Hello All,
I'm new to your forum but I've been developing software and games for over 25 years. After recently retiring my Zii Egg to a PMD after ZiiLabs failed to release the dev community a bug free version of Android that actually purposefully was left with hardware support disabled. All the hardware features were there running off their crap OS but they left it out for the Android developers.
Basically I got fkd out of $500 or something..Big deal, I moved on with our PC game development and forgot about Android until last Christmas when I was traveling to see my Family in Texas and had a chance to play with my sister's Galaxy running 2.1. There were limitations but the potential amazed me so I went out and grabbed a Droid X and started digging into the device.
My question to anyone who may have insight is: IS it worth my time to develop for Android when so many are becoming unhappy by the device limitations set by the carriers. For instance if I was to develop a multiplayer realtime simulation or game the technologies that are employed by the carriers such as B.O.D. (Bandwidth on Demand) would create insane latency issues.
Any thoughts or feedback would be appreciated.
Ty and Peace!
Snowcrash
Right now I feel the market for android is... Well stupid. Most people that have android phones aren't especially tech savvy and really don't know what kind of potential there phone has right at this moment.
Unlike IOS which is one form of hardware that anyone can jump on and play a game, regardless of it's release date and the current technology in their slightly newer Ipod Touch or Ipad.
But, I think that's going to change. Tablets are coming out from all kinds of manufactures and a lot of people are looking to jump in on the excitement. Nvidia is making a quad core processor and gpu (Kal-El) that is really showing a lot of performance benchmarks.
So I do think the market is going to get bigger, better and more lucrative as the serious gamers starting switching to tablets for their gaming needs.
But again... Do remember that it's going to take awhile as tablets still aren't a replacement for a computer and they still don't trump little johnny and susie's want of the PS Vita or 3DS.
Thank you for your very comprehensive answer! Sounds like I'll stick to PC and console game dev a bit longer before dipping into the Android zone. I really love the potential of the device but I concur that the demand won't exceed other platform's that are already very lucrative.
Thank you again for your response
Peace
I think 3D cell phone gaming is a hugely untapped market that will see some hugely major growth in the next few years. I myself just purchased a Sony Xperia Play. I don't think the Play will be a massive hit, but I think it will set the stage to get people seriously thinking about 3D gaming on their phones. By the time the Play 2 comes around, I think we are going to start seeing a lot more interest in 3d gaming on people's cellular devices.
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why do gameloft games comes after 3 or 4 months after it came for iphone?? android phones have more powerful hardware than iphone..sometimes when i search for gameloft games for android..the iphone ones show up and there are so many amazing gameloft games for iphone which havent released in android like "sacred of odyssey" "shadow guardian" "nova 2" "dungeon hunter 2" "eternal legacy" "star battalion" "asphalt 6" "hero of sparta 2"....why so much hate towards android will we get those games any sooner? is there anything we can do to get them soon?
Lets face it, they have a huge fan boy following. Hell even the media it's biased towards apple, so of course they are going to cater. Their app market it's also bigger, giving them more competition, no matter how useless some of them are. That and from what I hear, doing know the truth of it because I don't know how to crack, android apps are easier to pirate. Kind of annoying, but then I sit and look how much freedom I have with my phone, and it makes me feel so much better. If phone were sociopolitical movements, iphones would be communism and android the free world
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As far as I see it apple can go and die! All they have is a headstart. This year will be the year of Android!
Nerz said:
Lets face it, they have a huge fan boy following. Hell even the media it's biased towards apple, so of course they are going to cater. Their app market it's also bigger, giving them more competition, no matter how useless some of them are. That and from what I hear, doing know the truth of it because I don't know how to crack, android apps are easier to pirate. Kind of annoying, but then I sit and look how much freedom I have with my phone, and it makes me feel so much better. If phone were sociopolitical movements, iphones would be communism and android the free world
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dude iphone pirating is soo easier than android i guess..they just have installous so they can directly download pirated apps from phone...our android is better!!! and i hope these gameloft people understand it and develop quality games for android
Apple app store makes devs way more money than the Android one, that and fragmentation are Android's biggest problems.
gunnyman said:
Apple app store makes devs way more money than the Android one, that and fragmentation are Android's biggest problems.
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so does that mean they wont be developing as many games they are developing for apple?
i went to get black pegasus and att wasnt even listed,so now i use a warez site and steal everything
smackdownn said:
so does that mean they wont be developing as many games they are developing for apple?
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Seems to be the case for them and many other developers.
Give it some time...
screw gameloft, screw apple!!! lol
I just got modern combat 2 straight from my phone no problem. Through dolphin browser select t mobile on gameloft they sent the link and I downloaded it.
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HELLO EVERYONE...
all the android users out there,please join the poll and support the
porting of more and more games to android...
i think android is the next big thing in the smart phone market,
the reach is getting bigger than the iphone even as i type...
and the handsets are sporting cpus,gpus,and rams which would make the even
the iphone envy..
so all of you out there vote and support the games for android...
especially since there is almost no competition for android in 3d games section
gameloft is already ahead by light years here...
please gameloft port all hd games to android...
and all the android users,also mention which games you want to be ported to android..
i personally feel THE SETTLERS should be ported,as there are no strategy games on android..
please join the gameloft forums(it takes a min) and support my poll
go to this poll,i have pasted the link below...
http://forum.gameloft.com/index.php/topic,9064.0.html
When i see the number of iphone games i get really jealous..please poll and persuade gameloft to port all the games to android,by showing how many android gamers actually care...and why arent the gameloft games on the market?they will get much more popularity and recognition,and revenue if they join the android market...
smackdownn said:
why do gameloft games comes after 3 or 4 months after it came for iphone?? android phones have more powerful hardware than iphone..sometimes when i search for gameloft games for android..the iphone ones show up and there are so many amazing gameloft games for iphone which havent released in android like "sacred of odyssey" "shadow guardian" "nova 2" "dungeon hunter 2" "eternal legacy" "star battalion" "asphalt 6" "hero of sparta 2"....why so much hate towards android will we get those games any sooner? is there anything we can do to get them soon?
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HELLO EVERYONE...
all the android users out there,please join the poll and support the
porting of more and more games to android...
i think android is the next big thing in the smart phone market,
the reach is getting bigger than the iphone even as i type...
and the handsets are sporting cpus,gpus,and rams which would make the even
the iphone envy..
so all of you out there vote and support the games for android...
especially since there is almost no competition for android in 3d games section
gameloft is already ahead by light years here...
please gameloft port all hd games to android...
and all the android users,also mention which games you want to be ported to android..
i personally feel THE SETTLERS should be ported,as there are no strategy games on android..
please join the gameloft forums and support my poll
go to this poll,i have pasted the link below...
http://forum.gameloft.com/index.php/topic,9064.0.html
When i see the number of iphone games i get really jealous..please poll and persuade gameloft to port all the games to android,by showing how many android gamers actually care...and why arent the gameloft games on the market?they will get much more popularity and recognition,and revenue if they join the android market...
You can get tons of gameloft games on android underground.
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gunnyman said:
Apple app store makes devs way more money than the Android one, that and fragmentation are Android's biggest problems.
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Yep. iPhony devs only have one primary OS to deal with, whereas Android is often customized by carrier, phone model, region and version meaning devs have to work way harder at developing on it.
I don’t understand why gaming companies such EA, Capcom, Square Enix, etc don’t offer the same amount of games that we can easily find on App Store?
I used to have on my iPhone games like, SF 4, NBA Jam, Dead Space, Metal Slug, Dragons Lair a many others that I cannot find on Android market.
Is there any explanation for it? Android as far as I know is the most popular OS so why those companies don’t develop games to Android?
And I know I can get ROMs for some games (like Neogeo – Metal Slug, King of Fighters etc) but it’s not the same, those ROMs are not really developed for Android, they are adapted so for me we cannot have the best of it.
Wouldn’t be cool to have a SF 3D for O3D? or Dead Space 3D?
Which games, in 3D, would you like to see it?
The only big company that I can see doing a great job is Gameloft, apart from them the rest is rest at the moment.
Shame that they are not treating Android with respect.
Several studies have shown that Android users are much less keen on buying apps than iOS users. Therefore, the large gaming companies you mentioned probably estimate the market for complex Android games is too small to be lucrative.
Wekko306 said:
Several studies have shown that Android users are much less keen on buying apps than iOS users. Therefore, the large gaming companies you mentioned probably estimate the market for complex Android games is too small to be lucrative.
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Perhaps they are not willing to buy because there are no "good games" at the moment?
I have bought 3 3D from Gameloft and will be buy more from them very soon.
In my opinion it is just a matter of what the marketing is offering if there is good games people would pay for it.
I think it may also be because android users are innate hackers. Kind of kills their bottom line.
If we really get "Onlive" on our Android devices like it was announced, gaming is going to take another direction. Try "onlive viewer" and check what gaming is all about.
BigChillin said:
I think it may also be because android users are innate hackers. Kind of kills their bottom line.
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I don't agree with that, it would be same idea for game consoles.
The gamers know that it is possible to get pirate games online and unlock their consoles, but I do believe that it's not everybody that does that and the same you can say about Android.
You have millions of people using the system and it's impossible to think that all these people would be hacking their phones.
Even iPhones can be unlocked (Jailbreak - Cydia) where you can get free stuff as well.
I really don't see much of logic if this is what these companies are thinking.
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If we really get "Onlive" on our Android devices like it was announced, gaming is going to take another direction. Try "onlive viewer" and check what gaming is all about.
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Looking for it now =]
tourjefferson said:
I don't agree with that, it would be same idea for game consoles.
The gamers know that it is possible to get pirate games online and unlock their consoles, but I do believe that it's not everybody that does that and the same you can say about Android.
You have millions of people using the system and it's impossible to think that all these people would be hacking their phones.
Even iPhones can be unlocked (Jailbreak - Cydia) where you can get free stuff as well.
I really don't see much of logic if this is what these companies are thinking.
Looking for it now =]
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Check this post out and you gonna see what im talking about.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1138194
ThiaiZ said:
Check this post out and you gonna see what im talking about.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1138194
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I've seen the thread and it looks promising, I hope they will offer that officially to Android and hopefully people outside USA will be able to use this service.
It's going to be very cool!
tourjefferson said:
I don't agree with that, it would be same idea for game consoles.
The gamers know that it is possible to get pirate games online and unlock their consoles, but I do believe that it's not everybody that does that and the same you can say about Android.
You have millions of people using the system and it's impossible to think that all these people would be hacking their phones.
Even iPhones can be unlocked (Jailbreak - Cydia) where you can get free stuff as well.
I really don't see much of logic if this is what these companies are thinking.
Looking for it now =]
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Have you ever tried to hack an Xbox? I'm a pretty tech savvy Guy and I can't do it. It all hangs on security, and mobile phones lack it for the most part. I personally would release to xbla instead of a mobile platform.
BigChillin said:
Have you ever tried to hack an Xbox? I'm a pretty tech savvy Guy and I can't do it. It all hangs on security, and mobile phones lack it for the most part. I personally would release to xbla instead of a mobile platform.
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Its pretty easy to hack wii/xbox360/ps3 i have done that on all my consoles easy to hack iphone also android everything are hackable! So thats not a good excuse that the big companys dont make the good games to android its all about money and tactics from apples side. But as seen now it very soon will change alot more ppl having android phones today. Apple is at top now but they are close to fall in near future a company are at top for awhile but sooner or later its going to fall. Also its another reason that apple will fall steve jobs have quited. He is pretty good to talk so he had done alot for the company just becouse of hes way to talk about apple product! so hopefully in near future the game companys see its alot money to earn at android too just look at gameloft they earn pretty good for those android games becouse thats quality games its worth to pay for!
Hi guys, i have an HTC Mozart with custom rom and i love it, but i really want to know why the market doesn't have the games that the other market have, like fifa 12, dead space ecc, i really want to play those game on my wp7
And an other question: why the price are so high (angry bird, fruit ninja ecc.)?
Sorry for my bad english
Hi,
There are a couple of reasons why there are less games. First off the WP7 marketplace is the newest out of the three app marketplaces of iOS, Android, and Windows Phone. It just takes time to build up a lot of apps, and WP7 has had the least time so far.
Since it is the newest marketplace, it prevents a lot of devs from trying the platform. For indie developers, not that much. But for larger studios there needs to be at least a certain user base before they will develop apps. I have also heard some people mention that it requires additional work to port existing games over to WP7.
This is what leads to the higher prices for the well known games like Angry Birds and Fruit Ninja. Since less high profile games have been ported over, the well known games can charge more. There really isn't an incentive for them to lower prices since they are already known on other platforms and are past the "give away stuff to get your name out phase".
Additionally, Xbox Live games seem to come at a $3 minumum, although there are a couple of free ones that just give a few points (like, 50) of gamerscore. If you don't limit yourself to the big-name games, you'll see a lot of indie ones that are free or only a dollar, and some are very high quality. The trick is sorting through them to find the good ones.
Korhaan said:
Hi,
There are a couple of reasons why there are less games. First off the WP7 marketplace is the newest out of the three app marketplaces of iOS, Android, and Windows Phone. It just takes time to build up a lot of apps, and WP7 has had the least time so far.
Since it is the newest marketplace, it prevents a lot of devs from trying the platform. For indie developers, not that much. But for larger studios there needs to be at least a certain user base before they will develop apps. I have also heard some people mention that it requires additional work to port existing games over to WP7.
This is what leads to the higher prices for the well known games like Angry Birds and Fruit Ninja. Since less high profile games have been ported over, the well known games can charge more. There really isn't an incentive for them to lower prices since they are already known on other platforms and are past the "give away stuff to get your name out phase".
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GoodDayToDie said:
Additionally, Xbox Live games seem to come at a $3 minumum, although there are a couple of free ones that just give a few points (like, 50) of gamerscore. If you don't limit yourself to the big-name games, you'll see a lot of indie ones that are free or only a dollar, and some are very high quality. The trick is sorting through them to find the good ones.
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Additionally if you want a game but don't like the price watch it for a while, it might go on sale or maybe even free for a limited time.
Game developer Camoflaj, led by Metal Gear Solid 4 producer and Halo 4 creative director Ryan Payton, are making an awesome new game for mobile, and they are using Kickstarter to fund it. Take a look (check out the video!):
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/486250632/republique-by-camouflaj-logan
It looks to be the first truly promising "real game" for mobile.
Sadly, the game is currently announced for iOS only, but I backed it anyway. I noticed many backers in the comments asking for an Android version, so I emailed Ryan asking about it. Here's what he had to say:
"Thanks for the AWESOME email. I totally hear you regarding Android.
We definitely want the game on Android, it's just a matter of funding and resources for us. If funding goes well, it'll be a natural step for us to do an Android version. I sincerely want you to be able to play this game.
Thanks for writing in, my friend.
-rp"
So, if Android fans back this game and indicate that they want an Android version on day 1 in the project's comment section on Kickstarter, we will guarantee that this extremely promising game comes to Android.
This will also send a strong message that Android users are serious about games and are willing to pay good money for great games.
NSider said:
Sadly, the game is currently announced for iOS only, but I backed it anyway. I noticed many backers in the comments asking for an Android version, so I emailed Ryan asking about it. Here's what he had to say:
"Thanks for the AWESOME email. I totally hear you regarding Android.
We definitely want the game on Android, it's just a matter of funding and resources for us. If funding goes well, it'll be a natural step for us to do an Android version. I sincerely want you to be able to play this game.
Thanks for writing in, my friend.
-rp"
So, if Android fans back this game and indicate that they want an Android version on day 1 in the project's comment section on Kickstarter, we will guarantee that this extremely promising game comes to Android.
This will also send a strong message that Android users are serious about games and are willing to pay good money for great games.
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No offence m8 ...... i can tell that your all puppy pissing it's self excited about this revolutionary game.
But your talking garbage when you claim
"we will guarantee that this extremely promising game comes to Android."
The quote you posted from the developers DOES NOT say anything of the sort, all it makes is an extremely vague 'Aspiration' to bring the game to Android ........ to anyone with any real experience of corporate doublespeak all it actually says is 'if, maybe, could, we would like to'. Their concept blurb says NOTHING about Android at all
Also your title is completely misleading ....... the entire concept needs funding (which it won't get) just to bootstrap the iOS version, never mind Android. Pledging money at this stage gives not even the vaguest suggestion of supporting development of an Android version
I'd also like to point out that devs with a track record like these guys have really shouldn't need to use distributed participatory funding sources as they should be able to go direct to big games publishers and get all the funding they needed ....... if the idea is any good. Only reason i can logically put forth for using this type of fan based funding is to avoid being under the thumb of a publisher .. but these guys have enough industry weight to negotiate a hands off development funding deal anyway ...........
Further i can understand gamers getting all 'am involved in the dev industry' excited about this type of proposal, kids get excited about all kinds of crap. But the minimum bonus pledge is about twice the cost of a top price Mobile game, am not even going to comment on how much it costs to get awarded a hoody or a signed piece of junk from the devs.
What i would like to know (but really can't be arsed to research, as i really don't care enough) is what happens to the pledges when this proposal fails to achieve its minimum funding requirement .........
I'll state right here right now no way will they make $500,000 ...... if they do i will add a banner to my sig that says something like "République developers kicked my ass please support this project it is of galactic significance" for 6 months or something.
Being positive it does sound like an interesting game concept, somewhat like a hifi next gen version of the old early 3D Amiga game interphase, and i definitely like the "non-sexualized female lead" concept, can't help the sneaking suspicion that "non-sexualized female lead" is pretty naive though game kiddies love tits and ass ... fact.
If you want to support developers then choose to support genuine up and coming indies who genuinely need the support as they do not have a track record that can delivery serious industry funding.
I have an idea, that I imagine is not at all original. An idea that I have harbored for a long time now, but seems ever more important as the release of android gaming consoles become a reality.
I think that android needs "achievements" or trophies or accomplishments if you wanna be original. I'd love to see Google "certify" certain game titles (because crappy short easy games would ruin the system) and have each title have a max of 100 accomplishment points and perhaps even have gamer ID's like Xbox live. What do you guys think? I just knew my brother rents a lot of games he wouldn't otherwise play to get achievements and it seems like it could be a great thing for developers.