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Life after the cappy. Where to go from here.

So I know alot of people have started to think about their next phone after their cappys. I am going to guess most people are thinking about the same candidates I am. I"m lookin at the HTC Inspire, Moto Atrix, and Samsung Infuse.
The Atrix really seems to be the king of them in most specs, i just wish it had a bigger screen than 4". Plus I am still a lil confused about the whole dock thing with it and something costing 500 bucks and ATT "making" me pay for tethering also. I def dont want any of that. I dont mind paying a lil extra for 4G, thats if I actually get 4G speeds. I like the Infuse the best out of the 3 with the screen size and looks, but is it going to be the same regurgitated Samsung problems that most of us are having with our Cappys? I can handle a lil lag, but the poor GPS performance is a deal breaker.
So I am wondering what others are going to go to and why? Chime on in.

I think I'm going to be jumping ship and leaving AT&T entirely if I can talk my wife into it. I'm mostly waiting on MWC to end so I can see what other new phones will be released and on what carrier.

well, you know how the waiting game is with phones, if you wait, you'll be waiting forever. there is always something coming down the pipe.

I'm stuck with AT&T on two of my lines until mid 2012 anyway, so with the Death Star I have to stay. I'm leaning towards the Atrix, but am waiting for MWC as well. Even if the phone does have a locked boot loader, XDA will take care of that with a quickness... ;-)

despite some of its flaws i still can't believe how eager some people are to defect from the best overall phone out there especially when paired with the right rom.

Why did you have to start a new thread on this? There is one titled latest from att on the first page. Did you not see not one? please look around or search before starting a new thread. There are many threads already open on this topic.

I'm stuck with AT&T unless I want to carry multiple phones. They are the only ones that work in Europe. I looked at the all band Nokia but they are simply too expensive.
I want to stick with an Android phone for the simple reason that the community will improve on the standard issue crap. Will the boot loader on the Atrix be locked so as to prevent flashing custom stuff?

boborone said:
Why did you have to start a new thread on this? There is one titled latest from att on the first page. Did you not see not one? please look around or search before starting a new thread. There are many threads already open on this topic.
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none that had a survey attached to it to see a general consensus. now quit being a cry baby. i mean seriously, some of you ppl in here whine more than a lil school girl. if you dont like the thread, dont vote, shut up and move on.

I am trying to talk the wife into dumping the iPhone 3GS for the HTC Inspire 4G. She really like Google navigation and I think the $99 price may be a deal maker.
I am still in the 90 window on my refurbed Captivate, if I like the Inspire, I may start whining to see if I can get it as a replacement.

uhmump95 said:
I am trying to talk the wife into dumping the iPhone 3GS for the HTC Inspire 4G. She really like Google navigation and I think the $99 price may be a deal maker.
I am still in the 90 window on my refurbed Captivate, if I like the Inspire, I may start whining to see if I can get it as a replacement.
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yeah, that price is pretty shocking. nice attention getter

boborone said:
Why did you have to start a new thread on this? There is one titled latest from att on the first page. Did you not see not one? please look around or search before starting a new thread. There are many threads already open on this topic.
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Boborone for mod?!?

Thread closed, there are other threads with the same topic.

Google will not post a live link to android 2.3.3 because it's not out?

I think that the update/ota has not been pushed out yet. We are all just lab rats to test this update floating around XDA, so that when the update is pushed out two or three weeks from now, they can fix what we complain about until then. What do you all think?

Here is a link to Google forums I started about the sick color of the screen.
http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Google+Mobile/thread?tid=26fa0683976754c4&hl=en

jalyn02 said:
I think that the update/ota has not been pushed out yet. We are all just lab rats to test this update floating around XDA, so that when the update is pushed out two or three weeks from now, they can fix what we complain about until then. What do you all think?
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Google has not posted links to OTA's historically - so I don't see where that factors in.
I think you can take the fact that Google announced it was rolling out and that end user devices are receiving it (not just google employees and media units) to be a pretty good sign that it's the final OTA. As well as the fact that there are several upgrade paths provided.
On the Nexus One several "leaked" OTAs were available but they only went to google employees and media devices and provided only 1 upgrade path, from the base T-Mo version - and then only incremental upgrades for each version thereafter. The AT&T rev was left out in the cold until the final OTA at which point an OTA package was made available for every build to the final (including the leaked OTAs).
This isn't to say they won't release something in the coming weeks if they feel there are some real issues with the OTA, but given the way they've done OTAs in the past, this looks to be the OTA for 2.3.3

jalyn02 said:
I think that the update/ota has not been pushed out yet. We are all just lab rats to test this update floating around XDA, so that when the update is pushed out two or three weeks from now, they can fix what we complain about until then. What do you all think?
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I think this thread is unnecessary and you just like to complain.

There is a new link out now.so there are 3 different updates out floating around in forum
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Well that's your opinion. here's my opinion, I have had 6 unlocked android phones and each of them had issues the Vibrant/Nuxus One/Nexus S/Evo 4G/Mytouch 3G/T-Mobile G2...Did i mention that the only one that ever rebooted on me in important phone calls was the Nexus S. I'm sorry if I can't hold my breath anymore,I guess i'm not the only one because you just trolled/flamed 2 of my threads.
kenvan19 said:
I think this thread is unnecessary and you just like to complain.
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charlieb620 said:
There is a new link out now.so there are 3 different updates out floating around in forum
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whats the difference between them?

If that is the case, you bought a dev phone. Why would you be suprised?

Well, dev phones should not be sold to the public, and not sold for almost 600 big one's.
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If that is the case, you bought a dev phone. Why would you be suprised?
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jalyn02 said:
Well, dev phones should not be sold to the public, and not sold for almost 600 big one's.
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you had the choice,you chosen the nexus S.
google didnt force you!
every phone has isue's
doesn't matter what OS is on it.
so live with it.
and get 2.3.3!! it got fixed okey?
people like you are getting really irritating for advance nexus user's
accept the pakage you bought.
they didnt force you.

I am a nexus s owner and i am happy that the update has fixed my issues with the phone not being able to make calls for the first month i had it, i love the device and am relieved i got to keep it,
I do however find the comment above wholy unjustified, rude and ignorant!
Never once have i seen this branded as "the dev phone" the only place ive seen that mentioned is ...well ...on xda the DEVELOPER forum.
I love the phone, i love this site, but are retarded unempathic rants at people who have clearly been mis-sold a device not to their preference actually appropriate? i think not!
Lovely device, sooooo glad i didnt have to take it back (i spent the first month thinking i may have to do just that).
Now try be a little more kind to people that have bought a handset they expected to act as one from the start. there is no mention of dev or test phone on tha packaging so i am sure trading standards would side with the customer with problems rather than some jumped up little dev who thinks he knows best (that let's down all them lovely kind and considerate dev's in the proccess).
Rant over sorry (really hate seeing people be so obnocious)
Loving this lil device

[Q] Why do Samsung users care so much about the Sensation?

I cant understand why they come on here or every youtube video about the Sensation and post how their Sgs2 is better?! like who cares!?! We like a phone that isnt made out of plastic!!
Does it make them feel better about their purchase when they post stupid stuff..

Why do BMW, M-B, and Audi owners compare their cars? Both HTC and Samsung positioned the Sensation and the SGS2 as their "flagships" giving everyone the right to be critical. If you look at the SGS2 board, all's not perfect. I think everyone's just curious to see how the Sensation compares to both HTC's hype and other recently launched high-end phones.

in short yes... they are in every thread praising the almighty sgs2... but anyway this thread is irrelevant and should be deleted

Two awesome phones being released at the same time makes people in the market to buy consider both phones. When you do that, you consider all the specs to what you desire.
Both phones are great. The problem is once people decide which phone they prefer, they defend why they believe one phone is better than the other. It sparks debate, then at some point it gets childish when people start calling names, defending a manufacturer or condescend others for wanting one phone over the other.
Not to mention, once you shell out any amount of $$$ for something you have to justify it. If someone is saying it's not worth it, that may spark a bit of emotion if you like said product.
To me, it's more damaging than it does good. Everyone needs to agree to disagree or just be content with their purchases. If there are benefits of one phone over the other, then fine. Share information and let everyone decide what they want on their own. No need to call people "trolls" or "fanboys" because they prefer one device over the other. It's silly.

rameel said:
I cant understand why they come on here or every youtube video about the Sensation and post how their Sgs2 is better?! like who cares!?! We like a phone that isnt made out of plastic!!
Does it make them feel better about their purchase when they post stupid stuff..
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Respectfully, you can just say all Samsung guys come over posting that the GSII is better, because it's there are a fair share of HTC sensation users that do the same, simply because of what the below/above/PREVIOUS post said. Generally (from what I've seen on other forums) ONCE you get the device, whether it be Sensation or the GSII, you tend to lay off the forums because you "contempt" with whichever phone you went for, because they're both beauties.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure they put the Sensation down because they're trying to validate the purchase of the SG2. You have to admit, flaunting around your product, saying it's better, makes it seem better.

Who cares, Sammy just pist off htc release Sensation at the Same time as SGII. That's how bussiness is. Competitions..... Isn't great for us consumers? Plus im not dumb enough paying 750-800 for that plastic crap. Sensation 500 full retail and tons loads of dev.
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rameel said:
I cant understand why they come on here or every youtube video about the Sensation and post how their Sgs2 is better?! like who cares!?! We like a phone that isnt made out of plastic!!
Does it make them feel better about their purchase when they post stupid stuff..
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This -well-analyzed- behavior is called "Cognitive Dissonance" , and yes, it makes them feel better, even superior to do so. =D
so long, waiting for the sensation to come out unbranded on the market in germany.

Sgs 2 owner here, but loved my htc hero before this. Was checking out the sensation and evo 3d before I went for the sgs 2.
I liked all these phones equally, there really is not much between them that it really matters.
but sgs was released just as my upgrade come up.
Still very interested in the sensation and how people are finding it, so is why i come to this forum.
personally I believe I would of been just as happy with the sensation. looks a fantastic device that will be even nicer with a few patches/upgrades.

The SII is a much better offering but it still has huge, glaring weaknesses in my eyes. The cheap plastic casing is a turn off, I don't like the buttons or the hardware design whatsoever (I detest it so much I wouldn't even use a free SII) and the UI looks absolutely horrible. And those are mostly just the cosmetic flaws.
It does some things right but at the end of the day, if I somehow acquired that phone I'd sell it in favor of getting another dual core like the HTC Sensation or Evo 3D.

Lol another fanboy thread. I see plenty of HTC fanboys in the Samsung forum. Starting a whole thread about this as well? We all know the mods don't care either, or are in with the game. Sorry that the Sensation isn't getting the type of buzz that the GS2 is and this forum is way smaller, so people have nothing better to do than speculate and start ****. Dogs pushed into a corner will bark louder. Would be nice if all the fanboys just choked each other to death, but then again it is a HUMAN flaw.

silverwolf0 said:
Lol another fanboy thread. I see plenty of HTC fanboys in the Samsung forum. Starting a whole thread about this as well? We all know the mods don't care either, or are in with the game. Sorry that the Sensation isn't getting the type of buzz that the GS2 is and this forum is way smaller, so people have nothing better to do than speculate and start ****. Dogs pushed into a corner will bark louder. Would be nice if all the fanboys just choked each other to death, but then again it is a HUMAN flaw.
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One word: FAIL!!!
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Interesting. So, I would think Sensation users don't care/compare Samsung or other products. That would be my question to the OP and other users.
EDIT: Why do you (OP) care about what others do? This is a forum, people will post and visit anywhere they like. If you don't understand this very simple logic, you better not use internet.

epsix said:
Who cares, Sammy just pist off htc release Sensation at the Same time as SGII. That's how bussiness is. Competitions..... Isn't great for us consumers? Plus im not dumb enough paying 750-800 for that plastic crap. Sensation 500 full retail and tons loads of dev.
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Enjoy your locked bootloader
Nah just kidding, both phones are class, just my personal preference is the GS2.
Wish the GS2 was made out of the same premium materials that the Sensation is made out of though

Andy2.2 said:
Enjoy your locked bootloader
Nah just kidding, both phones are class, just my personal preference is the GS2.
Wish the GS2 was made out of the same premium materials that the Sensation is made out of though
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Don't we all!

Personally I spent about 3 weeks deciding between the SGS2 and the Sensation, both are obviously great products.
I must have read every review and comparison on the net.
In the end I chose the Sensation because I prefer the solid feel, HTC Sense, and I'll take resolution above screen brightness and vibrancy, but these are all matters of personal choice and I can understand why others would choose differently.
Each to their own and enjoy your phone whichever one you bought.

The SGS II fans are hoping more hackers get one so they'll get more support .
They also hope someone will port Sense 3.0 to the SGS II, but that's not going to happen .

Darnell_Chat_TN said:
The SGS II fans are hoping more hackers get one so they'll get more support .
They also hope someone will port Sense 3.0 to the SGS II, but that's not going to happen .
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+1 hahahaha, hey Sammy what did you do with your unlock bootloader? What kind of rom do you have?
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Darnell_Chat_TN said:
The SGS II fans are hoping more hackers get one so they'll get more support .
They also hope someone will port Sense 3.0 to the SGS II, but that's not going to happen .
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This goes against the objective of the thread. It's blasphemous to think about other products as per OP. You are not allowed to compare other products.
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What I am more worried about is why so less posts/threads about the product. The GS2 forum was filled with comments, complaints, discussion and the internet was filled with topics/reviews/analysis. Sensation on the opposite seems so quite. Everyone wants to know about the phone and I can't wait to read more.

rd_nest said:
What I am more worried about is why so less posts/threads about the product. The GS2 forum was filled with comments, complaints, discussion and the internet was filled with topics/reviews/analysis. Sensation on the opposite seems so quite. Everyone wants to know about the phone and I can't wait to read more.
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SGS II went on sale first. That's why.

Tired of the complaints.

It's a new phone. It will have issues. Get over it. I've never seen so many people complain about something. It is literally the best phone you can get right now. If it doesn't work for you get an iPhone. I love this phone even with the issues it has. They will be fixed. Sorry just my two cents.
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It still amazes me that people complain about a new device having issues. This is HTC's new flagship device which has been created from the ground up. It's the first generation of said flagship line and is bound to have issues. Guess no one here had a 2g iPhone. Sure it was amazing, but I also had its short comings.
I returned my HOX cause they didn't have any available for exchange. Going to buy one tomorrow from Walmart. Can't wait to get it back.
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Ddot196 said:
It's a new phone. It will have issues. Get over it. I've never seen so many people complain about something. It is literally the best phone you can get right now. If it doesn't work for you get an iPhone. I love this phone even with the issues it has. They will be fixed. Sorry just my two cents.
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I started a thread like this and it was closed in about 5 mins or less. It seems like complaining on here is the norm and not the exception. There are definitely some issues here and there...luckily for me, they don't affect me too much because of how I use the phone. Every phone I have had has had issues...best phone made period. Glad you're enjoying it.
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powerwagon said:
I started a thread like this and it was closed in about 5 mins or less. It seems like complaining on here is the norm and not the exception. There are definitely some issues here and there...luckily for me, they don't affect me too much because of how I use the phone. Every phone I have had has had issues...best phone made period. Glad you're enjoying it.
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I concur. It's ok to have threads like "Multitasking is a joke on this device", "Who else is returning their handsets?", "Disappointed w HTC QC" etc. but it's not ok to have a thread confronting the complainers. It's true that if you spend money on something and it has issues you're entitle to complain but srsly saying **** like "Im gonna return my HOX and buy an s3" is just plainly redundant. This phone is a complete new direction in manufacturing technology for HTC and the only thing I can chastise them for is the fact that they seem to rush it out, but I can totally understand that it has software/hardware issues. Instead of threatening to return and to buy from Samsung, why dont people just either do it and move on w their lives, or be patient and wait for a solution? Look at the screen flickering issue being incrementally solved as an example. Moreover, the S3 hasnt come out yet so stop it the comparing bs already. Werent the S and S2 plagued w issues upon launch as well?
Mini rant: Samsung hasnt changed their handset manufacturing or design since like forever (really I have a 2008 Samsung f480 or something and it looks reminiscent of the Galaxy line) so it's expected that their handset making process is more refined. It's not fair to compare an old-fashioned design w something as innovative looking as the HOX.

So, you are COMPLAINING about complainers? How is your topic any different from the rest? At least the topics where people complain about issues, helping raise an awareness of the problem, with a hope that the developers will fix them, while topics like this have absolutely no purpose whatsoever.

louis.b said:
"Multitasking is a joke on this device", "Who else is returning their handsets?", "Disappointed w HTC QC"
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The great news is that the SGS3 will be in people's hands in less than two weeks. If the launch goes like the i9100, and GN, the comparisons to "perfect" that we've been seeing will suddenly look pretty feeble. As they say, "he who laughs last, laughs best."
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[email protected] said:
So, you are COMPLAINING about complainers? How is your topic any different from the rest? At least the topics where people complain about issues, helping raise an awareness of the problem, with a hope that the developers will fix them, while topics like this have absolutely no purpose whatsoever.
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There's little constructive conversation in the complaint threads. No one's trying to put their heads together to clarify and resolve a problem. They are ***** fests. The multitasking thread is a great example. 2/3 of the posts are just "OMFG, this is inexcusable" pile ons. And anyone that dares say it isn't bothering them is squashed like a roach.

I agree people need to stop *****ing. Nobody forced u to buy the device. If u don't like it return it. Otherwise stop *****ing.
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Its a new phone thread. Give it 2 months and all the trolling complainers will be on to the next phone with an irrelevant quadrant score that is 10% better.

[email protected] said:
So, you are COMPLAINING about complainers? How is your topic any different from the rest? At least the topics where people complain about issues, helping raise an awareness of the problem, with a hope that the developers will fix them, while topics like this have absolutely no purpose whatsoever.
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Yep...65 pages of the same people threatening to take their phones back will definitely help raise awareness.
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powerwagon said:
I started a thread like this and it was closed in about 5 mins or less. It seems like complaining on here is the norm and not the exception. There are definitely some issues here and there...luckily for me, they don't affect me too much because of how I use the phone. Every phone I have had has had issues...best phone made period. Glad you're enjoying it.
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I agree. People can complain for 65 pages about a new phone, but if someone creates a thread about being tired about all the *****ing, it gets closed immediately. The reply by the Mod was condescending and rude, yet he allows other threads to continue. No surprise though, it's the XDA way.
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BarryH_GEG said:
There's little constructive conversation in the complaint threads. No one's trying to put their heads together to clarify and resolve a problem. They are ***** fests. The multitasking thread is a great example. 2/3 of the posts are just "OMFG, this is inexcusable" pile ons. And anyone that dares say it isn't bothering them is squashed like a roach.
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So, what are you proposing about that particular? We should all just shut up, go with the flow enjoy the broken phone? Seriously, one thing is complain about something minor, like theme colors, another is something that makes the phone virtually unusable. The more people complain about such things, the more the manufactures get aware of that, the more chances they gonna do something about. Maybe perhaps we should get another topic where people can vote if they like it or not the multitasking is working?
Topics like this on other hand, has no practical or any other usage. That's my point.

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Topics like this on other hand, has no practical or any other usage. That's my point.
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Actually, topics like this help to even out the discussion and see both sides of the story. A casual user would get the impression that the phone was garbage and no one likes it if all they read are complaints. It needs to be known that not everyone is complaining about the phone. The last thing anyone wants is a media blackout.
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Make a Complaint section?
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wbell1987 said:
It still amazes me that people complain about a new device having issues. This is HTC's new flagship device which has been created from the ground up. It's the first generation of said flagship line and is bound to have issues. Guess no one here had a 2g iPhone. Sure it was amazing, but I also had its short comings.
I returned my HOX cause they didn't have any available for exchange. Going to buy one tomorrow from Walmart. Can't wait to get it back.
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Seriously?
This is nothing like the first iphone. Android has been around a long time, Android 4.0 is like 7 months old. It's the same camera module from the year old SGS2.
What is so revolutionary? I like mine a lot, it's a slick phone, but it's not that groundbreaking.

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So, what are you proposing about that particular? We should all just shut up, go with the flow enjoy the broken phone?
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Both Samsung and HTC have designed their products to meet the needs of millions of people. Along the way there were bound to be compromises. If any of those compromises don't meet your needs, don't buy the phone. XDA probably represents at most 5% of the phone buying public. For 25% of the 5% to think they can band together and try to make multi-billion dollar companies bend to their wishes is pretty naive. So by all means, have at it but don't ridicule the people that see the futility in some of the complaining.
Some of the features of the navigation system in my car drive me crazy and other members of its forum agree. It would be laughable for a small group of us to flame the manufacturer expecting them to revise the system because we don't like it. But yet, here on XDA, that's a pretty much daily occurrence. I don't like the way the automatic soap dispenser works on my dishwasher. Maybe I should gather up a group of fellow disgruntled owners and spam the manufacturer's Facebook page demanding they change it. If you want to send a message to a manufacturer stop buying their products. That'll get their attention a lot quicker than #neveragain campaigns. The GPS on the SGS (i9000) was in fact with no debate FUBAR. Owners launched the largest social campaign I've ever seen trying to get Samsung to fix it. Samsung never responded. They and Apple now share 90% of mobile device profits. Oh well, so much for that.
I don't know what you guys do for a living but decisions at large companies aren't emotional; they're statistically and financially driven. In cases like Asus and HTC unlocking their bootloaders it wasn't the rallying of the 25% of the 5% that made them rethink their policies. They were probably on the fence to begin with and the positive PR and low financial impact is what got them to change position. A device can easily meet the manufacturers financial objectives even if the entire XDA universe boycotted it. We're described as "enthusiasts" and make up a small but vocal part of the phone buying universe.
HTC's now on record saying multitasking is working as designed. Everyone here is still in their remorse period. You have two choices: 1) return the phone, 2) keep it and hope that since this is now on HTC's radar maybe there may be some future improvement. Option 3, which a lot of people seem to be taking, keeping the phone and *****ing among themselves isn't going to change how multitasking works.
Things like petitions and posting on social sites are fine. They are ways of communicating with the manufacturers and letting them know how some of their customers feel about their decisions. But as with everything, there's a time to call it a day and move on. This isn't a civil rights fight; we're talking about features on a phone. And of our "issues" probably 10% would even be noticed by the phone buying public in general.

BarryH_GEG said:
Both Samsung and HTC have designed their products to meet the needs of millions of people. Along the way there were bound to be compromises. If any of those compromises don't meet your needs, don't buy the phone.
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The problem here is none of such compromises are publicly available for users to weight their decision with, none of the reviews have mention such crucial flaws, they have some cons about colors in photos or phone being too wide, but nothing that would greatly affect user's experience with phone's usage. Customers will have to experience it themselves, which means they will have to buy it first. (for example LG Nitro HD has defective hardware compass and the only way to know about it to experience it yourself, because nobody is talking about)
In this particular case with multitasking, the only people who's not getting affected by it are the same people who shouldn't buy such phone in the first place, since they just wasting money on something they don't use to it's full potentials.
Also, the same logic as "don't like it, don't buy it" can be applied to the OP complaining about the complainers - don't like it, don't read it, move along. But, it's just does not work in our imperfect world...

[email protected] said:
it's just does not work in our imperfect world...
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On this, you and I totally agree. Part of what makes XDA fun (for me) is the difference of opinion. It's interesting to see what's important to people and how everyone uses their device differently. The battles always start when smart, knowledgeble, strong-willed people all try to get each other to agree. And I've never seen that happen here or anywhere else.

Imagine I'm making a thread like "Who else is not returning their HOX and dont give a **** about the Samsung Plasticky s3". Pretty sure it will be closed so quick my chair still doesnt get warm yet.

ECEXCURSION said:
Actually, topics like this help to even out the discussion and see both sides of the story. A casual user would get the impression that the phone was garbage and no one likes it if all they read are complaints. It needs to be known that not everyone is complaining about the phone. The last thing anyone wants is a media blackout.
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No i think what is being said is that these threads dont help other users, they just are meant as a knee-jerk reaction to complaints threads. If you want to do what you are suggesting in your post, then you should start a thread along the lines of "I love this phone and here's why", not "tired of the complaints." That's just a complaint about complaining, plain and simple.

I also started a thread speaking of my problems with the one X and I got a bunch of people whining about my whining which I don't understand. And the point of the thread was not intended to go that route. Anyways I guess alot has changed here in XDA.
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[Q] Droid DNA has source already? Wow.

There's already kernel source available for the DNA? Does this just fully confirm that all the delays in the HOX's OS updates, source release, unlocking, etc., are all the complete fault of AT&T? I know the SGS3 had source basically immediately, too, but still. Not trying to be snarky, but actually asking for opinions. Unfortunately I can't mod my phone much due to corporate restrictions from my company, so I'm forced to maintain a little interest in the actual OTAs and carrier involvement.

sorry, dont kill me, this isn't really a "question" in the General forum, just meant to start more of a discussion.

No, the One x+ released with jellybean before we ever got jelly bean, so they were up in line before us.
They typically have a month to release source once they release the software to the public.
Source is all up to HTC and they always took their time, its just a simple fact you have to get used too.
Don't be offended that this will get closed soon, its not really a good topic for discussion because it almost always turns into bashing and flaming because people start pointing fingers at the carriers or manufacturer's.
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right, but we didnt get source for months. the DNA is HTC and just came out and already has source. and there's still no source for the HOX+ on ATT, but there is for O2 and in Asia.

I miss read your post and I'll elaborate further when I get a chance
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superchilpil said:
Keep in mind that we haven't had a official release of jellybean for att.
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Right, I guess that's really what I'm getting at. It just seems like ATT is the bottle neck for all of the wait. I haven't been very active on the forums for a couple of months, but previously there was a lot of angst towards HTC for how long it took them to provide source, which was for an older version of the software when it did actually hit. However, when HTC and other carriers are able to produce source almost instantly after a phone's release, I just start to wonder at which point we can really look to AT&T for all the frustrations caused with essentially having a flagship be abandoned within a few months. Should I just expect this treatment is going to be the norm from now on?

superchilpil said:
I miss read your post and I'll elaborate further when I get a chance
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Cool, no worries.

The reason why the droid DNA has source already is because its counterpart the HTC j butterfly was released well before the DNA and even before the HOX+
So that's why source is out already because it was released before
The international version will always get updates/source before anything else.
I believe there are less restrictions
And american branded phones will always get them last because of the many restrictions we have here either due to patents or restrictions via carriers
Its just how it is, and HTC likes to take their time.
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The HTC one xl aka AT&T one x is not an American branded phone or exclusive to America or anything special or different to any other phone.
AT&T are just one of the many carriers that sell the phones. The jb update has landed on other carriers prior to AT&T and kernel for that has not come yet either.
At&t have zero to do with any release or source things with this phone. They are just a another carrier.
Othen than iPhone, mobile phones always only had a few months at the top before a new flagship landed. Htc, samsung, Nokia, etc have long been prolific with releases to try to one up or at least equal each other to encourage upgrades and stay fresh. HTC one xl is still on sale and considered a high end phone on lte carriers. Just it is nearing 12 months old and that isn't fresh in the technology world.
I am at a loss for why so many users here are so desperate for AT&T to seem remotely important regarding any particulars with this phone.
No one cares you spent all of your money on a phone to be cool and now feel ripped off because others own the next best thing. Now you understand the life cycle of technology, consider it a life lesson for things like tv's, cars, fridges, coffee machines, and everything else adults own.

twistedddx said:
The HTC one xl aka AT&T one x is not an American branded phone or exclusive to America or anything special or different to any other phone.
AT&T are just one of the many carriers that sell the phones. The jb update has landed on other carriers prior to AT&T and kernel for that has not come yet either.
At&t have zero to do with any release or source things with this phone. They are just a another carrier.
Othen than iPhone, mobile phones always only had a few months at the top before a new flagship landed. Htc, samsung, Nokia, etc have long been prolific with releases to try to one up or at least equal each other to encourage upgrades and stay fresh. HTC one xl is still on sale and considered a high end phone on lte carriers. Just it is nearing 12 months old and that isn't fresh in the technology world.
I am at a loss for why so many users here are so desperate for AT&T to seem remotely important regarding any particulars with this phone.
No one cares you spent all of your money on a phone to be cool and now feel ripped off because others own the next best thing. Now you understand the life cycle of technology, consider it a life lesson for things like tv's, cars, fridges, coffee machines, and everything else adults own.
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The only lesson to learn is to never buy an HTC product on AT&T.

n19htmare said:
The only lesson to learn is to never buy an HTC product on AT&T.
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That's quite an immature reply... What are you so butthurt about? Go switch to Verizon and tell me how you like their customer service..
And Verizon takes longer for updates usually...hopefully you're not an adult to put out a response like that...

omario8484 said:
That's quite an immature reply... What are you so butthurt about? Go switch to Verizon and tell me how you like their customer service..
And Verizon takes longer for updates usually...hopefully you're not an adult to put out a response like that...
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He's right, Verizon is horrible with updates
Glad I switched!
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Verizon lacks Google wallet does it not and also has issues with locked bootloaders and late updates.

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Verizon lacks Google wallet does it not and also has issues with locked bootloaders and late updates.
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AT&T also lacks Google wallet.
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well i wasn't trying to start a flamefest, but apparently this is turning into an engadget-esque thread pretty quickly. the basis of my original post was that i was under the impression that the int'l One XLs had source before we did, but I really couldn't recall. I just thought it was interesting that our ATT HOX had to wait so long for source and the DNA basically dropped with it.
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I am at a loss for why so many users here are so desperate for AT&T to seem remotely important regarding any particulars with this phone.
No one cares you spent all of your money on a phone to be cool and now feel ripped off because others own the next best thing. Now you understand the life cycle of technology, consider it a life lesson for things like tv's, cars, fridges, coffee machines, and everything else adults own.
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thanks for taking this one way beyond unreasonable. I'm not complaining about JB or lack thereof, and I can fully assure you that I comprehend the life cycles of technology. Based on your response, I'm guessing you're either an immature HS senior or a disgruntled 35yr old former best buy employee. Regardless, if you want to criticize me for simply looking for clarification or an opinion, then that's your problem. However, the best way to talk about "everything else adults own" is to actually give the slightest impression that you are an adult. Thanks for absolutely zero contribution to this thread, and probably the forums in general.

superchilpil said:
The reason why the droid DNA has source already is because its counterpart the HTC j butterfly was released well before the DNA and even before the HOX+
So that's why source is out already because it was released before
The international version will always get updates/source before anything else.
I believe there are less restrictions
And american branded phones will always get them last because of the many restrictions we have here either due to patents or restrictions via carriers
Its just how it is, and HTC likes to take their time.
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Thanks, I didn't realize the DNA and Butterfly were so closely tied in terms of final hardware/software. Yes, the American carriers take forever to get anything through to their devices. And yes, HTC never seems to be rushing to get anything done, and with the host of delays throughout the life cylce of this HOX, I'm not sure why I'm holding my breath. Maybe it's because I really do love this phone and wish it could have been treated the way it was billed at release. I just wish I didn't have corporate restrictions and had the freedom to mod this thing like I did my old Atrix.

fitchpuckman said:
under the impression that the int'l One XLs had source before we did, but I really couldn't recall.
I'm guessing you're either an immature HS senior or a disgruntled 35yr old former best buy employee.
However, the best way to talk about "everything else adults own" is to actually give the slightest impression that you are an adult
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The international One XL did not get kernel source in a more timely manner, they are getting it at the same time.
As for flaming, I made no personal attacks towards you but you did towards me?
I am not a HS senior or a disgruntled best buys employee, I am an adult however.
You asked for opinion and I gave you mine, which is that there is a common vibe from the AT&T One X users(including you) that AT&T is the reason for late kernel drops and lateness in software releases. I am pointing out that in my opinion neither are related to AT&T.
Many users also are complaining/disgruntled that the AT&T One X was dropped as the flagship.
Eg you:
"look to AT&T for all the frustrations caused with essentially having a flagship be abandoned within a few months"
Once again in my opinion it was dropped in a similar time frame to any phone getting dropped by any carrier or brand.
I gave 3 opinions about 3 direct things you asked for opinions on.
-kernel source
-release rate
-flagship status
You asked for opinions, I gave mine.
In reply you attempted to personally flamed me. You do not seem to forum well.

twistedddx said:
The international One XL did not get kernel source in a more timely manner, they are getting it at the same time.
As for flaming, I made no personal attacks towards you but you did towards me?
I am not a HS senior or a disgruntled best buys employee, I am an adult however.
You asked for opinion and I gave you mine, which is that there is a common vibe from the AT&T One X users(including you) that AT&T is the reason for late kernel drops and lateness in software releases. I am pointing out that in my opinion neither are related to AT&T.
Many users also are complaining/disgruntled that the AT&T One X was dropped as the flagship.
Eg you:
"look to AT&T for all the frustrations caused with essentially having a flagship be abandoned within a few months"
Once again in my opinion it was dropped in a similar time frame to any phone getting dropped by any carrier or brand.
I gave 3 opinions about 3 direct things you asked for opinions on.
-kernel source
-release rate
-flagship status
You asked for opinions, I gave mine.
In reply you attempted to personally flamed me. You do not seem to forum well.
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The One X (Int'l) got source (~1mo from release, only a few weks for some countries)) two times faster than the ATT One X/XL (just under 2 months after release). I know it's picky, but I'm simply saying.
Now, please go back and read my original comments and stop taking portions of my words out of context.
And I didnt say you were flaming me, I just said this was turning into a flamefest. Yes, I participated at that point, which makes me no better than I called out, I suppose.
Regardless, I started this thread just looking for thoughts regarding the DNA and the timeliness of it's source code release on Verizon, and how that relates to ATT dragging its feet with most devices that aren't it's one carrier 'flagship' phone (at this point, i think the SGS3). If you think this has nothign to do with ATT, then that's fine; that's was I was asking not telling. I wasn't here complaining, I was here discussing. Am I thrilled with ATT right now? Of course not, but this didn't start as a whiny rant, and I'd prefer it didn't end that way. I appreciate the opinions you've shared, but I think some were a little misguided in nature.

fitchpuckman said:
The One X (Int'l) got source (~1mo from release, only a few weks for some countries)) two times faster than the ATT One X/XL (just under 2 months after release)..
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You had mentioned the International One XL in particular not the International One X. The One XL in all regions had source dropped at about the same time.
The International One X is an entirely unrelated phone.
h8rift said his personal feeling was HTC release source based on sales.
This translates to:
It appears there is a constant backlog of devices waiting for source to be released in general and the backlog is cleared on a priority basis.
The higher the sales of a phone the higher the priority, with a "once it hits 90 days the device always gets high priority" catchall.
Devices such as the International One X and One S have massive sales and see the source released first. They are available in nearly all markets and are slightly cheaper so sell well.
Phones with less sales such as One XL take longer, typically the full 90 days.
DroidDNA was a side effect of the phone was already available for a long time in another region. It has already waited in line.
Perhaps people can be upset if AT&T keep taking the more uncommon models such as the new AT&T One X+ versus the normal International One X+. If the phone inst generally available everywhere the sales will be less and that means lower priority for updates and source.
But I think AT&T are just an early adopter in the world with LTE so for the next year or so they with Rogers, Telus, Singtel, Telstra, Vodafone, O2 will keep ending up with flagship models that are less common than they could otherwise be and it is not really their fault for being bleeding edge?

twistedddx said:
You had mentioned the International One XL in particular not the International One X. The One XL in all regions had source dropped at about the same time.
The International One X is an entirely unrelated phone.
But I think AT&T are just an early adopter in the world with LTE so for the next year or so they with Rogers, Telus, Singtel, Telstra, Vodafone, O2 will keep ending up with flagship models that are less common than they could otherwise be and it is not really their fault for being bleeding edge?
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my mistake, I was misremembering the releases and mixing up the LTE vs hspa versions.
Out make an interesting point about ATT (and other similar carriers) being a sort of early adopter, at least in terms of network technology. I had always stuck with them due to the GSM networks while others continued to build around the CDMA. Network speeds made this an easy decision, as did the crap battery life that folks at Verizon and Sprint had to deal with due to early LTE phones being stuck with two radios. But you are right that ATT deserves some slack for having been a little ahead of the curve in terms of this, and that does put them at a disadvantage in terms of having access to a more common/standard build of software for its phones.
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