlus just happens to be one of the more "friendly" OEM's that allow you do what you will with "YOUR" device. Their vision is different than Samsung's and vice versa. No company is perfect, but if you think Samsung cares about a handful of people on XDA complaining about a button, then I've got beach front property in Idaho to sell you.
By your reckoning Google is fast turning into Apple as well. Hell, Huawei and Xiaomi load their phones down with ridiculous skins and people still buy them. What about the millions of people that would prefer stock Android on that hardware. Those devices are THEIR own so the manufacturers shouldn't be forcing them to use such horrid interfaces. Right?
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Exactly!.. these dimwits think that their whining and *****ing is all legitimate and somehow Samsung is wrong and doing something really terrible to them.
Samsung is NOT in the business of giving you "options" and keeping things "open".....the simple reason for that is people like you and me (and I'm including myself).. who wants things to be open with options are the VAST MINORITY..... Most people want to press buttons and have a feature available to them.. Most people WANT TO SIMPLY USE THEIR PHONES for their purposes.
We can all pound sand all we want if things aren't exactly the way we want it to be. But in situations like this.. .. a mature brain will understand that the manufacturer had different ideas that doesn't match yours and move on. .. ... or at least have the patience to wait and see how things unfolds.
I would LOVE to change the mapping of the button to whatever I want.. but I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND where Samsung is coming from. Mind you I am an iphone user all around.. and I switch between android and ios for the sake of fun and entertainment.. and nothing else.
I don't even fault the OP for creating the thread because it is passing along news to those who were wanting to remap.. but for crying out loud.. don't buy the damn phone if that is a deal breaker for you.
Samsung is even overtaking apple in terms of number of units it is selling, so I really doubt when you bemoan and curse Samsung that it'll lose customers.
NOT HAPPENING.!.. Unless we have exploding batteries are other serious issues with the phone.. the Galaxy S8 is a runaway hit!
Samsung did not just create a separate "multi function" button. If I were employed at Samsung, I would do exactly what Samsung did... they are SERIOUSLY committed to Bixby.. hence the separate Hardware Button.. Now Mind you, Samsung is not taking away a standard smartphone button that we all can complain about.. it is an additional button.
If Bixby ends up being a complete failure, then I will be one of the guys screaming for Samsung to free up the button and make it multi-functional..
Until then..just understand that YOUR vision for how the phone should be ... does NOT match Samsung's vision..
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There is a difference between keeping things "open" and forcibly locking something down that only a "VAST MINORITY" of users will take advantage of. No one is expecting them to build a remapping option into the their UI.
To announce last week that Bixby will be crippled at launch, and then to spend resources this week pushing an update out to block doing something else with the button is maddening.